Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

Titus · Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:31 pm

In post 7970, Krazy wrote:
In post 7964, Firebringer wrote:Mastina role is self resolving so I really think the wagon on her is stupid
Except she's not self-resolving

All bodyguards are

Titus · Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:32 pm

In post 7968, Firebringer wrote:
In post 7965, Formerfish wrote:
In post 7963, Titus wrote:Scum do not claim self resolving roles in 99% of cases.
Is that why I end up dying each time i fake a doc claim as scum? Fuck.
Btw I claim self resolving roles as scum, Titus
And gotten away with it

Not a good argument

Fire, you held the game hostage to where I can't lynch high priority scum like Maria. Don't lecture me on a good argument.

My cranky ass needs sleep.

Titus · Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:42 pm

Krazy,

The arguments you present are strawmen.

Sure Pine could tell mastina to game throw. Sure that's theoretically possible. So is everyone in the game suddenly kissing my feet. Both are equally likely.

Mastina isn't scum. I will never vote mastina this game. I'd self vote first.

Titus · Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:43 pm

In post 7982, Dannflor wrote:regardless of mastina's alignment her claim isn't truly self resolving though just because of the possibility of roleblockers and other roles tho

That would be stupid unbalanced here.

That's a scum sales tactic.

Titus · Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:49 pm

In post 7986, Dannflor wrote:a roleblocker would be stupid unbalanced?

I don't know how you say that given how little we know about the setup

We know masons, we know power in one shot roles. We think a vig.

If scum could roleblock the gift recipients, that mechanic has no point. If scum could roleblock smart vigs, we'd have essentially two scum kills every run of this setup.

While I don't know roles, roleblocker would be stupid.

Titus · Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:53 pm

In post 7990, Dannflor wrote:also the reason chennis has scum equity is because we basically beetlejuice him anytime anyone hints any significant amount of pressure towards him

he's only in the thread to defend himself

and despite having an above average presence for him over the 2nd half of this game day he hasn't even laid down his vote or expressed who he'd liked lynched

the shade towards SS is NAI by itself, but it's emblematic of how he's not looking to play the game, he's looking to not get lynched and continue this disinterested play style in the hopes he'll get town read for it

he's not actually trying to play the game and help people solve his slot, and I struggle to see town motivation for that, I can think of scum motivation for that

it's scum and not town flavored survivalism

Granted, I'm not as sure of Chennis as I am of Krazy, but I'll get to that in a bit

+1

Gn

Titus · Sat Sep 28, 2019 9:21 pm

I'll be really apathetic if we don't get a lynch on anyone soon.

Also can you guys add me on TFT? TrenchcoatTitus. I haven't been on since I separated from my husband but I plan to be back.

Titus · Sat Sep 28, 2019 9:30 pm

The in game reason is that MariaR is scum. Krazy is p scum. Mastina is town. Chenn is probably scum. Pink Ball might be scum.

We all fucking agree. Just people kept throwing a tantrum and parking on mastina because she claimed bodyguard and scum really want that lynch. I can only cooperate so much to get a decent wagon going.

Titus · Sun Sep 29, 2019 11:35 am

Mastina plus one more and the day ends.

Ty guys.

Titus · Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:22 pm

Still l minus 2

Titus · Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:01 pm

Chennis is L minus 1

Titus · Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:46 pm

We got a scum. Mastina's alive. We're good so far, now just to close out.

Titus · Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:56 pm

In post 8207, Alisae wrote:Oh whatever yay I turn 21 in like
8 hours!
Yaaaaaaaaaaaay!

Happy birthday.

Suggestions for my hood target?

Titus · Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:52 pm

Pops, sorry for vigging you in Magical Girls. I had GiF send you a message on it. Basically 2 vigs meant the redirector dies. :/ It was nothing you did.

Titus · Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:07 pm

I think pops is drunk

Titus · Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:11 pm

Popsicles are the best sugar water

Titus · Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:38 pm

I'm out for awhile Krazy. No space for my gaming rig.

Celebrate by letting Alisae win one for me.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:59 am

I was not roleblocked. I would not like to announce my hood target unless Ali says I need to.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:04 am

VOTE: MariaR

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:16 am

In post 8275, Alisae wrote:
In post 8268, Titus wrote:I was not roleblocked. I would not like to announce my hood target unless Ali says I need to.
its who I told you to hood right
Or did you never get that
I’m assuming you got that

Never got it.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:17 am

If you need to know but only you, send me a code through Jingle and I can tell you.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:24 am

In post 8283, Firebringer wrote:
In post 8277, popsofctown wrote:Firebringer are you going to demand a lynch pool today?
No I give up on everyone here

If you're town can you please stop demoralizing people. K. Thx.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:36 am

In post 8295, the worst wrote:
In post 8276, Dannflor wrote:Duck, why did you flip your read on Mastina?

I thought you said she stepped out of her scumrange?
I had another look at her posts and can't really remember why I thought that

the m.o. of
> coast til pushed
> start generating content at lightspeed
> push someone vulnerable (unsure of krazzy's alignment)
> keep generating content but not actually try to get very very strong scumread lynched

is ringing alarm bells. Mastina like. really really wants to be alive here.

Dude, that's not mastina's play at all.

Krazy wasn't vulnerable at all. If he was, he would have gotten lynched.

Mastina NEVER compromised off of Krazy even when I begged. She obsessed on him.

This is literal falsehoods.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:37 am

In post 8296, Alisae wrote:
In post 8292, Pine wrote:
In post 8289, Alisae wrote:
In post 8287, Titus wrote:
In post 8283, Firebringer wrote:
In post 8277, popsofctown wrote:Firebringer are you going to demand a lynch pool today?
No I give up on everyone here
If you're town can you please stop demoralizing people. K. Thx.
he’s not having fun
There’s a bunch of people not having fun.

Stop it. Most of you aren’t having fun because you’re off playing your own little solo game. This is a social game. Be social. Play the game that Jingle and I have lovingly crafted for you.
he’s not having fun because I marginalized him all game, and he was marginalized for wanting to be heard. He was so desperate for wanting to be heard that he decided to make a deal with the devil and obtain governor fruit. He was marginalized for that as well.

This is too generous. Fire was marginalized for trying to dictate the game. When he didn't get his way, he poured. It's a tantrum.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:40 am

I am not sure if Fire's scum or not, but I have zero interest in coddling. The emotion is real and NAI.

Let's play mafia and start by lynching MariaR today. Who is with me?

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:42 am

In post 8306, Alisae wrote:Lynch maria for what?

Being transparent scum.

Look at her interactions with me. ISO us together. She resists any urge to justify her positions but insists I vote mastina.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:48 am

In post 8315, Alisae wrote:
In post 8314, popsofctown wrote:VOTE: mastina

This game isn't a complete disaster, I've enjoyed it.
I fail to see how anyone could enjoy this game tbh

Ali, we're going to need to have a talk about leadership.

I'm having fun.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:49 am

In post 8316, Alisae wrote:People don’t want to work together anymore, people don’t want to be nice to each other anymore and treat people like decent people, people want to go out of their way to put down others, or how about insult them?

Follow me down the Titus brick road. We'll have fun and lynch scum. K?

Why don't we all try to limit ourselves to 20 posts per day?

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:58 am

In post 8314, popsofctown wrote:VOTE: mastina

This game isn't a complete disaster, I've enjoyed it.

Pops join me on MariaR.

If she flips town, I'll vote mastina tomorrow.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:58 am

Pretty sure we have a mob doctor. That explains the vig no kill. Fire was the obvious mob doctor shot.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:03 am

@Pops 8311

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:06 am

In post 8325, the worst wrote:think it's fair to say towns winning these games is a gargantuan task: last game Elli all but delivered the scumteam on a silver platter, and one wildly anti-meta scumpick saved scum the game. like, the mafia gods curse pine's opponents. just have fun. mafia is a deep hobby but it's just a game.

+1
But I am in. All the way.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:11 am

In post 8327, Firebringer wrote:
In post 8322, Titus wrote:Pretty sure we have a mob doctor. That explains the vig no kill. Fire was the obvious mob doctor shot.
What

Fire, your presence lording over us with the governor greatly derailed town. You were straight up the obvious big shot. NAI, I would put a mob doc on you.

Come join me on MariaR. Let's lynch scum.

MariaR literally avoids and refuses to give an opinion on anything.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:11 am

*supported opinion

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:13 am

In post 8334, the worst wrote:wait that's your take? I felt like she felt suddenly unnaturally switched on

She suddenly was vocal about her opinion but she NEVER provided reasoning or refuted mine.

She was awake but with fingers in her ears.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:24 am

In post 8337, popsofctown wrote:I don't think there's any universe where MariaR and mastina are scum together.

And I'm very unconvinced mastina will flip green.

So I'm very uninterested in a MariaR lynch.

The worst drawing the opposite conclusion is concerning to me.

Pops, you seem to be on the wrong conclusions.

There's zero universe, regardless of mastina and Krazy's alignment, where a town player would have a reason less conclusion to vote a bodyguard.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:51 am

In post 8341, mastina wrote:
In post 8238, Dannflor wrote:
In post 7651, Formerfish wrote:SS
FF

Ice
Pops
Fire
Mastina
Dann

Titus
Gamma
PB
Maria
Krazy

Kat
worst
Mena

Icon
PP
Chenny

27 players to start with, 2 stumped.

1 lynched scum, a Hider, Desperado and 4 VTs have died.

So thats what 13-5?
FF's last read list as far as I can tell

Even if he wasn't killed for reads or wasn't suspected to be the vig PP looks like a good lynch
PP is a good lynch because:
-pine cannot lie about the fruits
-pine gave a jk fruit to pp
-pp jail keeping the Vig target is the Occam's razor explanation for the missing kill (there's other explanations, obv, but all of them are less likely, can cover why in a bit)
-and pp jking the Vig target would indicate that he's scum.

I'll vote there happily especially since I already scumread the slot, but prefer Krazy for the reasons I will give when able to.

Occam's razor is actually mob doc and that clears you.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:06 am

Pine: Which players are ineligible to bargain?

MariaR, yeah more pointless words.

I think Pine's lying about the major wagons.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:23 am

In post 8410, Menalque wrote:SS, you around? I wanna talk to someone who’s conf!town because I’m kinda gearing up to a couple of possible teams but idk if I’m reaching or not

If you're seeing two camps, you're not reaching.

You could argue divide and conquer or teams but it's not a reach

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:22 am

@Melanque, I can answer that if you'd like.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:23 am

In post 8425, Menalque wrote:
In post 8420, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 8410, Menalque wrote:SS, you around? I wanna talk to someone who’s conf!town because I’m kinda gearing up to a couple of possible teams but idk if I’m reaching or not
I'm around now but liable to be absolutely useless. You can bounce ideas off of me though. What's up?
I’m not sure if I’m being paranoid but I was kinda wondering if the team could be something like mastina, dann, Titus, ducky +1

But also if it’s something like fb, pops, maria, krazy +1

Like there’s about 70 pages that I didn’t read D3 and that I’m not gonna read unless I end up with the deciding vote in lylo

Do those two blocs make sense to you? It feels like they’ve been pushing in different directions, but idk who to go with

The fact that it’s not mylo makes me feel better about the first group being town, but there were some things that pinged me, like dann’s entrance today. I felt like he was softing support for lynching in the bottom end of ff’s list which is where I am, but that he didn’t wanna do that outright?

Idk where I am with mastina and the worst. I don’t like that mastina isn’t dead, but I can see why scum would keep her alive for WIFOM. Also, why would they not just strongman you (which I think would leave mastina alive?). Although the more I think about it, the more I think pine doesn’t necessarily kill you even though you’re conf!town. This is based on being scum with him in ruby where we argued about killing conf!town vs killing those who can influence town and he came down strongly on the side of killing those who interfere with scum’s ability to control the game. I don’t see why his logic would be different for this game, so I think it stil holds that he would do that.

Which brings me back to wondering if that group could be my preference for the scum team. I’m really struggling to put my finger on it, but I feel kind of like there is a cohesion in their approach to the game (who’s defending who, who’s pushing where) that is more likely to come from scum than town. Whereas the other group, while I think I individually townread every player less, seem more to me like people who are kind of figuring their way through things and ending up at a point where they’re working together.

So, I think maybe I needed to write this out more than talk to you specifically maybe, but that’s kinda where I’m at. I think I’m leaning that first group as being scum

Is there anything you see that seems radically flawed here?

VOTE: mastina

I agree but you're siding with the wrong team.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:42 am

In post 8439, Menalque wrote:
In post 8436, Titus wrote:@Melanque, I can answer that if you'd like.
Go ahead.

Like I said, I’m very unsure here. Why do you think I’m getting the impression that there’s a cohesion between you/mastina/dann/ducky (which I also felt regarding dann/ducky earlier in the game only to soften on it after interacting with them both directly) but a kind of subtle one?

Well, I was referring to the meta question but they are related. Titus!scum is known as a mama hen. Titus scum prefers the sidelines. Town Titus prefers to lead or ensure competent leadership. Town Titus objects to suboptimal plays. Scum Titus relishes them.

Mastina and I are both analytical players. We process games in similar if then else ways. If mastina and I can't figure out where we disagree, high odds one is scum.

As for the group as a whole, the votes have divided that way for ages. Look at the major wagons. The divisions are obvious.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:56 am

MariaR, the scumreads aren't on you for trying. They're for the bullshit vapid posts you've been putting up. Lynch mastina because she's scum. She's scum bc Krazy's town. Why is Krazy town bc mastina's scum. Circle jerk.

What are your reads?

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:02 pm

I bargain for one fruit today, if it was already being planned to be offered today, Pine's choice but he has to tell me what fruit I am bargaining for.

I offer a post restriction.

@Melanque, I understand. I'm going to see what Pine's reply to this is. If I was here at the start, I might have the same sentiment. But I think we need information here.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:04 pm

MariaR being abusive doesn't help.

What's your reads?

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:06 pm

In post 8476, MariaR wrote:What have I said that's even remotely abusive?

Nearly all of 8473. Agree with me or you're basic. The cursing. The egg litism.

If you're so good, you can give reads.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:13 pm

In post 8482, MariaR wrote:
In post 8478, Titus wrote:
In post 8476, MariaR wrote:What have I said that's even remotely abusive?
Nearly all of 8473. Agree with me or you're basic. The cursing. The egg litism.

If you're so good, you can give reads.
I'm not saying any of that Titus. Saying your way of reading me is basic isn't an insult. It's true but not an insult. Because of it wasn't basic you would be doing the things you should be doing. No one here who scumreads me has. Not you, not mena, not ducky. No one. I'm no god tier player not even close but at least if I scumread people I can give more reason then 'they're trying' I've given reads and you're not reading. Do not ask me for something again until you read my posts. It's a waste of space and clutter on the page that I don't feel the need to deal with.

No saying we need to look more at PP and PB isn't a read. It just isn't.

You resist content at every turn.

Just each player and if they're town scum or null.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:25 pm

In post 8490, MariaR wrote:Titus if you do what I asked for and give me a solid read and go read my posts today. Not the basic thing you just did. I will post you a full reads list.
Now if you'll excuse me I've posted too much today so I'm gonna lurk so I don't upset Ali Pine and Jingle

I gave a solid read on you. I have given a read on the game state. I read your posts, which is why I can say their deficient.

I have highlighted why mastina is town. The scum strategy is to lynch her.

SS/Titus - Duh
Mastina - Obvious town bg, similar mindset
The worst - Has a similar apathetic waffling
Melanque - Has a similar group campaign view (did the social analysis)
Dann - Feels very similar to the last game we played (Magical girls)

GreyICE - These two are stale TRs
Katsuki
Pops - These two have strategic equity but not quite sure
Krazy

---- Line of I'll jump no questions asked.

Gamma - Lacks influence and effort
Fire -Governor/hostage taking
Pp - lurker

PB
MariaR

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:30 pm

I don't care what MariaR is thrilled with.

Pops, it means your play is anti-town as fuck but your tone is moderate so I can't tell if agency captured or scum.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:31 pm

MariaR is fully capable of doing what I just did. Stop letting her hide Pops.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:36 pm

In post 8502, popsofctown wrote:MariaR doesn't really like giving player by player readslists, I've never seen her do it.

The "deal" she offered seems fair if you really want her to do one. Spoiler a mega post that actually sifts through her iso and analyzes what her goals are.

I already read every post she has. I'm not clogging up the thread with noise to say the same damn thing. MariaR is vapid.

I should know. I went to her house and saw no evidence of scumhunting.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:02 pm

In post 8505, Menalque wrote:
In post 8492, Pink Ball wrote:@Pine you didn't have problems the first time Ali leashed the fruit bargains, why are you being so adamant to it now? You're trying to leash it yourself by only offering fruit for the low posters.
I doubt scum!PB makes this post

I think he does. It's mechanics talk and out of character for PB. I think Pine's using PB to make a point.

Unless you want to chat, I'm going to duck out for a bit and prep for my meeting at 7.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:08 pm

In post 8459, MariaR wrote:The scumreads on me are stupid. No one has given reason why I'm scum besides the fact. 'Maria started trying' A) Anyone who has played a game with me and guess what every one of you have. Knows that the levels of effort I put in the game are the most NAI thing in history. B) None of your basic ass people even did the most logical thing.

No. My scumread is because you refuse to give any substantiated reads or a read wall. This post reeks of more whining despite me giving you a way out showing how simple a basic readwall is.

Let's say you scumread me for trying let's look at the post I started 'trying' at #7241 Where I wanted to go choo choo on mastina. Now let me ask you. Why? Why does scum me start trying at that time to push mastina. It's not like anyone wanted to lynch me. The max number of votes at the time was 2. So pop quiz! Why does scum maria do this? Anyone who scumreads me should be able to answer this since your read is so well thought out. If you can't take a look in the mirror and go 'Am I being stupid?'

Because mastina's a bodyguard and scum benefit? Second, the opposing wagon was on scum probably too. Krazy was being counterwagoned. You tried PP but had a conversation in the scum PT about mastina. Somehow you felt you were never getting lynched despite refusing to follow basic fucking requests. Maybe...it's because you're scum.

I don't mind valid scumreads on me. In fact, it's super fun to engage with them. But when I hear I'm scum for 'trying' that's the most bs thing I've ever heard
pedit: I've made it openly clear that I'm only taking the fruit so no one elses uses it. I'm not gonna use the fruit so scum don't get anything. Unless that's not how it works and I'm mistaken. Your reaction is overblown calm your ass down.
Hey Pine wanna clarify for me? <3

Blahnik blahnik lies

If you're taking it so no one else gets it, you wait until EoD.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:11 pm

In post 8534, popsofctown wrote:We need help.

This game needs help.

And I think a big factor in play is that Pine has drafted people who can sculpt the dialogue.

No. It's just town refuse to fucking compromise and work with townreads.

Then there's a shit ton of lurkers which is the only thing we might lynch without a ton of in fighting.

I am pretty transparent. If your name isn't in my top 4, I'd lynch you push comes to shove.

We have to stop waiting for perfect and start playing.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:23 pm

Ok Gamma's vla.

OOG: Those of you who can, check out the general discussion thread, Panic in Baton Rouge. I'm in no situation to help Varsoona out, but maybe y'all are.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:41 pm

In post 8552, the worst wrote:ok but which people are only posting when they need to be townread then lurking

GreyIce, Katsuki, PP, and PB come to mind. I would have put in Gamma but he gets an RL pass.

Titus · Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:42 pm

In post 8551, Dannflor wrote:it's kinda fine because gamma is town

but I feel like we have to many consensus town that just aren't playing the game for varying reasons and I don't think that's good for the game state

Titus, can you break down what exactly the two factions you're seeing are? Because I'm not seeing anything near as clear cut as that

Mastina/The worst/me/you

FB/pops/maria/Krazy

Titus · Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:28 am

@Melanque, What are the odds in your opinion of me being wrong town?

Also, now that Maria posted her read wall, I have a theory if she flips scum. Icon is possible scum in it, but that's the only uncertain category.

Titus · Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:34 am

Let's apply the rule of 3 to this.

We get

1 of pops Krazy or FB. My money is on Krazy or FB based on today. Krazy might be RL vanished.
1 of Gamma or Katsuki. Katsuki could be a coast after bussing. Gamma seems to be trying.
1 of this category but not Dann.
Penguin Power

Spoiler: Guess

In post 8566, MariaR wrote:

Something_Smart
popsofctown
Krazy
Firebringer

Titus
Gamma Emerald
Katsuki

GreyICE
Menalque
Dannflor
Pink Ball
Iconeum

PenguinPower
the worst
mastina

Titus · Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:46 am

P-edit, just saw my notes 6 scum alive, so there's likely 1 more scum in GI, Mena and PB. My money is PB there.

Titus · Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:46 am

In post 8702, Krazy wrote:Ali are you allowed to make deals?

Haaaaaay! *waves*

Titus · Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:55 am

Good night again. Sleep and work for this insomniac.

Titus · Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:44 am

VOTE: Icon

That reads list is terrible.

Titus · Fri Oct 04, 2019 6:40 am

Pops, you can join us on icon and watch the reactions?

Titus · Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:05 pm

I hate to do this publicly but I voted icon on the last page. Please fix the VC.

Titus · Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:25 am

Mastina? Can we stop with the 1 v 1, please?

Titus · Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:38 am

In post 8762, Menalque wrote:Titus what was the rule of 3 thing you were talking about the other page or so?

When scum put together a readwall with three or more people in a category, there tends to be at least one scum in each category. It's not 100% valid, but it's very likely true.

So in a setup like this, when players give a readwall, you can work through it to see buddies.

This can be reinforced by playstyle.

For instance, if MariaR flipped scum, the next place to look is PP. Why? Because PP is at the bottom of her reads list but she never mentions him without another target. For instance, the bottom tier has the worst/mastina/PP. At the start of the day, she vaguely says people like PP and PB need more pressure but blindly follows the same 1 v 1.

So even without words, scum can lead to buddies.

Given Pine is here and he's partially aware of the rule, it wouldn't have 100% reliability but it's good to start.

Titus · Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:38 am

I'm not saying scum Titus is incapable or never takes leadership, just that she prefers not to (but for her pt). Scum Titus prefers to take a backseat but she can take charge if the situation requires it.

Titus · Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:39 am

Plus that meta is 4 years old. How did you "just come across it?"

Titus · Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:17 am

In post 8800, Krazy wrote:
In post 8798, popsofctown wrote:Dannflor I don't ever want to lynch
when did this happen?

Krazy what are your thoughts on Melanque and his recent questioning of me?

Titus · Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:52 pm

Ali, can we please move away and towards some mutual SRs please,

Titus · Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:02 pm

Pine, what would you want to give me the vig?

Titus · Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:23 pm

Bargain: Vig

Titus · Sat Oct 05, 2019 5:09 pm

@Pine,

MariaR, Krazy, Pink Ball, PP, Iconeum

That's a short but not locked list

Titus · Sat Oct 05, 2019 5:15 pm

In post 8958, Dannflor wrote:
In post 8953, Titus wrote:@Pine,

MariaR, Krazy, Pink Ball, PP, Iconeum

That's a short but not locked list
I like the Ico, PP, and PB solve

really ?? on the Maria scum reads and I'm warming up on Krazy

Well I think ppl might get pissed if I shoot GreyIce or Katsuki.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:05 am

In post 9004, Alisae wrote:
In post 8999, Firebringer wrote:I am def not govern a lynch on iconeum. He is in my null list? Why do you think he is town?
its moreso I think Dannflor's push is waaaaaay more scummier then Iconeum and I don't want him to be the lynch. He's wagon currently is like, identical to chennisden's, and that formation always lynches a townie

No. The chennisden lynch scum didn't want because it wasn't mastina.

Everytime I get a decent lynch wagon going, you come in and go after obvious town. Both choices today are town. I hate to go against you like this but you literally refuse to work with me.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:17 am

In post 9008, Alisae wrote:
In post 9006, Titus wrote:
In post 9004, Alisae wrote:
In post 8999, Firebringer wrote:I am def not govern a lynch on iconeum. He is in my null list? Why do you think he is town?
its moreso I think Dannflor's push is waaaaaay more scummier then Iconeum and I don't want him to be the lynch. He's wagon currently is like, identical to chennisden's, and that formation always lynches a townie
No. The chennisden lynch scum didn't want because it wasn't mastina.
excuse me
But um
What?

The way scum prioritize lynches is

1) Mastina bc bg
2) Active vocal town
3) Lurker town
4) Themselves

With mastina alive, scum cannot kill SS/me. If mastina gets lynched, they can RIP through conftown like no one's business. This is why you don't lynch a bg claim if it's scumhunting. My patience with mastina in the silly one v one is waining but I'm p sure she's town.

Then there's the town block, which has been your second priority for some reason.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:19 am

Ali, I see town failing to lynch scum!Krazy/town!Krazy because you vetoed it so we went to lurker Chennisden. Unless you think Gamma scum, the Chennis wagon is pure in the first few slots.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:27 am

In post 9017, Alisae wrote:Ok but lets take a look at the specifics of D3’s EoD
Mastina and chennis were both VERY lynchable, the day could have ended REASONABLY with any one of those slots lynched.
let’s say they’re both town
If mastina is scum, wouldn’t it just make more sense to lynch chennis?
If mastina is town and is a BG, wouldn’t it make more sense to just try to lynch Chennis?

Yes, yes. If mastina is scum, scum wouldn't want to lynch her.

Scum gave up on lynching her because town didn't want it.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:32 am

In post 9019, the worst wrote:chennisden (10):
Something_Smart,
Gamma Emerald,
Formerfish, Titus,
PenguinPower,
Dannflor,
Pink Ball,
the worst,
Menalque,
MariaR,

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:45 am

Katsuki might be town, but he's done jackshit since I got here but sit on obvious town. GreyIce hasn't even done that.
MariaR has unjustifiable positions. Flat out. She's scum.
FB might be town. He might be scum. His tone is not faked. People are not having fun because you're being far too controlling. Organic town are pushing things, then you just come in and say no. Frequently. How are town players going to feel we have agency?
Icon's read list is terrible. He lurks until mentioned. I think you're only mentioning this because you're supposing any counter to mastina is town. Icon hops opportunistically. Hell, even in a mastina!scum world, it's easily argued icon is still scum chainsawing pops.
Krazy doesn't feel like town but I'm not lock scum on him.
Pops might be town.
PP jumps from wagon to wagon with zero scumhunting.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:46 am

@Ali, can we just vote PP and let the bullets sort shit out?

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:51 am

GreyIce+Pops scum would only work there with those motivations in a mastina scum world, Mel.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:59 am

@Ali, we agree on PP. Can we just lynch that?

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:03 am

In post 9060, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 9057, Alisae wrote:
In post 9056, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 9025, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 8773, Pink Ball wrote: @Alisae, when you and Pine discussed who would you invite to this game, was there someone that he proposed that you thought it was a weird choice? Have you used that kind of info on pushing someone in this game?
Third time asking
oh this
Jjh and mena
Both town, bummer

Mena might not be town...

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:04 am

In post 9063, Alisae wrote:
In post 9059, Menalque wrote:why did you think jjh was a weird choice?
less weird and came across more as “I really want to work with this person”

We should definitely confirm jjh was the scum shot first. We have a flipped vig and can compare reads.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:11 am

In post 9065, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 9062, Titus wrote: Mena might not be town...
From my PoV it's quite impossible, same with Dann

Now unless there's something I am missing this isn't true.

I just feel Mela grabbing 4 year old meta bc he's checking out Elbrin, who isn't even here is just ridiculous. I can't even find the ancient good plays thread...

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:11 am

In post 9068, Alisae wrote:Eeeeeeeeh
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

Let's lynch PP instead.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:16 am

In post 9074, Alisae wrote:
In post 9070, Titus wrote:
In post 9068, Alisae wrote:Eeeeeeeeh
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
Let's lynch PP instead.
I couldn’t yesterday because I asked him to JK SS and I wanted protection on there.
I’m playing around a lot of constraints atm, so my hands are tied and mastina/Dann is the best I can do atm. Honestly even trying to include Dann in that IS pushing my limits.

Mastina being alive protects SS. Even in your bassackwards Mastina!scum world, scum don't kill SS without sacrificing her.

Let's lynch PP.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:19 am

In post 9078, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 9069, Titus wrote:
In post 9065, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 9062, Titus wrote: Mena might not be town...
From my PoV it's quite impossible, same with Dann
Now unless there's something I am missing this isn't true.

I just feel Mela grabbing 4 year old meta bc he's checking out Elbrin, who isn't even here is just ridiculous. I can't even find the ancient good plays thread...
That's your PoV and it's completely valid.

From my PoV, how Mena has behaved with respect to my slot doesn't come as scum. He have valid reasons to scumread me from D1, meta reasons, but instead of scumlocking me, he has been actively trying to sort me the entire game and came to townread me, without open attempts of pocketing me. I was a low hanging fruit at some point in this game, and Mena is one of the few players who would've been able to get me lynched in no time, yet he didn't.

Melanque could but why would he lynch you? You were wagoned at one point but there's always a better mislynch.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:27 am

In post 9081, Alisae wrote:you know, there are some details about the BG claim that are pretty fishy
Like
The timing for instance, nacho was vig’d because kill flavor says he was vig’d. Anka died due to her role. If the scum kill was blocked, mastina claiming BG is effectively, not a bad way to fish out a protective CC.
The reasoning for it doesn’t make that sense, why would a BG, on D2, out themselves, when the person who they claimed to protect, didn’t actually die to a kill like, at all, but instead died because of their role. Hell, why did she even decide to claim her BG in the first place like it was the end of the world

Again, mastina was under no pressure. It doesn't make sense for scum mastina to do that. Town mastina yes but not scum. A smart player doesn't cc a bodyguard. Why? Because a bg is a self resolving problem. If you flip before the bg, then the bg claim looks bad.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:39 am

In post 9092, Menalque wrote:Titus why have you switched your opinion on me and are now trying to actively weaken TRs on me?

Because your sorting of me felt fake and I'm trying to reconcile that.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:55 am

You know what Ali, I am done. Mislynch obvious town. This is the Ali show and the rest of us get no say at all.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:38 am

In post 9109, Alisae wrote:
In post 9105, Titus wrote:You know what Ali, I am done. Mislynch obvious town. This is the Ali show and the rest of us get no say at all.
I am going to send you a message via jinglenet
It might be disappointing, but thats the only way I can really address this :/

I'll wait.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:15 am

In post 9145, Katsuki wrote:
In post 9039, Titus wrote:Katsuki might be town, but he's done jackshit since I got here but sit on obvious town. GreyIce hasn't even done that.
MariaR has unjustifiable positions. Flat out. She's scum.
FB might be town. He might be scum. His tone is not faked. People are not having fun because you're being far too controlling. Organic town are pushing things, then you just come in and say no. Frequently. How are town players going to feel we have agency?
Icon's read list is terrible. He lurks until mentioned. I think you're only mentioning this because you're supposing any counter to mastina is town. Icon hops opportunistically. Hell, even in a mastina!scum world, it's easily argued icon is still scum chainsawing pops.
Krazy doesn't feel like town but I'm not lock scum on him.
Pops might be town.
PP jumps from wagon to wagon with zero scumhunting.
LUL

This will probably be ignored but calling it now that Titus is scum this game.

I'd love to hear from you as to why I'd be scum this game. All you've done this far is hint that I could be scum but that you want me dead more so for "doing nothing" as oppose to "being scum".

Well, you're smack dab in the middle of my reads list. You're not a high priority death for me but I wouldn't cry if you died either. Legit, you've had zero scumhunting that I recall since I got here.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:34 am

In post 9150, Katsuki wrote:What makes you think Mastina's BG claim is self-resolving, despite earlier fakeclaims and all the signs pointing to Ank having hid behind Mastina N1?

Because of the failed vigkill. Either PP blocked it or it's a mob doctor. That's the most likely setup.

I disagree on Ank hiding behind mastina n1, obviously.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:39 am

In post 9148, Katsuki wrote:I mean, look at the page count.

Zero scumhunting is a total towntell for me anyways. I'm still in a post-depression state after mislynching DGB, I don't think I can really play mafia anymore after that atrocity.

You know what I think of meta.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:41 am

In post 9154, Katsuki wrote:
In post 9152, Titus wrote:
In post 9150, Katsuki wrote:What makes you think Mastina's BG claim is self-resolving, despite earlier fakeclaims and all the signs pointing to Ank having hid behind Mastina N1?
Because of the failed vigkill. Either PP blocked it or it's a mob doctor. That's the most likely setup.

I disagree on Ank hiding behind mastina n1, obviously.
I don't see how any potential failed vigkills are indicative of bodyguard. That's not even how a bodyguard works?

No, it's not directly how it works. Yet if scum have a doctor, town should have a protective role as well. Second, the vig kill was likely targeting Fire who wanted mastina dead soooo

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:44 am

In post 9157, Firebringer wrote:
In post 9156, Titus wrote:Second, the vig kill was likely targeting Fire who wanted mastina dead soooo
Don’t think this accurate

All the major town HATED the governor Fire and agreed you should be vigged. So yeah, FF was shooting you.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:45 am

Like I said, if Queen Ali dictates we lynch town today, then we lynch town. I am not assisting in that endeavor. I'll just bargain with Pine and shoot them myself.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:46 am

In post 9161, Pine wrote:Oh for fuck's sake.

We have a Roleblocker. We roleblocked Formerfish as soon as he was identified. Scum doc is super weak, has no flexibility, and is arguably just as likely to lead a Watcher or Tracker to a second scum than anything.

You said it was a one shot previously, now it's a full roleblocker.

Haha.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:47 am

Pine, if you think I'm that dumb, you can bet I'll shoot wrong. Give me the vig right now. I dare you.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:48 am

Bargain: vig

In case you missed it.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:49 am

In post 8963, Titus wrote:
In post 8958, Dannflor wrote:
In post 8953, Titus wrote:@Pine,

MariaR, Krazy, Pink Ball, PP, Iconeum

That's a short but not locked list
I like the Ico, PP, and PB solve

really ?? on the Maria scum reads and I'm warming up on Krazy
Well I think ppl might get pissed if I shoot GreyIce or Katsuki.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:52 am

Legit do not ask me to vote mastina again this game. I am not doing that. Period. Handle it yourselves. I am only voting mastina if I get annoyed with HER not getting to scum.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:53 am

In post 9170, Pine wrote:
In post 9165, Titus wrote:
In post 9161, Pine wrote:Oh for fuck's sake.

We have a Roleblocker. We roleblocked Formerfish as soon as he was identified. Scum doc is super weak, has no flexibility, and is arguably just as likely to lead a Watcher or Tracker to a second scum than anything.
You said it was a one shot previously, now it's a full roleblocker.

Haha.
Yeah, I lied. It's what I do. But I don't request a scum doc in this game, especially not on top of a Commuter. Come on. A little more respect for my design capabilities, please.

I'll get back to you about the Vig shot. What would you give me? Outing your Masonbuddy would probably be worth it.

I'd out my Mason buddy in exchange for the vig shot, if I have one.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:57 am

In post 9176, Firebringer wrote:
In post 9160, Titus wrote:
In post 9157, Firebringer wrote:
In post 9156, Titus wrote:Second, the vig kill was likely targeting Fire who wanted mastina dead soooo
Don’t think this accurate
All the major town HATED the governor Fire and agreed you should be vigged. So yeah, FF was shooting you.
then how am I here? why would scum save me? Are u scumreading me or not cause u said I might be town earlier.

Scum should save you in that scenario regardless because you artificially restrict the game worse than Alisae. Like legit scum aren't getting lynched today.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:59 am

In post 9180, Alisae wrote:
In post 9179, Titus wrote:
In post 9176, Firebringer wrote:
In post 9160, Titus wrote:
In post 9157, Firebringer wrote:
In post 9156, Titus wrote:Second, the vig kill was likely targeting Fire who wanted mastina dead soooo
Don’t think this accurate
All the major town HATED the governor Fire and agreed you should be vigged. So yeah, FF was shooting you.
then how am I here? why would scum save me? Are u scumreading me or not cause u said I might be town earlier.
Scum should save you in that scenario regardless because you artificially restrict the game worse than Alisae. Like legit scum aren't getting lynched today.
hey wait a min
I said that yesterday!

Yes and you wonder why I think the RB is a lie and scum doc is a thing...

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:10 am

@Katsuki, There is no method that can read every player. Sometimes the best methods fail. My methods sometimes fail.

That's why I'm saying if you're dictating a town mislynch, get it the fuck over with.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:11 am

In post 9184, Alisae wrote:
In post 9183, Titus wrote:
In post 9180, Alisae wrote:
In post 9179, Titus wrote:
In post 9176, Firebringer wrote:
In post 9160, Titus wrote:
In post 9157, Firebringer wrote:
In post 9156, Titus wrote:Second, the vig kill was likely targeting Fire who wanted mastina dead soooo
Don’t think this accurate
All the major town HATED the governor Fire and agreed you should be vigged. So yeah, FF was shooting you.
then how am I here? why would scum save me? Are u scumreading me or not cause u said I might be town earlier.
Scum should save you in that scenario regardless because you artificially restrict the game worse than Alisae. Like legit scum aren't getting lynched today.
hey wait a min
I said that yesterday!
Yes and you wonder why I think the RB is a lie and scum doc is a thing...
whats easier Titus
Predicting where the vig is going to shoot in an environment where I’m privately leashing things
Or just roleblocking the person you suspect is the vig

Like I really don’t know what else to tell you here

Alisae, the smart town have been rebelling from you for ages. Even so, an FB shot is a no brainer.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:50 am

Pine I would. My vote is not useful because no one who I vote is getting lynched.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:50 am

In post 9194, Firebringer wrote:you become a triple voter.

I'm not giving Alisae a vig.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:01 am

In post 9198, Katsuki wrote:
In post 9189, Titus wrote:@Katsuki, There is no method that can read every player. Sometimes the best methods fail. My methods sometimes fail.

That's why I'm saying if you're dictating a town mislynch, get it the fuck over with.
I mean you guys got your chennis mislynch yesterday.

Even if Mastina were to be a mislynch, far better now than later down the road. I don't think it is.

Chennis wasn't my preferred lynch. It was just the only one Ali would permit us to have.

Anyway, time for prod dodges.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:37 pm

In post 9205, MariaR wrote:Titus with a vig shot probably ends up going in my face so I want to na that so fast.

I promise I won't shoot you. I'd take a shot that breaks the game open. I think I know what happened and that triggers a false positive a lot.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:41 pm

In post 9199, Pine wrote:
In post 9193, Firebringer wrote:hey pine i got an interesting deal for u, what if me and titus surrender our votes to u for today and alisae gets the vigilante.
Alisae is specifically barred from getting fruit by the rules.
In post 9195, Titus wrote:
Pine I would. My vote is not useful because no one who I vote is getting lynched.

Thus is our bargain sealed.

I will use the VOTE tags for Gamma Emerald’s vote and the HURT tags for Titus’s.

HURT: Iconeum

This happened though Maria. I promise I won't shoot you. I'm stubborn not vindictive.

Just hurry and mislynch mastina so I can shoot the scum and die.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:45 pm

In post 9209, MariaR wrote:VOTE: Mastina
Wow this went better then I thought!

Just don't expect me to join.

It's pretty clear Ali and Fire combined veto any lynch on scum until this happens and I've learned from civilization mafia.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:52 pm

In post 9212, MariaR wrote:Don't worry I trust you to break teh game open

Then we're good.

If I die and mastina flips town, leave the worst alone ok?

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:59 pm

In post 9216, the worst wrote:so uh maria is incapable of having an original take but wants a vig shot in exchange for scumsiding
wow

Well I already got it. Don't worry.

Just give them the mastina lynch and let me steer this right or eat a roleblock.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:00 pm

In post 9218, MariaR wrote:
In post 9216, the worst wrote:so uh maria is incapable of having an original take but wants a vig shot in exchange for scumsiding
wow
Wow I didn't know you needed to have super unqiue reads to be towny the worst. What other amazing mafia facts would you like to give me?

Just back off until tomorrow please.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:43 pm

Waiting for Ali message.

Gl.

Titus · Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:15 pm

Ok. Well, you should send me something, given I have the gun.

Titus · Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:00 am

Mental, I am not doing anything.

Titus · Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:04 am

In post 9360, Menalque wrote:
In post 9358, Titus wrote:Mental, I am not doing anything.
I have noticed this but you’re still scum because how many worlds do you think there are where town!titus is given a vig fruit in exchange for her vote for 1 day?

The one where my vote is useless because it's impossible to get a scum lynch. If town is getting mislynched anyway, take the big. Ali will see she's wrong and I can shoot scum. In the rate event I'm wrong, mastina scum let's me recalibrate before shooting.

Titus · Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:05 am

Sorry for the bad autocorrect Melanque

Titus · Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:02 am

Also, I have the vig but Pine has my vote. Gamma has the watcher but Pine has his vote too.

Ali really needs mastina lynched and she's a confirmed town treestump.

Titus · Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:25 am

Elsa, can you vote mastina? I need Ali to see how wrong she is. PP can then jail SS or claim scum.

Titus · Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:28 am

In post 9442, Alisae wrote:
In post 9441, Titus wrote:Elsa, can you vote mastina? I need Ali to see how wrong she is. PP can then jail SS or claim scum.
PP has another jailkeep?

Didn't he claim full jk? If not then :$

Titus · Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:21 pm

Pops, just vote mastina to progress the game

Titus · Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:26 am

Ali, make sure I get a jingle fruit.

mastina, as long as I'm kicking there's hope for town.

Titus · Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:26 am

By jingle fruit I mean jingle mail

Titus · Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:39 am

I got mine.

Titus · Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:25 am

@Ali, I need a better message.

Titus · Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:11 pm

@Ali, I'm aware but I don't exactly think you're good at steering the ship this game.

Titus · Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:22 pm

Guess what chick got her gaming rig out of storage?

Titus · Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:24 pm

I'd say so. But I'm lucky in that my Goddaughter has both nerd and cool tendencies.

Titus · Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:47 pm

@Pops add me, TrenchcoatTitus

Titus · Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:05 pm

Ali, I hereby officially challenge you as a town treestump. You can be scum or the mod. Same rules. Either a large or mini is fine. Do you accept my challenge?

Titus · Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:31 pm

That's fine but we need to work in PRs somehow. I'll pick my Mason's according to the same drafting rules.

Titus · Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:34 pm

We'll also need to recruit a mod who can do signups. We should also recruit Mathblade in some variant.

Titus · Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:41 pm

In post 13765, Alisae wrote:btw why are you challenging the loser?

Because I felt you need to see a thing or two about how to lead a town. You made many of the same mistakes I did.

Krazy, me too. I was starting to get sick near the time of the mastina lynch so I caved.

Titus · Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:10 pm

In post 13768, Alisae wrote:I can release my mason pt titus
my head was up against a wall there because Katsuki was forcing me to lynch mastina.
there's not much I could do about that :/

That's incorrect. You weren't forced to listen to a bad read. Your job as town leader was to unite them. You acted as if you thought mastina was scum and forced a separate townread to be voted down, losing the protectives in the process. You needed to rally Katsuki and mastina. If you couldn't do it with Katsuki, you picked the wrong mason.

Titus · Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:18 am

In post 13793, Something_Smart wrote:By the way, the ducky and I would be interested in modding Titus v. Alisae, if you two are still down for that. Let us know the setup and time constraints and we can get started working on it.

The fruit can definitely go, though I do think Alisae should have some way to be able to affect the game besides just trolling people.

I was messing around with the idea of having a single mason; that would make them a lot easier to hide and free up town to have more significant power elsewhere. Obviously we'll abide by whatever Ali and Titus want though.

I'll need to know the Mason draft rules but I'm ok with whatever setup as long as it's balanced. I wouldn't want to start until December. Ali can pm me more details and we can work it out.