Same q.q 4 people hadn't even posted and a resolution was passed in not even 24 hours.In post 728, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I slept through the phase -.-In post 619, Spiffeh wrote:It's very unlikely that all scum would just avoid the phase altogether. Nero had what I feel is the scummiest contribution so far.In post 616, Akane and Nebby wrote:Spiffeh, going by that, wouldn't it be better for scum!Nero to not post at all?
Like, some people DID get away with that.
With that said I do agree with you and I also like the fact that you're poking Nero right now.
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My reads are that I shouldn't play games with you if I don't want something hammered D1 while I sleep, apparently -.-In post 902, Akane and Nebby wrote:<3.
Now you're talking to me about the game.
What are your reads?
Aside from that, I'm still catching up, so this is like 5+ pages back. I like you and Drixx for town.
Dislike the Vecna interactions toward The DEO slot, but I'm also concerned that I've actually agreed with Math on pretty much everything so far.
LUV vs beeboy looks more like a reading comprehension failure than anything. I don't think it's on purpose.
I kind of zoned out during the mechanics argument so I'm going to need a second read of the game. I just wanted to catch up asap since you guys were posting 2 pages every time I read one.
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Umm I haven't made any decisions on wonders yet. I want to check in with mastina on some thoughts first to check if I have good theories on synergies.In post 972, Akane and Nebby wrote:I'm waving it off because honestly, I don't feel pressure.
Jae are you building that wonder?In post 916, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:Also whoever is planning to be neighborized or masons if we have them should get the day chat wonder. It cuts scum out from getting it and is useful to keep communication open during the day.
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Talk to me about this? I haven't liked the way it has been shading The DEO, yet comes across as though it believes they're town when it does.In post 973, Elbirn wrote:Vecna achieved obvtown levels earlier and I really want DEO hydra to not be salty at them-
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I mean I said it already? It'd be nice to keep out of scum's hands. It's only useful for like masons though I think, or whoever the neighborizer plans on targeting maybe. I think the main strength is in keeping it out of scum hands to deny them day chat.In post 978, Akane and Nebby wrote:
I'm not at all.In post 975, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
Umm I haven't made any decisions on wonders yet. I want to check in with mastina on some thoughts first to check if I have good theories on synergies.In post 972, Akane and Nebby wrote:I'm waving it off because honestly, I don't feel pressure.
Jae are you building that wonder?In post 916, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:Also whoever is planning to be neighborized or masons if we have them should get the day chat wonder. It cuts scum out from getting it and is useful to keep communication open during the day.
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Why are you questioning who signed?
But the daytalk wonder does interest you, right?
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I think that was actually Malachite lol. It's still town from them tho, I agree.In post 979, Elbirn wrote:I woke up because I temembered what I wanted to say about akane, which is this: their insistence on getting the neighborizer, a piss poor role, to the point that they seem ready to throw a fit and will just "twiddle their thumbs" if they don't get it, struck me as so very much an alisae-move and it makes no sense as a scum-play
As for Nero I see you but I'm still going back to sleep. What you said went over my head but it sounds like Titus just being wrong or something, will re-evaluate sleep consumes me goodbye *dies*
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Oh, I didn't notice that part. It said "Factional topics" and I assumed that applied to us as well. Never mind then.In post 983, Akane and Nebby wrote:Jae, you just scumclaimed.
Here's why.How the fuck is a mason supposed to get it when it's only avalable to NON-TOWN PLAYERS!
Like, holy fucking shit Jae. Scum can't be denied something that's only for them.
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Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Opening post.In post 968, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
What was pinging you from Mala back here?In post 248, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Mala head is what's pinging me about A&N.
Those? You mean the preference for science over none?In post 7, Akane and Nebby wrote:I too am for sciences. Will need to consult with Nebby, though
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I assume you meanIn post 993, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:There's no way you could've have noticed that partnotnotice that part, and obviously there is.-
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I mean I actually said it'd be good for masons and whoever was getting neighborized. I was trying to hint at The DEO to get it since I figured you'd be targeting them.In post 995, Akane and Nebby wrote:Building it and showing interest in it is one in the same Jae.
Plus I asked you 3 times dude!
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Yes, there is. I never once said I was building the damn thing. I was trying to get others to do so.In post 998, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Yep and no there isn't.In post 996, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
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Having been a mason with day talk before I strongly disagree with you on this. Being able to bounce something off another slot that you know is town is one of the strongest things in the game, and being able to coordinate who you both want to push and share unfiltered thoughts is insanely strong.In post 1001, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Yeah that's bull Jae. Masons being able to talk during the night is enough. Being practically confirmed innoncents is better than Day talk. The only way I see it being useful is to coordinate a mass claim.
Hell, having been a third party survivor faction before it was incredibly useful, as well.
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Alisae bolded it. It's not bolded in the first post.In post 1004, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Doesn't matter. There is no you couldn't have seen the bolded. It's right after the name of the Wonder.In post 1002, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
Yes, there is. I never once said I was building the damn thing. I was trying to get others to do so.In post 998, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Yep and no there isn't.In post 996, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
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No, the neighbourhood one doesn't explicitly state it has daytalk. It says it's there for a day and night phase.In post 1005, Akane and Nebby wrote:So, I thought you actually just didn't read it. Mostly because for Mausoleum, it states that the neighborhood has daytalk, but here are a few things that are scummy about this defence.
A. Tone - Feels like you're just attempting to brush it off as nothing.
B. Wording - I bolded the "Non-Town" part. You emphasized the "Factional" part. That's quite interesting, wouldn't you agree?
Sorry, but this dies.
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A. After spending from 7am to 5pm reading this thread, 10 hours, I actually don't have the energy.
B. Because the part that I noticed first was that it was factional. I don't even get what you're getting at here, tbh.
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But whatever. Quoting this so I can look over LUV again in the morning and check the context in full here.In post 990, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Legit slip A&N? You think?
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So you're positing I came into this thread, as scum, saw it said "non-town", then thought "hey you know what would be an absolutely brilliant idea??? Trying to get town to build this for ??? reasons because Nahdia wouldn't OBVIOUSLY point out to them that it's a non-town wonder!"In post 1010, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I know that but just stop. The non-town part was originally in italics which naturally forces people to draw their attention to it. There is no way you missed that.
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Like, I'm fucking stupid but I'd actually be thinking a little bit more about my actions as scum considering I've barely played the alignment.
Unless you're claiming that I'm saying I thought it'd be a good idea to submit the day chat thing then CLAIM IT IN THREAD AS SCUM KNOWING IT'S NON-TOWN.
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10. I spent 10 hours trying to catch up because I went to sleep as the thread opened and you guys decided to have stupid ass mechanical arguments instead of getting it over and done with and scumhunting. Which I thought you were probably town for trying to push it away from that.In post 1014, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:No you saw it and tried to be bold. You just said you spent over 8+ hours reading this thread.
Can you link me a game where you've pushed something as a "slip" as town before?
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B. ? I don't get it. I told you what stood out to me when I read it originally. Town is a faction.In post 1015, Akane and Nebby wrote:A. -
B. That you aren't town.
Why would a neighbourhood even exist during the dayphase if it was locked? That just seems silly to me.
But the thing is I can read you. Right now I'm not getting the townvibes my dude.
But I'm gonna go to sleep. I think I need it imo.
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You're not getting townvibes because you're not trying to read me. You're just trying to get a scumread off a tell or perceived slip, and I know you're not pushing it as such but that is actually what you're positing, is that I somehow scumslipped there, yes? Most slips aren't actually slips, and you know that.
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Alisae is still newish and a lot of NAI things come across as scummy to him.In post 1017, Maxous wrote:Don't trust A&N Hydra's over aggression as much as some others do. They're hedging their bets on too many wagons and some of the reads are too surface level looking for my liking.
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It's not a scumtell when shedoesn'tpost but the Akane head tends to post a lot more as town, so when that happens there's a very solid chance that she's town. The engagement with wanting the neighborizer wonder and fight for it isn't something I'd expect from her as scum at all. It's second-hand meta from Firebringer that has been helpful in reading her in a past game for me.-
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That's not doubt casting. That's asking for a game where you've done the same so I know if it's a personality trait or my scumtell. I've caught scum before for pushing on slips that aren't actually slips. I've also correctly identified town doing it as opposed to scum doing it before. It would help to know if you've done it before as town.In post 1026, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
You know I was just trolling a bit earlier as a way to feel you out and get you involved into the game but this response seals it for me. The fact that you're trying to doubt cast my push by asking for a game in where I push a slip as town speaks volumes.In post 1016, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
10. I spent 10 hours trying to catch up because I went to sleep as the thread opened and you guys decided to have stupid ass mechanical arguments instead of getting it over and done with and scumhunting. Which I thought you were probably town for trying to push it away from that.In post 1014, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:No you saw it and tried to be bold. You just said you spent over 8+ hours reading this thread.
Can you link me a game where you've pushed something as a "slip" as town before?
Be bold with what? Like what's the scum motivation there?
You're trying to tell me that you saw The Great Lighthouse and then immediately after your eyes magically skipped to the words factional. Considering what has been already pointed out, I find that very hard to believe. It's quite bold though because not only did you thought you could dumb tell and get away with it, you also tried to sell us on something that masons and neighbors don't really need.
I'm trying to tell you I skimmed it when I c/p'ed it to the hydra pt to discuss with mastina when she had the time. And I don't dumb tell. I've chewed out a previous hydra partner for doing it before, and that was when we were actually scum. I very rarely gambit, I don't dumbtell, and I almost always have a red flag when someone tries to push a non-slip as a scumslip.
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See: 10 hours of straight reading.In post 1034, Fro99er wrote:
I call bullshit that my read was shallow on Uzi.In post 1024, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:Can you talk to me about your Frogger read? I wasn't a huge fan of the shallow read on LUV from him and the townread on Spiffeh that looked kinda like he was trying to buddy him.
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I'll check back up on it. I guess I need sleep and a fresh look because I'm not remembering things too well.In post 1035, Maxous wrote:
i don't see the issue of trusting a meta-read onIn post 1024, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:Can you talk to me about your Frogger read? I wasn't a huge fan of the shallow read on LUV from him and the townread on Spiffeh that looked kinda like he was trying to buddy him.Day 1with 21 players.
if he's still holding onto it on Day 4 or something, then yeah ok.
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Mmkay. Your issue with it is you think it was a bold dumb tell rather than a slip, though, from what I'm gathering from your push here?In post 1043, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I probably haven't to be honest.
See I mean that sounds believable but at the same time, the fact that you just said you copied and pasted it, means it was highlighted and that you probably took another look at it before dumping it into the Hydra PT. If so, if you're town, you would realize there would be no reason to discuss it.
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Hm I put down the wrong person, sorry. I did have an issue with the Spiffeh buddying and the meta reading clear of Uzi but I forgot about the other reasons you had for tring Uzi that I agreed with earlier on.In post 1038, Fro99er wrote:
No.In post 1036, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:You were the one that tr Uzi for tring nero?
I tr Uzi, but not for that.
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I mean to be fair I'm more interested in the MathBlade head currently, as I think they're the one I'll be able to read easiest of the two due to experience, but I don't think I've ever incorrectly read Titus when she's been scum. 2 game titus replacemenet meta OP.In post 1047, Vecna wrote:
Your assumption that it will be obvious when Titus is scum is false.In post 977, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
Talk to me about this? I haven't liked the way it has been shading The DEO, yet comes across as though it believes they're town when it does.In post 973, Elbirn wrote:Vecna achieved obvtown levels earlier and I really want DEO hydra to not be salty at them
Approaching her like that is a mistake.
I have meta-reasons to be suspicious. Maybe they will vanish in time, maybe they will not.
Call it shading if you want, I really dont care.
Im gonna keep an open mind and not rule anything out for now.
Ill try to do so without getting in the way of town-titus (if that is the case), but im gonna keep prodding to see if everyhing is in order.
So far nothing ive seen from Titus should give anyone a lock on her alignment, so "shading me for shading her" is total nonsense.
I get the benefit of the doubt and wanting Titus to do her job if she's town, but I feel like your posts have been more designed to throw doubt on her reads a lot.
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I mean that didn't cross my mind at that point, but yeah.In post 1049, Vecna wrote:
Forcing townslips by pretending to not read something scum wouldve obviously read and be aware of though?In post 1012, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
So you're positing I came into this thread, as scum, saw it said "non-town", then thought "hey you know what would be an absolutely brilliant idea??? Trying to get town to build this for ??? reasons because Nahdia wouldn't OBVIOUSLY point out to them that it's a non-town wonder!"In post 1010, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I know that but just stop. The non-town part was originally in italics which naturally forces people to draw their attention to it. There is no way you missed that.
Fuck off.
I mean, either its a hard townslip or a forced one/dumbtell.
That sounds like a plausible strategy for scum wouldnt you agree?
I don't necessarily think those are the only two options though. Carelessness and trying to rush things can come from either alignment. Overall it's pretty null to have not read something fully because you're trying to rush things.
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Same tbh, it's why I'm trying to engage despite feeling fried, basically.In post 1052, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Got like Vecna, AnN, Drixx TRs so far. It was hard to digest much of anything because I only read and didn't take it in as it happened. Off work tomorrow though so I'm hopeful for tomorrow
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JaeReed. This is my game to try to improve with teaching behind the scenes.In post 1058, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Are we talking to JaeReed or mastina right now, and does that player always talk like this?
Like, with this tone. Does it sound natural to someone who is familiar with the poster?
pedit: Spiffeh is mickey avatar right? Not sure, let me think about him. I think I saw that frogger push and thought it looked good but I wanted to find something for myself
By the time I finished reading up it was late for US time I think tho. I don't know if she's read up on the thread or not, but basically she's not going to be giving me any reads or anything, but just guiding me. So like "given this, what do you think?" type stuff, and "you see that, now ask yourself this".
And no, this tone shouldn't be normal for me I'd think? I'm pretty out of it rn and just trying to get engaged since my memory works better on things I was actually here for.
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No, not quite. I take issue with the way it was done.In post 1062, Vecna wrote:So you take issue with me defending myself and my strongest townread (LUV)? And letting them know theyre wrong about both?
Because thats what all those posts are except for the last one.
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I just checked. No you did not before the majority of thoses posts. Your earliest mention of actual reasoning for why LUV was any different from his scum meta was 661. There was only one post in my quotes there that came after that.In post 1064, Vecna wrote:And I did engage several times, in great detail, why I believe the read on LUV is wrong.
Youre awarded 1 suspicion point.
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Not caught up yet. Read up to about page 70.
Quick points:
A&N is obvtown. Stop it.
LUV, if I made consistent notes all the way through while I was catching up I literally would never have caught up with the rate you guys were churning out pages.
Vecna saying I avoided the thread after he voted me or some shit is an actual lie. It was a full hour of nothing from it since my last post and I had to have dinner and go to bed at some stage. And of course I'd have to iso it to find the posts that pinged me when it asked me to quote them. That argument would hold more weight if it didn't happen in a fucking fluid conversation where I was responding to things as I got them.
Frogger trying to set me up as mafia if it's multiball based off one comment that quite literally was just me not reading something properly makes me really uneasy.
VOTE: Vecna
I'm having a lot of trouble here because on the one hand some of its content is actually pretty solid, and on the other some is just super fucking slimey, like trying to tie me to Yuri because of the way Yuri was defending me despite the fact that Yuri has defended and attempted to buddya lotof people this game. It really feels like it knows Yuri will flip scum and is trying to set up a mislynch on me. I feel like it's approaching the game from a set stances mindset.
Yuri: I'm not a fan of the buddying and whiteknighting, which I know is ironic coming from me. That said I don't feel like the emotional response to LUV's push to reveal their main was fake.
beeboy: I feel like the majority of your scumreads are lynchbait and you're usually better than that. That said, disagree with Spiffeh on the meta case. My meta on beeboy is the opposite way around, and more recent. He seems to have been largely disengaged with his games in general (at least roughly 6 months back).
LUV: I thought he was lock town with the way he was being a douche to Yuri and trying to get the main outed so he could talk about his read there, because it's something that is actually below the belt to do as scum. The fact that he later claims the whole push there was fake and he didn't actually know Yuri to begin with has me unsure what to think on it overall other than it being flat douchey tbh. That said, I think his push on me is more misguided than scummy.
Sondam: I think I can sort them given time, but I do need gerry to back up a bit on The DEO because I also think I can sort them given some time and interactions with both heads.-
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Also since this whole stupid day chat wonder talk is going on still...
mastina has pointed out to me that with the way the draft works this game is very unlikely to have started with masons since we're literally all choosing our roles as the game progresses. Alisae put me in a really uncomfortable position when they asked me if I was interested in building it because I thought it would be denying I was a mason to say I wasn't, and possibly narrowing down the pool for scum if we did have masons. I figured they might work like Trials (another game Nahdia modded) with being a passive ability assigned to slots but with the addition of being able to build wonders that doesn't work from a setup spec standpoint.-
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I didn't explicitly say it was AI. Did imply I was thinking about it possibly being townie so eh. Anyway, I generally find scum have a harder time faking emotional responses to things. I felt like Yuri was genuinely upset there, regardless of alignment it was really uncomfortable to read tbh.In post 2079, Fro99er wrote:
How is that even alignment indicative?In post 2075, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:Yuri: I'm not a fan of the buddying and whiteknighting, which I know is ironic coming from me. That said I don't feel like the emotional response to LUV's push to reveal their main was fake.
If I had an alt (I don't), I'd get pissed if someone wanted me to reveal it as well, independent of if I was town or scum.
Your point is noted.
No, I was just bringing up something I remembered off the top of my head from when I started trying to catch up in reading last night. I have mixed feelings on you, and I'm not fully caught up.In post 2082, Fro99er wrote:
No, that was me saying it's quite possible you're town not slipping when everyone else was scumreading you for the slip.In post 2075, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:Frogger trying to set me up as mafia if it's multiball based off one comment that quite literally was just me not reading something properly makes me really uneasy.
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Depends on your other content. I'd definitely keep it in mind if we ended up in lylo together because I've lost games off scum faking townslips before, so I can see your issue with it, but I've not sat back and let anyone push it as such because I think it's stupid to be read off a "townslip" that is quite frankly just incompetence on my end. And that's being read either way. Which is why I tried to shut that down the moment Vecna said it had the possibility to be a hard townslip. It's not. It's me not reading, which would happen as either alignment when I'm rushing to catch up.In post 2096, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:@Notice: Would you believe me if I was in your position?-
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You were continually trying to make sure people weren't going to listen to The DEO - my pointIn post 2101, Vecna wrote:you come into the thread with a scumread on me, because im apparently shading DEO.
I ask you to clarify this, and you do.
I tell you that I was defending myself, and discrediting reads off DEO against me and LUV.
You respond, stating ive never even hard-defended luv based on written reasons untill after post 670 or w/e
I show you that all the stuff you quoted, was me defending myself and discreditin the scumread i was getting from DEO, and I was only discrediting his read on LUV AFTER that post 670, showin you your points are moot.
No response to that whatsoever. My conclusion: fabricated read based on errors.
You aggressively tell me I'm full of shit basically unless I can produce quote evidence - your defense
I produce said quote evidence - my support to my point
You were defending yourself and discrediting reads off DEO against yourself and LUV - your defense
I point back to my said quote evidence having quotes before your defense of LUV, with only 1 of them being after that - my rebuttal to the last part of that
You tell me I'm full of shit, basically, because you know you're town and don't want people to listen to The DEO's read on you because of that - your defense
My point is not moot. You still shaded The DEO, and discredited their reads in general because of one wrong read on you. I'll give you that some of them could be you just flat defending from a bad read but things like 132 and 650 are actually you discrediting a person's reads as a whole rather than just the one on your own slot, and those were before you gave any reasons for LUV being town. If you're meta reading someone based off past experience you can't possibly expect everyone else in the game to have the same read as you.-
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Except Yuri has literally been buddying the fuck out of and defending like half the playerlist, so this association is trash and ignoring the million other people who Yuri has done this to.In post 2125, Vecna wrote:
Ah right, this is what you meant. Thank you for reminding me, because this was indeed an important observation.In post 1664, Vecna wrote:
Also the fact that you instantly think of this example in such a big game tells us something.In post 1603, Yuri wrote:....Bruh this is hilarious you were literally pushing a Jaereedhydra lynch on the basis that they slipped
You really pay a lot of attention to what is happening in regards to Jeareed and A&E.
If you flip scum, ill take this as another suspicion point for the Jeareed Hydra.
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A&N mentions a list of things he looks for as scum indications.
In less than a minute, Yuri chimes in with the throwback that A&N was doing one of these very things to JaeReed.
I notice that this is very suspicious. How would you read a list of things people use to look for scumtells and IMEDIATELY link it to something that person did to someone else in this game? And then mention this very example to throw it back in their face. You wouldnt, unless it has been going through your head recently.
I once again put forward the notion that if YURI flips scum, he was so quick with this leap in logic because he has been thinking about the scumslip/dumbtell that A&N was hammering on. I feel there is a potential strong association here between Yuri & Jaereed.
Its allmost too pretty to be true, but ive said it before: If Yuri is scum, this is condemning evidence against Jaereed in combination with my other points ive been putting forward.
VOTE: Yuri
I'm pretty sure this just comes from someone who knows Yuri will flip scum because you're buddies, and you can't see a way to stop this ship from sinking so you want to tie me to them for an easy "justified" mislynch tomorrow.-
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Why are you townreading Vecna?In post 2139, The DEO wrote:
This.In post 2136, Fro99er wrote:Can Caesar give their royal thoughts on junior senator yuri
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That list of scumtells is actually something I was told by someone I respect a while ago that I passed on to Alisae because of his ideas about what are/aren't scumtells. I find it telling that you notice the time frame on that and yet didn't notice that an hour had elapsed between my response to you and your vote on me early game which you then tried to spin as me not responding to being indicative of dodging engagement with you while I slept. (I know right? How fucking scummy of me to be a human being with real life needs and commitments!)In post 2145, Vecna wrote:I can only hope he will flip scum, and youre once again misrepresenting my case here. Im not talking about buddying.
im talking about a timing thing.
its almost a neurological argument.
A&E made a list of like 6-8 items that he uses to look for scumtells. It was a decent sized paragraph. Within a time-period of 60 seconds, Yuri identifies one of them as being ironic, because A&E did the very same thing with you.
My claim is that this is so short of a timeframe to have this very sharp response, that Yuri must have been thinking a decent chunk about this very fact before. You dont instantly have this fact availlable to throw it into someones face unless it has been deliberated upon earlier for other reasons. Notice how Yuri never engaged on this point before though.
That is the association that I see. One of potential scum teammates, by virtue of him instantly thinking of -your- case, out of all the potential people and all the other potential examples that mightve been in the thread at that point.
And it doesn't occur to you that Yuri might have had that instant response because they were thinking about A&E pushing on it as a slip as scummy themself if town? Of course not, because you know Yuri is your buddy and you know that wasn't town motivated, which is why you could jump to that conclusion to try to tie me to them. It doesn't even occur to you that Yuri as scum might have been looking for a way to push A&N's push on me as scum-motivated anyway. Your sole motivation there was tying me to that slot.-
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I don't scumread them half as much as I scumread Vecna.In post 2161, The DEO wrote:
Long story short. Reasons.In post 2141, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
Why are you townreading Vecna?In post 2139, The DEO wrote:
This.In post 2136, Fro99er wrote:Can Caesar give their royal thoughts on junior senator yuri
The Vecna situation will take longer than a few moments to resolve with Math, and I want to work with them to make sure their points come across in the best way possible.
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Vote Yuri. You scumread them. You'd swing a wagon towards them. We are not voting Vecna today.
What are your reads supposing Vecna is town?
Supposing Vecna town lessens my Yuri scumread a bit, as some of that is pre-flip strengthening my read. Still not fond of the slot's whiteknighting based off shaky grounds and buddying.
I have A&N hard town both for Alisae head's reaction testing and erratic playstyle lining up with his town meta so far and for Malachite's early game posting (this is also a meta read but one I'm confident in to the point where I don't ever intend to re-evaluate on this slot).
I need more interaction with you and MathBlade to feel comfortable with a read here. My main concern is not being able to sort Math since they're not able to post as much, since their reads have aligned with mine perfectly at times and they're not scumreading me. As far as with you, I can't understand your reads on some people at all, which isn't anything new, and you seem less hard tunnel on one slot than I was expecting to see from you as either alignment. I have you at a tentative town until I get a better feel from MathBlade and see your read adjustments as the game progresses.
Drixx is hard town, I can't see scum approaching the game as he did from the start with the blatant hard buddying of a slot known to get extremely paranoid over that.
beeboy pushing the lynchbait strikes me as off for him as I usually consider him to be really good at reading the tone of players.
Frogger I can see going either way but I'm currently thinking he might be town because I get this feeling that he'd look kinda obvtown to me as scum. I almost want to do a meta dive where I mix up the tabs so I don't know from the start which game is which to see if my theory here is true, I just haven't had the time to do so yet.
As for the others I haven't been here enough and focused on them enough to poke at them to get a good feel. I do think Spiffeh believed in his meta case of beeboy, so I'd be more inclined to say town there, and I do think he believed that anything other than a no resolution would screw us, and he probably wouldn't have needed to push that viewpoint so hard as scum, I think.-
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Vecna and Frogger mainly. I don't really know why you had Creature as town earlier either since I'm struggling to read him either way this game.In post 2200, The DEO wrote:Which reads of mine don't make sense? You're not getting Math until I have my theory wall of the gamestate done and wake them.-
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1839 I feel better about beeboy here ftr, leaving this til I eat for now, but Creature's focus on the wonders on that page feels like how he was focused on a mechanic in a previous game I played with him where he was town.
Had a bit of a look at Steven Universe; surface level seems to support my initial theory about Frog's scum meta and how I suspect I'd read that. This is more a reminder to myself to ISO him when I'm done catching up today and to take a more in-depth look at SU.-
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Super super drunk atm (weekends are bad for me always sorry) but I wanted to add beeboy's town meta in our lover game supports his town game being disinterested and uninvolved as far as the aggressiveness meta stuff ppl are bringing up.In post 2304, The DEO wrote:Admittedly I haven't talked about Beeboy that much because of #beeboy2017 Beeboy is town because as scum Beeboy is always active. He was the main active head in the hydra. I can pick out beeboy scum rather easily. Here's meta for you for it. In Mass Effect Mafia he had a lot of time but since then his activity has gone down all over the board and this game is going so fast. Source-
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Do you agree that in this gamestate depending on who rolled scum daytalk has potential to be used to devastating effect?In post 2343, PeregrineV wrote:
Daytalk is useful if utilized by the scumteam.In post 2036, The DEO wrote:Daytalk I always feel is the best PR bar none. In Shadowrun where JaeReed is not so subtly referring scout and I used daytalk extensively to our advantage. Even though I never got a break from posting it let me remain consistent and strategize with scout. A couple of times I even told scout when to pivot and he proofed stuff I did.
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I think LUV is tunneled as fuck and surface level scummy but not actually scum. There have been key moments where his paranoia has shown a town mindset. Post 29 is a good early example. 38, 92, 149.
320 he pushes for resolution phase to be over, and as annoyed as I was initially coming in to find that I didn't even get to have a vote on it, after having to read 20ish pages of people bickering about mechanics stuff while I caught up actually confirms that the environment preceding that was a pro-scum one. Things moved to squabbles on difference of opinion and by the time I got through it I'd forgotten half the stuff I liked about people beforehand. (I'll note that when I first read it I didn't feel that way, I had a kneejerk reaction of "he doesn't want everyone to weigh in", but considering the result of not getting it over with the opinion morphed to "holy shit LUV was right")
357 also backs up the above being town motivated.
Like, his tunnel on me is wrong but I don't feel it's scummy overall, and I think there's a lot that points to him actually being town.-
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Still reading up after I knocked myself out last night. Stop posting 20ish pages a night and I might make it there, yeah?
I should also warn you not to expect a full reads list so early on in games like these. D1 in larges I just don't tend to drop them, and even less if I have a PT to share all my thoughts in instead.-
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@Alisae Not townreading him isn't the same as scumreading him. I don't have a read on him. His play is different from what I've seen from him so far (and I don't think I could effectively meta him based off my current knowledge anyway) and I want to understand why Math is actually townreading him for it because I actually think it's different from Shadowrun. In Shadowrun he came in early pushing a scumread, and I haven't had that same feel here.-
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I think if ABR were going to push a policy lynch on you he would have done that as his first vote, though, and not have wasted time with it.In post 2817, The DEO wrote:It isn't because I have five other scumreads. ABR is genuinely Town for following through on his policy lynch threat and not posting anything remotely useful. He did the same in Shadowrun. Annoying doesn't mean scum. It is shitty play. Doesn't mean scum. From a newb or anyone besides Nero or ABR it would.
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I've done this before as town with a counterwagon where it was literally "Vote your counter or die". I had a stronger SR elsewhere and voted it and just accepted I'd die for voting my SR.In post 2510, beeboy wrote:
Because after expressing multiple scum reads and basically having the post amount to "fuck it I'll do anything" is just really weird to me. Like in the current state of the game I just don't understand why you would ever consider something like that unless you were scum seeking survivability especially when the A&N Lynch was actually really viable (and a scum read of Yuri's) starting some random af vanity wagon just seems so out of place for a town mind set.In post 2493, Fro99er wrote:
WHAT don't you like about itIn post 2491, beeboy wrote:Because I am getting lazy and didn't like the part I quoted and I really do think that we need to move on with this game.
Of all things to have a problem with I think what you disliked there was actually more town indicative but ok. I also do not think A&N lynch is anywhere near a viable one.-
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ok this cleared up the stance.In post 2570, beeboy wrote:Having a pool of people you want to vote = fine
Lynching null reads for survivability despite having multiple scum reads = not fine.
Please for the love of god don't hammer yet I still want a stance from dave on things before we go into night at least and to be caught up so I can just actually spend the time reviewing.