Mafia 83 - Game Ended Scum Win!

[qwints]

So that we can judge your opinions against what we learn with the lynch and from the nk, obviously.

Since you have been so quiet, we have very little posts from you to compare with the information we've gained. Thus we need content from you that we can analyze later.

[XReyoX]

Vote Count

Hascow (1): Panzerjager
Panzerjager (4): qwints, Xtoxm, Jebus, Bionicchop2

Not voting (4): Killa Seven, Hasdgfas, Reclusion, chazworthington

9 alive, 5 votes to lynch

[hasdgfas]

Guys, I think voting Panzer for pressure is fine, but we already have a dead mafia RB. Unless you think Panzer is lying about his claim in some way, we shouldn't lynch him.

[Xtoxm]

...Have you not been following..?

[hasdgfas]

...Have you not been following..?

yes, I've been following. I don't like a Panzer lynch for a couple reasons:
A) His actions today make sense with claiming he targeted me, especially since it's Panzer.
B) We have a dead mafia RB. I don't think we have two anti-town blocking roles and I think he is what he claimed.
C) He hasn't come back to defend himself yet. He needs to do that.

[Xtoxm]

What do you make of the night-actions?

[hasdgfas]

What do you make of the night-actions?

Panzers? What about them?

[Xtoxm]

You're not paying attention.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 17#1319217

He said this after Panzer claimed to know what his role did N1.

[bionicchop2]

...Have you not been following..?

yes, I've been following. I don't like a Panzer lynch for a couple reasons:
A) His actions today make sense with claiming he targeted me, especially since it's Panzer.
B) We have a dead mafia RB. I don't think we have two anti-town blocking roles and I think he is what he claimed.
C) He hasn't come back to defend himself yet. He needs to do that.

We are waiting for him to come in and talk. That is the point. We also don't even know if the town has a RB. I initial assumed we would and I also assumed he would know the actions of his predecessor. The last part was proven incorrect by the mod, which brings the whole claim into question. Seems risky for scum to fake claim and try to out any town RB since 1 scum is already dead, but you never know. I have also played recently with a traitor in the game where it would benefit them to risk their own life to out a role for the mafia.

Your point B makes it sound like he has to be a RB - either pro or anti-town. There is always the possibility he is either.

My vote will likely be removed if he shows up and can clarify some of the current confusion about his knowledge of past targets.

[Xtoxm]

Well, I can't see a way it works.

[hasdgfas]

You're not paying attention.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 17#1319217

He said this after Panzer claimed to know what his role did N1.

and? I see a way it doesn't make a difference. I want Panzer to come in and post before making a decision.

[qwints]

I think everyone agrees that we shouldn't have a hammer until Panzer speaks, but that's where the pressure belongs.

[chazworthington]

Given the vote count, I am fine with hammering. Before I do, I want to hear from K7 and what he thinks of the remaining players. I think it's very important for the town to get this info before N3.

what players exactly? and why is it so important..

qwints's post 550 spells out exactly why I asked this.

Regarding panzer, I will hold off hammering to see if he explains himself.

[XReyoX]

Panzerjager has been prodded.

[qwints]

panzer hasn't posted since Monday ...

[Jebus]

And problems arise from this -.-

Since we need Panzer specifically to answer this :s

Should we postpone our go on Panzer and go after someone else in the meantime? I fell Chaz may be a trustworthy person at this certain moment, so let's start there.
Chaz's alignment possibility:
1)Mafia (assuming mafia did not kill night one)
2)Town (If mafia attempted kill night one)
3)3rd Party (If mafia attempted kill night one)

It's statistically more likely that it's the second or third one. That, and I doubt the mafia could afford to not kill.

If Chaz is town, or third party, the goal would still be to lynch mafia, as Chaz said earlier.

Chaz said Mana and Cow on page 19 looked suspicious. I prefer Cow. Any thoughts?

[Jebus]

Yeesh, we're two days from deadline. Don't unvote so we can at least lynch Panzer should we hit deadline with nothing decisive :S

[Xtoxm]

Finding it hard to see Panzer as town right now.

[chazworthington]

B) We have a dead mafia RB. I don't think we have two anti-town blocking roles and I think he is what he claimed.

Why do you believe his claim? Between Yaw making a last minute push for Jebus over Netman D1 then Panser disappearing in this game after SSK's statement, I think there is a pretty good chance he is scum. He's posted in other games after that statement.

I am still waiting to hear from him at the request of the town.

[chazworthington]

Should we postpone our go on Panzer and go after someone else in the meantime? I fell Chaz may be a trustworthy person at this certain moment.....Chaz said Mana and Cow on page 19 looked suspicious. I prefer Cow. Any thoughts?

My comments on Mana and cow were mostly related to how Yaw was treating them D1. I liked mana better because of the fluff. This was before BC replaced in.

I don't think I see a better case for a lynch today than Panser. But while we wait for him, can you tell me why you like cow other than the fact he was one of two players I mentioned a few pages ago?

[Jebus]

Because of the case I made against him way back, supported heavily by that, I guess.

[hasdgfas]

B) We have a dead mafia RB. I don't think we have two anti-town blocking roles and I think he is what he claimed.

Why do you believe his claim?

Between Yaw making a last minute push for Jebus over Netman D1 then Panser disappearing in this game after SSK's statement, I think there is a pretty good chance he is scum. He's posted in other games after that statement.

I am still waiting to hear from him at the request of the town.

I know Panzer pretty well. I've modded him in two games and I talk to him out-of-game about stuff too. His actions make sense to me as a roleblocker with what I know of him.

[PJ.]

Unvote vote:Panzer

[PJ.]

Self Hammer came for several reasons.

1)To lazy to go back and answer the questions/ lack of motivaion/ in crease in life drama
2) Forcing a replacement so close to deadline with 4 votes is silly and very unfair to the replacement
3) Mod made it look like I contradicted Him
4) Other various modding errors.

None of which were made by Reyo of course. I <3 Reyo.

[qwints]

Lame, panzer.
Just lame.