False premise.
VOTE: Jin AKA Vyse
In post 41, BNL wrote:So here was my plan (if you guys want to "abuse" the rooms):
Day 1:
Stage 1: ABC | DEF | GHI
Stage 2: ADG | BEH | CFI
Day 2:
Stage 1: AEI | BFG | CDH
Stage 2: AFH | BDI | CEG
Substitute the letters A, B, C, ... , I for some permutation of the player list, depending on what is most useful to town. And of course on Day 2 remove the dead players.
In post 55, InflatablePie wrote:Postie, given you're townreading BnL, why vote for yourself and RC rather than add a third player in your room vote?
Titus, I'd still rather use the rooms sparingly or as necessary, but why 2:2:2:3? Gun to my head, I'd go with 3:3:3 D1.
LQ's 43 reads incredibly awkward/forced to me so I'll let BnL slide for now.
VOTE: Lickety
In post 60, Titus wrote:You should still be able to do that with a 2 person room matchup over a day or so.
In post 70, InflatablePie wrote:*he seemed like he was a huge proponent.
Also, if we decide to go through with a room strategy, and we do decide to go 2223, I would like to request a 2 room with Titus.
In post 76, InflatablePie wrote:How am I "appealing to Titus' reasonable side"?
How is "trying to pocket [Titus]" supposed to be read any other way than "I think you are scum trying to manipulate town"?
Why aren't you voting me?
And why am I apparently trying to buddy Titus specifically, when I've been more agreeable withyou, given that we both want to use rooms sparingly and both want to go with 333 if we had to pick a strategy?
In post 77, InflatablePie wrote:Can you elaborate more on 19 and 20, or are you just going to make vague, cryptic statements any time someone asks you to clarify?
In post 78, InflatablePie wrote:So you think I'm trying to manipulate Titus, yes? Try and get us in a room together and cozy up with her? Maybe roast some marshmallows or chestnuts (it's Christmas time!)? I specifically said thatifwe use this strat (preferred order - not using it > 333 >>>> 2223) I want a 2 room with Titus.
More importantly, why are you getting scumvibes from me talking to Titus, yet have ignored Titus herself? She's had quite a few posts this game with regards to trying to optimize strategy to her preferred layout (despite you, me and BnL opposing it), yet she isn't seen by you as manipulative.
This shows that either you're not actually picking up on manipulative tells and you're scum fabricating a read, or you're town who's biased by the fact that I'm voting you.
So if you could answer my questions so that we can all sort this out together, that'd be great.
In post 82, InflatablePie wrote:LQ wrote:Why should I vote for you?
Well, what's your read on Vyse, then?
In post 82, InflatablePie wrote:LQ wrote:Are you going to nit pick things like this all game? More of your arguments are based on small details that force me to explain my thought process and nothing more. Your arguments are both inconsistent and assuming in nature.
I'm sorry for asking you to explain your thought process...?
Turns out when you refuse to do that, other people tend to assume thing from your posts.
In post 82, InflatablePie wrote:LQ wrote:Are you going to be giving Titus a Town read all game?
I don't have a townread on Titus and I never said I did.
In post 82, InflatablePie wrote:LQ wrote:Are you going to be Scumreading me all game?
Only Day 1, I hope.
In post 82, InflatablePie wrote:LQ wrote:Why should I be forced to explain myself when if just a bit of thought goes into what I say it is easy to see where I am coming from.
Here's the thing - this is twice now you've made posts that don't actually answer the questions I've asked of you. I asked why BnL was low-hanging fruit, you told me to compare him to myself. So yes, I retorted cheekily because I have no smurfing clue what you were trying to say there, and what were you expecting me to respond to thatwith? And then your "my words speak for themselves" bit. You can't make posts like that and then claim you're getting misinterpreted.
What is your read on Titus? What is your read on me?It's like pulling teeth here.
In post 82, InflatablePie wrote:LQ wrote:Low hanging fruit means they are green, like I am green
We've established the color for town is green, yes.
In post 82, InflatablePie wrote:LQ wrote:BLP is smart, yes, but don't have a lot of experience and you have gone and played very aggressively against 2 people who do not have the experience that you have.
The only situation in which this should ever matter is if we're playing a Newbie. That's an awful excuse otherwise.
In post 81, LicketyQuickety wrote:You done? You can get off your holy horse now your highness.
In post 130, Hawk Eyes wrote:Hello. Titus and I seem to disagree on some things, most notably LQ, but I figured I would catch up to the game now, so I won't be moving our vote at the moment. I do want to say I don't think I entirely understand the room mechanics right now, so if something I say feels off, correct me.
I dont understand the argument for 333 rooms- if you want more town players together, why not just use the game thread?
In post 82, InflatablePie wrote:LQ wrote:Are you going to be Scumreading me all game?
Only Day 1, I hope.
...what is this? This is nasty. Why would you scum read him now if you're expecting to not scum read him later? I don't believe there is an alignment changing role here, so if he's scum now, then he's likely scum for the rest of the game.
In post 85, LicketyQuickety wrote:
You came to that conclusion way faster than you should have. Don't take me for a moron. My Town game is unmistakable. I am Town this game.
If it's unmistakable, you shouldn't have to say that.
Am I now required to have a read on either of you? It is still early in the game. I do best in late game as Town -where I have the least amount of experience (wrap your head around that if you can).
You should have at least developing reads at this point.
And ew. Dont say that. If it's true and you're town it tells scum when you should be nk'd and if youre scum it just sounds like an easy excuse not to be lynched.
Are you intentionally being stupid here or what? Substitute green for new then.
You make a lot of excuses. Play the game or don't play it. There is no "I'm new so you can't lynch me d1."
Because they are a new player and you are a vet and I didn't see anything Scummy in what BPL was doing.
Two players in a game outside the newbie queue and the fact that you are makes me think you should be treated like a real player. That's my opinion, though.
Bullet was scummy, textbook scummy, even. The term for it is IIoA: information over analysis. It's when all you talk about is strategy, which is something scum can talk about all day, and not reads on players. Kinda like how bullet seems to kind of make passing comments at players and then return to talking strategy.
In post 116, BNL wrote:
I do not like LQ's reasoning of giving Titus a null read, because I don't understand why the fact that "Titus has a better scum game than town game" should influence whether. Neither do I like Titus claiming that LQ is obvtown, without explaining at all.
But the fact that this is happening both ways is really suspicious. Scum don't like to give reads on their buddies, and normally what they do is just briefly mention their buddy without elaborating further.
Yep. I think this is the reason Titus is town reading him, though. Being excessively paranoid of someone to the point of fearing dropping a read on someone is a trait of newb town, and it's something I have to remember not to do, I believe Titus thinks it's a townslip. I need to talk to her more on this, though, because if this isn't why, I'm not sure what is. He looks pretty scummy to me.
Yes, you're right here. However, scum don't typically offer a strong read like Titus did unexplained, it draws attention to them and the other person. That would have been an absolutely crap post to come out of scum and possibly game-losing.
@LQ&Titus: Please stateand justify clearlyyour reads on each other.
Null-scummish. He posted some nasty stuff, but that might have been a town slip.
-Eagle
In post 131, BNL wrote:@Eagle
Talking about strategy is what scum like to do, but is not something completely ignorable by town. In a normal setup, maybe, but this game has two very unique mechanics: Rooms, and Bodyguards. Furthermore, it was early in the game when I posted the strategy, cos I cannot have strong reads at that point? (The strategy post also provides something to go off)
LQ, I still want your read on this Hawk Eyes slot. And if possible, please go through my wall and explain everything I said I didn't understand.
In post 114, RadiantCowbells wrote:So little content.
Let's question stage this to get something going for when I can actually provide content on monday.
If I was scum here, who would you most expect to be my partner and why?
In post 126, InflatablePie wrote:LQ 89 - I'm aware of Floating and Pocketing. Your explanation doesn't really refute my argument.
In post 141, BNL wrote:@Lickety
In post 67, LicketyQuickety wrote:In 1v1, people can think things through more. This is going to give scum the advantage since Town is going to be overly suspicious or overly trusting of the other person.
In post 141, BNL wrote:In post 71, LicketyQuickety wrote:[Pie,] I think you are preying on Titus' reasonable side and I don't like it.
These were the posts I didn't quite understand or get the logic behind, and I'd like you to explain them.
In post 149, BNL wrote:In post 144, VysePresident wrote:Read 94 - VOTE: BNL. Lil' too much 'weird is bad', and the use of 'non-Town thoughts' is kinda meh. What specifically looksscummyabout LQ, rather than weird?
I guess I used the wrong word choice. By "weird" I mean stuff I didn't like. And did you read the whole thing? I pointed out that some of LQ's posts were fluff - Posts that push the game nowhere. Especially the quoted part of 80- forcing people to think of an answer that does not bring the game anywhere is scummy. Also, I did not make any sense from the first two points I quoted, and this could be scum trying to confuse townies. I guess I could be wrong about my last point though, could be either aggressive scum or frustrated town. (LQ is still my strongest scumread though)
In post 140, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 114, RadiantCowbells wrote:So little content.
Let's question stage this to get something going for when I can actually provide content on monday.
If I was scum here, who would you most expect to be my partner and why?
Errr... preflip associations are bad so why are you asking people to do that with such little content???
In post 126, InflatablePie wrote:LQ 89 - I'm aware of Floating and Pocketing. Your explanation doesn't really refute my argument.
It wasn't suppose to refute what you were saying. I was giving my point of view. Why do you want to get into a debate with me so bad? I am pretty much burnt out with debates. I don't really do that too much anymore.
In post 154, RadiantCowbells wrote:lol I don't communicate with scum. bye.
In post 174, BNL wrote:Here are my reads from town to scum, followed by my nulls, with strongest nulls first.
RadiantCowbells - Town
Despite having a low post count, the quick vote/unvote on LQ stands out to me as a very townie gambit.
InflatablePie - Town
I quite like most of his content so far, and have no problems with most of his posts, apart from #21 and the start of #78.
Postie - Lean town
Like Pie, I don't see any problems with her posts. Her reply to my #65 seems genuine. Only thing I'm concerned about is her activity in this game, considering that she stated she was looking forward to participate in the game in her opening post.
Hawk Eyes - Slight lean town
I'm destroying the LQ/Titus theory for now because that's a pre-flip associative and that is bad. Some of Titus' posts seem alright so far, but some feel a little off, like #11 (as Pie said), the Pie vote in #49, and #97, so I have a null read on her. Eagle seems OK so far, so slight lean town overall.
LicketyQuickety - Scummy
Although I have destroyed the LQ/Titus theory, many things still feel scummy to me. Agree with Pie that #43 feels off, and the fluff in #80 that I pointed out. Also, the RC vote in #155 feels super duper awkward and I don't see it coming from a townie (sort of an overreaction).
Bellaphant - Null
Espeonage - Null
Hasn't posted much, or even anything of content. Don't think I can read him very well.
VysePresident - Null
I have trouble reading Vyse, would like more posts from him.
In post 180, BNL wrote:In post 178, VysePresident wrote:Why is RC so high on your list, BNL?
As I said, the quick vote on LQ felt like a very townie gambit/reaction test.
In post 182, RadiantCowbells wrote:Any townie thing I do can be written off as that.
In post 197, Espeonage wrote:In post 193, RadiantCowbells wrote:Ok, that's totally not what I was expecting.
You're saying you think that he thinks that he can use his skill to mislynch me?
How does anything in that post suggest that his vote on me was serious? Plus, I'm notorious for tunneling people, town or scum, who vote me and am not an easy person to lynch whatsoever; would he really be interested in forcing such a fight unnecessarily?
My stance on him is that it's completely bizarre that he went from voting me in a very joking manner to treating it like a serious vote on the next page, which I think could very well have been a way to slide some of the pressure away. There's also the fact that he seemed really awkward responding to the request for a 1v1 like he wasn't sure how serious I was and was also scared by it.
@bolded: No. It's about the BNLp vote. A couple of steps into my thought process might help.
1. The vote is not meant to get him lynched or it would be being pushed properly. So what is the point?
2. Taking a reads list wall and declaring it from scum makes it less likely to be followed by the sheepy players in the game. Point is to discredit subtly.
3. This would be dangerous if not for LQ knowing that it is unlikely to be enough to get him lynched, so he can get away with the slight suggestion that BNLp isn't on the ball to the rest of the game.
So my point is that LQ is a good enough player to feel that a surface level scum points action like OMGUS shouldn't result in his lynch and so take the risk.
The trick here is that omgus isn't always omgus and just conflict in reads. I don't seriously think that is the case here.
In post 206, Espeonage wrote:In post 203, LicketyQuickety wrote:@RC, you are reaching to the extent that it looks foolish.
@Esp, where have you seen me try to mislych people like you say I am doing?
I haven't. My talk of meta has to do with mindset not action.
In post 212, BNL wrote:Lickety, mind if you answer these questions?
In post 185, BNL wrote:LQ:
1) What made you vote RC in post #155? Did you think the "reaction test" was scummy?
2) What did you not like about my reads list?
In post 210, RadiantCowbells wrote:Anyone else notice that he's seriously, seriously, SERIOUSLY uncomfortable in this post?
Lynch. now.
In post 220, Postie wrote:In post 216, LicketyQuickety wrote:1.) RC was being trolly so I simply returned in kind.
Don't do that. I don't care if you have no real scumreads - you can use your vote to put pressure on people and get reads that way. Just use your vote productively.
In post 220, Postie wrote:In post 216, LicketyQuickety wrote:2.) Your reads are based on the presents of the person ie. what their confidence levels are and how scared or fearless theyappearis. These things do not always tell what alignment they are and some people are just naturally more fearlessappearingand I give you more credit to read people more accurately than that.
What? Firstly, I don't see any mention of confidence levels in BNL's 174, and secondly, are you basically saying that we shouldn't make reads based on appearances? How doyouget your reads then, Lickety - telepathy?
In post 222, Postie wrote:In post 207, LicketyQuickety wrote:Why do you think Titus is giving me such a strong town read right now? If you are at all basing your read on me based on what Titus has said in saying I am Town, I would listen to her.
In post 219, LicketyQuickety wrote:If I get lynched, look for Scum who have taken a strong stance on me one way or another.
Where are you on Titus then?
In post 227, Postie wrote:In post 223, LicketyQuickety wrote:No. You misunderstand what I was saying. To use a confidence and lack of fear meter as a means to gauge if someone is Town or not is not even close to an accurate way to read people because it is a known secret that confidence gets people to follow you and being fearless means you don't have to hide. It can be faked.
Okay, that makes more sense. BulletNLynchproof doesn't talk about any of this in his reads list though?
In post 229, RadiantCowbells wrote:In post 226, LicketyQuickety wrote:Postie,
I gave you your room because I am pretty sure you are town and I think you will get some good stuff out of it.
This is a direct grab for towncred by the way.
In post 230, Postie wrote:In post 216, LicketyQuickety wrote:2.) Your reads are based on the presents of the person ie. what their confidence levels are and how scared or fearless theyappearis. These things do not always tell what alignment they are and some people are just naturally more fearlessappearingand I give you more credit to read people more accurately than that.
In post 227, Postie wrote:BulletNLynchproof doesn't talk about any of this in his reads list though?
In post 228, LicketyQuickety wrote:No he doesn't.
I'm having a lot of trouble following your thoughts here.
In post 234, BNL wrote:In post 231, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 229, RadiantCowbells wrote:In post 226, LicketyQuickety wrote:Postie,
I gave you your room because I am pretty sure you are town and I think you will get some good stuff out of it.
This is a direct grab for towncred by the way.
If you think I just said that for no reason then you are sadly mistaken. And glad you have confirmed yourself Scum by confirming you know Postie is Town. Ace work.
VOTE: RC
1)If you think RC is scum, why did you give him his room with Postie? You said you gave Postie her roombecause you were townreading her.
2)Why are you excessively wagon hopping?
In post 236, BNL wrote:Actually, looked back and realised you didn't change your vote as fast as I thought you did. Nevertheless, you voted RC in #155, and in your very next post you voted me. Don't you think that's a little too fast for a vote change?
In post 238, BNL wrote:In post 237, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 236, BNL wrote:Actually, looked back and realised you didn't change your vote as fast as I thought you did. Nevertheless, you voted RC in #155, and in your very next post you voted me. Don't you think that's a little too fast for a vote change?
It would've been accept my first vote on RC wasn't a serious one.
Why are you non-serious voting out of RVS?
In post 243, Postie wrote:In post 241, Hawk Eyes wrote:No. That is called working with townreads.
Why are you so desperate to have LQ look scummy?
~Titus
The timing of it is a problem though - he hammered the room as soon as I started pushing on him.
In post 242, Hawk Eyes wrote:Here, he's actually a town leader.
?????
In post 242, Hawk Eyes wrote:Can we have a room with LQ now?
No.
In post 252, VysePresident wrote:@LQ - Why the heck are you so mild-mannered anymore, this game?
In post 253, VysePresident wrote:This is me re-reengaging. My sister & brother passed their second degree black belt tests, and my darn sister took top score, so thank goodness that ended so well.
In post 261, VysePresident wrote:In post 251, LicketyQuickety wrote:
You came across, and genuinely still do, that you are not sure enough of things for me to think you are Town. You have been actively scum hunting, asking questions and generally trying to figure out and sort peoples alignments.
Was there a typo in this post, or am I just not following?
Are you saying that you think Postie is Town or that you're not sure?
In post 265, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't know much about the alignments of other people
Thanks for letting us know.
In post 290, RadiantCowbells wrote:Is that supposed to scare me into submission?
In post 291, Postie wrote:In post 289, LicketyQuickety wrote:RC,
All you have done this game is shout "lynch LQ" over and over. What happens if your wrong on me? Doesn't that mean you are the next days target? I want you to think about that for a while.
I take it you've never played a game with RC before then.
In post 302, VysePresident wrote:LQ, I'm going to need to talk fast, and probably in thread if you don't want me to switch votes.
I'm meh on this, but I'm in one of those slow funks, and not really Townreading you, TBH.
I dunno. Work with me.