Hot Potato Mafia - Game Over

[Battle Mage]

/confirm

Also, i'm a cult recruiter too! ^5

BM

[Battle Mage]

/french fry

/conform dammit!

[Battle Mage]

I'm a kitty cat and I confirm, confirm, confirm.

I feel there's a song reference here I'm just not getting.

There probably is. I'm not certain, either.

why say it then?

[Battle Mage]

I'm a kitty cat and I confirm, confirm, confirm.

I feel there's a song reference here I'm just not getting.

There probably is. I'm not certain, either.

why say it then?

'Cause I wanted to.

...You look familiar. Have I sued you before?

yeh we played together back in the day. Let's have a quote pyramid of reminiscing

BM

[Battle Mage]

Korts makes a good point.

Someone had to!

BM

[Battle Mage]

/confrench fries

Also, I believe you are referencing to what Riceballtail said above: the Kitty Cat Dance. Except its:

Cats? I'm a kitty-kat
And I dance, dance, dance, and I dance, dance, dance,
Cats? I'm a kitty kat

But thanks for saying this because I now remember that I want to get this ringer on my phone.

Laziness, I take pleasure in it.

Pussy.....


....


....

Cat.

[Battle Mage]

This game is going to be hilarious isn't it?

until you lynch me, yep.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Well, okay. But how fun would it be to throw potatoes at BM?

Yeh, pretty fun. Shame this is a Mafia Game, as opposed to Mish Mash.

[Battle Mage]

*starts thinking up puns and jotting them down for later*

lol can we do the shower pun at some point?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Toss Imaginary Potato at Armlx

BM

[Battle Mage]

hmm, i dunno.
Could be messy...

BM

[Battle Mage]

is it worth voting here?

BM

[Battle Mage]

mass claim? lol

[Battle Mage]

I suggest we all vote for a no lynch

Surely that's kinda involuntary?

I suggest we take this thread to page 10 before the others get here.

BM

[Battle Mage]

So how do you like your potatoes cooked?

baked or roasted are best.

you?

BM

[Battle Mage]

I love Roast Potatoes cooked in Duck/Goose Fat, however Im quite partial to a baked potato with tuna mayo or melted cheese and spring onion

Lush.

Random Claim: Mr Flay

[Battle Mage]

Stoofer even

Toss Potato at Porochaz

Superior Stoofer? Blatant lie.

BM

[Battle Mage]

In fact, lets vote on it. Flay or Stoofer?

[Battle Mage]

Baseless setup speculation is obviously the way to go here...

Chances are that the potatoes have various triggers such as time (potato explodes after X hours), passes (potato explodes after it has been passed X times), or other completely unrelated things...

I personally want to see "Potato explodes if anyone says the name of the person holding it".

Porochaz Porochaz Porochaz

Worth a shot i guess.

[Battle Mage]

I don't think it'll be number of passes that triggers it, it'd be impossible to avoid it. They probably don't, but I've gotta ask: do the players holding the potatoes know anything plus about the triggers?

Not sure about the second question, but i'm pretty sure that the number of passes can have an impact.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Flay

obvobv

Also, for any Cult Recruiters out there- If you recruit me, i 100% guarantee victory!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Recruit BM

for victory!

yay. lol
Just gotta hope PJ doesnt kill you now!

Where's your Flay vote?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Also, even if we all think Player X is scum, how do we force him to keep the potato?

yeh, we are really reliant on the people with the potatoes, and theres no real incentive for them to work against their own views.

BM

[Battle Mage]

on the flipside, if the potato is on a timer, it makes an awesome way of tackling the lurker issue!

BM

[Battle Mage]

I guess if we all agree to pass the potato to our top suspect, the chance of them exploding would go up.

I also like the idea of giving potatos to lurkers.

Is it better to keep the potatos moving or not?

No i reckon it's best if we keep talking for as long as possible, so Porochaz's potato blows up in his face.

BM

[Battle Mage]

hey this games gonna be fun, BUT I'm going to be away from now (possibly on tonight) until sunday the 26th, lets try to keep the potatoes away from me thanks.

FoS: Coheed Cambria

BM

[Battle Mage]

Did you ever think I might be holding onto the potato for now? Also what about post counts?

post counts?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Or, even better, throw it to me, by deflecting it off Armlx's head.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Potato Tracking Count: Nothing has changed.

• Porochaz is in possession of a Russet Potato
  
• Crazy is in possession of a Sweet Potato
  
• JohnWWells is in possession of a Baked Yellow Potato

Also, everyone, please don't try to throw potatos you don't have.

Sorry. Can we please have

Prods

on Crazy and John?

Thanks,
BM

[Battle Mage]

This game is just so random...

I have absolutely no idea what to say or do right now.

say

Vote: Mr Flay

and all will be forgiven.

[Battle Mage]

Wow.

Did we really need all of the pointless posts?

Potatoes asplosions... I was thinking that they would happen mostly along the lines of something like after X posts or X tosses, personally.

'Course, we can only guess until we get actual pink mist. I get the feeling that this is going to be a very unusual game...

Also, Battle Mage, you talk

way

too much...

After X posts is a fun idea. I doubt it, but if that is the case, it's very clever by the Mods.

You think I talk too much? You clearly havent met Armlx.

BM

[Battle Mage]

What are we going to do other than pointless posts until people start throwing potatoes around. We can try an guess how things work, but we aren't going to have a clue until there's an explosion - and even then, we'll only know how that type of potato functions.

that is, if the potatoes work the same way every day. It's possible that they get mixed up at night?

Also, i rofl'd at Wizardcat. Nothing in particular. Just generally.

I'm gonna risk keeping the potato for now. Until i think of something good to do with it. Other than eat it.

BM

[Battle Mage]

You think I talk too much? You clearly havent met Armlx.

You think armlx talks too much? You clearly haven't met Gimbo...

You think Gimbo talks too much? You clearly haven't met Syzygy, Gimbo Jr., or Obmig...

rofl.

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Flay

Yay wagon!

You just earnt my respect. Next time i'm about to throw a potato at you, remind me of this please.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Okay, two people it is then.

unfakevote:Wizardcat

Fake vote: JohnWWells

-Lurker scum.

Nice idea, but theres no way im wasting my potato on a guy who needs replacement!

BM

[Battle Mage]

I suggest a voting system, where we effectively vote 2 people to be possible lynches. They then pass the potatoes between each other repeatedly until one dies. If they pass elsewhere, we simply pass all potatoes to them repeatedly till they die.

Ok.

Lob Sweet Potato at Armlx

Let's roll guys!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Nice idea, but theres no way im wasting my potato on a guy who needs replacement!

BM

This is the problem, right here. What if the people with potatos don't like the wagon? What do we do?

We'll see, BM. It's not my final vote by a long shot. Maybe you'll like my next vote better.

in case u hadnt noticed, John already has a potato. He's a timebomb already.

What i suggest is we all wait for Armlx to throw the potato back at someone, and whoever recieves it, throws it back to him. Such a plan makes for a great reaction test!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Boom.
The three potatoes and their carriers remain intact.

No-one else does.

It is now Day 2.

This is going to be a pain, the no way to keep potatoes on people we want gone, as scum will be able to theoretically toss potatoes away at the right time if we manage to discover the exploding mechanism.

Indeed. It won't be easy to make anything happen the way we want it to, but I think the players' potato passing patterns will play a particularly prominent part in working out who's scum.

Lol, i like the way SSF left out the Night phase there.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Nice idea, but theres no way im wasting my potato on a guy who needs replacement!

BM

This is the problem, right here. What if the people with potatos don't like the wagon? What do we do?

We'll see, BM. It's not my final vote by a long shot. Maybe you'll like my next vote better.

in case u hadnt noticed, John already has a potato. He's a timebomb already.

What i suggest is we all wait for Armlx to throw the potato back at someone, and whoever recieves it, throws it back to him. Such a plan makes for a great reaction test!

BM

Why do you want Armlx to toss his potato and not one of the other two players?

Because presumably, Armlx won't want to keep a potato that could kill him for very long. Hence he will discard it at some point, at which time, we pelt it back at him. It's the school of hard knocks.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Fakevote: BM

for... BMing.

Why do you want me dead so bad? Thus far, all you've done of note, is pelt a potato at me, unprovoked, and then voted for me? Is there a reason you hate me?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage: We're not going to prod someone who just posted yesterday. But feel free to keep us informed about who is lurking and who needs prods and such.

John still hasn't posted since confirming. I felt he might need a reminder that we have started, is all...

BM

[Battle Mage]

Fakevote: BM

for... BMing.

Why do you want me dead so bad? Thus far, all you've done of note, is pelt a potato at me, unprovoked, and then voted for me? Is there a reason you hate me?

BM

He probably loves you and can't cope with his feelings.

yeh, but so does Porochaz, and he hasnt thrown a potato at me yet...

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, as you notice, I still have the potato. I have no intention of breaking the rules I set up to try to organize the game. You however do, and as such deserve to be voted off the island.

Wait a sec. I deserve to be voted off a mysterious island because i didnt do exactly what you said? rofl.

Vote: Armlx

Oh and ooi, why have you not mentioned Crazy, when he was the first person to throw a potato? Double standards much?

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, the only difference between you and Crazy is that Crazy threw his potato

before

armlx suggested his plan. There's a distinction.

Personally, i dislike the use of plans in games with a different mechanic. More often than not, they are either concieved by scum, or followed by scum, and dissenters (predominantly town) end up getting scapegoated. It allows scum to ride on Armlx's coat-tails, assuming he is town himself. Brings back bad memories... :'(

BM

[Battle Mage]

Nice idea, but theres no way im wasting my potato on a guy who needs replacement!

BM

This is the problem, right here. What if the people with potatos don't like the wagon? What do we do?

We'll see, BM. It's not my final vote by a long shot. Maybe you'll like my next vote better.

in case u hadnt noticed, John already has a potato. He's a timebomb already.

What i suggest is we all wait for Armlx to throw the potato back at someone, and whoever recieves it, throws it back to him. Such a plan makes for a great reaction test!

BM

Why do you want Armlx to toss his potato and not one of the other two players?

Because presumably, Armlx won't want to keep a potato that could kill him for very long. Hence he will discard it at some point, at which time, we pelt it back at him. It's the school of hard knocks.

BM

What about the other two?
It is possible (But unlikely) that JohnWells hasn't posted because he's afraid that talking while holding hte potato will blow him up.

I very highly doubt that. Let's face it, if talking blows him up, he's screwed, because he has to talk in order to give it to someone else. Not buying it.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Wait a sec. I deserve to be voted off a mysterious island because i didnt do exactly what you said? rofl.

You didn't do what I said that a large number of people have agreed is the correct play.

rofl! A large number!?

I count....3.
And 2 against. That's barely a majority.

Confirm Vote: Armlx

There's stretching the truth, and there's blatant lying...

BM

[Battle Mage]

I have an exploding potato
I need to throw it to and fro
But I want to keep my potato
So I will not thro(w)

You see everyone has a plan
Votes are given, Im not a fan
As with the bomb here I stan(d)
I do not want to be a flan

I think voting is foiled

My pants are soiled

ROFL
I need new trousers, these are spoiled
Im throwing this before I get boiled.

But who shall I pass
Its my choice alone and not a mass
But for now Im letting you decide
24 hours or I save my hide

You could throw it at Armlx or John, to see if having 2 potatoes means instant death?

BM

[Battle Mage]

The only problem that I can see with Armlx's plan is that the potatoes will stay in the hands of pro-town players while we're deciding whom to potato-bomb. If some of these potatoes are triggered by time, and no doubt some are, then that's not good.

I say, whomever has a potato passes it to a person they find scummy. Once we get a majority via Armlx's plan, then we can continually pass it to those select two.

It also gives a more concrete voting record for us.

Yeh, or we just forget Armlx's plan completely, and just give the potato to someone we want dead. If there is a good enough case to kill someone, im sure we'll end up passing it to them anyway. But, im not going to commit anyone to passing to someone who they dont feel is scummy, just because Armlx said so.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Do you think Armlx should throw to Porochaz, BM?
You avoided my question: Why aren't you interested in the other two throwing their potatoes as much as you are getting Armlx blown up?

I think you are missing some very obvious points here. Firstly, John is NOT HERE. He won't be throwing his potato until he shows up or gets replaced now, will he? Secondly, I highly doubt Porochaz will listen to anything i have to say.

Now, a few questions for you:

1. Why do you think that it is solely my job to determine who throws potatoes where?
2. Why are you pretending to scumhunt when the majority of us are clearly still in the 'random' stage.

I wouldnt mind Armlx throwing at Porochaz. It would serve the same end as my suggestion, just with a higher risk, as i'm getting townie vibes from Porochaz atm. And Armlx? hmm, not so much.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Yeh, or we just forget Armlx's plan completely, and just give the potato to someone we want dead. If there is a good enough case to kill someone, im sure we'll end up passing it to them anyway. But, im not going to commit anyone to passing to someone who they dont feel is scummy, just because Armlx said so. Rolling Eyes

Armlx isn't our king. The decision would be made by the whole town... and going against the majority is not a good idea unless you feel very strongly about it.

^THIS is exactly the kind of mentality i am trying to avoid. Going against the majority should not be deemed scummy, because in practice, a majority is just as likely to be fuelled by scum as it is by town. We're all individuals, and we can all make our own decisions. When you use an authoratarian system, you need a method of punishing dissenters. In this case, that means killing everyone who has an opinion that goes against the consensus. It might happen in practice anyway! But for crying out loud, let's not make it official before we even start!!!!

BM

[Battle Mage]

I agree. It's probably best if the potatoes are kept constantly moving until we find a likely target for "lynch".

Erm what? Haven't we already concluded that there is a strong possibility that some potatoes may explode after a certain number of tosses? Why then, would you suggest that we waste our firepower?

FoS: Korts

Unvote, Vote: Q21

I've gotta admit though, i'm a little disappointed that all this randomness ensued in my absence. Maybe it's a tarp?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Do you think Armlx should throw to Porochaz, BM?
You avoided my question: Why aren't you interested in the other two throwing their potatoes as much as you are getting Armlx blown up?

I think you are missing some very obvious points here. Firstly, John is NOT HERE. He won't be throwing his potato until he shows up or gets replaced now, will he? Secondly, I highly doubt Porochaz will listen to anything i have to say.

Completely avoided the question.

Do you think Armlx should throw to Porochaz?

DUDE. TRY READING MY WHOLE POST BEFORE YOU GET A BEE IN YOUR BONNET!

Now, a few questions for you:

1. Why do you think that it is solely my job to determine who throws potatoes where?

What gives you the impression that I think that?

The fact that you are asking my opinion on what everybody should do with their potatoes. Nobody elses. Just mine. Now, stop completely avoiding the question.

2. Why are you pretending to scumhunt when the majority of us are clearly still in the 'random' stage.

I rarely see townies complain about a random stage being over. Why are you?

What gives you the impression that i am?

This is pretty defensive for a simple question that you seem to be backtracking pretty hard to avoid answering. If this is the random stage, then you trying to direct Armlx is also random, which means there's no reason for you not to try to direct potatos to and from Porochaz, right?

Eh? 0.o
I dont really understand what you are saying here, but i think i can see where you're heading. If you could be clearer, that might help the both of us.

I wouldnt mind Armlx throwing at Porochaz. It would serve the same end as my suggestion, just with a higher risk, as i'm getting townie vibes from Porochaz atm. And Armlx? hmm, not so much.

BM

How can you be?
We're in the random stage, you can't possibly be scum hunting yet, can you?

Saying someone gives townie vibes isn't scumhunting. It's the converse. Armlx is more, just incorrect. Being wrong is not inherently scummy, but it remains to be seen whether he will continue to be wrong. Continuously misleading the town IS scummy.

I agree. It's probably best if the potatoes are kept constantly moving until we find a likely target for "lynch".

You are advocating a random lynch if the bombs are triggured on 'number of tosses'.

My guess is that one potato is based on number of tosses, one is based on length of time held, either by one person or from the beginning of the day, and a third is based on number of posts that have been posted, either since it's been last tossed or since the beginning of the day.

Yep, i pretty much agree with this.

BM

[Battle Mage]

elect a bum boy

I vote you. Or maybe Skruffs, from what i've heard.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Since we're already tossing the potatoes, we should circulate them as fast as we can on Day 1. If scum doesn't know the triggers as well, they'll avoid tossing the potatoes to their buddies. The tossing pattern of scum will be interesting, if at last one of 'em is caught in an explosion.

fake vote: Rally Vincent

Hands up, who knew he's even in the game?

Just because everyone's ignoring me does not mean I... hey, wait. Hello...?

You, my friend, have clearly never heard of BUSSING.

[Battle Mage]

BM, then tell me, how is it any less random a lynch if the potatoes stay put? Assuming they are currently in the hands of valuable pro-town players, and also assuming that they obey and keep the potatoes like you imply they should, we have no chance of actually hitting scum. If, however, the potatoes are kept in motion, there is some chance that one of them actually asplodes into the face of someone we actually intend to kill.

So...you want a random kill? Are you kidding me!?
Did you actually just say that we should pass the potatoes around, because mathematically, we MIGHT hit scum? 0.o
I'd rather see the potatoes KEPT in the hands of those protown players, until we have some idea of where we are throwing them. I dont mind keeping them moving TOWARDS PEOPLE WE ARE SUSPICIOUS OF. But srsly, it seems atm we are just throwing our spuds around for the lols.

BM

[Battle Mage]

elect a bum boy

I vote you. Or maybe Skruffs, from what i've heard.

BM

Let Luigi Gangsta do the chores

chores? since when was tha a chore?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Since we're already tossing the potatoes, we should circulate them as fast as we can on Day 1. If scum doesn't know the triggers as well, they'll avoid tossing the potatoes to their buddies. The tossing pattern of scum will be interesting, if at last one of 'em is caught in an explosion.

fake vote: Rally Vincent

Hands up, who knew he's even in the game?

Just because everyone's ignoring me does not mean I... hey, wait. Hello...?

You, my friend, have clearly never heard of BUSSING.

I, my friend, have my own car

Lol, i like you. I hope you enjoy a long and happy life in this game.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Since we're already tossing the potatoes, we should circulate them as fast as we can on Day 1. If scum doesn't know the triggers as well, they'll avoid tossing the potatoes to their buddies. The tossing pattern of scum will be interesting, if at last one of 'em is caught in an explosion.

fake vote: Rally Vincent

Hands up, who knew he's even in the game?

Just because everyone's ignoring me does not mean I... hey, wait. Hello...?

You, my friend, have clearly never heard of BUSSING.

I, my friend, have my own car

Lol, i like you. I hope you enjoy a long and happy life in this game.

BM

I hope you won't mind if I redirect any potatoes at you, then

cos if the trigger is number of posts, our multiposting isn't furthering the pro-town cause.

Actually if we follow your advice, we're probably just speeding up the town victory.
You can throw spuds at me if u liek. I wont hold it against you, as long as you keep making me laugh

BM

[Battle Mage]

Actually if we follow your advice, we're probably just speeding up the town victory.
BM

Tacit claiming scum?

not on my part!

[Battle Mage]

Erm what? Haven't we already concluded that there is a strong possibility that some potatoes may explode after a certain number of tosses?

We haven't concluded anything because we have no evidence, since none of the potatos have exploded. Until we've tested the idea that a number of tossess=bang there's no reason to believe it.

isnt the fact that it is possible enough? 0.o
I'm fearful that we will waste many of our days finding out that we cant outguess the Mod.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Erm what? Haven't we already concluded that there is a strong possibility that some potatoes may explode after a certain number of tosses?

We haven't concluded anything because we have no evidence, since none of the potatos have exploded. Until we've tested the idea that a number of tossess=bang there's no reason to believe it.

isnt the fact that it is possible enough? 0.o

The fact that it is possible is not equivalent to "a strong possibility", so no, it isn't.

Ok, how about if i said i am 99.9% certain that number of tosses has an impact on when the spud blows up?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Erm what? Haven't we already concluded that there is a strong possibility that some potatoes may explode after a certain number of tosses?

We haven't concluded anything because we have no evidence, since none of the potatos have exploded. Until we've tested the idea that a number of tossess=bang there's no reason to believe it.

isnt the fact that it is possible enough? 0.o

The fact that it is possible is not equivalent to "a strong possibility", so no, it isn't.

Ok, how about if i said i am 99.9% certain that number of tosses has an impact on when the spud blows up?

BM

Then I'd have to ask why you're so certain.

Then i'd say that i inferred it from the wording of my role pm.

BM

*also, with this post i become the 3rd top poster of all time on site!

[Battle Mage]

I don't suggest we throw Potatoes around to work out how they work, if over time we start to see how they work that is a bonus and we can use that knowledge then. I suggest throwing the Potatoes around be cause its the only action that has any real weight behind it. Votes don't have any consequence because he have no real way to put a majority choice into effect. Being in possession of a Potato could lead to death for the possessor and so the passing of Potatoes is something on which we can judge people.

Every time you pass a Potato you should be able to give a reason for your choice of target. As such I'd like to know the reasons for the choice of target from those who have thrown their Potatoes in the last few pages.

:goodposting:

BM

[Battle Mage]

And I can see how, if no scum hvave potatoes (Or have already thrown them) that they would want to keep townies from getting rid of them.Point is, if I get a potato, I am immediately throwin git to the person I think is most suspicious. Whether I give a reason or not, that leaves a valid papertrail. IE scum are goign to more likely throw it to townies, and not each other, because throwing it to each other leads to a much more likely case of fatal bussing rather than quasi distancing.

Again, encouraging people to hold onto an exploding potato "Unless they have a good reason", is, well, encouraging players to be sacrificial.

Happy scumday man. Can i take a wild guess at who you 'think is the most suspicious'?

BM

[Battle Mage]

punishing lurkers in this game will be important, because obviously they will not leave a trail as Skruffs pointed out. Then we are left with active players who we can actually analyse.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Do you think Armlx should throw to Porochaz, BM?
You avoided my question: Why aren't you interested in the other two throwing their potatoes as much as you are getting Armlx blown up?

I think you are missing some very obvious points here. Firstly, John is NOT HERE. He won't be throwing his potato until he shows up or gets replaced now, will he? Secondly, I highly doubt Porochaz will listen to anything i have to say.

Completely avoided the question.

Do you think Armlx should throw to Porochaz?

DUDE. TRY READING MY WHOLE POST BEFORE YOU GET A BEE IN YOUR BONNET!

More avoidance of the question?
Your response to "Do you think Armlx should toss to Porochaz" is, "John is not here" and "I doubt Porochaz will listen to what I have to say"... but nothing, no part of your answer, says, "Yes, I think he should" or "No, I think he shouldn't"...
Hmm. Not sure what secret hidden cryptological puzzle you have imbedded in your post, but I Really don't see a valid, direct answer to the questoin.

OMFG. I dont even know why i'm dignifying such blatant playing dumb with a response. I cant bottle-feed you for the entire game Skruffs. If you seriously scan every post you try to criticise, you'll NEVER get a good outlook on the game. I've already answered your question, and if you'd been reading properly, you'd see it. I suggest you reread my recent posts and then you can come back and apologise for making a fool of yourself and irritating me.

Now, a few questions for you:

1. Why do you think that it is solely my job to determine who throws potatoes where?

What gives you the impression that I think that?

The fact that you are asking my opinion on what everybody should do with their potatoes. Nobody elses. Just mine. Now, stop completely avoiding the question.

I'm not asking your opinion; you've already given it. I'm asking the basis for your opinion. Why one polayer and not another, why throwing to this player and not another, etcetera. Trying to twist what I am saying and asking you into some sort of ultimatum is pretty last-year's-playstyle for you, BM.

You still haven't answered my question. Why are you apparently trying to attack me, whilst completely ignoring everybody else?

2. Why are you pretending to scumhunt when the majority of us are clearly still in the 'random' stage.

I rarely see townies complain about a random stage being over. Why are you?

What gives you the impression that i am?

If you liked it, you wouldn't be asking me why I was doing it - you would be doing it yourself or encouraging it. But I do like how you returned an answer to me that you yourself claimed was an 'avoiding the question' answer, which was itself a mirror to the FIRST answer you gave me. Now that you have confirmed that you are intentionally avoiding questions I am asking (And for apparently no reason), I am happy to see you baptized in a Trial By Potato.

Lol, so because i'm far from impressed by your poorly thought out, and ill-timed attempt to attack me, you are happy to see me die? Jesus christ, that is poor. Forget me for a second. You have declared somebody scum when we have barely started. And why? Because you immediately jumped on them, they argued back, and you tunnel-visioned them ever since. And you're surprised that i'm unimpressed by your play? Even if i was scum, the fact is, you have no case whatsoever, and appear to be making this game into a personal affair as opposed to an objective game. Hell, i may have been a little hard on Armlx so far, but i haven't gone as far as to say that he's definite scum. Equally, i'm still unsure about your affiliation. I think it's more likely than not that your attack on me is merely a personal thing. You jump at shadows from me, in the desperate hope that you can get me lynched as scum. It's a null tell i guess. Although the fact you are hurting the game by trying to kill someone for personal reasons rather than for game-related things, and are trying to kill someone because YOU made a mistake, is not helping the town, and thus, scummy. Now we've just got to try and judge whether you are a foolish townie, or an exceptionally arrogant scumbag.

I wouldnt mind Armlx throwing at Porochaz. It would serve the same end as my suggestion, just with a higher risk, as i'm getting townie vibes from Porochaz atm. And Armlx? hmm, not so much.

BM

How can you be?
We're in the random stage, you can't possibly be scum hunting yet, can you?

Saying someone gives townie vibes isn't scumhunting. It's the converse. Armlx is more, just incorrect. Being wrong is not inherently scummy, but it remains to be seen whether he will continue to be wrong. Continuously misleading the town IS scummy.

That's like saying an insane cop is scummy, if their results lead to lynches.[/quote]

Umm, no. An insane cop does not DELIBERATELY mislead the town. There's a discernible difference.

And if you were really against players being wrong, you wouldn't be so brash as to tell other players where to toss their potatoes.

Lol, how quaint. You ask me to tell someone where to toss their potatoes, i do so, and then you call it a scumtell? Are you for real?? 0.o

This is pretty defensive for a simple question that you seem to be backtracking pretty hard to avoid answering. If this is the random stage, then you trying to direct Armlx is also random, which means there's no reason for you not to try to direct potatos to and from Porochaz, right?

Eh? 0.o
I dont really understand what you are saying here, but i think i can see where you're heading. If you could be clearer, that might help the both of us.

did you deliberately neglect to answer this question?

BM, then tell me, how is it any less random a lynch if the potatoes stay put? Assuming they are currently in the hands of valuable pro-town players, and also assuming that they obey and keep the potatoes like you imply they should, we have no chance of actually hitting scum. If, however, the potatoes are kept in motion, there is some chance that one of them actually asplodes into the face of someone we actually intend to kill.

So...you want a random kill? Are you kidding me!?
Did you actually just say that we should pass the potatoes around, because mathematically, we MIGHT hit scum? 0.o
I'd rather see the potatoes KEPT in the hands of those protown players, until we have some idea of where we are throwing them. I dont mind keeping them moving TOWARDS PEOPLE WE ARE SUSPICIOUS OF. But srsly, it seems atm we are just throwing our spuds around for the lols.

BM

A) Thank you for confirming the potatoes were in pro-town players hands at that time, and for saying you'd rather see a pro-town player die than hopefully hit scum.

Yeh that's exactly what i did Skruffs. Wow, you're good at this game. I expect you'll have it cracked by the end of Day 1! [/sarcasm]

B) Potato tossing is the equivalent of putting someone at L-1, with TIME or POST COUNT being the hammer vote. Not passing them is the equivalent of voting suicide and no lynch, if you are town.

Wow man. You really expect people to take you seriously when you try to lead the town without reading the game? We've already established a third factor to the potatoes, which is NUMBER OF TOSSES. Not passing them, is the equivalent of WAITING UNTIL YOU ARE SURE BEFORE KILLING SOMEONE.

C) THrowing potatoes will increase discussion and suspicion, and a thrown townie is more likely to hit scum than a held potato, wether you think scum are bussing or if you think a townie is scumhunting. THe only potatoes that are thrown that are LESS likely to hit scum are hte ones thrown by scum to townies or the ones you tell people to throw, you being scum and all.

lol. Methinks you doth protest too much! Not to mention, you blatantly ignored the second scenario, which indicates you aren't even paying enough attention to your accusations to present them in a sensible way. Dude, if you're gonna feed the town BS, you need to at least wrap it up nicely!

BM's scum meta is flourishing. Kill him before he convinces all of you he's too scummy to be scum and winds up winnig as the SK again.

Lol, sorry folks i guess i spoilt the ending. The Skruffs OMGUS attack returns for yet another unwanted sequel.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Do you think Armlx should throw to Porochaz, BM?
You avoided my question: Why aren't you interested in the other two throwing their potatoes as much as you are getting Armlx blown up?

I think you are missing some very obvious points here. Firstly, John is NOT HERE. He won't be throwing his potato until he shows up or gets replaced now, will he? Secondly, I highly doubt Porochaz will listen to anything i have to say.

Completely avoided the question.

Do you think Armlx should throw to Porochaz?

DUDE. TRY READING MY WHOLE POST BEFORE YOU GET A BEE IN YOUR BONNET!

More avoidance of the question?
Your response to "Do you think Armlx should toss to Porochaz" is, "John is not here" and "I doubt Porochaz will listen to what I have to say"... but nothing, no part of your answer, says, "Yes, I think he should" or "No, I think he shouldn't"...
Hmm. Not sure what secret hidden cryptological puzzle you have imbedded in your post, but I Really don't see a valid, direct answer to the questoin.

OMFG. I dont even know why i'm dignifying such blatant playing dumb with a response. I cant bottle-feed you for the entire game Skruffs. If you seriously scan every post you try to criticise, you'll NEVER get a good outlook on the game. I've already answered your question, and if you'd been reading properly, you'd see it. I suggest you reread my recent posts and then you can come back and apologise for making a fool of yourself and irritating me.

Now, a few questions for you:

1. Why do you think that it is solely my job to determine who throws potatoes where?

What gives you the impression that I think that?

The fact that you are asking my opinion on what everybody should do with their potatoes. Nobody elses. Just mine. Now, stop completely avoiding the question.

I'm not asking your opinion; you've already given it. I'm asking the basis for your opinion. Why one polayer and not another, why throwing to this player and not another, etcetera. Trying to twist what I am saying and asking you into some sort of ultimatum is pretty last-year's-playstyle for you, BM.

You still haven't answered my question. Why are you apparently trying to attack me, whilst completely ignoring everybody else?

2. Why are you pretending to scumhunt when the majority of us are clearly still in the 'random' stage.

I rarely see townies complain about a random stage being over. Why are you?

What gives you the impression that i am?

If you liked it, you wouldn't be asking me why I was doing it - you would be doing it yourself or encouraging it. But I do like how you returned an answer to me that you yourself claimed was an 'avoiding the question' answer, which was itself a mirror to the FIRST answer you gave me. Now that you have confirmed that you are intentionally avoiding questions I am asking (And for apparently no reason), I am happy to see you baptized in a Trial By Potato.

Lol, so because i'm far from impressed by your poorly thought out, and ill-timed attempt to attack me, you are happy to see me die? Jesus christ, that is poor. Forget me for a second. You have declared somebody scum when we have barely started. And why? Because you immediately jumped on them, they argued back, and you tunnel-visioned them ever since. And you're surprised that i'm unimpressed by your play? Even if i was scum, the fact is, you have no case whatsoever, and appear to be making this game into a personal affair as opposed to an objective game. Hell, i may have been a little hard on Armlx so far, but i haven't gone as far as to say that he's definite scum. Equally, i'm still unsure about your affiliation. I think it's more likely than not that your attack on me is merely a personal thing. You jump at shadows from me, in the desperate hope that you can get me lynched as scum. It's a null tell i guess. Although the fact you are hurting the game by trying to kill someone for personal reasons rather than for game-related things, and are trying to kill someone because YOU made a mistake, is not helping the town, and thus, scummy. Now we've just got to try and judge whether you are a foolish townie, or an exceptionally arrogant scumbag.

I wouldnt mind Armlx throwing at Porochaz. It would serve the same end as my suggestion, just with a higher risk, as i'm getting townie vibes from Porochaz atm. And Armlx? hmm, not so much.

BM

How can you be?
We're in the random stage, you can't possibly be scum hunting yet, can you?

Saying someone gives townie vibes isn't scumhunting. It's the converse. Armlx is more, just incorrect. Being wrong is not inherently scummy, but it remains to be seen whether he will continue to be wrong. Continuously misleading the town IS scummy.

That's like saying an insane cop is scummy, if their results lead to lynches.[/quote]

Umm, no. An insane cop does not DELIBERATELY mislead the town. There's a discernible difference.

And if you were really against players being wrong, you wouldn't be so brash as to tell other players where to toss their potatoes.

Lol, how quaint. You ask me to tell someone where to toss their potatoes, i do so, and then you call it a scumtell? Are you for real?? 0.o

This is pretty defensive for a simple question that you seem to be backtracking pretty hard to avoid answering. If this is the random stage, then you trying to direct Armlx is also random, which means there's no reason for you not to try to direct potatos to and from Porochaz, right?

Eh? 0.o
I dont really understand what you are saying here, but i think i can see where you're heading. If you could be clearer, that might help the both of us.

did you deliberately neglect to answer this question?

BM, then tell me, how is it any less random a lynch if the potatoes stay put? Assuming they are currently in the hands of valuable pro-town players, and also assuming that they obey and keep the potatoes like you imply they should, we have no chance of actually hitting scum. If, however, the potatoes are kept in motion, there is some chance that one of them actually asplodes into the face of someone we actually intend to kill.

So...you want a random kill? Are you kidding me!?
Did you actually just say that we should pass the potatoes around, because mathematically, we MIGHT hit scum? 0.o
I'd rather see the potatoes KEPT in the hands of those protown players, until we have some idea of where we are throwing them. I dont mind keeping them moving TOWARDS PEOPLE WE ARE SUSPICIOUS OF. But srsly, it seems atm we are just throwing our spuds around for the lols.

BM

A) Thank you for confirming the potatoes were in pro-town players hands at that time, and for saying you'd rather see a pro-town player die than hopefully hit scum.

Yeh that's exactly what i did Skruffs. Wow, you're good at this game. I expect you'll have it cracked by the end of Day 1! [/sarcasm]

B) Potato tossing is the equivalent of putting someone at L-1, with TIME or POST COUNT being the hammer vote. Not passing them is the equivalent of voting suicide and no lynch, if you are town.

Wow man. You really expect people to take you seriously when you try to lead the town without reading the game? We've already established a third factor to the potatoes, which is NUMBER OF TOSSES. Not passing them, is the equivalent of WAITING UNTIL YOU ARE SURE BEFORE KILLING SOMEONE.

C) THrowing potatoes will increase discussion and suspicion, and a thrown townie is more likely to hit scum than a held potato, wether you think scum are bussing or if you think a townie is scumhunting. THe only potatoes that are thrown that are LESS likely to hit scum are hte ones thrown by scum to townies or the ones you tell people to throw, you being scum and all.

lol. Methinks you doth protest too much! Not to mention, you blatantly ignored the second scenario, which indicates you aren't even paying enough attention to your accusations to present them in a sensible way. Dude, if you're gonna feed the town BS, you need to at least wrap it up nicely!

BM's scum meta is flourishing. Kill him before he convinces all of you he's too scummy to be scum and winds up winnig as the SK again.

Lol, sorry folks i guess i spoilt the ending. The Skruffs OMGUS attack returns for yet another unwanted sequel.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Skruffs and M4yhem are correct. Battle Mage is wrong and possibly scum for it; seriously, man, are you saying that pro-town players should hold onto the only lynching mechanism in the game?

There should be more Kuribo hate.

If you read what i said, you'd know that wasn't the case. I'm saying that because a significant factor in when the potatoes explode is NUMBER OF THROWS, we should not just throw them around for a laugh. If we throw a potato, we should actually be ready for the recipient to possibly die. Do you feel we've had enough discussion for Day 1?

*TSS Hate*

Agreeing with Skruffs instantly makes you wrong.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Earlier Skruffs was saying that we should hold on to our potatoes to make sure they don't explode too fast.

Now he says if he's ever passed one, he'll throw it immediately?

I retract my last comment. If this is the case, Skruffs WAS right earlier in the game. Apparently he then realised that if the town holds onto the potatoes and discusses the game, it will give him more chance to slip up.
That's a very well spotted inconsistency Crazy!

FoS: Skruffs

BM

[Battle Mage]

Skruffs, I don't see it how BM confirmed that the potatoes are in pro-town hands. Could you elaborate? The other things I can see, at least.

At last. I'm not going crazy!

Korts, would you care to explain what the 'other things you can see' are?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Wow, quintuple post?

Your long post, which incidentally you posted twice, is giving me very scummy vibes. I'll be looking at it closer a bit later to see why. As of now, your reply to Skruffs is just confusing. It feels like you're caressing my brain with half a brick.

Yeh im not sure how it posted twice. Normally after i post it send me straight back to the thread. But ah well. If the Mods want to delete it, they can.

Skruffs, I don't see it how BM confirmed that the potatoes are in pro-town hands. Could you elaborate? The other things I can see, at least.

At last. I'm not going crazy!

Korts, would you care to explain what the 'other things you can see' are?

BM

Do you think Armlx should throw to Porochaz, BM?
You avoided my question: Why aren't you interested in the other two throwing their potatoes as much as you are getting Armlx blown up?

I think you are missing some very obvious points here. Firstly, John is NOT HERE. He won't be throwing his potato until he shows up or gets replaced now, will he? Secondly, I highly doubt Porochaz will listen to anything i have to say.

Completely avoided the question.

Do you think Armlx should throw to Porochaz?

DUDE. TRY READING MY WHOLE POST BEFORE YOU GET A BEE IN YOUR BONNET!

More avoidance of the question?
Your response to "Do you think Armlx should toss to Porochaz" is, "John is not here" and "I doubt Porochaz will listen to what I have to say"... but nothing, no part of your answer, says, "Yes, I think he should" or "No, I think he shouldn't"...
Hmm. Not sure what secret hidden cryptological puzzle you have imbedded in your post, but I Really don't see a valid, direct answer to the questoin.

Here, Skruffs has a point. You don't answer the question at all, your reply includes opinions about John and Porochaz, but the question was about armlx. When asked again, you point at your initial reply, which, as I said, doesn't include an actual answer.

Korts, Korts, Korts...
*sigh*

Perhaps you should do as i bade Skruffs do, which is READ THE ORIGINAL RESPONSE I MADE.
No, not just the section Skruffs decided to quote. The ACTUAL POST i made. Because, guess what, kiddo? I answered the question in that post. Sadly though, because Skruffs is not reading, or thinks everyone else is incapable of reading, he has decided to ignore this itsy bitsy little fact.
Christ man, gullible much? 0.o
An apology from you would be appreciated too. Especially because you should know me better-regardless of affiliation.

Now, a few questions for you:

1. Why do you think that it is solely my job to determine who throws potatoes where?

What gives you the impression that I think that?

The fact that you are asking my opinion on what everybody should do with their potatoes. Nobody elses. Just mine. Now, stop completely avoiding the question.

I'm not asking your opinion; you've already given it. I'm asking the basis for your opinion. Why one polayer and not another, why throwing to this player and not another, etcetera. Trying to twist what I am saying and asking you into some sort of ultimatum is pretty last-year's-playstyle for you, BM.

Here, you initially tried to misrepresent Skruffs; his motives for asking were pretty clear, given that it was after (and in reply to) you (I assume jokingly) proposed that either armlx throw a potato at Porochaz or vice versa. His question of "what gave you that impression" is fully justified IMO.

You feel an attack based upon what you yourself deemed a joke, is 'fully justified'? It seems to me, from where i'm sat, that Skruffs is merely focussing all his attention on trying to construct scumminess from me, rather than actually scumhunting. Or do you disagree?

2. Why are you pretending to scumhunt when the majority of us are clearly still in the 'random' stage.

I rarely see townies complain about a random stage being over. Why are you?

What gives you the impression that i am?

If you liked it, you wouldn't be asking me why I was doing it - you would be doing it yourself or encouraging it. But I do like how you returned an answer to me that you yourself claimed was an 'avoiding the question' answer, which was itself a mirror to the FIRST answer you gave me. Now that you have confirmed that you are intentionally avoiding questions I am asking (And for apparently no reason), I am happy to see you baptized in a Trial By Potato.

Your hypocrisy here is the point I agree with.

Of course, there are points in Skruffs post that are just pointless arguments which I don't care to list because I'm too lazy; plus I don't follow how you've confirmed that the potatoes were in pro-town hands. But that doesn't change the fact that Skruffs has some valid points against you.

Erm yeh, in case you hadn't noticed, the fact i copied Skruffs' line was actually meant to be ironic. Hence it being the same word for word.
Now in what way do you feel i have avoided questions?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Do you think Armlx should throw to Porochaz, BM?
You avoided my question: Why aren't you interested in the other two throwing their potatoes as much as you are getting Armlx blown up?

[...]

I wouldnt mind Armlx throwing at Porochaz. It would serve the same end as my suggestion, just with a higher risk, as i'm getting townie vibes from Porochaz atm. And Armlx? hmm, not so much.

BM

I guess I owe you an apology.

it's ok bro. At least you now know better than to trust every word that Skruffs comes out with.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I have to agree that Skruffs seems to be doing some serious reaching.

Also, I totally forgot that BM said his PM says number of potatos is a trigger. That changes things and we should probably be a bit more careful who we throw to.

BM- What personal reasons does Skruffs have for attacking you?

Number of potatoes? Dontcha mean number of throws?

The reason Skruffs put forward himself was Food Fight Mafia in which he argued against me for pretty much the whole game, until he got killed, and i went on to win the game (which started with 30 players) alone, as an SK.

Its far from the only game where we've...quarrelled, but its the example he seems to be drawing from. Ironically, we are also joined by DGB, who moderated that game, and probably has the best meta stance here. Even so, her post seems more than a little opportunistic, and it's exactly what i'd expect from DGB-scum too. So probably a null tell, but i cant blame her for trying

BM

[Battle Mage]

I for once am coming around ot agreeing with DGB here. Good catch there q21.

It's this post which makes me think Armlx is probably town. Q21 is obviously town. I'm pretty torn about Skruffs' death. Its never good to lose a townie, but 1 as anti-town as him? It was bound to happen, and perhaps now we can move on...

BM

[Battle Mage]

What if we kill anybody who gets a townie killed? In other words, we throw to the person who threw to Scruffs (q21), then if he turns out innocent, we kill the next person who kills a townie.

Alternatively, we could keep killing lurkers until we have an idea as to what triggers each type of potato...

This is a scummy post. Not simply because it suggests killing me, but because what is suggested has a lot of potential to kill absolutely nothing but townies.

QFT.

[Battle Mage]

If we throw a potato, we should actually be ready for the recipient to possibly die. Do you feel we've had enough discussion for Day 1?

If you're telling me you have no scum reads on anyone, you're lying. They will not be as firmly grounded or deeply rooted as in a regular game, by the nature of the death mechanic where people find suddenly that they have made unilateral executive decisions, but it is

a scum read

, and that means by definition that you are prepared for the person to maybe die. Not as much as you would like to be prepared, maybe, but more than you should be prepared to die yourself.

That's not what i've said atall. I'm saying that, the little bout of throwings we had earlier, was clearly random, and not largely based on suspicions atall. It's probably a good idea for one of us to keep tabs on the number of throws each potato has had so far. Any volunteers?

BM

[Battle Mage]

If Russet Potato is triggered by # of tosses, the magic number is eight (not counting the original toss to the first holder).

Russet Potato:
Porochaz --> M4ahem --> Luigi Gangsta --> DarlaBlueEyes --> DGB --> Rally Vincent --> Riceballtail --> q21 -->

Skruffs

EBWOP

: Good Work. I'll do the other 2.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I guess it makes sense that Skruffs wants BM dead after being beaten by him but it really shouldn't make a difference to the game.

I don't like how BM brought that in to make it seem like a cross game OMGUS.

Omg, you're as bad as Skruffs. Read the fricking game please. Skruffs himself admitted that his attitude towards me was linked to Food Fight!

I'm amazed at how sure DGB and Armlx are that BM is scum.

He deliberately tried to cause mayhem early game in a self preservatory manner.

Because drawing attention to myself early on is a GREAT move as scum, amirite?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Plus, meta:BM is likely this in most games he plays, so I've heard.

He is loud usually, but not straight up disruptive like that.

You should probably consider getting that meta fixed. 0.o

BM

[Battle Mage]

The Sweet Potato has had 2 throws: (Crazy->BM->Armlx)

BM

[Battle Mage]

The Baked Yellow Potato has had only 1 throw: (JohnWWells->CoheedCambria)

I think we have some life left in us yet.

BM

[Battle Mage]

You should probably consider getting that meta fixed. 0.o

BM

Are you claiming you

are

always disruptive?

Good work on the potatos. I doubt they will all be controlled by number of passes though. That's too easy.

not exactly. But my disruptiveness is pretty much a null-tell, as Armlx well knows from his rather extensive experience playing with me.

I'm interested to see where Armlx pelts his potato. In fact, i'm just interested to see whether he practices what he preaches.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ok, how about if i said i am 99.9% certain that number of tosses has an impact on when the spud blows up?

Just wondering, are you certain that one potato is rigged in that way, or that all (or all that are rigged at least) are?

I'm certain that is has some significant impact at some point. I cant say which potatoes, or how many, are affected by this. But i'm guessing a fairly significant proportion are.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'm not sure we should be counting that potato kill as a scum tell, or any day one potato kills for the simple reason that i don't think any of us (including power roles and scum) know what sets of the potatoes, so people just throw them to keep themselves safe (which isn't a scum tell either because nobody wants to die).

I think the risk from holding a potato is lower than the risk of having one thrown at you.

I think what we can learn from this is that yes they can be caused by number of passes, but i don't think there will be another potato with the same number of passes in its trigger and there is a large chance that they will have different triggers all together. When i got a potato i passed it as fast as possible to DBE for fun, but i think now that someone is dead we should all be more cautious/selective with our potato throwing.

Erm as far as i can tell, you've never had a potato. 0.o

FoS: Luigigangsta

BM

[Battle Mage]

How about we stop speculating about what caused Skruffs' death and start more speculation on who is scum?

Both are connected. If we know a trigger, then the one triggering a potato on a townie has some explanation to do.

Triggering a potato by choice is one of the scumtells that we're looking for.

But there's nothing that says the potatoes will be the same every day, or that the triggers will be every day.

So, again, the speculation is pointless.

We will see that if we get another Russet Potato. They have a name for a reason, until I see otherwise, I think we can assume that the triggers don't differ. Otherwise, this game would just be a bucket of randomness.

Actually, i was thinking the same thing. The Mods emphasised that we may not get the same potatoes again, which seems to suggest that the potatoes have constant properties (otherwise, why would the name matter).

What i dont understand is the bit in italics. Can you please explain?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Throw potato to JohnWWells

I wonder what happens when the person who started with the potato gets it back.

Probably nothing? lol
I can see alot of possibilities here, but im not expecting something which is blatantly biased against the guys who start with the potatoes...

BM

[Battle Mage]

Because drawing attention to myself early on is a GREAT move as scum, amirite? Rolling Eyes

You and I both know thats straight up WIFOM.

To an extent. But its unrealistic to disregard things as WIFOM and suggest that they have no significance. You are pretty familiar with the way i play. Certainly you know enough to know that i've played like this as town before, yet you, like Skruffs, seem to want to play the meta card. Of course, i've played like this as scum too. But if you take a look at my play across my 85 completed games on site, you should get the overview that in fact, as scum, i tend to lie lower, and ideally, stay out of focus. Doesn't always happen, but i can assure you, thats always my goal.

people just throw them to keep themselves safe (which isn't a scum tell either because nobody wants to die).

Except it is. Scum are much less willing to endanger their life for the group then town simply based on the fact each scum is more valuable to their team.

I see this argument put forward by alot of older players, and it never ceases to irritate me. I dont see how you possibly hope to gauge how much people want to live. I tend to find i hate dying in any games. As scum, because it means the team is a man down. As town because it means the town no longer benefits from my infinite wisdom, and quite possibly that we've wasted a lynch.

But the major flaw in this argument is that we dont know how these potatoes work. How the hell can you conclude that people who throw potatoes quickly are more likely to be scum, when we have no real evidence to suggest that holding onto a potato is dangerous!? Frankly, if i was scum, i'd be just as concerned about throwing a potato as holding it, because in throwing a potato, you draw more attention to yourself, and can often invoke OMGUS, not only leaving you with the potato at the end of the day, but with the risk that you will die as a result of the 'No. of tosses' rule we

know

exists.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Am I the only one who sees JohnW's comments as a newbie mistake rather than scummy?

I'm not sure atm.

BM

[Battle Mage]

What i dont understand is the bit in italics. Can you please explain?

BM

Sure. If someone blows off a potato with a known or at least assumed trigger on purpose, he'd better have a good reason.

Yah, umm, i'd like to think someone has a good reason to 'blow off' a potato regardless... 0.o

[Battle Mage]

Can we please say no. of throws etc, as people talking about random tossing is making me laugh at work...

(yes Im THAT immature)

I'd only toss in your direction Porochaz.

BM

[Battle Mage]

But if you take a look at my play across my 85 completed games on site, you should get the overview that in fact, as scum, i tend to lie lower, and ideally, stay out of focus

Examples? And quite frankly, throwing the potato early would not have dragged you out had I not been so adamant about the plan.

I wasnt aware that was what you were referring to. You are claiming that i'm being a pain in the ass because i'm not kissing yours?
I dont really think you've thought this through. Not alot of point me finding examples until i have something to defend against.

BM

[Battle Mage]

*resists urge to make joke about Armlx being the biggest newb*

[Battle Mage]

Erm as far as i can tell, you've never had a potato. 0.o

FoS: Luigigangsta

BM

I had a potato fool, don't accuse me of something and give me and FOS without doing your homework....

Oh yeh sorry. Just went back and checked, and you did have the Russet (which TS made the list for, and not me).

UnFoS

if it matters.

BM

[Battle Mage]

What i dont understand is the bit in italics. Can you please explain?

BM

Sure. If someone blows off a potato with a known or at least assumed trigger on purpose, he'd better have a good reason.

I think anyone who throws a Potato anywhere should have a good reason.

I said this like 10 pages ago.....

And i said it almost word for word on the last page. This isnt a competition, and Q21 is probably town in my eyes anyway.

BM

[Battle Mage]

...Q21 is probably town in my eyes anyway.

How so, BM???

He blatantly and openly declared war on Skruffs. Regardless of whether he knew it would kill him, he brought himself right out into the open- something i could not see him doing as scum in a game like this.

BM

[Battle Mage]

He blatantly and openly declared war on Skruffs. Regardless of whether he knew it would kill him...

Explain this bit "Regardless of whether he knew it would kill him" please. It's early in the morning.

Well theres nothing to suggest that he knew it would kill Skruffs, but that doesnt matter.

BM

[Battle Mage]

...Q21 is probably town in my eyes anyway.

How so, BM???

He blatantly and openly declared war on Skruffs. Regardless of whether he knew it would kill him, he brought himself right out into the open- something i could not see him doing as scum in a game like this.

BM

You do realize that that's WIFOM, I hope.

I do so tire of people trying to refute points by simply calling 'WIFOM' and not really explaining themselves....

If you'd care to elaborate, i'd much appreciate it!

BM

[Battle Mage]

...Q21 is probably town in my eyes anyway.

How so, BM???

He blatantly and openly declared war on Skruffs. Regardless of whether he knew it would kill him, he brought himself right out into the open- something i could not see him doing as scum in a game like this.

BM

Wouldn't it be exactly what scum would dare to do in a game like this? Because, you know... we cannot punish behaviour like this on the spot. [/i]

Lol, ofc we can. I just dont see him as scum.

BM

[Battle Mage]

WIFOM, as in it's just as possible he did so anticipating exactly the kind of reaction you made. I mean, you go and say things like "I wouldn't expect scum to do this, therefore if he did this, he's very likely pro-town" and don't understand why people say you're spouting WIFOM?

And now that I reread your sentence, am I reading it correctly and you're referencing q21's scum meta? If so, please clarify.

By that end, everything anyone says is WIFOM. If you define WIFOM by such broad terms, you can't possibly scumhunt, because every scumtell and every towntell can be declared WIFOM as 'it could have been something done by scum in order to appear more town'.

It's very weak to call something WIFOM under these terms. Not buying it.

Scum meta? I dont have the faintest idea what you are talking about....

BM

[Battle Mage]

I don't, as a general rule, apply WIFOM to anything and everything, but this

is

. I wasn't trying to make a big deal out of it, just pointing it out.

Korts, my friend... *sigh*

If you call WIFOM on something as weak as this, it's inconsistent to say that you dont believe defending somebody

by definition

is scummy, or at least logically flawed. Is that what you really believe?

@BM: what I meant by scum meta is that you said that what q21 did is "something you could not see him doing as scum in a game like this" and whether you had seen q21's play as scum before to be able to make this call.

No, i was just speaking generally. I dont have any real meta on him. Not sure if we've even played together before!

BM

[Battle Mage]

No, i was just speaking generally. I dont have any real meta on him. Not sure if we've even played together before!

BM

At one point, q21 and I were in 3 different games together, I think.

sounds like me and CKD. And me and Armlx *shudder*

BM

[Battle Mage]

I don't, as a general rule, apply WIFOM to anything and everything, but this

is

. I wasn't trying to make a big deal out of it, just pointing it out.

Korts, my friend... *sigh*

If you call WIFOM on something as weak as this, it's inconsistent to say that you dont believe defending somebody

by definition

is scummy, or at least logically flawed. Is that what you really believe?

Calling my set of beliefs inconsistent based on this instance is a bit off. Your statement registered as WIFOM. Whether it was

weak

or not, I didn't state, and weak WIFOM or strong WIFOM, it's still WIFOM. WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM. I wonder how many times I'll be using the word WIFOM. WIFOM?

What do you mean by "

by definition

"? There are multiple instances when defending someone can be scummy. It depends largely on context.

But you have pretty well declared that any and all attempts to defend someone are inherently scummy. Which i find, rightly, ridiculous.
If you try and defend someone, i'll gladly show you what i mean in practical terms, as an example of just HOW ridiculous your comment is.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I don't, as a general rule, apply WIFOM to anything and everything, but this

is

. I wasn't trying to make a big deal out of it, just pointing it out.

Korts, my friend... *sigh*

If you call WIFOM on something as weak as this, it's inconsistent to say that you dont believe defending somebody

by definition

is scummy, or at least logically flawed. Is that what you really believe?

Calling my set of beliefs inconsistent based on this instance is a bit off. Your statement registered as WIFOM. Whether it was

weak

or not, I didn't state, and weak WIFOM or strong WIFOM, it's still WIFOM. WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM. I wonder how many times I'll be using the word WIFOM. WIFOM?

What do you mean by "

by definition

"? There are multiple instances when defending someone can be scummy. It depends largely on context.

But you have pretty well declared that any and all attempts to defend someone are inherently scummy. Which i find, rightly, ridiculous.
If you try and defend someone, i'll gladly show you what i mean in practical terms, as an example of just HOW ridiculous your comment is.

BM

Where did I do exactly that? I just pointed out that the point on which you base q21's pro-townness is subjective at best, and not hard to be considered WIFOM.

I've challenged you to give an example. Then i'll point out where your own logic falls flat.

BM

[Battle Mage]

P.S. Korts:

Skruffs, I don't see it how BM confirmed that the potatoes are in pro-town hands. Could you elaborate?

Not sure if this got answered, but I think it was this:

I'd rather see the potatoes KEPT in the hands of those protown players, until we have some idea of where we are throwing them.

Implying that the hands the potatoes were then in were pro-town.

Not that there's any real point arguing over this, you've taken my comment out of context. The original scenario posed (i believe by Skruffs or possibly Armlx) was that the potatoes were in the hands of the protown players and that we should be throwing them around. My retort was that i'd rather see the protown players with the potatoes keep them until they have some idea about what they want to do with them.

I can stand for a

Vote: TSS

You've been niggling at me all game.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, who have you suspected this game that wasn't a straight up OMGUS? I see 1 vote on q21 and thats it.

It cant be helped if the scum wish to attack me. Null tell, but i appreciate your concern.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'm not all that convinced by TSS's case on Kuribo. The fact is, most of the town has been mainly speculating.

Have they been speculating by just saying things to buck attempts at order?

Well, I think i've been as guilty of that as Kuribo, and yet he's being pushed harder than me. Why is that?

Ftr, i feel M4yhem is playing to his town meta. DGB is playing to her scum meta. Gut feelings ftw!

BM

[Battle Mage]

With Skruffs being dead and town: Would anyone else be so kind and share what he meant with BM's scum meta? Or is everyone clueless on that?

I think dear Skruffikins was overthinking a little bit.
In the past Skruffs has been known to declare saying 'lol' as a scumtell, so who really knows!

BM: Same question: What is DGB's scum meta? Or is it really just gut?

Other than that.. *hop*

vote: tss

(yeah, I'm still bolding it!)

It's not gut. But i cant reference it for obv reasons.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I guess not but 'buck attempts at order' is kind of in the eye of the beholder. I mean, hardly anyone is following the voting plan, for instance.

Thats because a vocal few keep disrupting it.

And

Vote Kuribo, FOS BM

while I'm at it. There was another person that belongs here too (maybe Riceball?) but I don't remember who.

Ok, i think you probably ought to explain yourself.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ok, i think you probably ought to explain yourself.

You threw the potato early in response to my plan, which I have said all game set off alarm bells. I agree with TSS on Kuribo, and as for Riceball the whole "Lets not play mafia" thing was a WTF.

The reason I am voting Kuribo over you is I feel my vote is needed there more to ensure nothing dumb happens.

So basically, the entirety of your suspicion of me focusses around the fact i didnt do what you said? rofl.
Gimme a shout when you remove your head from between your buttocks. In the meantime, i really don't think i can take anything you say seriously. 0.o

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ok, i think you probably ought to explain yourself.

You threw the potato early in response to my plan, which I have said all game set off alarm bells. I agree with TSS on Kuribo, and as for Riceball the whole "Lets not play mafia" thing was a WTF.

The reason I am voting Kuribo over you is I feel my vote is needed there more to ensure nothing dumb happens.

So basically, the entirety of your suspicion of me focusses around the fact i didnt do what you said? rofl.
Gimme a shout when you remove your head from between your buttocks. In the meantime, i really don't think i can take anything you say seriously. 0.o

BM

I don't like "rofl" posts. They're the worst kind of defense you can give.

When you threw that potato at armlx, as he mentioned, were you doing so to spite his plan, or did you find him suspicious for suggesting that plan? Or were you just being silly?

All of the above. No, honestly? I cant even remember. Quote the post if u want, or i'll hook it out in a sec.

BM

[Battle Mage]

So basically, the entirety of your suspicion of me focusses around the fact i didnt do what you said? rofl.

And by doing so you did exactly what kuribo did: try to buck and semblance of order. Only I actually believe what I said enough to hold the potato.

That's nice for you. I've got no issue with you standing by your own beliefs. That is, until you have an issue with my standing by mine.

It's obvious why you are picking on Kuribo instead of me. Because you know the case is bull, and when i DO go down, i go down making a shitload of noise.
If you get me killed, you can be damn sure that won't be the end of it.

I'll look into the specifics of what you are saying in a sec. For the sheer lols and ridicule of your comments.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, the only difference between you and Crazy is that Crazy threw his potato

before

armlx suggested his plan. There's a distinction.

Personally, i dislike the use of plans in games with a different mechanic. More often than not, they are either concieved by scum, or followed by scum, and dissenters (predominantly town) end up getting scapegoated. It allows scum to ride on Armlx's coat-tails, assuming he is town himself. Brings back bad memories... :'(

BM

This post pretty much sums up my thoughts at the time. But because you feel the need to bring up a concept which really irritates me again, i feel like another rant!

First and foremost, why the hell would i want to take

orders

from a guy who is as

unconfirmed

as the rest of ours, and sets out with the objective of

leading the town

?
Anyone can come up with a half-baked scheme. Does that mean suddenly we are all duty-bound to do it? I don't think so buddy!
I think it's pretty obvious why his plan is flawed. Even if it wasn't, the whole idea of mafia is that we have our own opinions. You seem to think that it's a scumtell to not do everything you are told. It's ridiculous, beyond any words. I mean, ffs dude. Do you really think that me not doing what a guy who could just as easily be scum said, is scummy?!

Order is not necessarily bad. But, as i pointed out in the quoted post, it isn't easy to attain in a game of this nature. Certainly, i'm not putting all my eggs in the basket of the majority. Remember, the majority can very easily be pushed around by scum. If we all work as individuals, whilst still taking into account each other's opinions, we will fare alot better.

I'm surprised Armlx suggested something as ill-thought out as this....actually, that's a lie.
It's not even a scumtell that he'd want to lead the town and boss everyone around. But one thing is for damn certain. After playing Ultimatum Mafia, you can bet your ass i'm not investing in any group strategies or half-witted plans concocted by somebody who could be scum themselves. Nor am i going to let other people, again partly comprised of Mafia, decide who i combust in a potatoey mess.

Thats where i stand. At the time, i wasnt being all that serious. It seemed pretty ridiculous that anybody would actually take Armlx's plan seriously, and rather than go on an angry rant, i think i summed up my disapproval pretty succinctly.

Now, Crazy, we come to you. I'm astounded at the irony of YOU being the one to kiss Armlx's ass, when in fact, aside from me, you are the person who i'd say most openly declared their disillusionment with Armlx's plan. Remember that time you threw a potato at me for lols? Yeh, you're a fine one to be giving lectures on systems for using potatoes, when you were the individual Armlx was trying to tackle! Are you seriously trying to tell me that when you lobbed a potato at me for pretty much no reason whatsoever, in the back of your mind, you were thinking "shit, i really wish we had an organised bueraucracy set up in order to co-ordinate our potato throwing. Ah, screw it. HAVE 'AT BM". roflmao!

FoS: Crazy

for outright hypocrisy and buddying up.

I'm not going to condemn Armlx for being arrogant and self-obsessed. That's a personal thing, and not really a scumtell. But i am suspicious of the way he actually seems to believe that everybody who doesn't follow his lead is scum. Or more the fact that he is trying to get those individuals lynched on really shoddy reasoning.

I'm pretty riled up now. So...anyone else wanna have a crack?

BM

[Battle Mage]

a good solution might be to kill Armlx. Regardless of affiliation, it would make me very happy at this point. And it might allow me to give his plan a BIT more credibility if he comes up town.

BM

[Battle Mage]

You just said it right there, Ricetailball.

It's not hot potato, it's hot potato mafia. Your attitude is kind of anti-town.

Vote:Ricetailball

Hey BM, your momma's so fact, she has her own postcode.

So fact? lol

Well, M4yhem, your momma is so fact, she's known by the locals as the 'Walking Planetarium', because she has a centre of gravity so high, that when she goes out, pedestrians (and sometimes, small cars) actually orbit her.

BM

[Battle Mage]

When did I say we shouldn't play mafia? I just said that I saw this as more like hot potato, like it says in the thread title. We can't lynch, so voting is inherently useless. The discussion that is going on is just getting people riled up.

I still think this game is being taken too seriously.

/in.

/out

[Battle Mage]

How do you know my mother?

Wasn't she on that Discovery channel special or something like that?

thats funny. I saw her on the porn channels. Thankfully i'm from Liverpool and the bailiffs seized my tv pretty quickly. 0.o

BM

[Battle Mage]

When did I say we shouldn't play mafia? I just said that I saw this as more like hot potato, like it says in the thread title. We can't lynch, so voting is inherently useless. The discussion that is going on is just getting people riled up.

I still think this game is being taken too seriously.

I agree voting is useless, however not for the reasons stated, I dont think. Time is of the essence. Noone is keeping account of the votes and as not everyone is talking/voting its not worth it.

Anyway I think the mod should know that BM is a high replacement risk due to the amount of knife crime in his area. Yeah ok, so Capital of Culture... however who says they arent reciting poetry when they kill you...

obv I have the right to slag BM off due to where Im situated in regards to him and that he should know its light hearted.

I don't have the faintest idea what you are talking about. 0.o

BM

[Battle Mage]

That said, I doubt we are going to get to the point where we are organized and

people listen to me

anytime soon.

^.^

[Battle Mage]

Your prime suspect is TSS; TSS' prime suspect is you. We don't learn anything new from the to-and-fro lobbing of the potato, since both sides have stated reasons for throwing.

but that's exactly why we DO learn from the lobbing.

That you suspect each other?

and one of them dies. Then we can move on.

Ftr, i really like Kuribo at this point. He is making a ton of sense. I'll swiftly gloss over the fact he is pretty much parroting me. I think he feels town. (partly also because Kuribo scum doesnt post. He merely lurks and gets replaced).

Still happy to see TSS die.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Hmm, i cant even remember the game now. You were definitely scum with me, and you definitely did f**k all....

hmm....

BM

[Battle Mage]

Hmm, i cant even remember the game now. You were definitely scum with me, and you definitely did f**k all....

hmm....

BM

You modded PresidentMaker, and I got called out for lurking and had a total meltdown, at one point refusing even to answer any questions and posting pointless drivel. Then HackerHuck refused to lynch me, the following day, Armlx lynched me, then MafiaPlayer defended me after I was lynched and flipped scum, so Armlx lynched him, and from there he lynched HackerHuck for the bad lynch a few days before.

You and I haven't been scum together that I know of.

Yeh that could be right. >.>

BM

[Battle Mage]

I oppose a STUPID plan that enforces a pointless strategy upon the game.

The stupid plan of voting in an orderly fashion....

NOT EVERYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH YOU IS MAFIA. NOT EVERYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH YOUR STRATEGIES IS MAFIA.

Yes, but those who try to subvert them without offering their own alternatives are likely to be.

I strongly disagree.

How do we know YOU'RE not scum, armlx?

For the purposes of my plan, how does it matter?

Because if you are scum, then your word is not something i'd be willing to follow, ugetme?

BM

[Battle Mage]

We can put 100 fakevotes on you if we want, but I bet you won't hold on to that potato.

If I was town I would. If I was scum and didn't I would expect at least 1 potato to be thrown at me because of it.

wait, so you are saying, if you were town, and you accumulated votes, you would just sit there and die? 0.o

THIS is why i'm not happy taking gameplay advice from you!

BM

[Battle Mage]

No, what you're saying is "The town should do what I say or they're scum."

No, I'm saying that if everyone is voting a pro-town player to the extent they would be lynched they would and should hold onto the potato.

That's RETARDEDLY STUPID. So, if i get say 12 people voting for me, and i have a potato, you want me to hold onto it, till i die? When the alternative is me throwing it at somebody who COULD be scum, and them potentially dying? I really hope your play this game is just some sick joke and tomorrow you will pop out and say "Jk guys, PMS ".

BM

[Battle Mage]

Maybe I'm reading too much into it but the lynch scene makes it sound like he died from inactivity. We are playing under Mr. Nuke All Lurkers after all.

Yeah, that's it. He held onto his potato for 72 hours without tossing it. That

is

inactivity.

Actually, i thought Armlx held onto his potato for longer than 72 hours. Maybe it's just the baked one that has such a time limit.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Armlx- you really want protown players to participate willingly in their own mislynch?

If it is the whim of the majority, it is expected. If you are a vig, and the whole town says self vig tonight to prove it, you do it.

what planet are you from? Self-Vig? 0.o

Confirm Vote: Armlx

I'm completely lost for words.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'd rather be mislynched than shoot myself. At least I'd have an extra chance of shooting scum.

What you are saying here is you think your personal choice of vig shot is going to be more informed and more informative then a town majority......

Yes, yes i do.

Of course a Vig will have more faith in their own shooting ability than the town's lynching ability. The Vig is 100% protown, and is wholly trying to kill scum. The town majority is made up by a percentage of scum- upto 49% of the total players. So yeh, i'd be fine with wasting a lynch in order for me to get another shot. And let's face it, if the town doesnt believe the 'shotgunned' kill method to be a vig, you're hardly going to credit them with much scumhunting ability, are ya?

BM

[Battle Mage]

I've never liked the bully pulpit, especially "You kill who we say you kill, even if it's yourself--- otherwise you must be scum!"

qft. I think if we circulate the potato between you, Armlx and TSS, we'll be fine.

BM

[Battle Mage]

qft. I think if we circulate the potato between you, Armlx and TSS, we'll be fine.

I find this ironic as that was my original plan: nom people to keep passing potatoes to each other.....

Excellent. So you can have your dying wish!

Of course a Vig will have more faith in their own shooting ability than the town's lynching ability. The Vig is 100% protown, and is wholly trying to kill scum. The town majority is made up by a percentage of scum- upto 49% of the total players. So yeh, i'd be fine with wasting a lynch in order for me to get another shot. And let's face it, if the town doesnt believe the 'shotgunned' kill method to be a vig, you're hardly going to credit them with much scumhunting ability, are ya?

what planet are you from? Self-Vig? 0.o

And you call me self centered.....

Playing the marytyr is arrogance nonetheless. And is distinctly anti-town.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Why would you kill yourself, knowing that you are pro-town, when you can throw it to someone who is possibly scum? You are putting your opinion ahead of the town's, because if the town is targetting you, and you are town, then the town is wrong.

Again, if it was a matter of you dying or you not dying and you got to choose, the answer is obvious. But if you act in that manner you will die, just as if the town comes to a majority consensus you should be potatoed you will eventually die in this game. By not self killing / holding the potato, you are only putting the town in a worse situation by making it more difficult for them to move past you as a suspect.

that is REALLY poor logic. I mean, first off, a majority consensus means f all here. Even your buddy TSS isnt backing you here, so if you really want to prove your bs, i'd love to see you put your money where mouth is. Oh, but look! As soon as you get a whiff of that potato, you're tossing it away again!

Let's face it kid, when it comes to ability to argue, you beat me hands down. The reason NOBODY here is taking you seriously? Because you are preaching such utter bs that you make ME seem logical. rofl

BM

[Battle Mage]

Let's try something new.

Gets equipped with Sweet Potato. Fires sweet Potato at Armlx

I don't like being tag-teamed.

Yeh, scumz, stop picking on Kuribo! Give me a taste of the action!

Ftr, in the event of Kuribo dying, i have first refusal on taking his place.
If it's martyr's Armlx wants...

BM

[Battle Mage]

The extra discussion could be helpful

QFT.

i'd love to see you put your money where mouth is. Oh, but look! As soon as you get a whiff of that potato, you're tossing it away again!

I see less votes on me then either TSS or Kuribo.

You yourself said that the number 2 was subject to change in the event of your plan taking place. The fact you are recieving the potato, and are, of late, the player gaining the most heat by far, should, by your own standards, be enough for you to commit suicide.

BM

Ftr, in the event of Kuribo dying, i have first refusal on taking his place. Very Happy

ORLY? I don't think that choice is yours.[/quote]

[Battle Mage]

oops, forgot to respond to the second bit. The choice will be mine because i will get a potato and hurl it at ur smug face. And there's nothing you can do about it!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ricetailball has been at least as unhelpful as kuribo (much more so, I'd say) but you're ignoring her totally. Double standards much?

She has, and I have noted this. Kuribo comes in ahead of Riceball solely due to the fact Riceball offered up the flawed, but existant alternative of just playing hot potato over mafia.

Surely that is exactly what Kuribo is putting into practice? I dont like how you seem to be selecting the minimum number of targets, when a good townie should naturally cast the net wide. And on weak reasoning too.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I see less votes on me then either TSS or Kuribo.

Because the people who agree with me are probably the "fakevoting is pointless" crowd.

fakevote: kuribo

Just so nobody puts me in your "agreeing" crowd.

a vote for Kuribo is not a vote for Armlx or TSS. You have not declared your disagreement with them, hence i must

FoS: Rally Vincent

on grounds of being a snivelling kniving scumbag, siding behind the greater numbers and the louder voices.

[Battle Mage]

She has, and I have noted this. Kuribo comes in ahead of Riceball solely due to the fact Riceball offered up the flawed, but existant alternative of just playing hot potato over mafia.

How is 'playing hot potato' a viable alternative?

How is

VOTING

viable? It's an even bigger waste of time than trying to pass the potatoes around. I still don't know how you can imagine voting ever working in a system like this. The only ones who know they should work as a team are the scum, the rest don't know who they should trust, as they do not have any information about anyone else.
We don't know if the scum have an NK.
There is no lynching mechanism.
This is not kingmaker/executioner.
This is a game of hot potato where there are teams, and one of them knows who their teammates are, the other(s) do not.

M4yhem makes a valid point. I lol'd.

Why would the scum not have an NK? I see no reason to infer this, and it stinks of hidden knowledge. This has been mentioned before now, but who suggested it first?

BM

[Battle Mage]

lol, nice win scum. But srsly- why the hell was DGB not killed after like, day 3?
It was pretty likely at that point that she was scum.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Yeah, great win folks unfortunetly my computer troubles got the best of me in this game...

not to mention the town.