Thespival Mafia (Denouement)
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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*looks PJ in the eyes*
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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battlemage scum too btwShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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curiouskarmadog This Space for Rant
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damn, sorry, My line of thinking was if you think he is scum, why are you relying on him to provide the information from the Mod...I guess there was a reason that didnt make sense.petroleumjelly wrote:The reason I did it that way, CKD, was so that I could send in my own private PM to Thesp asking that precise question and to see if Farside22 claimed something contrary to the result I received. Additionally, Thesp never answered my question of whether a Sane Cop would receive a guilty result on a Jester when I asked it in-thread.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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farside22 Mafia Mum
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You don't have to believe me, but if I was about to be lynched yesterday and I felt for sure I was in danger of lynch I would have told the truth before the lynch about Mith. Like today I think I'm going to be lynched no matter what I say so I'm giving you the facts before the lynch.petroleumjelly wrote: That said, I will need to mull over Farside22. I do not particularly like the way she has chosen to play; no matter how bad you think claiming might be, if you are going to claim you're better off playing it straight. If you actuallyarea Quack Doctor and had been lynched yesterday without having claimed your Quack Doctor status (i.e. you would show up as a simple Doctor) with your real targets, the town would be forced to play the rest of the game under the assumption thatsomebodyhad to have killed mith and Sarcastro, which would effect every decision the town made from that point on.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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farside22 Mafia Mum
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@mathcam: My lynch today is inevitable with the WIFOM comments made. I just didn't see the confusion people had day one with 2 deaths since a serial killer would be common to me. But with 3 people dead and PJ mentioning a possible 2nd group I felt the information necessary before I'm lynched. Not one person is listen to me and calling every comment I make scummie. I'm tired of fighting a WIFOM battle.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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lawl. I look forward to hearing this.PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:battlemage scum too btwShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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so Farside claimed to target Mith on the first night, and Sarc on the second?
im not buying it.
Unvote, Vote: Farside
If for some reason he comes up town, and i die tonight, lynch PJ tomorrow.
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Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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petroleumjelly he/him/hisThirteenthly, ...he/him/his
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Mind going into detail about that? Your play has been confusing me in general. I will give a list of things off the top of my head (without even isolating your posts) to show this.
1.)Just recently, you made a list of seven players that could be scum, none of which included me.
2.)You have claimed that active players (like yourself) who make themselves a 'center of attention' are not likely to be scum. You then fail to apply this reasoning to people other than yourself.
3.)You start the game being suspicious of myself (along with mith, but not Pooky for some reason) for arguing that the jester should claim Day One. Later you realize you were in the wrong, and you do not reference me as being suspicious for arguing pro-jester-claim again.
You then don't comment on me for a while that I can recall, excepting to say you often confuse Pooky and myself, and that I am a "law unto myself". You "mFoS" me for suggesting we lynch as if there is a not a Jester -- butagain you do not mFoS Pooky about this even though I was in agreement with Pooky.
That's at least twice you have applied something againstmebut not Pooky. Why? You seem to have a very large blind spot when it comes to Pooky this game. You even give Pooky "townie points" for saying that an acronym means "Appeal to Emotion", which is completely out of place.
Later, you say that somebody (don't recall who you were talking to, probably alky or Sarcastro) "isn't as fishy as PJ" and that you have "uneasy" vibes about me, which comes completely out of nowhere. You have not substantiated how I am fishy tobeginwith, orwhyyou claim to be "uneasy" about me.
4.)Your last post doesn't even seem to contain a logical connector. Basically, it boils down to "If PJ is right about Farside22 being a Quack Doctor, you should lynch him if I die overnight"."Logic? I call that flapdoodle."-
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I'm kind of inclined to believe farside. Remember how half assed her defenses were when asked why she defended me? And we all thought she was lying? Well, it seems she was, but ultimately that doesn't make her scum. All I'm debating between now is whether or not we should Lynch all Liars or not, but my gut feeling is telling me no. I'm wavering though. Vote count would help.-
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Why would that be wholly surprising?petroleumjelly wrote:^
Mind going into detail about that? Your play has been confusing me in general. I will give a list of things off the top of my head (without even isolating your posts) to show this.
1.)Just recently, you made a list of seven players that could be scum, none of which included me.
Dont misinterpret me. It is only when a player acts in a conciously controversial way that it is less likely that they are scum. Just posting frequently is not enough. If you want to give an example of me failing to apply this logic to my suspicions, please be my guest.PJ wrote:2.)You have claimed that active players (like yourself) who make themselves a 'center of attention' are not likely to be scum. You then fail to apply this reasoning to people other than yourself.
ROFL. So your case is that i'm buddying upto Pooky? Or does poor ickle PJ feel left out of the townie points stakes?PJ wrote:3.)You start the game being suspicious of myself (along with mith, but not Pooky for some reason) for arguing that the jester should claim Day One. Later you realize you were in the wrong, and you do not reference me as being suspicious for arguing pro-jester-claim again.
You then don't comment on me for a while that I can recall, excepting to say you often confuse Pooky and myself, and that I am a "law unto myself". You "mFoS" me for suggesting we lynch as if there is a not a Jester -- butagain you do not mFoS Pooky about this even though I was in agreement with Pooky.
That's at least twice you have applied something againstmebut not Pooky. Why? You seem to have a very large blind spot when it comes to Pooky this game. You even give Pooky "townie points" for saying that an acronym means "Appeal to Emotion", which is completely out of place.
Guess what dude- try reading the aspects of the game that dont apply to yourself. Earlier on I explained that my meta of Pooky, though limited, would suggest that he could be scum here. Later i attacked him strongly over his claim, subsequent disappearing act, and mysterious withdrawal. I also listed him as one of my top 7 suspects. So yeah, i guess i just have a soft spot for the poor fella.
I highly doubt i was comparing you to either Al Ko or Sarc, as they were as sketchy as f**k! It was more likely Mith or MeMe if my memory is any good. If it makes you feel any better, i'll reread you in a bit. Uneasy vibes does not necessarily mean 'outright scummy play'. It just means something about you seems wrong, and whilst it is hard to explain, its a good idea to note it down anyway.PJ wrote: Later, you say that somebody (don't recall who you were talking to, probably alky or Sarcastro) "isn't as fishy as PJ" and that you have "uneasy" vibes about me, which comes completely out of nowhere.
Well done. Townie points for reading comprehension. The way i see it, Farside is an easy wagon at the moment. Regardless of his affiliation, he is very likely to get lynched today. I think he is probably scum, BUT if he isnt, i have to think, how would the real scum behave in response to his wagon. And my answer is: they would oppose it, to distance from the mislynch. I should note that regardless of his affiliation, im not buying the Quack Doctor argument.PJ wrote:4.)Your last post doesn't even seem to contain a logical connector. Basically, it boils down to "If PJ is right about Farside22 being a Quack Doctor, you should lynch him if I die overnight".
I could be wrong, but it seems like his claim has been fabricated in order to support this point. Im not sure if this could be a motive for changing his claim, but its possible. My opinion is, if Farside turns out to be town, you are scum, who tried to use the only argument he could think of to distance himself from a protown lynch.
I hope this clears some issues up.
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Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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farside22 Mafia Mum
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I disagree the case on me orginally started with WIFOM logic which scum can use and people just follow. Those opposing it after my comment after voting for me based on the WIFOM may look scummie if the lynch is inevitable as far as I know PJ is still voting on me, but not sure since I haven't seen a vote count in a bit. Telling people to look at PJ after your death is just giving scum an opportunity to not only killing you, but letting PJ get easy lynched for the next day which is stupid if you are town.BUT if he isnt, i have to think, how would the real scum behave in response to his wagon. And my answer is: they would oppose it, to distance from the mislynch. I should note that regardless of his affiliation, im not buying the Quack Doctor argument.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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thats on the grounds that PJ is scum. Of course it'll all be WIFOM tomorrow either way. I'm just making it clear that his stance is pinging my scumdar.farside22 wrote:
I disagree the case on me orginally started with WIFOM logic which scum can use and people just follow. Those opposing it after my comment after voting for me based on the WIFOM may look scummie if the lynch is inevitable as far as I know PJ is still voting on me, but not sure since I haven't seen a vote count in a bit. Telling people to look at PJ after your death is just giving scum an opportunity to not only killing you, but letting PJ get easy lynched for the next day which is stupid if you are town.BUT if he isnt, i have to think, how would the real scum behave in response to his wagon. And my answer is: they would oppose it, to distance from the mislynch. I should note that regardless of his affiliation, im not buying the Quack Doctor argument.
BMShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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petroleumjelly he/him/hisThirteenthly, ...he/him/his
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*rubs temples*
1.)I find it "surprising" because you just recently listed your top seven 'suspects' -- none of which included me -- and now you are suggesting I be lynched tomorrow if Farside22 turns up scum and you die overnight. It seems to me like I've just bypassed at least six people on your list without explanation.
2.)I don't care one iota about getting 'town points' from you. I do care that you appear to be treating Pooky as if he were on unequal ground from the other players. Both Pooky and I suggest lynching as if there is no jester; you only FoS me. The three most vocal players for the Jester-Claim-On-Day-One Plan was mith, Pooky, and myself; yet the only people you claim suspicion on in this matter was mith and myself. In other words, you are not applying the same criteria to Pooky as you have been applying to other players.
The fact that you included Pooky in your "list of seven" is not really that relevant to me. What is relevant is that you have avoided FoSing him or voting, while doing the same to those players who say the same statements as he does.
3.)By all means do a reread on me.
4.)If Farside22 is lynched today and she comes up town, thenunless somebody happens to claim both the mith kill and the Sarcastro kill, I will definitely be playing under the assumption that she was indeed a Quack Doctor. And if that is the case, then regardless of whether or not you 'buy' it I will have beencorrect. I've already explained my reasoning for thinking a Quack Doctor is likely to be occurring in this game.
There is a lack of scum groups displayed in the first post (for Werewolves, Serial Killer, and Cult leader) and the extra kill last night probably came from a Vigilante going after scum or the Jester; the Vigilante probably did not kill on Night One. Thesp has a penchant for messing with sanities, and the Quack game was very memorable from Thespival. The biggest confusing issueto mewas that I had to assume Farside22 wasnota Quack Doctor based on her claimed night-choices; I was instead considering the possibilities of there being aseparateDoctor who was a Quack. Since Monkey had been lynched yesterday, however, the third kill last night was especially puzzling to me.
Additionally, why are you now applying this theory to only the Farside22 lynch (if it occurs), while not the Greasy Spot lynch or the Monkey lynch? Believe it or not,if a townsperson believes somebody who is town is on the path to being lynched, they are going to object against it.
Simply because somethingmightbe a scum strategy does not discount it from being something a townsperson would also do. Additionally, you are giving those people who have been hopping on Farside22 an extremely easy pass; your last post is in fact almostinvitingthem to lynch Farside22 because at least from your perspective, the person who will look worst if she turns up town will be the person giving reasonsagainstthe lynch."Logic? I call that flapdoodle."-
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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petroleumjelly he/him/hisThirteenthly, ...he/him/his
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PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:that's some sick guilt tripping PJ.
why haven't you promised me anything ?
*taps foot*1.)Cute answer: Because you have not asked.
2.)Serious answer: I have already explained to you that I will not be making "PJ Promises" any longer. In case you have forgotten -- and I assure you thatIhave not -- I received quite a bit of flak in "The Promise" thread.
3.)Also serious answer: Even if I were not to make an explicit "PJ Promise", I have already explained to you that I am going to refrain from promising my alignment being town with you asking, particularly because I know doing so when I am actually town willharmme in other games where I am scum and unwilling to make the promise. It's an issue of practicality concerning the metagame on me."Logic? I call that flapdoodle."-
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ROFL. Must...resist...urge to...SIG!petroleumjelly wrote:*rubs temples*
Chillax. I made that statement more as a representation of my suspicion of you, and the grounds on which i would consider you scummy for it, as opposed to actually saying you were the scummiest player in the game.PJ wrote:1.)I find it "surprising" because you just recently listed your top seven 'suspects' -- none of which included me -- and now you are suggesting I be lynched tomorrow if Farside22 turns up scum and you die overnight. It seems to me like I've just bypassed at least six people on your list without explanation.
Lol, stop it man. You're gonna give yourself a complex. Listen to me, ok.PJ wrote:2.)I don't care one iota about getting 'town points' from you. I do care that you appear to be treating Pooky as if he were on unequal ground from the other players. Both Pooky and I suggest lynching as if there is no jester; you only FoS me. The three most vocal players for the Jester-Claim-On-Day-One Plan was mith, Pooky, and myself; yet the only people you claim suspicion on in this matter was mith and myself. In other words, you are not applying the same criteria to Pooky as you have been applying to other players.
I DO NOT LIKE POOKY MORE THAN YOU. YOU'LL ALWAYS BE MY FAVOURITE SCUMMER.
rinse, repeat and relax.
Seriously though, maybe i missed the fact that Pooky said similar things. I call it as i see it, and its quite possible that i dont see everything. Either way, im not quite sure im seeing what point you are trying to make here. Other than the ridiculous accusation that i am buddying up to Pooky, i cant see a reasonable conclusion to your suggestion.
Ok Poirot, thats your analysis. Now evaluate based on what you have discovered.PJ wrote: The fact that you included Pooky in your "list of seven" is not really that relevant to me. What is relevant is that you have avoided FoSing him or voting, while doing the same to those players who say the same statements as he does.
Umm with all due respect, what in the hell are you talking about!?PJ wrote:4.)If Farside22 is lynched today and she comes up town, thenunless somebody happens to claim both the mith kill and the Sarcastro kill, I will definitely be playing under the assumption that she was indeed a Quack Doctor.
If Farside dies and comes up town, guess what? We will be TOLD whether or not he was quack doctor or a normal doctor. No need for silly assumptions.
If that happens, i will officially give you a cookie. And then lynch you.PJ wrote: And if that is the case, then regardless of whether or not you 'buy' it I will have beencorrect. I've already explained my reasoning for thinking a Quack Doctor is likely to be occurring in this game.
Most probably because the Farside wagon is slightly different, in that i feel it is just waiting to be completed, and scum have plenty of time to hop off, and even subtly fight it.PJ wrote:Additionally, why are you now applying this theory to only the Farside22 lynch (if it occurs), while not the Greasy Spot lynch or the Monkey lynch? Believe it or not,if a townsperson believes somebody who is town is on the path to being lynched, they are going to object against it.
True enough, but i go with my gut. If you seriously think the mafia are going to go by what i tell them is scummy, and what isnt, you have another thing coming. Of course, its possible that theyve been fighting for a Farside lynch all along, but it seems unlikely gambit, which would draw them into the open unnecessarily.PJ wrote: Simply because somethingmightbe a scum strategy does not discount it from being something a townsperson would also do. Additionally, you are giving those people who have been hopping on Farside22 an extremely easy pass; your last post is in fact almostinvitingthem to lynch Farside22 because at least from your perspective, the person who will look worst if she turns up town will be the person giving reasonsagainstthe lynch.
BMShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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There are only two things I feel need addressing in that last post.
1.)Thesp will probablynottell us if a Farside22 were a Quack Doctor. We were not told this information in the Quack game at Thespival, if I recall correctly.
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Just thought I'd warn you that you will not be lynching me because I will not allow that to happen. FYI. Feel free to give it the ol' college try, though.Battle Mage wrote:If that happens, i will officially give you a cookie. And then lynch you."Logic? I call that flapdoodle."-
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