Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Gamma Emerald]

Suffice to say I won’t play if I think it’s not working out.

What happens to the game if Pine quits

[Gamma Emerald]

(for Dannflor his play lately has been bleh but this isn't a cult game and day 1 Dannflor was town, eat your kale and keep an elephant's memory).

hey pops
Here is a hot take and something thats very important for games that are 300+ pages
Scum can play well early
And then they stop playing well mid/late game

This is true

[Gamma Emerald]

No one wants this Watcher fruit?

bargain fruit

Just plain don't make me have to do something I can't rn

[Pine]

No one wants this Watcher fruit?

bargain fruit

Just plain don't make me have to do something I can't rn

Same deal as Firebringer D3 - your vote for a Watcher shot.

[Menalque]

No one wants this Watcher fruit?

bargain fruit

Just plain don't make me have to do something I can't rn

Same deal as Firebringer D3 - your vote for a Watcher shot.

Don’t do it gamma that’s an awful deal

[Pine]

Yeah, because I used FB’s vote SO effectively

[Jingle]

Prodding GICE.

[Pine]

Someone Vig him already

[Pine]

Someone Vig him already

Oh wait...

[Jingle]

No one wants this Watcher fruit?

bargain fruit

Just plain don't make me have to do something I can't rn

JSYK, you must specify a fruit being offered to be considered bargaining. Currently, this would require

Bargain: Watcher

.

[Menalque]

R u enjoying yourself pine?

[Titus]

Mastina? Can we stop with the 1 v 1, please?

[Menalque]

Titus what was the rule of 3 thing you were talking about the other page or so?

[Pine]

R u enjoying yourself pine?

[Titus]

Titus what was the rule of 3 thing you were talking about the other page or so?

When scum put together a readwall with three or more people in a category, there tends to be at least one scum in each category. It's not 100% valid, but it's very likely true.

So in a setup like this, when players give a readwall, you can work through it to see buddies.

This can be reinforced by playstyle.

For instance, if MariaR flipped scum, the next place to look is PP. Why? Because PP is at the bottom of her reads list but she never mentions him without another target. For instance, the bottom tier has the worst/mastina/PP. At the start of the day, she vaguely says people like PP and PB need more pressure but blindly follows the same 1 v 1.

So even without words, scum can lead to buddies.

Given Pine is here and he's partially aware of the rule, it wouldn't have 100% reliability but it's good to start.

[Pink Ball]

You're all getting fucked up as soon as possible, fyi.

I'm taking this game as hostage.

[Jingle]

So I was gonna do flavor. Instead I went and watched the Joker.

I made the right choice.

[Pine]

So I was gonna do flavor. Instead I went and watched the Joker.

I made the right choice.

Haven’t seen it yet, but I approve.

The fuck, guys? This is dead.

Bargain for some damn fruit or lynch someone. Duckie, Dragon, or the Listmod are all good wagons.

[Menalque]

@Melanque, I can answer that if you'd like.

Go ahead.

Like I said, I’m very unsure here. Why do you think I’m getting the impression that there’s a cohesion between you/mastina/dann/ducky (which I also felt regarding dann/ducky earlier in the game only to soften on it after interacting with them both directly) but a kind of subtle one?

Well, I was referring to the meta question but they are related. Titus!scum is known as a mama hen. Titus scum prefers the sidelines. Town Titus prefers to lead or ensure competent leadership. Town Titus objects to suboptimal plays. Scum Titus relishes them.

Mastina and I are both analytical players. We process games in similar if then else ways. If mastina and I can't figure out where we disagree, high odds one is scum.

As for the group as a whole, the votes have divided that way for ages. Look at the major wagons. The divisions are obvious.

This doesn’t seem to fit with your meta tbh, because I stumbled across this game on forum

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=36919

So why should I believe that you’re telling the truth here when there’s clear and obvious examples of scum!titus taking a leading role in proceedings just like you have this game?

[Titus]

I'm not saying scum Titus is incapable or never takes leadership, just that she prefers not to (but for her pt). Scum Titus prefers to take a backseat but she can take charge if the situation requires it.

[Titus]

Plus that meta is 4 years old. How did you "just come across it?"

[Pink Ball]

If(random lynch) with 5 scum and 15 town (SS conftown): 5/15 = 33,3% of lynching scum
If(lynch with my own reads included): 4/9 = 44,4%
If(lynch inside LLD's wagon with reads included): 2, 3 or 4/6 = 33,3%, 50% or 66,7%

My own reads: mastina, Menalque, Katsuki, GreyICE and Dannflor town, Krazy scum
mastina, PP, Iconeum, Menalque and Pink Ball oustide LLD's wagon
the worst, Katsuki, Krazy, MariaR, Titus, Gamma, GreyICE, Firebringer, Dannflor, popsofctown on LLD's wagon

Using my reads:
PP and Iconeum outside LLD's wagon; 0, 1 or 2 scum
the worst, MariaR, Titus, Gamma, Firebringer, popsofctown on LLD's wagon; 2, 3 or 4 scum

After some thoughts:
the worst is town (bussing of LLD started with Krazy, the worst was the second player voting LLD)
PP is scum, Ico is town
3 scum in MariaR, Titus, Gamma, Firebringer and popsofctown

Titus is town
3 scum in MariaR, Gamma, Firebringer and popsofctown

"Why is Pink Ball back to D1?"
Because Pink Ball did an Excel sheet which he pretended to fill with basic info to make some in depth analysis instead of going for vanity wagons, which have been pretty common this game.
Basic info includes: Votecount progression, townreads, scumreads, all dead players stances (towards them and visceversa, basically interactions), some general commentary (like important stuff that has happened, push on Aristophanes, mastina and Krazy's 1v1, etc) and then my opinion on those slots, everything categorized by day.

Problem is, the first thing I did was the vote progression, and already find out that, of all 16 currently alive players, 12 voted LLD at some point. The only players who never voted LLD on D1 where xof (SS, conftown), mastina, PP and Iconeum. So why not focusing on LLD's wagon if there is high chances of hitting scum there? I mean, at least on my point of view, since I was outside LLD's wagon and both mastina and Menalque where outside it too.

LLD was bussed. Krazy is one of them, the worst isn't. Titus is town too. As I said on D1, PP is the most obvious pick for Pine in this game because of recent games.
So 3 scum in MariaR, Gamma, Firebringer and popsofctown.

Want to see their vote progression?
MariaR:
D1 voted Chickadee, Menalque and then LLD
D2 voted DGB
D3 voted mastina, PP, then mastina again and chennisden
D4 votes mastina

Gamma:
D1 voted Iconeum and then LLD
D2 he didn't vote (he was pretty much V/LA tbf)
D3 voted Katsuki, the worst and chennisden
D4 votes MariaR

Firebringer:
D1 voted the worst and then LLD
D2 voted mastina and DGB
D3 voted Katsuki and then gave his vote to Pine
D4 voted PenguinPower and the worst

popsofctown (check this out):
D1 voted Firebringer, then Chickadee, then the worst, then ank, then LLD (unvoted and voted again), then ank, then chennis and hammered LLD and got a fruit for it
D2 voted DGB, Aristophanes and DGB again
D3 voted the worst, mastina, chennis, the worst, chennis, PenguinPower, mastina, chennis, mastina, chennis and mastina once again
D4 voted mastina, the worst and Iconeum

Some conclusions: mastina was the designated D3 mislynch and scum coordinated on it, chennis was an opportunistic mislynch. PP, Maria, Fire and pops all fall in this category (PP's vote progression is pretty funny: no votes on D1 and 2, voted mastina then chennisden on D3, votes Iconeum on D4). Fire falls in that category because he fucking gave his vote to confscum lol but at least falls in that category more than Gamma who only voted chennis on D3.
None of this players has voted Krazy and he was a major wagon at some point.

[Menalque]

Plus that meta is 4 years old. How did you "just come across it?"

I was stalking elbirn to see if he had a gtkas thread and he’d posted once in “Really good plays that amazed you” and that scumgame of yours is one of the first ones recommended

Given this game I couldn’t resist taking s brief skim

[Pink Ball]

I'm planning on filling this at some point, but I think I got something on my hands already.



@Alisae, when you and Pine discussed who would you invite to this game, was there someone that he proposed that you thought it was a weird choice? Have you used that kind of info on pushing someone in this game?

[Menalque]

PB based on that who do you think is most likely to flip scum from maria/gamma/fb/pops?

Also why do you think pops votehopping that much is more scum indicative than town indicative? I would expect scum to try and limit it somewhat more