Micro 558 | Slavic Music Mafia II | Endgame

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.02 Kayah & Goran Bregović - Prawy do lewego

I wish I spoke Polish, but I don't.

W dużej sali duży stół
A przy nim gości tłum
Gospodarz zgięty wpół
Bije łychą w szklanę

Cisza chciałbym toast wznieść
Jak można to na cześć
Ojczyzny w której wieść
przyszło życie nasze hej

Racja brachu
Wypijmy za to
Kto z nami nie wypije
Tego we dwa kije
Prawy do lewego
Wypij kolego
Przecież wiemy nigdy nie ma tego złego

In the large room a large table
A crowd of guests sitting by it
Host bent in half
Hits glass with spoon

Silence i'd like to raise a toast
If i can, to the
homeland we are living
our life's hey!

That's right brother
(So​​) let's drink for it
(And) Who doesn't drink with us
we'll beat with two sticks
Right to left
Drink, buddy
Cause we know that there is never bad

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lynching

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

InflatablePie

(L-3): Postie, Titus

RadiantCowbells

(L-4): BulletNLynchproof,

Titus

VysePresident

(L-4): LicketyQuickety

BulletNLynchproof

(L-4): InflatablePie

Postie

(L-5): Titus

LicketyQuickety

(L-5): VysePresident

Not Voting

(4): Espeonage, RadiantCowbells, The_Jester, VysePresident

get a room

It takes 4 votes to get a 2 person room, 6 votes to get a 3 person room, and 8 votes to get a 4 person room.

Postie and RadiantCowbells

(R-2): RadiantCowbells, Postie

Not Voting

(7): BulletNLynchproof, Espeonage, InflatablePie, LicketyQuickety,

Postie, RadiantCowbells

, The_Jester, Titus, VysePresident

Spoiler: Room Eligibility

2 more rooms toDay

: BulletNLynchproof, Espeonage, InflatablePie, LicketyQuickety, Postie, RadiantCowbells, The_Jester, Titus, VysePresident

1 more room toDay

: nobody

1 more room toDay but not until post restriction ends

: nobody

No more rooms toDay

: nobody

Post restrictions

Spoiler: 0 current post restriction(s): (may not talk to or about each other in public, may vote and unvote normally

none right now

Spoiler: Infractions

none yet

Deadline: (expired on 2015-12-22 14:00:00).

Let me know if there are any problems with the VC, or if you have music requests.

Mod notes: VysePresident will be V/LA from 9 Dec until 12 Dec. The_Jester is V/LA due to an internet issue.

[Titus]

I am voting Postie because of the high volume count but no pushing reads.

I know you were mainly just aiming to generate more discussion with your vote, but why me as opposed to others with a higher volume count (I mean, I had like 2 or 3 posts when you voted?) who weren't pushing reads yet either?

At the time I thought you were doing strategy to avoid giving reads. That means you needed a vote until I tested the theory. Game had to get moving.

[Postie]

Postie's confusion on reading Pie looks legit

I was really more addressing his read on BNL than trying to read Pie himself, but while we're on that topic, he looks townish to me so far. I'm not sold on his logic for voting BNL, but I like that how quickly he got straight into formulating reads, and also

drunkposting side-note: 11 by Titus feels off. can't quite place a finger on why

Like I said, can't quite put my finger on why.

this feels town because I don't think scum usually bring up points without being able to justify them? Idk, but like, when you're scum you have to make-up reasons to scumread things, so if you don't have a reason, then...?

[Titus]

Yeah, I want to see if Pie is town ATM. He could go either way. I hate reasonless reads. Best to sort out which he is.

[Titus]

Oh happy birthday Postie!

[InflatablePie]

Postie, given you're townreading BnL, why vote for yourself and RC rather than add a third player in your room vote?

Titus, I'd still rather use the rooms sparingly or as necessary, but why 2:2:2:3? Gun to my head, I'd go with 3:3:3 D1.

LQ's 43 reads incredibly awkward/forced to me so I'll let BnL slide for now.

VOTE: Lickety

[LicketyQuickety]

Postie, given you're townreading BnL, why vote for yourself and RC rather than add a third player in your room vote?

Titus, I'd still rather use the rooms sparingly or as necessary, but why 2:2:2:3? Gun to my head, I'd go with 3:3:3 D1.

LQ's 43 reads incredibly awkward/forced to me so I'll let BnL slide for now.

VOTE: Lickety

Something wrong with the argument I made?

[Titus]

Neighborhoods are incredibly powerful. Having a private place to discuss reads and night actions is good. 2 2 2 3 makes scum know less discussions and raises the possibility of scum having no information on night acts of half the group. That's setting aside the power they have when used like Sudoken.

[Titus]

There is nothing awkward about 43.

[BNL]

VOTE: Pie

I like BnL and Postie as town now. Not sure on RC yet but if RC makes me think he's town, I could go along with his room suggestion.

Postie's confusion on reading Pie looks legit and BnL letters strategy does look good for town. We should modify it though.

AB CD EF GHI is better D1.

The rationale behind a 3:3:3 was to allow every two people to have a room with each other (look at my plan, you'll notice that every two letters are in the same group somewhere).

[Titus]

You should still be able to do that with a 2 person room matchup over a day or so.

[LicketyQuickety]

You should still be able to do that with a 2 person room matchup over a day or so.

Titus,

With 3 people talking it makes it easier to bonce things off multiple people at the same time and see reactions to what you say. Also, on average 1 out of 3 people are usually scum so it gives us a better chance to have 2 town with 1 scum where the 2 town can figure out who the scum is in that particular group.

[Titus]

We don't get guaranteed variation in that setup. Whoever is hooded cannot talk to each other in the main thread, stilling it.

[Titus]

You're flat out wrong here on the best use of rooms.

[Titus]

Whatever scum hear in a room they are in, they can adapt to. If we get 2-1 2-1 3 then scum know four BG actions.

My method, they know two.

We increase room size with clears.

Much like Sudikoen. We started with 2 (me and Jeanne) then added Elbrin and finally Suzune

[BNL]

Hang on a minute.

Postie's confusion on reading Pie looks legit

I was really more addressing his read on BNL than trying to read Pie himself, but while we're on that topic, he looks townish to me so far. I'm not sold on his logic for voting BNL, but I like that how quickly he got straight into formulating reads, and also

drunkposting side-note: 11 by Titus feels off. can't quite place a finger on why

Like I said, can't quite put my finger on why.

this feels town because I don't think scum usually bring up points without being able to justify them? Idk, but like, when you're scum you have to make-up reasons to scumread things, so if you don't have a reason, then...?

Postie, if you're townreading Pie, why are you voting him?

Also,

Postie, given you're townreading BnL, why vote for yourself and RC rather than add a third player in your room vote?

This question is weird. I mean, just because you're townreading someone doesn't mean you will agree to their thoughts. This feels a bit scummy, as I don't know what is the point of this question, and it may be scum trying to confuse players.

[BNL]

On the 2:2:2:3 vs 3:3:3 argument, the reason why I chose the 3:3:3 is because it allows every two people to be in the same room. If we could have unlimited rooms (like last game), I'd argue rooms of 2 would be more personal and better.

[LicketyQuickety]

Its harder to read people 1v1 Vs 2v1 or even 3. In 1v1, people can think things through more. This is going to give scum the advantage since Town is going to be overly suspicious or overly trusting of the other person. The less Town know in a 1v1 situation, the more bias they will be. With more people it is easier to get accurate reads on individual scum members.

[InflatablePie]

There is nothing awkward about 43.

It's almost like people interpret posts differently in mafia games.


I'm not sure how to walk someone through seeing posts such as 43 as awkward or forced, so if you don't see it, you don't see it, I suppose.

Something wrong with the argument I made?

Competent scum could easily come up with this type of thing during N0 for towncred. It's fairly null.

Main problem I have is with your tone in that post.

2 2 2 3 makes scum know less discussions and raises the possibility of scum having no information on night acts of half the group.

Do scum not have nighttalk?

I can see 2223 working for D2+ (or I guess 223 or something), but I think 2223 gives scum more opportunity to buddy up and sneak into a "townblock". I'd prefer the extra sets of eyes for at least Day 1.

And again, I still don't think this is necessary, but y'know.

Postie, given you're townreading BnL, why vote for yourself and RC rather than add a third player in your room vote?

This question is weird.

I'll elaborate and explain my thought process when I get an answer. Promise.

[InflatablePie]

I'd like Esp's opinions on the room stuff because from my quickskim of the first game, he was a huge proponent of breaking the game via rooms.

[InflatablePie]

*he seemed like he was a huge proponent.

Also, if we decide to go through with a room strategy, and we do decide to go 2223, I would like to request a 2 room with Titus.

[LicketyQuickety]

*he seemed like he was a huge proponent.

Also, if we decide to go through with a room strategy, and we do decide to go 2223, I would like to request a 2 room with Titus.

Well, I would live to see that you don't share a room with Titus.

Anywho,

I think you are preying on Titus' reasonable side and I don't like it. I'm not giving Titus a Town read at this point either. You are far too agreeable with titus right now like you are trying to pocket her.

[InflatablePie]

um

what?

[InflatablePie]

so you don't have a townread on Titus, yet you think I'm trying to "pocket her", despite that implying that Titus would be town in this scenario?

or do you think I'm that good at Scum

Kabuki

Theatre?

Tag fixed. --P

[InflatablePie]

I am noob at tags.