Mini 660 - Star Trek: DS9 Mafia (Ruined = Over)

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*squeal*

Bah!

Vote: td

for beating me to the first post!

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Tim had it coming...

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Hey guys can we not reveal any spoilers from the show? Like I've seen upto season 6 but not season 7. Already know Jadzea (spelled right?) dies or something or is replaced.

Anyone sign up who ISNT a fan of the show?

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Vote: timeater for asking to not reveal any spoilers.....and then goes and reveals a spoiler himself!

What are you DOING man? =D

>.< Oops! Sorryzorz

I'm guessing there is going to be alot of speculating about character roles meshing with the canon in this game, which will be fun. I wonder how deep Delibird dived into show? Also, can we trust him as a proper interpreter? Personally I have good idea on what characters will be scum and which will not be.

Whats up with Zone's gibberish?

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Nudude voted for me

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lol

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*waits for the obligatory random stage to end*

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Basically its long-term planning and leaving "clues" and "indicators" of your role and your possible action. Its pretty standard for townie players to go back and point out their breadcrumbs when faced with a lynch. Good scum players will always try to breadcrumb.

Watching the finale of season 6 and the first few episodes of 7...

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Martok martok I know that name...Oh the klingon general (Bwuahah I didnt even have to google it - Liam you refrencing those few episodes where shapeshifters, er changelings were impersonating bashir and martok? )

@Jebus

Is that some random bandwagoning I see thar?

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It's also possible it could be Worf *shifty eyes*

Generally not a good idea to give scum ideas about possible townie roles d1.

I'm done with random Pie... time to move on to the one running up a random bandwagon.

He's not really running it, he just tried to hop on it... I think he's just a bit overeager. The fact that he said "I deserve to die" is kind of a WTF though. Lets see where this goes.

unvote
Vote: Jebus

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So, everyone has posted so far except Light-Kun. Anyone hear from him?

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Wish this thread was more active, its my only current game >.<

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Why is Jebus a little anime girl. o.o

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...Ughhhhhh...

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I think we're beyond the random stage.

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Zone what translator are you using? URL plz

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Think that translator is defective -_-

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Soooo..... Daystart was weird, guess thats pretty customary with minithemes though. Usually in situations like I'll take charge and start a conversation going, pouncing on any little thing that might be considered bad town play.

Zone, you've been pretty critical of Jebus but you've witheld your vote. Any reasoning for that? I'm all for pushing for a claim (I'm a big claim pusher). Or multiple claims until we find one we dont like (which is what it boils down to most of the time -_-)

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So...

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Yeah, Jebus playing the "oopsiedaysies I'm just a newb so pwease dont get angwy at me if I act scummy" bit is getting kind of annoying. Whats that, three scum strikes? Personally I'm used to playing speedgames so I'm tempted to rush into things and urge people to vote. I mean right now the Jebus vote is as about as solid as you're gonna get at this stage, and it'll get people talking.

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That depends. But probably, yes. Most setups inform the mafia of their fellow scum partners. They wont be informed of an SK.

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I really think you're just trying to rationalize blatant scum mistakes. I mean I could be wrong fo sho', but I think you warrant some votes and a possible claim.

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I disagree with that.

I think if there are changelings, they will have an active ability to morph into someone assuming their role, maybe directing night actions around or something (also possibly appearing innocent to cops). Finding the changeling is going to be very hard but I dont think it should breed an atmosphere of extreme extreme paranoia where we're all thinking everyone else is a changeling. From a logical standpoint, I think we just have to accept that there are changelings but not let it interfere with

every single point made about a possible character role

.

If that makes any sense.

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Why do I have votes again? Just yay random votes? -_-

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lol Sekin.

I have the biggest post count in the thread so far

, I'm used to people bandwagoning and jumping to conclusions about me d1. Originally I wanted to tone down my hyper-aggressiveness (just read some of my other threads) for this game but eh. Spade is a spade. Yes, it is premature - you have no idea what my playstyle is like. Frankly I see your attack on me as basically bandwagoning, because all the other votes on me are random.

FoS sekinj

Let me explain what happens day 1 to the uninitiated. Through randomness or a case built on shady logic (or an obvious scum blunder), a person is elevated to 2-1 votes away from lynch. Said person claims or halfclaims in hopes of bringing the heat off him. If the claim is good, the votes will dissapate. If the claim is bad, hammertime. Thats what I meant by "lets see where this goes". I'm sorry for posting alot and trying to be helpful?

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Roleclaims are apart of the game. I'm not suggesting a massclaim d1 or anything (although I think Liam did? Minor FoS on him for that). I'm just STATING that roleclaiming is apart of the game and will be necessary at a point. Yeesh!

Zone where the eyeofnewt are you? -_-

Also poking:

td
firestarter
frelaras

Post people!

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Fos: Tim for slapping down the claim idea without actually discussing it. I hadn't thought about the fact that some of our players won't know all the characters though L-K, good point. I wasn't gonna push for it or anything, but I'm happier not claiming now.

Dude no one was asking you to claim I'm boggled as to how you got that idea. As for not discussing, I dont see what I havent been discussing.

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-_-

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bump for justice

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This thread deserves more activity, mod, can we get a vote count?

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this thread deserves the bloody death of jebus

PHASERS MAXIMUM SETTING VAPORIZE ZONEACE

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It was a joke obviously...

You sir, are the idiot o.O

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Spoilers! (I think I'm the only one who cares? lol)

So you're one of THOSE. Starfleet doesnt vaporize btw. Completely hypothesizing here, but I'm guessing there is only one daykill in the setup, and that belongs to Gol Ducat = scum. He killed

Jadzea Dax

in cold blood and of season 6. Well, the pah-wraith kinda did too. Anyways. I misread what you were saying earlier anyway, I thought you were saying the thread deserved death, like you were insulting the thread, missed the fact that you were talking about jebus.

Just wish the thread would pick up some steam...

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Count please?

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Soooo, Jebus, anything to say?

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Interesting, very interesting, need to think about this.

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His role does make sense, flavor-wise. Vic is very personable and knows everything about everybody. He's sort of like a conselor before Ezri shows up. He even helped Odo. Vic is also supposed to be a super-advanced holo-program who is aware of his own condition, which makes him unique. Granted, it would be a convient role for scum to claim, because while it is not eminent, its not really an obvious scum threat, like townie, and wont have to explain himself if he survives a few turns.

I'm guessing Jebus has yet to track anyone, because its probably a night action. Not sure how the role would work, maybe something like a hobo. Like "so and so was at the klingon resturant, or I hear so and so was at garak's tailor shop".

I'm going to caution an unvote on Jebus for now, because he might be useful for hunting down changelings (hopefully there is only one) and cardassians.

Unvote

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edwop: Granted, it would be a convient role for scum to claim, because while it is not eminent, its not really an obvious scum threat, like doc or cop*, and wont have to explain himself if he survives a few turns.

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If I remember correctly Vic has access to the stations systems outside of his holo-program. Let me see if I can find the canon source.

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I think his station monitoring capabilities are mentioned in the season 6 episode,

His Way

You can watch it here:

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v369089YyqHp ... Watch=true

Vic Fontaine was a holographic singer who was part of a program which simulated 1962 Las Vegas, Earth. He was a lounge singer who ran a nightclub in the city of Las Vegas. He was modeled after entertainers such as Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin, and had a repertoire of swing-era songs that he performed with his band. Vic was designed by Felix to be fully interactive with the program's participants and was even aware of his holographic existence. Felix programmed Fontaine to be self-aware. Fontaine was so sophisticated that he was able to turn himself on and off. Fontaine was programmed to be highly perceptive of human nature and in that capacity proved to be a valuable mentor to many residents of DS9. Felix gave the program to his friend, Dr. Julian Bashir of Deep Space 9, who installed it in one of the station's holosuites at Quark's.

Life on Deep Space 9

Because he was so advanced, the station crew began to think of Vic as a real person. He helped Odo with his attempts to win the love of Kira Nerys. Odo asked Vic for a little romantic advice in winning over Kira. Fontaine turned Odo into a tuxedo-clad piano player and invited a pair of beautiful holo-showgirls so that Odo could practice being at ease around women. Vic played matchmaker, told Kira about Odo's feelings, and arranged a date for them in his nightclub. Vic's advice and matchmaking paid off, and the two fell in love. (DS9: "His Way")

After Ensign Nog lost his leg on AR-558, he struggled, both emotionally and physically, to cope with his disability, even though his new biosynthetic leg worked perfectly. Nog decided to take his medical leave in the Vic Fontaine holoprogram. At one point, Nog's sensitivity about his handicap erupted, and he punched Jake who had come to the lounge on a date prompting Vic to order Nog out of the club. Around that time, Nog had become Vic's personal accountant. Profits rose, but Vic realized that Nog was using the program to avoid reality, and prodded Nog to return to life aboard DS9. Vic abruptly ended the program, and Nog was unable to reactivate the program. When Vic reactivated the program, he was able to convince Nog to return to the real world. In exchange, Nog arranged for Vic's program to stay online continuously, enabling Vic to experience something close to real life. (DS9: "It's Only a Paper Moon")

In 2375, a jack-in-the-box was activated in Vic's program. The unexpected plot development was part of the program originally designed by Felix. Vic was fired from his lounge as the mob took over his business. The crew of Deep Space 9 joined Vic and helped him regain his position. But it had to be done in a way that was period specific to the program. As such they devised a con game that got rid of the mobsters and restored the hologram to the way it was before. (DS9: "Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang")

Vic put on a special concert for the command crew of Deep Space 9 after the end of the Dominion War. It was the last time they were all together before many took new assignments after the war. (DS9: "What You Leave Behind")

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He doesn't -NEED- to leave the holosuits.

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OH MY GOD CAPS LOCKS JUST MAKES YOU GET ACROSS A POINT SO MUCH BETTER. (not)

Anyways, I'm content _for now_ to lay off Jebus and start thinking about other people. Zone, it sounds to me like a weaker townie support role that channelbird just threw in there because he was running out of real characters to setup roles for. Tracker can be useful, but is by no means a cop or a doc. It fits for me. Jebus, feel free to interject anytime.

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So does mine.

Its DS9 Mafia people, of course the happenings are taking place on the station.

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Quit it with the caps dude, and take a Xanax or something... for christsakes, god. Vic is a prominent pro-starfleet & pro-cast figure. We dont have to be in the holosuit for him to track. Vic knows the ins and outs of the station and all its inhabitants. He's not your average program. If anything, he's like the doctor from voyager but without the mobile emitter. Have you even watched the show? Do you know what Vic is like? And Jebus hasnt even been that clear on how he tracks. Maybe he doesn't know because its d1!

I'm willing to let Jebus slide today because I dont want to risk lynching a potential tracker. I see no glaring flaws in his claim. Neither should you. Wait wait..... Dude I just realized, you're probably right. There are 10 MAIN PRO-STARFLEET(Good-guys) CHARACTERS ON THE SHOW. TEN! 9, if you want to get semanticy-ish. Now, why, when you have 9 MAIN CHARACTERS, would you add VIC FONTAINE to the lineup. Yeah that just doesn't make sense. Very convient scum claim too.

Vote: Jebus

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Dear ZONEACE,

Quit being such a bitch.

- sincerly, everyone

Screaming at people in all caps and then insulting them generally doesn't help in getting your point across. You're not some all-knowing mafia master. So far, every time you pontificate you do it irritatingly and dont do a very good job at getting your points across.

Anyway, like I said. After realizing the amount of main recurring characters, and the probable amount of scum, I think its unlikely that delibird would include Vic in the town lineup (unless he has a hardon for vic, hey). Also, if you take into account the amount of other cooler and more popular minor recurring characters (Nog, Rom, Garak, etc) I just dont see Vic factoring into a mini-game. So thats my reason for staying with the Jebus vote, just to pound it home.

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And @Tim: Where does it say there are nine main characters?

WIFOM. I would be tempted to just go out and say who the nine main characters are, but please, how noob do you think I am? Honestly, anyone can find this out with just a little bit of research and effort. Not going to be helping any scum claims.

Anyway, I can see the point some of you have made that Delibird intentionally put in some minor character roles to prevent scum from just claiming non-main-cast characters. This is interesting, because basically we have two of these claims already, Martok and Vic Fontaine.

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ZONEACE has been hinting he's Martok for awhile now.

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Its pretty obvious and he doesn't deny it?

There is no honor in random voting.

First allusion to being Klingon.

SoH ghaj quvHa'ta' lIj qorDu'

Speaking Klingon, hinting at a role.

Frelaras: It's Klingon. Between that and the previous post about honour, it's possibly a post restriction or possibly just a fluff-based way of participating.

Zone: Its the latter.

Here he admits that he's possibly Klingon.

Oh, its also the worst attempt at bread crumbing EVER.

Another admission, saying he's breadcrumbing to a Klingon claim, admitting its a sloppy way of doing it.

Well, Today is a good day to die. Well atleast for jebus it's a good day to die.

Another Klingon allusion.

*insert klingon catchphrase that obviously makes me scummy*

Yeaaa....

and that's where I call bullshit, there is no indication in the opening post flavor or my role PM flavor to suggest i would ever be in Quarks, let alone the holosuites.

I'm thinking Worf or Martok right now.

running out of characters to set up roles for? I mean I'll admit, my role isn't exactly a regular, far from it, but it at least makes sense in the DS9 flavorverse.

Worf and Martok are really the only Klingon characters on the show. Worf is a regular, Martok isnt. So basically right there he was saying he was Martok.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Martok

So instead of denying his claim, he just links to the wiki. To me this is a clear indicator that he has been trying to say he's Martok.

What we have here could be a scummer trying to set up an early out of the way role he can breadcrumb back to, or just a silly townie being dumb. Right now, between Jebus and Zone, I would bet money that at least one of them is scum.

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Yeah, sure... THAT is likely.

Um, it is? Light-Kun, how old are you?

Anyway, dont know where to take this. I've tried to get people posting and voting, and I dont mind a really long d1, (which it has been) but the rate at which we're going the thread is gonna die soon.

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I swear, some of you guys know nothing about star trek. I was kinda hoping this would happen, I sort of expected it (god I'm good). I recommend an unvote on Zone for now, he deserves the chance to see his power in effect. I'm really curious about it. If he was ninja lynched before we got to see the vig, major FoS on whoever would do that.

Hey Zone, how does it work, is it a guaranteed kill? Whats some of the flavor say?

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lol.

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Ok.

Well, at least we know Jebus and Zone are town. And now that two lesser roles are claimed out of the way, I think its safe to assume that anyone else trying to claim a minor recurring role should be scrutinized greatly.

So, looking back, thinking about it, I'm gonna go back to who I originally thought was scummy before anyone else, CallMeLiam. He said a few undermining things that really alerted my scumdar big time.

I picked up the breadcrumb in that very first post of yours, and while I think it's a bit early to be claiming characters it's entirely possible that a Klingon could be pro or anti- town in this game. Not everyone who seems to be Klingon will necessarily be so, as I'm sure Martok can attest.

Here he is, trying to claim that Martok and Worf might not be town aligned, which is quite preposterous. And if he was a fan of the show, which he claimed, he would know that. Very scummy.

I am, yes. The point is that when our villains are shapeshifters it's entirely possible that any of the cast can be scum

Now he's trying to drill home the changeling-paranoia factor, which would completely undermine town attempts and discerning claims, and would just make things very difficult if we're always assuming anyone could be a shapeshifter at any time. Personally, I think if there are shapeshifters, it'll be a nightaction, not some automatic role assumption before the game starts. Paranoia and confusion - thats what he's trying to instill in us, being the first to mention it and claiming several times he will not be taking roleclaims into consideration.

Jebus, my vote was random but you're not doing anything that makes me want to remove it. It's way way too early to be talking about claims (Tim, this applies to you too) especially when (as previously mentioned) any character could be on either side. Hell, even Rom could be with the Dominion.

Even Rom could be with the Dominion? Are you kidding? Why would a shapeshifter impersonate ROM? Puh-lease. Here he is again, d1, trying to drill home more confusion tactics by saying that anyone could be with the dominion.

To be honest I'd have no problem with D1 mass CC just to get it out of the way. Since I can't think of a DS9 character without a logical power role I also believe it wouldn't be too harmful for the town.

Here he is suggesting a d1 massclaim. Did anyone else notice this at the time? I think a d1 massclaim would be extremely foolish for the town. I cant believe I let that slide at the time. I think Light-kun noticed it too. Also, not a fan of metagaming.

So, that is why I'm going to

Vote: Liam

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Soooo, any comments? You would think people would be in an uproar after the day-vig...

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ninja'd

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td, nudude, mana, and ozy - I dont feel like these people are playing. All we've seen from them is a few meager posts, and I feel they should start contributing more or start facing lurker suspicion.

Is there a way to get a total thread postcount per member on these forums?

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I guess that works...

So yeah, when the mod has more posts than you, something is wrong...

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okay, lets pressure the non-posters (still think liam is scummy tho' -.-)

unvote
Vote: td

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thanks for prodding, deli

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Sooooooooooooooooo!

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FoS Light-Kun

for trying to disassociate himself from lurkers when he himself only has 11 posts.

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td mafia is a commitment, if you want to stay in the game you're gonna have to do a little better than 2% of the total thread count. (And thats what you have, about exactly 2% of the total posts) Consider yourself prodded so I'll unvote for now and go back to my Liam vote where I feel comfortable...

Unvote
Vote: Liam

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That is, in fact, wrong. I can think of at least two other Klingon characters appearing in more than one episode (and several Klingons appearing in only one episode).

Um, no its not. Gauron is the only other Klingon that has some sort of real-recurring role on ds9. And maybe the dah-har master guy, but even he's a two-three episoder guy. While Martok and Worf have 20+ episodes under their belt.

No. CallMeLiam is claiming that a Klingon might not be town-aligned. And yes, there are Klingons on the show that would fit there perfectly.

Yes, but why would you want to claim them? That makes no sense. Also, those characters are extremly minor at best.

That dominion cowards bit is hardly an indicator of shapeshifters. The dominion is known for trickery and deception sure, but I think you're reading into deli's post a bit much there. Klingons call all their enemies cowards. I've seen Paradise lost and I think you're missing the point of the episode. Sisco accused his own father of being a shapeshifter, crossing the line. Same goes for this setup. If we start accusing everyone of being a shapeshifter all the time, all reason just goes out the window.

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Delibird: Count and Prods please?

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Besides him being spelt “Gowron,” which part of “appearing in more than one episode” is so difficult to understand? They appear more than once, therefore, they are recurring characters. Also, since they appear in episodes, they are on the show.

Sorry - no.

Gowron

appears in seven episodes, and Kor appears in two episodes. Those are not recurring roles. They're guest stars. Thanks for playing.

ChannelDelibird's post makes it clear that the Dominion is the enemy. Ultimately, the Dominion is the Founders, and the Founders are shapeshifters. Since the Dominion is involved, it is highly likely that the Founders are involved, too.

Woah, thats some pretty hardcore logic there, where'd you learn that, Vulcan? The founders aren't usually footsoldiers. They're not gonna be on ds9 killing people probably. They're more tricky and manipulatey-ish than that. I just think a changeling role would be really OP. I mean how would it work, kill the person then assume role? Lets say bob the changeling kills bashir during the night, what would happen? Its hard to speculate now.

No. In the Klingon mindset, “coward” is a huge insult and thus used (relatively) sparingly. I don't have a canon source for that, but have you ever seen a Jem'Hadar being called coward by a Klingon on the show? I don't recall that happening. Now, since Klingons and Jem'Hadar are enemies and no Klingon called te Jem'Hadar cowards, they obviously don't call all their enemies cowards.

WOW. You're wrong BIGTIME there. Klingons almost ALWAYS call their enemies cowards. Sure its a big insult, but its like our equivalent of 'bastard'. And thats hardly an example. I'm pretty sure Klingons called the Jem'Hadar cowards on multiple occasions. I know your wrong there and I will start quoting canon if you make me.

Yes, but still, anybody could be a shapeshifter.

On d1? Unlikely. My stance is while shapeshifting is probable at this point in the game, I dont think they would have already assumed a character role

on d1

. Unless they got to do it during pregame but I find that unlikely for other reasons. Lets ask ourselves about shapeshifters. Will they be immune to regular cops? Will they be immune to conventional vigs? Will they get the powers of the role they assume? Or does the shapeshifter already have a main character role?

We do know there will be a certain shapeshifter on our side, and I dont think he will be able to be impersonated. Said shapeshifter will probably be the only one able to track down the other shapeshifter. At least thats comforting. Thats all speculation, though.

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“Guest stars” is a concept that is completely orthogonal towards “recurring roles,” because (nearly) everyone not on the main cast is a guest star (including most characters only appearing in a single episode); even Martok is credited as a guest star. Yet you obviously wouldn't want to argue that he's not a recurring role. Besides, Kor appears in three episodes.

I highly doubt delibird would include guest stars in a ds9 mafia. Sure, Garak was a

techinically

a guest star, but he hardly was assumes the lesser roles of gowron and kor. There are more than enough real recurring characters on ds9 to make roles everyone for without having to resort to extremely minor guest stars. True, Martok was a guest star

originally

but eventually he became apart of the full-fledged cast (like Garak, for instance) but was still was a minor role and was not in every episode. I never claimed that Worf and Martok were the only ones, only that it was highly unlikely that there would be any other Klingon roles besides those two in the mafia game. How is that not fair of me to assume?

Where'd you get the idea that the Founders were “on ds9 killing people probably?” For the rest, see below.

I didnt? You're one of the people implying we should be extremely paranoid about changelings. Because if we do have an enemy shapeshifter, thats exactly what we're gonna be facing, a founder on ds9 killing people.

No. “Coward” is way stronger than “bastard,” it's basically reserved for people without honor (it's also part of the Ritual of Discommendation, in which a Klingon is stripped of his honor in the Klingon society). The Jem'Hadar are, in fact, honorable warriors (confer “By Inferno's Light,” 5x15).

Can we agree to disagree with this? I also think that Delibird's flavor scenes should be taken as just that, flavor. Reading into the tiniest little sentiments he may put into a flavor scene is probably not a good idea.

When Martok was first introduced in “The Way of the Warrior,” he was in fact a Changeling replacement. It wasn't until “Apocalypse Rising” (a whole season later) that this would be revealed and not until “In Purgatory's Shadow” (again, half a season later) that the real Martok would be introduced. I don't actually see a problem why any player could have been replaced from the start (also, since we seem to have unknowingly spent the first half of the day in a Holosuite, there had to be some kind of “switchover” bringing all of us there, which would have made it easy to actually replace someone).

I'd like to note that "Apocalypse Rising" was the episode directly AFTER "The Way of The Warrior" so really, changeling Martok was not around a whole lot. Neither was changeling Bashir. I dont think thats a reasonable line of thought. *shrug*]

Hoping to hear from Liam soon...

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Honestly td I can see we're going to be like two nerds butting heads endlessly when it comes to debating trek lore. I've enjoyed our little back-and-forth, really. We just have different opinions and lets leave at that for now. Its a big improvement from not posting before.

Farside has yet to post, and Mana and Nudude have only posted a few one-liners. Starting to piss me off. Start playing :X

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*pokes liam with a stick*

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Whu? I think what I was doing was trying to ascribe no value whatsoever to any character claims, never mind just minor ones. We saw with the Jebus kill how lynching someone because you don't like their claim is worthless. I will say again that placing any weight at all on character claims is a deeply flawed way to play as town in a game with it likely that his claim is the kind he hopes will keep him 100% safe.

By that statement, we should vote for you, because you've had the scummiest play. We actually learned alot from the Jebus lynch. For me, it indicated that there will probably be a few minor roles seeded into the town to help the scum a little. And that since two minor roles have already been claimed, it will be hard for scum to claim a minor role in the future. And the thought of a shapeshifter impersonating a major player, thats a little far-fetched.

Bashir and Martok were both replaced by duplicates during the show and I have no trouble believing the mod would slip in a Sisko, Kira or even a Kassidy shapeshifter as a scum role because I've seen the exact thing happen before in a DS9 theme game

Care to provide a url?

Anyhoo, if Liam is lying, and you're the real Quark, now is the time to step forward.

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Quark couldn't be scum.

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Well, he could if he was a changeling lol.

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Hi m4hem!

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er M4yhem o.O

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Regarding Quark... I could see him being set up as pro-dominion for a game based on some flavour about being duped for latinum or something. There's a bunch of episodes where his greed caused bad stuff to happen. But enough speculation about that.

Any hardcore ds9 fan knows (which I'm positive Delibird is) Quark is a good guy. Sure, he can do stuff for latinum and crazy hijinx will ensue, but he's a good guy. He did alot of stuff during season 6 to undermine the dominion and I think even saved the federation once or twice. He's a badass mofo.

Personally I think character claims are fine. I'm not too worried about changelings *just* yet. I'm keeping a very close eye on everyone though, and its always in the back of my mind.

Timeater- I find your obsession with claims a little worrying. You spend more time discussing claims than you do scumhunting. It seems to me that the more we talk about claims early on, the more information about what they can safely claim the scum get. Also, it gives scum information based on how people react to help look for the cop or the doc. So you get a fos and a 'please stop talking about possible claims now' from me.

I scumhunt in my own way and generally am very successful at it. Trust me, I know what I'm doing. I think any sort of discussion, no matter the subject in a game like this, is a potential tool for uncovering scum. I'm not worried about them possibly picking up on any trends based on my own speculation, I have enough faith in myself to sniff through most scum BS.

Sekinj has been something of a follower. I agree with that case, he's high on my list of possibles. Although I'm not entirely convinced by Liam's rebuttle I'm willing to unvote him and think things over for a bit, see where this goes.

Unvote

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oh btw, did Mana give a reason for leaving?

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Which is fine, honestly. I for one support the Jebus vig, I think you were justified. I'm really happy we have some good posters now, farside and mayhem. Big improvement. I guess right now most of us should be asking, where should we go from here? Who deserves the lynch?

Farside, just a small request - but if you are going to quote post numbers, please POST the original text in quote form. That way, we could see what you are trying to convey without having to scroll back through the thread.

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Did you want that now with what I posted or just in the future do so?
For now I will do it in the future. It's just easier when doing a PBPA to use the post number.

No you dont have to do that now, but unlike Sekinj I dont like having to open up another window and having to scroll back to search meticulously for the posts you're refrencing.

In reference for the infamous post #234I dont actually see the problem with lynching all the DS9ers. All the main characters are DS9'ers and only the villians aren't from the station. Unless I'm misinterpreting that?

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edwop: err lynching all NON-ds9'ers

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Hey Liam, about the link to the other ds9 mafia you sent. One thing stands out: its not a mini-theme. 12 players vs 25 players = Thats a huge difference. Less roles, less scum = less changelings and shapeshifters. I dont really think you can draw from that game and use it for this one because they dont have anything in common probably.

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I'm sorry but a 100% changeling scum team is stupid. I would hope Delibird would have a little more sense than that. Also, you ignore the fact that a mini-theme and a 25 player game are hugely different in setup. Larger games allow for more power roles, more crazyness, sloppiness, more scum - while smaller games concentrate on balance and finesse.

Since when am I showing signs of "desperation"? lol what. I think you need to re-evaluate my case on you if you want to properly address my suspicion. "Based off the stance that character claims aren't a useful tool in the townie's analysis" - What? Not at all. My attack post clearly lays out that I think you are scummy because you have on multiple occasions tried to spread a philosophy of paranoia and confusion and the "hopelessness of character claims". To me, thats a scummy thing to do.

"The 'lynch all non-DS9ers'" is stupid too. - When taken into Sekinj's original context it is. But not how I interpreted it. I dont see how gives your vote any merit. Whats the connection? Oh wait there isn't one.

I'm not convinced your scum right now so I'm gonna refrain from a revenge vote.

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Vote: Sekinj

For various reasons, some being apart of m4yhem's arguement.

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I haven't seen you as very scummy, but this action is fairly suspect... why not post your other reason so that other players might be swayed to seeing you reasoning. (ie, using someone else's reasoning is not the best reason to vote in my book.)

Retrobution

FoS on Light-Kun

for trying to make it seem that my lack of content is suspicious (how man FoS's does he have so far, three? Not sure). Do I really have to make super detailed posts every time I vote? I simply am suspecting of Sekinj and thus he is worthy of my vote. I really dont have to explain myself with a few paragraphs every time I vote, that irritates me. Same goes for Sekinj's statement.

As for the Weyoun comments, I see him as a completely viable scumboss. During the height of the occupation he was the head dude on ds9, with even Ducat under him (if I'm not mistaken.) Not sure if the game takes place during the occupation or not. Weyoun also has multiple clones.

It is the height of the Dominion War. The Dominion, led by the mysterious Founders, has invaded the Alpha Quadrant and taken on the combined forces of the Federation, Klingons and Romulans. As the gateway to the quadrants, DS9 has become the single most important strategic location in the galaxy. And so it is fitting that the final battle will take place aboard this station.

It has become clear that Dominion agents have infiltrated the station. Nobody can be sure of who is trustworthy. It looks like, despite all the 24th century technology at your disposal, it's time for a good old-fashioned mob lynching session.

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Personally I think suspect lists are a bad idea.

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Gee, thanks for posting td I love the forthought and planning thats gone into this d1. Its made the game very interesting and worthwhile. The games I'm used to playing players will vote recklessly and bandwagon for the sake of bandwagoning just to get the day over as quick as possible. This is a welcome change.

So I think we are at a crossroads. We're at a point where we can either sit around with our thumbs up our butts for the next two weeks and just hope something happens or we can start voting with a purpose. I'm somewhat comfortable for now that Liam isn't scum because no one has countered his claim. Thats leaves nine people (eight from my perspective) that are still possibles. Without naming names, I feel comfortable with the towniness of at least two people. That leaves six for me - and half of that six are scum. Sekinj to say the least is in that tally of six.

Is it wrong of me to metagame thinking that Mana and Pie would not asked to be replaced if they were scum? (not the two people I mentioned) Honestly, if I got a scum role I wouldn't want to leave, I have only gotten to play scum once and thats with like 20-something games under my belt. Scum is just too fun to pass up. Just throwing that out there to see what people think. Apart of me wants to believe this, another part of me rejects it as too much assumption.

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It irritates me when female players bring attention to the fact that they're female. Its like so what? Sorry the male-tense means basically the same thing as a universal-tense ( e.g first man on the moon, etc). Does you being a pretty pink little girlie girl have anything to do about anything related to mafia? No, it doesn't. *rage*

As for the accusations of coaching I'll have to look into them. Scum lists are a bad idea on d1 because it gives scum an obvious trend to go by. Who to side with, who to stay away from, who to kill, its a dumb idea. I just dont believe in that philosophy. It hardly "helps the town" - not day one. Maybe when the stakes are a little higher, and we have alot more to lose - scumlists are ok. But d1? You're playing into scumhands.

Requesting a count and a prod on Nudude. Will post heavily tomorrow.

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-_-

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Why are you voting for someone who claimed Quark and doesn't have a counter-claimer?

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So, I watched the end of ds9. I Bawww'd. Especially during the flashback montage.

Why Odo why ;_;

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Light-Kun is just building a bigger and bigger hole for himself imo. After Sekinj has been properly forced to claim/judged/lynched, he deserves serious attention. I think Light has accrued more FoS's than anyone else in the game at this point. That has to count for something and we have to take those fingers in some direction. I think he realized the Liam vote was a little silly for a townie to do and backed off it.

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We're pushing the Sekinj vote, get with it people. If it doesn't go anywhere, we lynch Light-Kun (multiple FoS's, multiple scummy statements, admitted liar, flounderer). Lets just get things moving. Both are totally viable IMO and both are worthy lynchees. Requesting count, Deli. Ooba the game isn't that long and you've yet to post *bitchslap*.

[Timeater]

*bitchslaps td*

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Because you ACK'd at me? -_-

Liam lynch all liars is pretty tried and true. 1 it teaches townies NOT TO LIE AND THAT LYING IS A BAD IDEA 2 its usually dead-on when catching scum

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Um, no.

@td Didnt know what you meant by ACK, I see now.

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1. FoS: Two of them are from you for worthless reasons.

A FoS is never worthless.

2. multiple scummy statements. Actually, this is new. Would you care to show examples?

Do I even really need to with such a weak retort? Other people seem to have been doing that just fine. Why so defensive?

3. liar. Yes, everyone lies. It is an infliction of the human condition.

The human condition eh? Since when does the "human condition" have anything to do with a mafia game over the internets? You trying to pass off a lie as just a character flaw or just "apart of life" is pretty scummy.

4. Flounderer... what?

floun·der1 [floun-der] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used without object)

1. to struggle with stumbling or plunging movements (usually fol. by about, along, on, through, etc.): He saw the child floundering about in the water.
2. to struggle clumsily or helplessly: He floundered helplessly on the first day of his new job.

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Unvote
Vote Light-Kun

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Lynch all liars is tried and true. Any experienced mafia player will tell you that. I've been playing mafia for about two years I think I know what I'm talking about. There are downsides to the motto/rule-to-live-by, but there are also upsides. Like I said, it teaches townies that lying is generally a bad idea for a townie, no matter the cause - because it interferes with scumhunting. Also its not kosher to let a liar slide. When you spot a serious mistake or discrepency with someone's playstyle or post, it is your duty as a good townie to jump on that and try to get the liar lynched. Thats solid play. You've really done more than enough pbpa's, they're starting to seem forced. I've gotten all I need from out of you at the moment. The sekinj lynch is going nowhere so you're the next best thing. Sorry.

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lol a pbpa on me? Wow you must really feel threatened then.

Your vote would put Sekinj at L-1, I hardly call that 'going nowhere'. I also think that stopping pressuring the player you want to lynch and moving on is bad play for the town.

See my earlier post for why is disagree with your LaL plan.

Ack, I did not realize sekinj was at four votes. I will change for L-1. I still have my eye on Light-Kun though. I'm looking forward to destroying any rhetoric based bs-post me may send out against me. 8 pages. lol.

Unvote
Vote Sekinj

So that leaves Sekinj at 5 votes.

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edwop: he may send*

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hahhahahhahhahah ninja'd by the overanaylzer. lol is he trying to fos every post I make? moment, reading

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I will address posts that you 'deem scummy' with direct answers. This will both save time and effort on my part, because I'm really not dedicated enough to go through every post with a response. I guess being a big boy will always make other people suspect you of being scum.

So is everyone to take your word on what is null, townie, and scummy? Are you the mafia grandmaster to which you are infallible in all practical judgement? Do I have to do a biased pbpa on you to show the exact same thing? That I can construe almost every post you have made as scummy? Because I can if you want. Your analyzation is sort of laughable. I mean, you clearly assess townie posts as "null" when it suits you, because you refuse to come to grips with the fact with the evidence - I'm town. You've already made up your mind so you wont bother taking everything into consideration. Tsk.

Not a fan of point-by-points because pettifoggery and semantics boil down the conversation to a primordial ooze, leaving out things like intuition, current standing, passion, and feeling. When you squibble over small points you often forget the bigger picture.

Anyway:

The Point By Point:

Post 107: Claims Jeb is trying to rationalize scum mistakes, but admits he could be wrong. Seems like an out.... Slightly pro town, but second part reads as scummy to me.

Yes. I'm "only human" as you so frankly put in one of your posts. I can make mistakes and I admitted to that.

Post 121:“I have the biggest post count in the thread so far”How in Dante’s nine circles of hell is this relevant? He FoS Sekinj for “bandwagoning” Look, even if I admit (and I do) that voting you because other people are voting you is stupid and wrong, I have to admit that his other thoughts are ...okay. Premature, but good. And you paretically chastise him for thinking . . . which looks bad on your part. *IF* you are not scum, let him snoop around and be able to securely say in his mind: He looks town. But, your reaction is slightly scummy. Some garbage on Jeb.’s claim being believable or not, and that will determine his lynchability.

Its relevant because I was the one actively posting the most, actively driving the conversation. This pretty much been the case the entire game until recently (I've lost a little interest). Its relevant because very very very rarely will a scummer stick out their necks like I have. I'm not looking back through the thread here, but if I chastised someone for "thinking" I'm sorry, I was probably out of line. I admit I'm not the most kosher player, I can get personal-attacky sometimes and I can get nasty.

“I'm sorry for posting alot and trying to be helpful?” Okay, let me count: 25 posts (thus far). . . 9 of those are completely useless/pointless (and some of those are helpful, but not with content). Seriously, posting a lot=\= helpful. A few more are not much better than completely useless. *Note, Sekinj’s immediate response was this too. Personally, I think Sekinj should have pushed this further, but whatever.*

A post is never useless so long as it drives conversation and keeps the game active. Not every post has to be mafia related, scumhunting, a debate, or a whatever. Four, five? People have asked to be replaced so far. Anything that ensures conversation and keeps them around is a good thing. I'm from that school of mafia philosophy. Old school.

Post 202: Votes for Jeb for the reason that there are 9 main characters and Vic isn’t one of them. This is scummy to me for the sole reason that making all of the pro town players the main cast is a stupid idea. If that were the case, I would mass claim, and lynch everyone who’s claims seems odd. Additionally, he is hinting that he is going to claim a main cast character (otherwise, he would realize that non main cast players are in the game.) Gr... I don’t like this post... so, slightly scummy.

I once accosted Liam saying that a mass claim was a bad idea. I'm not so sure anymore. I actually think we could probably win if everyone followed through with it. But I dont like metagaming, and I dont like mass claims. I would rather see the game played through normally without "breaking" it. And yes, I was breadcrumbing in that post. Not scummy.

He then goes back on post 202 saying that there are more popular minor characters to pick... which... is slightly scummy because he back tracks on his reason for voting Jeb, but he refuses to consider that Vic is viable claim because of more popular characters.. Since when has a character’s lack of popularity been a reason to vote someone claiming that character.. Especially when it is a tracker role...

At the time, I was still trying to work out if Jebus could be scum or not. Consider it thinking out loud. I was startled by the Vic Fontaine role, obviously seeded in to help scum claims which it did. And what I mean by that is that scum cannot easily claim a major role on the series without fear of retrobution or a counter claim - so Delibird seeded in a few minor roles in the town so minor character claims would not seem so implausible.

Post 331: Defends Quark as a good guy. Asks to be trusted because “he knows what he is doing” and is “generally good at it[scumhunting]” Yeah, I doubt you are town, at the moment, so I won’t be doing either. This seems like a misguided townie argument, or scum trying to get the masses to follow him. (Masses being our little town, of course.)

Isn't it tempting to think that I'm the big bad scum mastermind who has been orchestrating this whole game for my own evil plans? Man, I wish. I believe in trying to get townies to associate with one another and work together and build bonds, intellectual ones, that will stand the test of a scum-post-attack, or a scum-wagon. Scum tell? You decide!

Post 354: “Vote: Sekinj For various reasons, some being apart of m4yhem's arguement.” (Cept, his vote was bolded, just didn’t want to confuse mod.)Okay, this is crap. And when I pointed out the fact that this is crap, he responds: Post 359: “Retrobution FoS on Light-Kun for trying to make it seem that my lack of content is suspicious” and “Do I really have to make super detailed posts every time I vote?” No, you do not, but if you have “various reasons” but only “some” are part of someone else’s arguments, then you clearly have your own reasons. SHARE THEM. (Note, I didn’t vote him or even FoS him, I comment that his post is suspicious because he claims to have more reasons but doesn’t post them.)

This will be the first time I concede that something I've done could be construed as scummy. It was the result of burnout, really. I had been posting alot up to that point and to be honest I was just getting tired. I wagoned sekinj and I didnt feel like writing a decent post. So sue me. To make the town feel better:

- Very two-faced. One moment she'll be joking around, the next she'll be saying "this is mafia, not pre-school, if you dont like it join a newbie game" Sure this can be intepreted many different ways, and the coin can even be flipped on me, but something about her seems off.
- Quick to jump on wagons e.g jebus & zone.
- I dont know really, something is just off about sekinj. My gut is telling me something is wrong about her. The last time I ignored my gut, it cost town the game (recently closed mental war mafia). I dont want that to happen again.

Post 398: Questions my vote on Liam. (Well, and I don’t think you were paying attention the first time, so I post this again: I don’t watch DS9, so who the f**k is Quark, and why is he town? Secondly, Liam, himself, said that character claims are useless and someone else mentioned that it only helps scum figure out the town’s abilities. Third, he made a post that can be seen as suspect, and I voted him *UNTIL* he replied, which is the only reason I voted him at all...*ROAR*)

Kitty goes MEOW! I have every right to question your vote on Liam. How could you not know who Quark is by now. You've taken the time to write these extremely long pbpa's but you haven't taken the time to visit the memory alpha star-trek wiki and look up Quark? What? Scum much? Liam said character claims are useless...but wait, I thought you agreed with me that Liam's statement of character claims being useless was hogwash? So if that were the case, why would you agree with him? What sense does that make? I was perfectly justified in attacking you there.

Post 411: I am building myself into a hole apparently. Oh, well. I can expect town to agree with him in the next, oh, I dunno, 20 posts(sarcastic, not necessarily my real thought process)? “I think he realized the Liam vote was a little silly for a townie to do and backed off it.” WTF? I said in every post (including the one I voted for Liam IN) that I voted ONLY because he voted Sekinj without posting real reasons. (BTW, why the hell did you FoS me for being suspicious of you? If I vote someone without giving reasons, would you not attack me? Should I have done that instead of having (and giving) a reason? Don’t worry, I’ll wait.) \

Its called scumhunting. Overreact much? I was baiting you into a response. I do that alot. I wont point where I have done that in the game so far, but its pretty transparent. Its apart of my playstyle. Learn to live with it.

Post 421: Defends lynch all liars . . . Sorry, but this is fail to me. You keep making reference to this experience you have, etc,etc... yeah, I don’t give damn if you have experience. I will disagree, and it is going to take a lot more than a few scenarios where it *worked* to change my mind.

Ok do me a favor. Go to the Mafia Discussion subforum and ask the veterans what they think about Lynch All Liars. See what they say about it. If I cannot persuade you as to why its a good philosophy, maybe they can. Also, http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... _All_Liars

Won’t provide examples of scummy statements. Well, yeah, I guess it is easier to beat someone who can’t defend themselves... Goes on about being a liar. (As a partial point, I suppose my response could be taken as a worthless reminder of House or that town lies too. Both good.) Insults my intelligence of the word flounder

Making an attack post is time consuming (like this post, I've been at it for an hour. Thanks alot!). Most people will agree with me without having to go back through the thread when I say that you have said some pretty scummy things so far. Some quick examples being the liam vote, the lie issue, the distancing from lurkers. If I insulted your intelligence, I am sincerely apologetic. I honestly thought you didnt know what flounder meant. And its not that you're clumsy or sloppy perse, just your attack posts are. Nothing personal.

For post 411, post 421, post 428, post 435, post 296 and post 359 are all designed to attack me, but he either lacks a (real) reason to attack me or refuses to give them for whatever ploy he has. But, he votes me because:

296: I “disassociate myself from lurkers when I only have 11 posts”
359: For “trying” to make his lack of content seem suspicious.
411: I am digging myself into a hole because Liam vote was silly and when I realized this, I backed off.
428: Maintains that I have made scummy statements, but won’t/can’t provide examples. Claims FoS are not worthless, and claims his 2 years of mafia experience makes him great... or something...
421, 435: Defends lynch all liars. Uses this to vote me, claims Sekinj lynch is going no where, thus I am next best thing, and that my pbpas are tired and forced.

296: Utterly valid
359: Yes, tried. But failed.
411: I was scumhunting. You were the target. Hi.
428: This whole pbpa is scummy, example enough. They aren't. It makes me ok.
421: Because lynch all liars is SMART. Woah what a concept!

YOU on the other hand are fairly paranoid, you active lurk, you assume that just because you have been good at scum hunting before that people should trust you. Well, I find these qualities to be scummy. Additionally, every time you vote someone, you will proceed to give reasonable doubt on there scumminess. (With Liam, you just think he is anti-town for attacking you *that is my read on the post, with Jeb you vote him but give yourself an out, with Sek, you indicate it probably won’t work and that I am next. So, either you will actually follow through with me, or give yourself an out. Heaven forbid you commit to your actions.)

Where I come from being paranoid in a mafia game is a good thing. Active lurk? What? My posts have some serious substance lad, and just because a post of mine doesn't have three paragraphs doesn't mean I'm not watching the conversation. I haven't stopped scum hunting. And yes, people -should- trust me because I say so, deal with it. About the preparatory comments, gee wiz, you got me there. I want to stay in the game and and I'll do what I can. Preparatory comments dont really even mean anything because people will recognize them and will use your actions as an indicator of what happened, not the 'saving grace' comment. Null point, as you so aptly love to point out. Anyway, on to my conclusion.

Conclusion:

What we have here is a case of either A: Light is just a novice townie and cannot handle the pressure of a scumhunt/town prod and overracts hugely on a misguided attack post on me. Or B: Is scum, is threatened by me, by Zoneace, and feels the need to retaliate with some major rhetoric, trying to parlay himself out of any suspicion. For now I will go with A. I was baiting and baiting him into something like this because I've been suspcious of him for awhile, ever since the lurker comment. I'm appeased. There are some other points I wanted to address but I'm forgetting them. This took thoroughly too long though and I will not address anymore point by points for at least a few days, I'm sick and tired of pettifoggery and I want this day to end. Sekinj is at L-1 and should claim soon or face retrobution. Ooba and Scotty7, hello welcome to our game. Please read up and post soon.

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.....whattttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

[Timeater]

You're basically the doctor? What do you mean?

A: You're a dominion character but you're town?
B: How does your doctor power work?
C: Elaborate on some of your flavor.
D: Why will you show up scum?

[Timeater]

E: Scanned?

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It is the height of the Dominion War. The Dominion, led by the mysterious Founders, has invaded the Alpha Quadrant and taken on the combined forces of the Federation, Klingons and Romulans. As the gateway to the quadrants, DS9 has become the single most important strategic location in the galaxy. And so it is fitting that the final battle will take place aboard this station.

I have a problem with this claim because Damar wasn't a "good guy" until the very end of season 7 when he saved worf and ezri and there was the whole carsassian rebellion deal. I guess he turned out ok, but its a leap. Its also very convient to claim this. I mean, you could be the Damar before that critical point in his development, where he was a dominion lackey (albeit one who was fed up) or the Damar who was the right-hand man of Dukat, who was pretty much a one-dimensional evil guy.

Has Sekinj claimed she knew anything about DS9? Because this role is very well crafted if its a scum claim. Also, she isn't trying very hard to defend herself, more like she's already given up and resigned herself to her fate. This is bad town play or a poor scum maneuver because it never works. The power role also fits because he saved Worf and Ezri in the same manner.

Oohhh I just realized something. We're all on DS9. The Damar that saved Worf and Ezri, the good Damar who saved the day, wasn't on DS9. That part of his character didn't develop on the station. It was only until dealing with Weyoun day in and day out did he change. Damar also murdered someone on the show, Dukat's daughter (or doing his duty you could say), and a few other people. He's a pretty rough dude. Also, scum usually claim doc. Thats scum 101. ALSO, the term scanned - that sounds like something scum would know. Like they are wearing prothesis or something and they will only be caught if they are scanned.

Okay, I'm not buying that claim.

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great. then lynch me. it's not like i can do much good now anyway. I'll either get lynched today of nk'd tongiht.

You realize how bad that play is? How uphelpful that is? If you're town you need to learn how to properly defend yourself and come out with a claim in good graces. If I had another vote I would hammer you myself.

First: Tim, I understand you are questioning Sekinj because you don't believe his post based on canon versus flavor, but how much can we depend on flavor being true to the series?

There is only one way to find out! Lol! Delibird so far has seemed to demonstrate a level of ds9 knowledge akin to my own, and I just recently watched the entire series and its fresh in my mind. His flavor post with Zone/Klingon stuff & the death scene seems to indicate to me that he knows the show like the back of his hand. Same with post counts, which each include a quote from the show. I think. So anyway, yeah - I trust him as a mod.

Second: Sekinj, is there any suggestion that your role is fallible? Like, you are unable to protect, or that there is a chance at failure, or is it a guaranteed save?

What an odd thing to ask...

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I'm just really sick of being seen as scum in every single one of my games.

Maybe you need to work on that instead of blaming other people?

You're sitting here saying you're sick of me but you're not bothering to address any of my concerns. Can you realize how that is a little disconcerting? How that might be construed as scummy? You cant expect everyone to take you at face value all the time and get angry at them when they dont believe you. Its apart of the game. And if you are town, and you just haven't tried, well then maybe you can learn from this. I'm town and I'm not ashamed at all for prosecuting you, and I doubt I will regret it. I find a Damar doctor hard to believe and even if you were town, you should have realized what that claim would lead to and would have sought to avoid it better. I have every right to call your play terrible if in fact you are town.

[Timeater]

wow ugh

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she lynched herself thats it she's done its twilight. and why would you be the protection target zone, you've already used your power. :/

[Timeater]

If really do have a Damar doctor thats really really cruel Delibird -_-

[Timeater]

Well claim it right now if thats the case. Otherwise dont refute it. Other people may need that protection. Dont

imply

that your power is more than a one-shot, just say it. A unlimited day-vig in a minitheme is fucking

OP

sir.

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*psst* for the record, I did mean ZONE FACE, and not liam. Whoever the Klingon is I was going to protect, even though he hasn't done us any favors up to this point.


*dies*

You realize you practically ruined 20 pages of work, right? Jerk.

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td i think you missed the part where she self voted herself and the shitstorm that ensued. sigh.

[Timeater]

:/

Well. This is not good. Need some time to think.

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Time to come up with excuses for your fishing expedition, you mean?

vote: Timeater

Lol. He was asking for it (and we still dont know if he was BSing the Unlimited-Vig role or not) ~ I've got something important planned for this day, I want to hear more from Ooba though. He is basically implying he is Garak, this is excellent for the town considering my own power.

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The way you've revealed this however, leaves me with some suspicion. Since we've already lost an info role, a doc AND a vig though, I'd be happy with any leads we could get.

QFT

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*pokes Ooba with a stick*

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I had my suspicions of M4hyem but I have to ask, and I know this sounds like nothing, why would you capitalize Evil? That just seems kinda cheesy and that makes me think about fabrication. Also, why'd you investigate him?

Vote: M4yhem

Ooba can you protect people? Its crucial to the town's survival that I know.

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Also,

Sotty7
farside22
td

All need to post.

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Holy shit.

Light-Kun is DUKAT! AND HE'S STARTING A PAH WRAITH CULT. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-CUKKKKKKKKKKKK

Vote:

Light-Kun

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Just in case

Vote: Light-Kun

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I'm Benjamin Sisco. I'm a motivator/cop.

n1 I targetted td and nothing happened.

n2 I targetted Light-Kun and I get the message about Dukat.

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Sisco, sisko, same diff

Before we all wagon Light-Kun into oblivion, I think it might be a good idea to talk things over and make sure what we're doing is absolutely correct. I found it odd that I got no result from td when I invited him to talk with me (thats what my role pm says, each night I can talk to someone to help them carry out their duty) My guess is because of the relationship between Dukat and Light-Kun, I think he would be so bold as to talk to Sisko directly. Its odd because Delibird makes my role out to be a motivator but my actions so far have indicated to me that I'm something of a cop.

I really want to milk this for all its worth - so if there is a townie NK out there or Odo, or some other night action that would benefit greatly from a motivation ( motivators basically redirect cops into guilty targets, etc) now is the time to speak up. Because I probably will be either dayvigged today or killed tonight.

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edwop: Dukat and Sisco*

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a mass claim at this point would actually help alot imho.

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Are you guys not getting what im saying?

Please dont lynch him so quickly without discussing all our possible actions. I dont want to die tonight, and if I am to die, we might as well milk the potential of my role to the max!!

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*ghost noises*

You cant kill me! I'm the fucking main character!

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please dont let this game die

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bumping out of love :/

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Sooooo?

Any word from Max, the backup mod?

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What about MeMe? Think she might have a copy of the game layout?

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...Dont you think there would be just a SLIGHT conflict of interest there?

I wish I could get back in.

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Probably might be best just to call the game a null/draw and end it, and post the layout

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Lol, so nobody won. Really neat setup though.

I am confused about my role, was I a cop? What happened the first two times I tried to use my ability?

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Oh nevermind, I see. I protected against the cult-leader.

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Really enjoyed the game though. Sad it boiled down to shoddy replacements (no offense to fonz and jordan) and a mod-slip-up (grumble). *beats delibird with a stick*

It was epic when I targetted Dukat and the hijinx at ensued after it.

Is there a night-action-log?