Hot Potato Mafia - Game Over

[Battle Mage]

I don't suggest we throw Potatoes around to work out how they work, if over time we start to see how they work that is a bonus and we can use that knowledge then. I suggest throwing the Potatoes around be cause its the only action that has any real weight behind it. Votes don't have any consequence because he have no real way to put a majority choice into effect. Being in possession of a Potato could lead to death for the possessor and so the passing of Potatoes is something on which we can judge people.

Every time you pass a Potato you should be able to give a reason for your choice of target. As such I'd like to know the reasons for the choice of target from those who have thrown their Potatoes in the last few pages.

:goodposting:

BM

[skitzer]

I don't suggest we throw Potatoes around to work out how they work, if over time we start to see how they work that is a bonus and we can use that knowledge then. I suggest throwing the Potatoes around be cause its the only action that has any real weight behind it. Votes don't have any consequence because he have no real way to put a majority choice into effect. Being in possession of a Potato could lead to death for the possessor and so the passing of Potatoes is something on which we can judge people.

Every time you pass a Potato you should be able to give a reason for your choice of target. As such I'd like to know the reasons for the choice of target from those who have thrown their Potatoes in the last few pages.

:goodposting:

BM

I like this as well. I'm not a fan of the fakevoting, but if you have a potato and you throw it, you better have a reason. I can see how scum are just willing to get rid of a potato in case it blows up.

[Skruffs]

And I can see how, if no scum hvave potatoes (Or have already thrown them) that they would want to keep townies from getting rid of them.Point is, if I get a potato, I am immediately throwin git to the person I think is most suspicious. Whether I give a reason or not, that leaves a valid papertrail. IE scum are goign to more likely throw it to townies, and not each other, because throwing it to each other leads to a much more likely case of fatal bussing rather than quasi distancing.

Again, encouraging people to hold onto an exploding potato "Unless they have a good reason", is, well, encouraging players to be sacrificial.

[skitzer]

And I can see how, if no scum hvave potatoes (Or have already thrown them) that they would want to keep townies from getting rid of them.Point is, if I get a potato, I am immediately throwin git to the person I think is most suspicious. Whether I give a reason or not, that leaves a valid papertrail. IE scum are goign to more likely throw it to townies, and not each other, because throwing it to each other leads to a much more likely case of fatal bussing rather than quasi distancing.

Again, encouraging people to hold onto an exploding potato "Unless they have a good reason", is, well, encouraging players to be sacrificial.

QFT. I shall do the same if I ever get a potato, but I will provide a reason.

[Skruffs]

Skruffs, your speculations assume that all three potatoes are rigged to go off.

Also, how is letting the potatoes stay put any less random a "lynch" than having the potatoes move around?

WHy would assuming otherwise be at all productive?
"Oh there's three grenades here, and all the pins are pulled. I will not assume that all three will explode though."

o.o

I agree with you about the having them stay put, but I am also theorizing on what will set them off. We want to maximize the day but more than that we want to maximize the chance that scum is lynched.

[Battle Mage]

And I can see how, if no scum hvave potatoes (Or have already thrown them) that they would want to keep townies from getting rid of them.Point is, if I get a potato, I am immediately throwin git to the person I think is most suspicious. Whether I give a reason or not, that leaves a valid papertrail. IE scum are goign to more likely throw it to townies, and not each other, because throwing it to each other leads to a much more likely case of fatal bussing rather than quasi distancing.

Again, encouraging people to hold onto an exploding potato "Unless they have a good reason", is, well, encouraging players to be sacrificial.

Happy scumday man. Can i take a wild guess at who you 'think is the most suspicious'?

BM

[Battle Mage]

punishing lurkers in this game will be important, because obviously they will not leave a trail as Skruffs pointed out. Then we are left with active players who we can actually analyse.

BM

[kuribo]

And I can see how, if no scum hvave potatoes (Or have already thrown them) that they would want to keep townies from getting rid of them.Point is, if I get a potato, I am immediately throwin git to the person I think is most suspicious. Whether I give a reason or not, that leaves a valid papertrail. IE scum are goign to more likely throw it to townies, and not each other, because throwing it to each other leads to a much more likely case of fatal bussing rather than quasi distancing.

Again, encouraging people to hold onto an exploding potato "Unless they have a good reason", is, well, encouraging players to be sacrificial.

This seems to me like the best course of action. Throwing all three potatoes to the scummiest person increases the odds that the "scummy person" will simply throw three potatoes at three pro-town targets.

We have to bear in mind: throwing someone a potato is not an instant kill (as in Bad Idea Mafia) but is also potentially handing them a weapon.

[Skruffs]

Do you think Armlx should throw to Porochaz, BM?
You avoided my question: Why aren't you interested in the other two throwing their potatoes as much as you are getting Armlx blown up?

I think you are missing some very obvious points here. Firstly, John is NOT HERE. He won't be throwing his potato until he shows up or gets replaced now, will he? Secondly, I highly doubt Porochaz will listen to anything i have to say.

Completely avoided the question.

Do you think Armlx should throw to Porochaz?

DUDE. TRY READING MY WHOLE POST BEFORE YOU GET A BEE IN YOUR BONNET!

More avoidance of the question?
Your response to "Do you think Armlx should toss to Porochaz" is, "John is not here" and "I doubt Porochaz will listen to what I have to say"... but nothing, no part of your answer, says, "Yes, I think he should" or "No, I think he shouldn't"...
Hmm. Not sure what secret hidden cryptological puzzle you have imbedded in your post, but I Really don't see a valid, direct answer to the questoin.

Now, a few questions for you:

1. Why do you think that it is solely my job to determine who throws potatoes where?

What gives you the impression that I think that?

The fact that you are asking my opinion on what everybody should do with their potatoes. Nobody elses. Just mine. Now, stop completely avoiding the question.

I'm not asking your opinion; you've already given it. I'm asking the basis for your opinion. Why one polayer and not another, why throwing to this player and not another, etcetera. Trying to twist what I am saying and asking you into some sort of ultimatum is pretty last-year's-playstyle for you, BM.

2. Why are you pretending to scumhunt when the majority of us are clearly still in the 'random' stage.

I rarely see townies complain about a random stage being over. Why are you?

What gives you the impression that i am?

If you liked it, you wouldn't be asking me why I was doing it - you would be doing it yourself or encouraging it. But I do like how you returned an answer to me that you yourself claimed was an 'avoiding the question' answer, which was itself a mirror to the FIRST answer you gave me. Now that you have confirmed that you are intentionally avoiding questions I am asking (And for apparently no reason), I am happy to see you baptized in a Trial By Potato.

I wouldnt mind Armlx throwing at Porochaz. It would serve the same end as my suggestion, just with a higher risk, as i'm getting townie vibes from Porochaz atm. And Armlx? hmm, not so much.

BM

How can you be?
We're in the random stage, you can't possibly be scum hunting yet, can you?

Saying someone gives townie vibes isn't scumhunting. It's the converse. Armlx is more, just incorrect. Being wrong is not inherently scummy, but it remains to be seen whether he will continue to be wrong. Continuously misleading the town IS scummy.

That's like saying an insane cop is scummy, if their results lead to lynches. And if you were really against players being wrong, you wouldn't be so brash as to tell other players where to toss their potatoes.

This is pretty defensive for a simple question that you seem to be backtracking pretty hard to avoid answering. If this is the random stage, then you trying to direct Armlx is also random, which means there's no reason for you not to try to direct potatos to and from Porochaz, right?

Eh? 0.o
I dont really understand what you are saying here, but i think i can see where you're heading. If you could be clearer, that might help the both of us.

BM, then tell me, how is it any less random a lynch if the potatoes stay put? Assuming they are currently in the hands of valuable pro-town players, and also assuming that they obey and keep the potatoes like you imply they should, we have no chance of actually hitting scum. If, however, the potatoes are kept in motion, there is some chance that one of them actually asplodes into the face of someone we actually intend to kill.

So...you want a random kill? Are you kidding me!?
Did you actually just say that we should pass the potatoes around, because mathematically, we MIGHT hit scum? 0.o
I'd rather see the potatoes KEPT in the hands of those protown players, until we have some idea of where we are throwing them. I dont mind keeping them moving TOWARDS PEOPLE WE ARE SUSPICIOUS OF. But srsly, it seems atm we are just throwing our spuds around for the lols.

BM

A) Thank you for confirming the potatoes were in pro-town players hands at that time, and for saying you'd rather see a pro-town player die than hopefully hit scum.
B) Potato tossing is the equivalent of putting someone at L-1, with TIME or POST COUNT being the hammer vote. Not passing them is the equivalent of voting suicide and no lynch, if you are town.
C) THrowing potatoes will increase discussion and suspicion, and a thrown townie is more likely to hit scum than a held potato, wether you think scum are bussing or if you think a townie is scumhunting. THe only potatoes that are thrown that are LESS likely to hit scum are hte ones thrown by scum to townies or the ones you tell people to throw, you being scum and all.

BM's scum meta is flourishing. Kill him before he convinces all of you he's too scummy to be scum and winds up winnig as the SK again.

This seems to me like the best course of action. Throwing all three potatoes to the scummiest person increases the odds that the "scummy person" will simply throw three potatoes at three pro-town targets.

Yes, unless the three potatoes combined blow up once they are in proximity to each other. Or if hte post count reaches the right point. Or if ... tec. Regardless, if three people post three reasons for tossing and he posts three reasons for tossing back and the town people can NOT toss it back to him before one of the potatoes explodes, they result as town. A scum has to be offensive more than defensive, he can't OMGUS-toss-back without having a good reason of his own, or else he winds up looking completely scummy and lynched the next day. And no player can be on MScum all the time; just wait until they go to sleep, then toss it to them.

We have to bear in mind: throwing someone a potato is not an instant kill (as in Bad Idea Mafia) but is also potentially handing them a weapon.[/quote]

[PJosarian2]

Potato Tracking Count #6:

• Riceballtail is in possession of a Russet Potato
  
• Armlx is in possession of a Sweet Potato
  
• CoheedCambria09 is in possession of a Baked Yellow Potato

[kuribo]

A scum has to be offensive more than defensive, he can't OMGUS-toss-back without having a good reason of his own, or else he winds up looking completely scummy and lynched the next day.

Sure they can, *we have no reliable way of lynching him.*

You can toss it back to them while they're asleep, but there's no guarantee that they won't just wake up the next morning and throw it again.

[Korts]

Skruffs, I don't see it how BM confirmed that the potatoes are in pro-town hands. Could you elaborate? The other things I can see, at least.

[M4yhem]

Okay, if we're giving reasons for our passes now, which is probably a good idea, I passed my potato to Luigi because he hadn't said much and I wanted to see how he'd react.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

I passed to DGB for the hell of it

(and cos she shares my birthday and there can be only one highlander)

[q21]

And I can see how, if no scum hvave potatoes (Or have already thrown them) that they would want to keep townies from getting rid of them.

Point is, if I get a potato, I am immediately throwin git to the person I think is most suspicious. Whether I give a reason or not, that leaves a valid papertrail

. IE scum are goign to more likely throw it to townies, and not each other, because throwing it to each other leads to a much more likely case of fatal bussing rather than quasi distancing.

Again, encouraging people to hold onto an exploding potato "Unless they have a good reason", is, well, encouraging players to be sacrificial.

If you think someone is suspicious you must have a reason to think that, right? I didn't mean that every toss of the Potato has to be accompanied by a detailed analysis and reasoning (not that there's anything wrong with that), but there should be some reasoning behind where people pass their Potatoes and they should state that.

If needing to give a reason for your target makes you take a minute to think about where you send the spud then I think that's a good thing.

[Riceballtail]

I place the russet potato into my potato cannon and fire it towards q21

As promised...

[Crazy]

Earlier Skruffs was saying that we should hold on to our potatoes to make sure they don't explode too fast.

Now he says if he's ever passed one, he'll throw it immediately?

[JohnWWells]

A super-active scum who always throws the potatoes back and lurks constantly is theoretically unkillable here, if we assume the potatoes are on a timer rather than a toss-counter.

Incidentally, I wonder if it's possible to get someone to

eat their potato.

[the silent speaker]

Skruffs and M4yhem are correct. Battle Mage is wrong and possibly scum for it; seriously, man, are you saying that pro-town players should hold onto the only lynching mechanism in the game?

There should be more Kuribo hate.

[PJosarian2]

Potato Tracking Count #7:

• q21 is in possession of a Russet Potato
  
• Armlx is in possession of a Sweet Potato
  
• CoheedCambria09 is in possession of a Baked Yellow Potato

[Luigi Gangsta]

I defnately think that holding on to a potato won't help the town, you will just end up dying from an exploding potato while trying to decide who to throw it to.

I threw my potato to DBE for fun.

I agree with the idea of passing to someone you think is scummy, next time i get a potato i will have a better reason to throw it.

[Crazy]

Despite all this, I think we should still vote/fakevote. If we don't do that, how are we going to put pressure on anyone?

[PJosarian2]

Note: Two posts by Wall-E have just been deleted.

[M4yhem]

There should be more Kuribo hate.

Why?

[Battle Mage]

Do you think Armlx should throw to Porochaz, BM?
You avoided my question: Why aren't you interested in the other two throwing their potatoes as much as you are getting Armlx blown up?

I think you are missing some very obvious points here. Firstly, John is NOT HERE. He won't be throwing his potato until he shows up or gets replaced now, will he? Secondly, I highly doubt Porochaz will listen to anything i have to say.

Completely avoided the question.

Do you think Armlx should throw to Porochaz?

DUDE. TRY READING MY WHOLE POST BEFORE YOU GET A BEE IN YOUR BONNET!

More avoidance of the question?
Your response to "Do you think Armlx should toss to Porochaz" is, "John is not here" and "I doubt Porochaz will listen to what I have to say"... but nothing, no part of your answer, says, "Yes, I think he should" or "No, I think he shouldn't"...
Hmm. Not sure what secret hidden cryptological puzzle you have imbedded in your post, but I Really don't see a valid, direct answer to the questoin.

OMFG. I dont even know why i'm dignifying such blatant playing dumb with a response. I cant bottle-feed you for the entire game Skruffs. If you seriously scan every post you try to criticise, you'll NEVER get a good outlook on the game. I've already answered your question, and if you'd been reading properly, you'd see it. I suggest you reread my recent posts and then you can come back and apologise for making a fool of yourself and irritating me.

Now, a few questions for you:

1. Why do you think that it is solely my job to determine who throws potatoes where?

What gives you the impression that I think that?

The fact that you are asking my opinion on what everybody should do with their potatoes. Nobody elses. Just mine. Now, stop completely avoiding the question.

I'm not asking your opinion; you've already given it. I'm asking the basis for your opinion. Why one polayer and not another, why throwing to this player and not another, etcetera. Trying to twist what I am saying and asking you into some sort of ultimatum is pretty last-year's-playstyle for you, BM.

You still haven't answered my question. Why are you apparently trying to attack me, whilst completely ignoring everybody else?

2. Why are you pretending to scumhunt when the majority of us are clearly still in the 'random' stage.

I rarely see townies complain about a random stage being over. Why are you?

What gives you the impression that i am?

If you liked it, you wouldn't be asking me why I was doing it - you would be doing it yourself or encouraging it. But I do like how you returned an answer to me that you yourself claimed was an 'avoiding the question' answer, which was itself a mirror to the FIRST answer you gave me. Now that you have confirmed that you are intentionally avoiding questions I am asking (And for apparently no reason), I am happy to see you baptized in a Trial By Potato.

Lol, so because i'm far from impressed by your poorly thought out, and ill-timed attempt to attack me, you are happy to see me die? Jesus christ, that is poor. Forget me for a second. You have declared somebody scum when we have barely started. And why? Because you immediately jumped on them, they argued back, and you tunnel-visioned them ever since. And you're surprised that i'm unimpressed by your play? Even if i was scum, the fact is, you have no case whatsoever, and appear to be making this game into a personal affair as opposed to an objective game. Hell, i may have been a little hard on Armlx so far, but i haven't gone as far as to say that he's definite scum. Equally, i'm still unsure about your affiliation. I think it's more likely than not that your attack on me is merely a personal thing. You jump at shadows from me, in the desperate hope that you can get me lynched as scum. It's a null tell i guess. Although the fact you are hurting the game by trying to kill someone for personal reasons rather than for game-related things, and are trying to kill someone because YOU made a mistake, is not helping the town, and thus, scummy. Now we've just got to try and judge whether you are a foolish townie, or an exceptionally arrogant scumbag.

I wouldnt mind Armlx throwing at Porochaz. It would serve the same end as my suggestion, just with a higher risk, as i'm getting townie vibes from Porochaz atm. And Armlx? hmm, not so much.

BM

How can you be?
We're in the random stage, you can't possibly be scum hunting yet, can you?

Saying someone gives townie vibes isn't scumhunting. It's the converse. Armlx is more, just incorrect. Being wrong is not inherently scummy, but it remains to be seen whether he will continue to be wrong. Continuously misleading the town IS scummy.

That's like saying an insane cop is scummy, if their results lead to lynches.[/quote]

Umm, no. An insane cop does not DELIBERATELY mislead the town. There's a discernible difference.

And if you were really against players being wrong, you wouldn't be so brash as to tell other players where to toss their potatoes.

Lol, how quaint. You ask me to tell someone where to toss their potatoes, i do so, and then you call it a scumtell? Are you for real?? 0.o

This is pretty defensive for a simple question that you seem to be backtracking pretty hard to avoid answering. If this is the random stage, then you trying to direct Armlx is also random, which means there's no reason for you not to try to direct potatos to and from Porochaz, right?

Eh? 0.o
I dont really understand what you are saying here, but i think i can see where you're heading. If you could be clearer, that might help the both of us.

did you deliberately neglect to answer this question?

BM, then tell me, how is it any less random a lynch if the potatoes stay put? Assuming they are currently in the hands of valuable pro-town players, and also assuming that they obey and keep the potatoes like you imply they should, we have no chance of actually hitting scum. If, however, the potatoes are kept in motion, there is some chance that one of them actually asplodes into the face of someone we actually intend to kill.

So...you want a random kill? Are you kidding me!?
Did you actually just say that we should pass the potatoes around, because mathematically, we MIGHT hit scum? 0.o
I'd rather see the potatoes KEPT in the hands of those protown players, until we have some idea of where we are throwing them. I dont mind keeping them moving TOWARDS PEOPLE WE ARE SUSPICIOUS OF. But srsly, it seems atm we are just throwing our spuds around for the lols.

BM

A) Thank you for confirming the potatoes were in pro-town players hands at that time, and for saying you'd rather see a pro-town player die than hopefully hit scum.

Yeh that's exactly what i did Skruffs. Wow, you're good at this game. I expect you'll have it cracked by the end of Day 1! [/sarcasm]

B) Potato tossing is the equivalent of putting someone at L-1, with TIME or POST COUNT being the hammer vote. Not passing them is the equivalent of voting suicide and no lynch, if you are town.

Wow man. You really expect people to take you seriously when you try to lead the town without reading the game? We've already established a third factor to the potatoes, which is NUMBER OF TOSSES. Not passing them, is the equivalent of WAITING UNTIL YOU ARE SURE BEFORE KILLING SOMEONE.

C) THrowing potatoes will increase discussion and suspicion, and a thrown townie is more likely to hit scum than a held potato, wether you think scum are bussing or if you think a townie is scumhunting. THe only potatoes that are thrown that are LESS likely to hit scum are hte ones thrown by scum to townies or the ones you tell people to throw, you being scum and all.

lol. Methinks you doth protest too much! Not to mention, you blatantly ignored the second scenario, which indicates you aren't even paying enough attention to your accusations to present them in a sensible way. Dude, if you're gonna feed the town BS, you need to at least wrap it up nicely!

BM's scum meta is flourishing. Kill him before he convinces all of you he's too scummy to be scum and winds up winnig as the SK again.

Lol, sorry folks i guess i spoilt the ending. The Skruffs OMGUS attack returns for yet another unwanted sequel.

BM