Always knew you would eventually.Iammars wrote:/conform
/CONFIRM!
Always knew you would eventually.Iammars wrote:/conform
I like this plan. I AM TEH JESTER!mith wrote:Blah blah random votes blah.
Random votes are the devil. (We've got to kill the devil...)
Alright, first things first. The Jester should come out so we don't lynch him or her today. That's in everyone's best interests, right? Except the Mafia's. Jester, if you get lynched today, you lose. So you should come out now so that doesn't happen.
Hopefully the Mafia won't pretend to be the Jester, that would totally screw up this plan.
Mafia, did you follow all that? Don't pretend to be the Jester. MeMe? Got it?
Pooky, what do you think of the random voting so far?
Why does Mith seem very scummy?wolfcrier wrote:(Hey I can finally get on) after reading this whole thing Mith seems very scummy but I am reluctent to vote..
I'm not the Jester, although in honesty, even if i was, i wouldnt claim at this point. lolal_kohaulec wrote:So are you claiming not Jester?Battle Mage wrote:Im still reading. Page 4 and GS is making alot of sense. I think i see what Mith is trying to do, but I cant fault GS's logic.
And no Al Ko, i'm not ACTUALLY claiming Jester as in the role. rofl.
Hint= Look at my title.
BM
The wagon on him was a ridiculous facade for some wierd ploy to off the Jester. There is absolutely no reason to suspect him atm, hence he is not on the list.RossWilliam wrote:Battle Mage i noticed Greasy Spot is missing from your suspect list. I'm curious as to why you find him innocent?
Please continue being a retard. It suits you. I read Pooky's logic and frankly, it can be improved upon. If the Jester claims on Day 2, he not only saves himself from future NK's, but also avoids the Day 1 pitfall lynch. He only has to avoid 1 NK, and hes home free.Captain Bandwagon wrote:BM = Badplay Mage
Don't you see it? You bloody idiot. The jester has the best chance of winning if he claims now. Why risk getting lynched or NK'd?
Also, please answer post #238 by RW.
Whats the case on him then, Poirot?Captain Bandwagon wrote:You gotta be kidding me.Battle Mage wrote:The wagon on him was a ridiculous facade for some wierd ploy to off the Jester. There is absolutely no reason to suspect him atm, hence he is not on the list.RossWilliam wrote:Battle Mage i noticed Greasy Spot is missing from your suspect list. I'm curious as to why you find him innocent?
BM
FOS: BATTLE MAGE
Nice attempt to suck upto Pooky. But in actuality his case was far from completely 'rock solid', which i have already addressed, had you been reading. Im not even sure you have read Pooky's case in its entirety, as i seem to recall him also highlighting how the Jester claiming was very pro-scum too. If i'd been here, i'd have probably behaved the exact same way as GS. Ill go back and read post 106, to see whether that alone constitutes suspicion, but if you think you have enough for a well educated vote, you are sorely mistaken.Captain Bandwagon wrote:Nice attempts to draw me into a flame war, but that's not the point of this game. Why the FOS? Because I'm already voting GS. I'm voting him for the following reasons:Battle Mage wrote:Whats the case on him then, Poirot?Captain Bandwagon wrote:You gotta be kidding me.Battle Mage wrote:The wagon on him was a ridiculous facade for some wierd ploy to off the Jester. There is absolutely no reason to suspect him atm, hence he is not on the list.RossWilliam wrote:Battle Mage i noticed Greasy Spot is missing from your suspect list. I'm curious as to why you find him innocent?
BM
FOS: BATTLE MAGE
FoS's are lame. Dont be a pussy. Make it a vote.
BM
Pooky's rock solid case in #62 shouldn't leave any question about the jester claiming D1. Despite that, GS continued to stir up the pot. The strategy is both pro-jester and pro-town, so only scum would be unhappy with it. PJ cleared things up even more in #92, but GS pretends not to understand to confuse things even more. It isn't until #98 that he even admits that he could be wrong. In #106, he made a very sarcastic post that pinged my scumdar like an asteroid.
And you say there's no case against him? Something's fishy here. Are you trying to dig your own grave?
Well yes i recognise that lots of people seem to think there is a case on him. I just think they are wrong. lolRossWilliam wrote:BM, you have to at least admit that it's extremely plausible to hold a case against Greasy spot, regardless of whether or not your personally believe it or not. Denying any kind of plausibility when it's blatantly there for all who can read just makes you look scummy.
Speaking of GS, am I just silly or is he keeping a low profile now? he doesn't do much to help his case. Nobody likes a formerly scummy lurker.
Because the town doesnt want the Jester to win, and for the reasons highlighted extensively by you, if the Jester claims, he will almost certainly not be NKed, and thus, will very likely win, which does not benefit the town.PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Why would the town choose to lynch the Jester on day one BM?
Muahahaha! The plan is falling into place. Quick my proxied pal, lets run up Dani-scum!Thesp wrote:FYI: I've been assured that Battle Mage and Greasy Spot post from different IPs. Carry on.
Pooky made a case? I thought we were talking about Pooky's discussion on the theory behind the Jester role...Mastermind of Sin wrote:I'm amused that Battle Mage is defending Greasy Spot by saying Pooky's case is illogical while Greasy Spot now agrees with the case that the Jester should claim today. BM is acting like he and GS are kindred spirits in thought process, when their own opinions seem to differ.
eh? After Day 1, there is little the town can do to stop him (excluding a potential Vig).PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:How does the Jester win if the town knows who he is?
This is not in conjunction with Pooky's views, which is interesting. I'm pretty sure i've already answered that question Mith.mith wrote:Once again, the Jester claiming helps the Jester AND the Jester claiming helps the Town. There is no contradiction here, because there is a third side: the Jester claiming hurts the Mafia. Having someone we know to be not-Mafia helps us in our Mafia hunting, obviously.
The Jester needs to claimASAP, because with every post that passes, there is more and more chance that the scum will realize that the Jester is unsure or a moron, and will jump in with a fake claim. A fake claim from the Mafia would absolutely devestate the plan.
Battle Mage, you haven't actually said whether or not you are the Jester - only that you weren't claiming to be. So, as with GS, I will ask you directly: Are you the Jester?
In other news, there are still 8 players not voting at all, and I would guess that at least a couple of the other votes are random (too lazy to check). We are now five realtime days into Day 1, and I once against strongly suggest thateveryone make a non-random vote by the time we hit the one rt week mark. I will be looking closely at anyone who posts before then but doesn't vote.
And to think, i was trying so hard to be polite, and avoid getting into a flame war.RossWilliam wrote:then it wouldn't hurt you to do it again instead of being snide and making yourself look even more obnoxious, not to mention scummy
I wouldnt count on that, but even if it is the case, im going to stick by my personal targets for the game. You do what you like, but i'd strongly reccommend reading the rules either way lol.PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:there is no 2nd. Loss is a Loss.
I'm not wasting a lynch just to make sure one person loses, you're the only one in this game that feels this way about it BM.
Im surprised you feel able to make such criticisms, when you have no experience yourself.Captain Bandwagon wrote:I'm surprised you've been around this long and you still don't know a case when you see one.Battle Mage wrote:Pooky made a case?
True, but thats generally the way i play. It means im not always right, but often that i pick up on things that the majority of people don't, which can be incredibly useful. I personally find players who give in to peer pressure in games such as this when the players disagreeing with them are unconfirmed, less than brilliant.CB wrote:And when your instincts are wrong? You can't play this game on instincts alone. You have to base your judgments and decisions on logic.Battle Mage wrote:One of the main characteristics (good or bad) about me is that i tend to stick to my instincts even in the face of every other player saying im wrong.
Anti town is anti town.CB wrote:InPookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Actually I've decided that it's dumb to do back and forth with you because we're moving closer to the deadline and we need the Jester to understand that my case is ironclad.
The only way the Jester wins is by making the Town Lose in the endgame if he has been revealed.
Basically the Jester effectively moves the town one day closer to the endgame if he claims and survives till then.
However LYNCHING the jester does EXACTLY the same thing as not lynching him. By lynching him, we are ALSO moving the game one day closer to the endgame, which is the same thing we do if we leave him alive.
EXCEPT WHEN WE LEAVE HIM ALIVE, WE HAVE A CHANCE OF LYNCHING MAFIA, WHEREAS IF WE LYNCH HIM WE HAVE NO CHANCE OF LYNCHING MAFIA.
So yea, I'd guess keeping him alive is the town's best play.boldis the heart of the argument. We don't want to waste time lynching non-scum.
When you have completed your first newbie game on the site, i suggest you have a read of some of my games as scum then. Miserable and obnoxious? you old flatterer!CB wrote:I wonder how you play as scum, then. Do you go out announcing to everyone "Hey, guess what? I hate lies, so I'm scum"?Battle Mage wrote:*dont ask me why im even bothering arguing this in defence of the Jester. I just HATE lies stated as fact.
BM, why don't you just give us a clear, non-ambiguous reply to mith in #276? You're emitting a plethora of scum-confusion tactics from your miserable, obnoxious self. Do you like being unpopular? Does it make you feel better to have a bad reputation on MS as being one of the most unfun players to play with?
If that is the case, the Jester will see your obvious logic and claim. Im not seeing it though. Sucking upto Pooky won't win you any favours with me either.CB wrote: Pooky's post #280 should leaveno doubtfor the jester to claim. At this point, an unclaimed jester is abadjester.
Wow, do i know you? ROFL.CB wrote:Lies. I know what's going on in the minds of attention-seeking players like you. You act as a detriment to the town in every game you play, regardless of your role. It's a playstyle that's hard to read, but it's also a playstyle that isn't enjoyable to participate with. Do you like having fun at the expense of other people? If yes, what does that make you? Why bother pulling a Slayer's Gambit? It's not a good way of catching scum and it only serves to confuse the town even further.Battle Mage wrote:And to think, i was trying so hard to be polite, and avoid getting into a flame war.
Actually no. If you'd read my name, the B stands for Battle and the M is for Mage. Thats why some people call me Battle Mage.CB wrote: Conclusion: I know what the B in BM stands for. Bad play. Unless he's deliberately being anti-town, in which case we should lynch him as soon as possible.
I'm gonna call Appeal to Emotion here.CB wrote: @the jester: if you're worried about getting lynched D1 after your claim, there's no chance of that happening. We're not horrible players who only seek to make one person lose. I'm sure the town would rather have a higher chance of finishing second place instead of a much lower chance of winning it outright.
In case you hadnt realised, its probably wise to point out that this point is total bollocks. Scum can claim Jester at any time. Its not as if we are going to take the first Jester claim at face value. lolCB wrote: Here's how your not claiming hurts the town:
1. It gives scum the opportunity to claim jester, which is incredibly detrimental to us.
Actually, they also pointed out how a Jester claim full stop can be detrimental to the town.CB wrote: 3. A late jester claim, as elaborated on by Pooky and mith, can be devastating for the town in the end-game.
Or we could just try and catch scum anyway. I think thats what most of us are currently trying to do, but this discussion is immensely distracting.CB wrote: If you just claim now, all those problems will go away, and we can turn our attention to catching scum instead of wasting our time on figuring out who the jester is.
Inconsistency much?QuickBen wrote:You know the really sad part is that we're spending an inordinate amount of time on the Jester when we really need to be looking for scum. Currently, GS and BM are my favorites for lynch today just from the distraction they've caused from our true purpose- finding and lynching scum.
If you'd read Pooky's comments, you'd see that he explained how the Jester claiming helped the scum. Mith on the other hand, was keen to promote how the Jester claiming hurt them.Captain Bandwagon wrote:EBWOP
@BM: Elaborate on #277. Explain to us how you think mith's and Pooky's views differ.
Try metagaming. Thats just how i play. Hell ive even said it twice in this game alone. I dont get pushed around by people. Furthermore, its not unlikely that this crew from Thespival actually has a motive for lying. But then, of course you probably havent considered the possibility that the whole thing is a setup designed to out and eliminate the Jester. Either way, apparently im not the only one who feels this way, as the Jester STILL HAS NOT CLAIMED, and Mith is still my prime suspect for that role.Fletcher wrote:GAH! Was going to post last night and got sidetracked and lost my post.
In summary:
I'm not the Jester, but I do agree with the Jester needing to come out as soon as possible.
Don't think Greasy Spot is very scummy, because, like Dani Banani, I thought the same things at Thespival.
I like the idea of the Cult of the Couch not using his power until later in the game when we can have a more strong idea as to what effects it will have.
I don't think Iammars slip was very scummy either.There is no avoiding this since everything is public anyways. Or am I missing the point?tyhess wrote:I would agree but the 1 doubt that keeps coming into my mind is that if I say I'm going to recruit a scum, then the scum NK's me. Now you know who a scum wold be, but theres also huge WIFOM there......I'd like to hear more opinions?Greasy Spot wrote:@ALL If you lynch me the Jester will win and the Town will be well on its way to losing.
In response to Battle Mage's view of the jester situation: You state that you are playing in a legendary field of players, but you seem to have no respect for their experience or thoughts. This is shown through your blatant denial of the whole plan. This is doubly shocking when EVERYONE from Thespival playing in this game agrees with the plan. Do you think we are all idiots? Do you think we are all lying? Are we all mafia? I'm going to have to guess no. As I said before I understand the confusion on this topic, but to not back off after so much opposition is questionable at the very least.
Vote: Battle Mage
Lol, i didnt realise the BM-haters society had formed and now had its own thread on MS.RossWilliam wrote:this little post stuck out to me, BM has already answered the question...why would it make him more scummy if he doesnt answer it again? Seems like you just wanted a reason to say something and look town here. please explain.
All right, I'll explain, even though it's not really too complex. You don't think it looks scummy to dance around a question evasively? Well, I do. is that enough explanation?
And I would think of something very clever to acronymize BM into, but a wise old guru once told me don't feed the trolls.
And thirdly, all this second-place or third place crap is ridiculous. I feel like we're a bunch of three year olds arguing over a four-square game. Come on people. And finally, can we lease get more detailed arguments than just "A" is "A" or "X" or "X". really, people, Bullcrap is Bullcrap. rant over.
Sorry. I guess i wasnt told about this trap. -.-mith wrote:Everyone be sure to read this post.
What MeMe said. If you think something is a trap, don't point it out until everyone has a chance to fall for it! Sigh.
Anyway... I think everyone has now denied being the Jester. So I suppose it's time to move on.
This was absolutely a trap. You see, when we played the Jester setup at Thespival, there was one small difference: the Jester won when lynched Day 1. There, the strategy presented here clearly applies. The Jester should come out to avoid being nightkilled, and the Town should encourage it so that we eliminate one suspectand also so that we avoid all the WIFOM drama involved when we know someone is trying to get themselves lynched.
What actually happened was that we got screwed over by scum claiming Jester, and then ended up lynching the Jester straight away because we thought we were safe lynching the scummiest player.
Here, we have a day where it's safe to lynch the Jester, and I was trying to take advantage of that.Not so much to trick the Jester so we can lynch him/her! That doesn't help the town.But to trick the Mafia into thinking they're about to get screwed over and the only way out of it is to fakeclaim Jester. If someone had claimed Jester, there was a better than average chance of them being scum, given that the Thespivalites understood the strategy considerations and know thatbest play for the Jester is to claim Day 2, so if any of them are the Jester they (correctly) waited.
Anyway. Hopefully the Jester truly does understand the strategy involved in playing the role and will come out tomorrow. In the meantime, we have plenty to analyze here. My vote remains on GS for now, as his reaction was clearly the most scum-like, but I need to comb through the responses in detail.
Who are you an alt of? Were you at Thespival?Captain Bandwagon wrote:Exactly my point. I can't believe you didn't see it, hence my frustration.Battle Mage wrote:Sorry. I guess i wasnt told about this trap. -.-mith wrote:Everyone be sure to read this post.
What MeMe said. If you think something is a trap, don't point it out until everyone has a chance to fall for it! Sigh.
Anyway... I think everyone has now denied being the Jester. So I suppose it's time to move on.
This was absolutely a trap. You see, when we played the Jester setup at Thespival, there was one small difference: the Jester won when lynched Day 1. There, the strategy presented here clearly applies. The Jester should come out to avoid being nightkilled, and the Town should encourage it so that we eliminate one suspectand also so that we avoid all the WIFOM drama involved when we know someone is trying to get themselves lynched.
What actually happened was that we got screwed over by scum claiming Jester, and then ended up lynching the Jester straight away because we thought we were safe lynching the scummiest player.
Here, we have a day where it's safe to lynch the Jester, and I was trying to take advantage of that.Not so much to trick the Jester so we can lynch him/her! That doesn't help the town.But to trick the Mafia into thinking they're about to get screwed over and the only way out of it is to fakeclaim Jester. If someone had claimed Jester, there was a better than average chance of them being scum, given that the Thespivalites understood the strategy considerations and know thatbest play for the Jester is to claim Day 2, so if any of them are the Jester they (correctly) waited.
Anyway. Hopefully the Jester truly does understand the strategy involved in playing the role and will come out tomorrow. In the meantime, we have plenty to analyze here. My vote remains on GS for now, as his reaction was clearly the most scum-like, but I need to comb through the responses in detail.
If i see people, especially well respected people such as yourselves making crazy logic its natural impulse to say so.
Anyway, before you revealed this, i'd have liked to see explanations from those newer players who hopped on the Jester pushing BW. Im almost positive that not everyone was aware of the trap, and highly suspicious of those who went along with it. Post 324 doesnt exactly fill me with confidence concerning MeMe either...
Oh and despite me kinda fucking up a plan, i'd still like to say:
SCREW YOU CAPTAIN BANDWAGON! (this kind of also applies to anyone who legitimately said i was talking crap)
BM
Well it wouldve confused the heck outta me, and probably lead to a mislynch because some people thought Mith and co. were being serious.Fletcher wrote:[written before I read mith's post]You will not lay-off, especially in light of the fact that you state that this is a very experienced group. You'd think you would have done so to some degree. GS is a prime example of this. Thinking more on this I'm not sure how well-founded my vote is, because it seems odd for a mafia to put himself out so much... however you just may do that as scum. As you have pointed out, I have not meta-gamed your play.[/written before]Battle Mage wrote:Out of interest, why do you find GS's criticisms of the logic of those at Thespival to be reasonable, and mine to be inherently scummy, despite admitting that YOU also shared those views when you were at Thespival?
Unvote: Battle Mage
I don't see the point to killing the trap? Would it really have been so detrimental to keep it going?
I hope you are kidding.hasdgfas wrote:overreaction much?
FoS: GS
See the post in which i voted for you originally. If you need further clarification, come back and ask again.QuickBen wrote:When did I become an acceptable lynch BM?
Yes, but all things considered, i'm quite happy to wait until tomorrow for him to do so.PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:BM, do you want the Jester to claim?
I dont think it really matters. Obviously id prefer a claim today, but only on the premise that we actually lynch the Jester. As it is apparent that those at Thespival have other ideas, i dont see much difference.PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Would you prefer the Jester to claim today or tommorrow BM?
I've already explained this. 0.oPookyTheMagicalBear wrote:If you prefer a jester claim today, why did you argue against having the jester claim?
Erm, did you even read that before quoting it?Captain Bandwagon wrote:I guess your instincts sure failed you here.Battle Mage wrote:My thoughts are, if enough people bully someone with enough force for enough time, eventually they give in. One of the main characteristics (good or bad) about me is that i tend to stick to my instincts even in the face of every other player saying im wrong. But there comes a time when you doubt yourself, especially in a game of this nature, im amazed to find myself disagreeing with so many legends of the game.
Actually, i'm a bit old to be frequenting kid's birthday parties. When you hit puberty it becomes a bit wierd, ya know? rofl.QuickBen wrote:@BM- I bet you're the guy yelling out how the magician is doing his tricks at a kid's birthday party, huh?
This is rather insulting. That as scum, i would be so controversial so early on and basically invite attention onto myself.Quickben wrote: If a foolproof way to find scum is presented, the scum either have to fight the idea (and give themselves away) or go along with the idea (and *risk* giving themselves away if it works). Honestly, the way you're pushing for "if the Jester claims today we should lynch him" today makes me want to vote you.
Oh dearie me.QuickBen wrote: Either A- you're the Jester and are trying to hide today by acting totally anti-jester and we may as well take your advice about not taking 2nd place
Guess what kiddo? It wasnt me who came up with the fricking gambit idea that has distracted the town since the start of the game! Try paying attention pl0x and dont get blindsided by OMGUS.Quickben wrote: B- you're going to continue to be a distraction by fighting tooth and nail against everything that you didn't come up with or agree 100% on. The only thing worse for the town than the scum is a townie who is so distracting we can't find the scum.
So active im neglecting about 4 of my games atm? lolQuickben wrote: So I'll tell ya what, pick a few people. Build a couple of cases. I'll give ya all weekend to do so. You're active on the site enough it shouldn't be a problem. I'm giving you the opportunity to go on the offensive before I decide whether or not to vote you.
P.S. 10 to 1 odds say I'm one of the people you build a case against.
Apparently, this is not the case. Quickben seems to think i am either annoying town or Jester. In the case of the latter, he wishes to try and lynch me today. Please tell me how that is any way logical, when compared with the fact that it is the sole reason he wants me dead in the first place!PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:He's attacking you for telling the Jester that we are going to lynch him if he claims before the Jester claims.
Whether he thinks that that is the correct play is consistent with the fact that he thinks you are scummy for choosing to tell the Jester that you want to lynch him and that you believe the best play for the Jester is to lynch him.
Despite the fact that i appreciate you conceding some blame for this argument, you have still failed to meet my request, which was to name 1 suspect you have which isnt based solely on OMGUS.QuickBen wrote:Actually no, I'm saying that if you're town you should have just shut up and paid attention to who, if anyone, fell for the trap. Its flaw was semi obvious to anyone who was paying attention and the point was that if its flaw didn't affect you, why bother saying anything? I'm not the Jester. Do I give two mouse turds if mith and pooky want to try and convince him/her to come forward? Nope. Did I see the logical issue with the request? Yup. Is it my job as a townie to direct a neutral role in how to play it? Nope. If we have a SK are you going to start giving *them* directions on how not to be found? If I wanted to lynch you, I would have voted you. I actually didn't remember that my vote was on MOS. I'll remove that at the end of the post. (thanks CKD) You managed to misrepresent my entire post BM, which really set off the scumdar, but could be chalked up to crappy reading comprehension skills.
I'm glad Mith posted this. I thought i was going crazy. I'm disinclined to believe Hasdgfas's claim, primarily because the role he is claiming makes such little sense, and furthermore it is VERY hard to confirm the role, let alone affiliation!mith wrote:I'm still not convinced by hasdgfas's claim. It doesn't fit the Thespival-theme (we didn't have any such roles, nor is there a Jack-of-all-trades card in my deck), nor does it fit what I know of Thesp's style.
That said, I'm not sure why he would've started with the [word] thing if it wascompletelyfabricated.
I'm going to do some research on this. For now, I remain more convinced that Greasy Spot is scum, so my vote will remain there.
True, but in Mafia logic tends to take presidence over simple emotion.Greasy Spot wrote:@ BM: So what? You can't play any game and distance yourself from emotions.Battle Mage wrote:Alot of AtoE in that post,
@ mith: The only way my last sentence would rub you the wrong way was if you were scum and did not want to see any votes removed from me. How can you even bring up my reaction to your crap trap of trying to find the Jester. I saw shit flying in the forum and I called it. You got busted.Deal with it.
about has: I can't believe you guys are listening to a cow that can only speak 2 words in each post. Talk about gullable. You guys don't give a shit about what I say but your gonna listen to a 2 worded cow with 'random powers' that might just be the Jester.
@ tyhess: When was I fucking dragging out my claim of not being Jester. I didn't believe the crap trap story that was being thrown out there. If I was the Jester why would claim if I didn't believe the story. Your comment is utter stupidity.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot,
I AM THE JESTER!!
vote: hasdgfas
I dont see why we WOULDN'T vote you out. I mean, worst case scenario you are Jester and rid ourselves of an anti-town force.Greasy Spot wrote:I claimed earlier in the game that I was not the Jester or Mafia. I didn't claim Jester until post #459. That was only out of exasperation.
If you guys think I'm scum vote me out. I will not post any further content this day unless close to a prod.
Certainly enough to earn my vote.RossWilliam wrote:he made a lot of contradictions on day one, and he was quoted as saying mith was extremely scummy when mith is, obviously not. same reasons as everyone else.
Look on the bright side. At least i dont think you're scum. :pMeMe wrote:vote: Sarcastro
Oh shoot. Now BM thinks I'm dumb.
Dont be immature. Its obvious that Sarc is acting scummy, but has it never crossed your mind that he could just be the JESTER? lolRossWilliam wrote:and plus, the only words Pooky has said all day other than his vote for me and fis first "good morning" post are "choo choo."
Sarc, where in those two words do you find enough facts to sign your vote on with? Is it the first choo? the second choo? enlighten me please. BM, alko, do you really find him not sketchy at all? Is blatant oppurtunism not a scumtell?
AlKo is spot on here. Mith was as sketchy as hell. Saying that anyone attacking him is suspicious, AFTER HE HAS BEEN NK'D is basically arguing the WIFOM of Night actions.al_kohaulec wrote:My statement about mith is because your post is attacking (at the moment I can't think of who you were attacking) a player for saying mith is scummy, and your reasoning is that mith is obviously not scummy. The only reason you know this is because mith is dead and you know his role. I can elaborate on this if you want, but this makes the logic of casting suspicion for that reasoning faulty.RossWilliam wrote:No....His exact words were
If he agreed with Pooky, he would just say, I agree with Pooky. But he puts in his disclaimer about how he hasn't read everything yet. and he did put the hammer on GS last game after only just replacing into the game. I want to hear everybody's thoughts on that.I've almost finished reading, so until then I'm just going to agree with Pooky.
And I said mith was obviously not scummy because mith's card says Mason on it. I meant he was obviously not scummy now, i had no real opinion of him yesterday except he was a smart player.
and lastly, I am the farthest thing from frantic. It's virtually impossible to be frantic on a forum, and by saying that, you are misrepresenting me. so let's go easy on that.
you messed up?RossWilliam wrote:I think I have every right to take Sarc seriously when he is fifth vote on my bandwagon. I think even though I messed up, five votes is too much for what I did. and neither Sarc or Pooky have given me reasons that I can defend myself against. It's only logical that i'm frusterated.
This gives me bad vibes. I'd hate to lynch another immensely scummy player, who turns out to just be a new townie who cracked under pressure.Mastermind of Sin wrote:I think RossWilliam is making some rookie mistakes, but I think they areprotownrookie mistakes. At least he's being honest with his thoughts, even when they don't make sense.
I think Holy brings up a good point about Monkey. His post voting Greasy Spot seemed like an overjustification to me. It's like he was trying to pile on as many reasons for voting as he could think of that applied, even remotely, to Greasy Spot.
Vote: Monkey
Monkey, who do you think is most likely to be the Jester at this point?Monkey wrote:Vote: Sarcastrocause leaving a vote on someone when you're not even finished reading just seems to open a window for you to say later, Oh I didn't know that so and so was that close to a lynch.
To defend myself with my reasonings to vote greasy spot, I don't believe that's something out of the norm for myself to do. I like to make sure it's known why I'm voting for someone, and I'd still be getting pointed at today more then likely if I only used one reason I'm sure.
Which reminds me. Is the Jester going to claim today?Sarcastro wrote:As expected as that (untrue) insult is, I'm rather pleasantly surprised by the rest of your statement. Thanks, BM.Battle Mage wrote:Much as it is the case that few people like or respect him, it is also the case that he is a fairly good player, and certainly puts effort into these games. I find it very hard to see him as scum atm, UNLESS he is bluffing Jester.
I wish I were the Jester, but no, I'm not. You'd know if I were the Jester, though, because I would have won already.
An alt of who?Monkey wrote:Battle Mage wrote:1.Monkey, are you an alt?
2.if so, do you have a meta on Sarc?
3.Much as it is the case that few people like or respect him, it is also the case that he is a fairly good player, and certainly puts effort into these games.4.I find it very hard to see him as scum atm, UNLESS he is bluffing Jester.
BM1.Yes
I'll give you a hint. If Sarcastro is a good player, and he is scum, do you really think he will intentionally act as scummy as possible, UNLESS he is trying to come across as the Jester?Monkey wrote:3.What does being a good player have to do with my opinion on sarcastro's actions? I don't care if it was mith, I'd act much the same.
So you think he is just a really shite mafioso who wants to get lynched???Monkey wrote:4.That's your opinion which you're entitled to, however it's not fact and I don't have to follow with your reasoning. We're all here trying to present a case, aren't we?
Wait, so your two top suspects are:al_kohaulec wrote: My two remaining suspects are BM and MeMe. I did not list any notes on BM yet, but I simply have him color coded as scummy. MeMe, I haven't noticed her as being very active, almost seeming to post without posting. I haven't been impressed with her play. There are possible excuses for it, but generally her play hasn't seemed as strong as MeMe's play typically should be IMO.