Thespival Mafia (Denouement)

[Holy]

My goodness. Can we let her read?

There's plenty of interesting stuff to talk about instead...

Cam

Plenty..., really?

[Battle Mage]

My goodness. Can we let her read?

There's plenty of interesting stuff to talk about instead...

Cam

Plenty..., really?

i think he was being sarcastic.

[Holy]

Luls.

[mathcam]

Heh. Actually I wasn't. The Has/CKD dispute is pretty intricate in and of itself, and we can also talk about whether PJ is scummy for her recent behavior or whether or not I'm scummy for my recent behavior. Or if Beep's scum scores are reasonable. Or when Iammars is going to post some real content. Or whether we're at LYLO -- I don't think it's very likely, but others seem to think it might be.

Cam

[Battle Mage]

Heh. Actually I wasn't. The Has/CKD dispute is pretty intricate in and of itself

Simplest way to solve it is to lynch one of them, no?

and we can also talk about whether PJ is scummy for her recent behavior

I dont think PJ is scum.

or whether or not I'm scummy for my recent behavior.

Recent behaviour? I see little reason to suspect you on your behaviour. The strongest argument against you consists of 1 word. MeMe.

Or if Beep's scum scores are reasonable.

Personally i think they are pretty ridiculous. No offence to Beep Beep but i just cant see any solid logic for them.

Or when Iammars is going to post some real content.

I guess maybe a prod would be in order? Or enforced replacement if he isnt going to contribute. Personally im happy if he joins the CKD wagon atm.

Or whether we're at LYLO -- I don't think it's very likely, but others seem to think it might be.

I doubt we are at LyLo, but i bet we're pretty close.

Cam

BM

On a serious note, im still waiting to see what 3 questions PJ posed to me. I'd also like to see a lynch within the next 48 hours. Lets get this game moving already.

BM

[Holy]

or whether or not I'm scummy for my recent behavior.

Recent behaviour? I see little reason to suspect you on your behaviour.

The strongest argument against you consists of 1 word. MeMe.

Oh, I thought so too, lol! XD
If your behaviour alone measured without considering MeMe's, I definitely think you might be scum.

[Battle Mage]

^eh? is that post contradictory or what?

[Holy]

^Somewhat yup, I just realized what I underlined, lol. No, I don't think MeMe was that scummy. I'm still unsure about MeMe/mathcam, tbh.

[hasdgfas]

lynch CKD

[Battle Mage]

^Somewhat yup, I just realized what I underlined, lol. No, I don't think MeMe was that scummy. I'm still unsure about MeMe/mathcam, tbh.

ok, what has Mathcam done to make you feel that way?

BM

[curiouskarmadog]

OK I am back,

to answer questions, I breradcrumbed after Pooky's claim because I DID target Talitha, the night Pooky claimed to watch her. I didnt come out because I didnt know if Pooky was scum or not. I didnt breadcrumb before that because I didnt think I had to (if you meta, you will find plenty of games that I dont breadcrumb a power role because it wouldnt make a difference either way). I breadcrumbed, because after Pooky said that I was one of the people who targetted Tal, I wanted to claim..and to avoid people saying that I made up the claim on the spur of the moment, I wanted to have a trail...also, if you look back in the game, I suspected talitha of being lurking scum for quite awhile.

If you note, after Pooky claimed I was certian that he was indeed the watcher and I wanted to wait (before lynching farside) to hear his results. I found his claim odd though and felt it would be in the town's best interest to wait...and I am glad I did.

In reference to Has though, I find it interesting that one no (again) is really questioning Has's claim yesterday which combined with farside's lies lead to farside's mislynch. Now Has's claims another outlandish claim, and I am the one under the heat...why is that? The only person that seems to be actually thinking and not being lead around by mafia is PJ...

Has, please quit avoiding this question (think you have not answered it twice now)...what does your card look like? I have two pictures on mine, you get two words, surely you should be able to describe it in two words!

Also I dont think we have a SK, I think we have a Vig, to me it is pretty obvious who the vig is and has been for sometime.

[hasdgfas]

consensus :arrow: answer

[curiouskarmadog]

consensus :arrow: answer

why do you need a consensus to descibe your card?

[Mastermind of Sin]

back in town, will probably read tomorrow, if I'm not too busy playing brawl

[Mizzy]

Okay, I have thoroughly gone through the first 10 pages and taken notes. I'm sorry my reading is slow, but I've replaced into over 200 pages worth of games in the last week.

Page 1:

Confirming stage, nothing of interest.

Page 2:

Random voting stage
#30: Captain Bandwagon (rep by farside22) asks about a cow bandwagon.
#32: Greasy Spot asks about a Dani Banani bandwagon, instead due to lack of confirmation.
#34: curiouskarmadog random votes Greasy Spot
#35: tyhess (rep by Mr_Gnome_It_All) random votes curiouskarmadog
#36: Iammars random votes Mith
#37: Captain Bandwagon (rep by farside22) random votes QuickBen (rep by AmeliaSlay, Mizzy)
#38: Captain Bandwagon (rep by farside22) random votes Mith
#40: hasdgfas random votes MeMe (rep by Mathcam)
#41: MeMe random votes Dani Banani
#42: Mith suggests that the Jester out themselves early, and asks the mafia not to fake-claim jester.
#43: PookyTheMagicalBear agrees with Mith about the Jester claiming and says everyone needs to work together against the mafia.
#44: MeMe agrees with Mith about the Jester claiming
#46:Greasy Spot semi-random votes Captain Bandwagon (rep by farside22)
#49: Mith calls for all townies to proclaim that they are or are not the Jester.

My Thoughts:

I can understand why Mith wants the Jester to claim but I can also see why the Jester would not want to claim. The Jester has no reason to want to help town. Mith is coming off as town, no opinions on anyone else yet.

Page 3:

#50: Mith says that mafia should NOT proclaim they are not the Jester.
#52: petroleumjelly also says the Jester should claim immediately and random votes Dani Banani
#53: hasdgfas claims to not be the Jester.
#54: Iammars claims to not be the Jester.
#55: Talitha says how awesome claimed Jester is and says it's the best non-mafia strategy.
#56: Mith questions if Talitha is trying to get someone to false-claim Jester and again calls for Jester claims.
#57: Captain Bandwagon asks Mith to elaborate on why it's best for the Jester to claim.
#58: Mith suggests an action-centered strategy based around the deadlines.
#59: Mith FoSes Captain Bandwagon for "obvious scum confusion tactics"
#60: Captain Bandwagon asks about the strategies behind the Jester claiming and asks a lot of questions I would have had, as well.
#61: Mith answers about why the Jester claiming is best for both Town and Jester.
#62: PookyTheMagicalBear makes a huge and well-written post about why the Jester should claim now. I find that really, really funny.
#68: Greasy Spot questions the benefits of claiming Jester.
#72: Greasy Spot gets his facts mixed up about Jester win conditions.
#74: Mith FoSes Greasy Spot for scum confusion tactics.

My Thoughts:

I don't like Mith's FoS on Captain Bandwagon because of a legit question. Mith doesn't look any less pro-town to me, though.

Page 4:

#76: Mith asks Greasy Spot outright if he is the Jester and claims innocent townie.
#86: Mith votes Greasy Spot.
#88: PookyTheMagicalBear votes Greasy Spot.
#91: Greasy Spot OMGUS-votes Mith.
#92: petroleumjelly votes Greasy Spot. Jelly offers some well-put endgame logic.
#95: Mith makes Green Couch references.
#98: Greasy Spot begins to see the reasoning of a Jester win.

My Thoughts:

I laughed out loud knowing what I know now at Pooky's Jester post. I don't like how forecful Mith is about his attack on Greasy Spot but I can see why he is doing it. Greasy Spot is valiently fighting for what he believes in, even if it makes him look scummy, something I do a bit too much, maybe. I feel Mith thinking Greasy Spot is scum because of his questioning of the Jester claim tactic is way too premature when it could just be a sign of Greasy being stubborn.

Page 5:

#101: Mith pressures Greasy Spot for a Jester claim.
#103: Greasy Spot says he is not the Jester.
#105: Mith wants to lynch Greasy Spot.
#109: Dani Banani FoSes Greasy Spot and semi-random votes Mastermind of Sin
#110: Mith asks Dani Banani why the vote on Mastermind of Sin
#112: Captain Bandwagon (rep by farside22) votes Greasy Spot. No reason given.
#114: tyhess (rep by Mr_Gnome_It_All) votes Greasy Spot because of the avoidance of answering questions.
#118: Mith FoSes Dani Banani for semi-random voting when they have suspects.
#120: curiouskarmadog confirm votes Greasy Spot.
#121: Iammers votes Greasy Spot.
#122: Mith asks that no more votes on Greasy Spot be placed until the Jester confirms himself/herself.
#123: petroleumjelly ponders the pro-town/pro-mafia sides of the Couch role.

My Thoughts:

Again, Mith pushing for what I feel would be a premature wagon and lynch based on little solid evidence. Mith seems to be very assertive about his opinions and I feel he's going too quickly. If I didn't know he ended up town, I'd have begun to suspect him for his eagerness to get to night. Interesting that Dani semi-randomly votes MoS when he hadn't posted yet.

Page 6:

#126: Captain Bandwagon (rep by farside22) discusses Couch strategy.
#127: MeMe votes Iammers for saying tyhess (rep by Mr_Gnome_It_All) will just get shot by scum if the role gets too powerful against them.
#128: petroleumjelly FoSes Iammers.
#130: Mith FoSes Iammers.
#131: hasdgfas votes Iammers.
#132: Iammers discovers his mistake and retracts comment.
#133: Dani Banani semi-defends Greasy Spot.
#134: RossWilliam expresses a desire to vote for Greasy Spot.
#137: Captain Bandwagon (rep by farside22) FoSes Iammers.
#138: Mastermind of Sin random votes Tyhess.
#141: Mith asks Mastermind of Sin if he is scum with Dani Banani.
#144: Dani Banani notices a possible dice roll problem by Mastermind of Sin.

Page7:

#150: QuickBen (rep by AmeliaSlay, Mizzy) FoSes Mastermind of Sin for random voting. FoSes lurkers. Claims not Jester.
#151: Holy votes hasdgfas for being quiet.
#156: curiouskarmadog confirms not-Jester.
#157: Captain Bandwagon (rep by farside22) confirm-votes Greasy Spot.
#160: Dani Banani claims not-Jester and not-scum.
#161: al_kohaulec FoSes Greasy Spot and Iammers. Claims not-Jester.
#164: Mastermind of Sin votes Greasy Spot, claims not-Jester, FoSes everyone who hasn't claimed not-Jester or Jester.

My Thoughts:

Possible scumtell from Iammers, but interesting how much attention is being put on it when there's still no Jester claim and a close-by lynch. MoS random voted though the random vote stage had clearly ended. More attacking of Greasy Spot, and I probably would have gotten my ass kicked for piping up and saying I didn't think him scummy if I had been around then.

Page 8:

#175: Tyhess claims not-Jester. FoSes Iammers, FoSes Dani Banani for the semi-random vote.
#182: petroleumjelly unvotes Greasy Spot to prevent a quicklynch.
#192: Dani Banani asks tyhess who they find most suspicious and why they're not voting for them.
#192: Holy unvotes hasdgfas

My Thoughts:

Petrolium hit my pro-town list for his unvote of Greasy Spot. There's a lot of talk about how to "control" the Couch recruiter towards the bottom. Not sure how I feel about that.

Page 9:

My Thoughts: Lots of strategy discussion about recruiting. Not much to go on for me.

Page 10:

#226: Battle Mage joke-claims Jester.
#230: Battle Mage votes Dani Banani and gives a list of suspects.
#232: wolfcrier (rep by Beep! Beep!, JDGA) claims not-Jester.
#242: Battle Mage says he doesn't like the Greasy Wagon.
#244: Captain Bandwagon (rep by farside22) FoSes Battle Mage.

My Thoughts:

Captain Bandwagon annoys me with his immediate jump-on-Battle Mage act just because Battle Mage doesn't like the wagon on Greasy.

My thoughts on the first 10 pages:

Mith, Pertroleum, and Battle Mage look like town to me, though I seriously would have kept my eyes on Mith (I feel like his play in these pages was pretty harmful to town, though I can see why he did it.) Greasy Spot looks like an opportunity wagon and there was no real case on him. Captain Bandwagon annoys me but didn't come off as scummy. Very little read on many others because of the lack of posting. It seems to mainly be the same folks.

All in all, I simultaneously can't believe the mislynch happened because of the lack of evidence and looking at how many confirmed town were on it, it just makes me cringe.

[Mizzy]

EBWOP: Sorry, left out a sentence:

All in all, I simultaneously can't believe the mislynch happened because of the lack of evidence and looking at how many confirmed town were on it, it just makes me cringe. I can also see why it happened, but I would have been very against the whole thing if I'd been here and active back then.

[Iammars]

you realise over-defensiveness is a scumtell right?

Vote: Battle Mage

Blatant scum tell.

[Battle Mage]

you realise over-defensiveness is a scumtell right?

Vote: Battle Mage

Blatant scum tell.

lol you sure thats not coz i suggested the Mod kick you out of the game?

BM

[Battle Mage]

My Thoughts:

I can understand why Mith wants the Jester to claim but I can also see why the Jester would not want to claim. The Jester has no reason to want to help town. Mith is coming off as town, no opinions on anyone else yet.

Why would wanting to out the Jester be more of a towntell, than a scumtell, as theoretically, scum and town both want the jester outted asap?

BM

[Mizzy]

My Thoughts:

I can understand why Mith wants the Jester to claim but I can also see why the Jester would not want to claim. The Jester has no reason to want to help town. Mith is coming off as town, no opinions on anyone else yet.

Why would wanting to out the Jester be more of a towntell, than a scumtell, as theoretically, scum and town both want the jester outted asap?

BM

It wasn't

just

that he wanted the Jester out, it was how he worded things, too. His actions and posts came off as extremely self-righteous-townie, and it really felt to me like he wanted the Jester out more from a pro-town standpoint than any other reason. Just the read I got. I still don't like his methods, though. He was very harsh.

[curiouskarmadog]

Jesus Christ...

FoS Iammars..

Why exactly do you feel that BM is a better vote than Has or myself? I think you know I am a townie, and you dont want to be on the lynch.

Has, quit stalling, what does your damn card look like?...why is no one else holding him to the fire about this? He is obviously refusing to answer the question, why does no one care? We have played like shit this game, letting the mafia pull us around by our noses...please think!

Which claim actaully makes sense? Has claimed to have vigged Sarc when he had no previous suspicion of him? Or me roleblocking Talitha, when I thought she was scum and actively attacked her? Seems like a convienent claim which ended up hanging farside. Again no one wonders why he tracked me last night out of everyone that was/is actually acting scummy (like RW, Beep, or Pooky?) I cant believe this town is actually following Beep around..

Actually think about this!

[hasdgfas]

green, handwritten

[curiouskarmadog]

green, handwritten

and why did you need a

consensus :arrow: answer

for that bullshit?

[hasdgfas]

twas joke

[curiouskarmadog]

oh please, someone call him on this crap...