Sorry, bulletproof investigative, that's what I am. Take it up with Skull if you don't like it.In post 9728, MathBlade wrote:Lol. Bullshit claim.
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http://comma.guide/vocative-comma/In post 9734, MathBlade wrote:
Gistou. Named almost all the other scumteam in multiball for one. Look at scum chat.In post 9730, PeregrineV wrote:
Can you link to all the games where you were right? Since this won't be one of them, but I would like to see your pedigree listed once again.In post 9715, MathBlade wrote:
Because PV has to be an SK FMPOV.In post 9712, BigYoshiFan wrote:Fine. ONE MORE.
You avoided voting before to stop people from sheeping you at all via votes. Yes?
What's different here? The potential for people to sheep is still the same as before.
I do. I think PV is scum and is the SK. If he was truly a BP investigative he would have cleared me up a long as time ago. Hell when creature claimed BP he would check then. The claim is shit.
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9722In post 9737, MathBlade wrote:
Then he needs to claim.In post 9735, JaeReed wrote:The bulletproof investigative thing was sarcasm from him.
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Yeah. It allowed me to determine Not Chara was also a dog by day6, so usefulness is somewhere between zero and little.In post 9738, JaeReed wrote:Unfortunately I don't have a compelling argument for him being town that I feel you'd listen to because it's essentially "tone". He's not trying to appease or anything here that I can see.
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I honestly don't know. I've misread and read him correctly both ways, so that's a wash.In post 9744, MathBlade wrote:Do you think Almost50 is scum PV?
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If everybody is cleared and Almost50 is the lone scum, then game is over.In post 9745, JaeReed wrote:Considering he's voting him I'd say so.
Otherwise, scum are faking and fake clearing.
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ALmost50 replaced Gamma EmeraldIn post 9749, MathBlade wrote:MagnaofIllusion -- zakk, Nahdia, Not Chara, Narna, Firebringer, Maxous, Creature, Gamma Emerald, Nosferatu, SirCakez, Leonshade, Shiro
This is supposedly two dog wagon.
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In case I died before I ever claimed, my results would be out there.
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He had 3 results, plus 3 results.In post 9772, BigYoshiFan wrote:I'll take a crack at making one soon.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Now you know how I feel. Welceme to Undertale mafia!!!In post 9776, callforjudgement wrote:I'm finding scumhunting almost impossible because there's no real information available about how the game actually works. Logically speaking, in a 22 player game, today should be lylo or beyond lylo, but we have so many "confirmed townies" that it doesn't feel like it.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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In post 9778, MathBlade wrote:Welcome to Undertale where I am crazy but I think cult turned scum so we have to throw out everything preN4. Asking hood buddies to make sure not insane.
PV you up for a useless dog censor check tonight?
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Received. Will stop by later tonight to catch up.
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Nope. Just speculating.In post 9799, Almost50 wrote:
Is this flavour related? Cuz I didn't get a word of it!In post 9722, PeregrineV wrote:This means nothing, really, since I don't know the flaver. If my role is anything other than a McGuffin role, then Almost50 has to be dog scum.
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If you had been made the bodyguard while being BP, that may have been more useful.In post 10032, MathBlade wrote:I am going to rip apart which scum fucking vote me in my last will and you all better follow it because quite frankly everyone is getting lead around like a puppy dog on a leash to a player that the majority scumreads.
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This helps and matches what I've read.In post 10081, callforjudgement wrote:
I was the main person pushing to stop the Almost50 wagon. The problem with it is a) very few people actually scumread Almost50 (and MathBlade, one of the main people behind pushing the lynch, seemed to think it was on town but wanted it to happen anyway?), and b) it was growing in what was (at least from my point of view) a really dubious way (i.e. a way that indicated that it would likely lead to a mislynch). I also proposed a MathBlade+SirCakez+Gio scumteam; I'm not certain about that, but it's currently still my best theory as to who's scum. Quite a few people have scumreads on SirCakez (either just generally, or on the way he's responded to recent events), so he's accumulated a lot of votes (and they're votes to lynch, too, rather than intended as pressure votes; many people on the wagon, including me, would not be upset at a hammer, although ideally we'd avoid having yet more quickhammers).In post 10077, PeregrineV wrote:Anyone have a brief recap on how we went from "everyone confirmed town except PeregerinV and Almost50" to lynching Cakez?
Just want to see some other perspectives on it while I read a bunch of pages.
The other main thing that's been happening from my perspective is people (especially those on the SirCakez wagon) getting generally fed up with MathBlade (on the basis that they seem to be proposing complicated plans which have very little benefit – it basically starts with the assumption that certain players are town, and then ends up proving they're telling the truth about each others' roles, which is not really useful – and often include things like intentionally lynching townies). MathBlade's been confirmed by Gio in a way that seems hard to interfere with, but multiple players (including me) have stated that they'd be voting there otherwise.
I should note that my perspective is probably somewhat biased; the town's fallen into two main camps at the moment, which can loosely be described as the people who want to lynch SirCakez and the people who want to lynch someone else (these people have not yet agreed on a counterwagon, as far as I can tell). I'm pretty heavily in the first camp here, but would definitely be willing to hear counterarguments because I know that I have a tendency to tunnel.
In terms of confirmations, the issue with them is that everyone has some sort of confirmation (either they demonstrated their role, or their role or alignment was vouched for by another player) of their role apart from MathBlade and A50, and most people have confirmation of their alignments too. (One of the main reasons why Almost50 and SirCakez have been the players who received the wagons was that neither of them have any sort of alignment confirmation; SirCakez is known to be an Inventor but that's not a role that's inherently limited to townies, especially if there's a cult involved.) As such, there's more of a general willingness to lynch confirmed players than usual, in the belief that some of the confirmations have to be either inaccurate or misleading for one reason or another.
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Mathblade has over 1,200+ posts. If he hasn't been able to present his side of the story in that amount of time, I don't see it forthcoming anytime soon.In post 10084, callforjudgement wrote:I think it's worth giving people on the wagon some time to react. If nothing else, it gains us more information (because you get to see the reasons people have for unvoting). You might also want to hear the other side of the story, too, rather than just listening to me.
(We've also had a bad record this game about hammering without fully thinking it through. I expect you'll see a big rant from MathBlade when they get online.)
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Except in TTYLL that just finished, scum were bending over backwards to bus White Queens, but we managed to mislynch texcat.In post 10088, MathBlade wrote:Scum have control of this game and are plotting my mislynch next. I can't prove it but lynch chaining is generally horrible and making plans to prove Town = good. It is like mafia 101. Catch scum make plan to prove it or disprove it. You don't just read from your ass. That is literally taking dice and hoping it lands on scum. Your dice suck. Hammer while I am away so I do not have to deal with this bullshit when I get back.
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I can't find where Mathblade says the result of his investigation, nor what type of investigation it was.In post 9573, Giovanni il Pellegrino wrote:I followed Mathblade yesterday and I can verify that they performed an investigative action.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Is he the token vanilla player in the game? And did he confirm VT? I thought he said he could do something...In post 10094, Almost50 wrote:
Neapolitan one shot (granted by Cakes) and checked JaeReed. Returned Vanilla Townie.In post 10093, PeregrineV wrote:
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You seem to be the only one not on board with Call's theory on Math-Cake-Gio scumteam.In post 10097, Nahdia wrote:They* have been claiming VT all game, since they got in.
Andrius softing being able to do stuff which he later pretty much confirmed was all wifom.
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I don't feel "clueless", just seems that searching 400 pages for info makes it easier to ask first.In post 10098, Nahdia wrote:Kinda feel like PV can't be group scum at the very least considering how utterly clueless he is as to basic facts of the gamestate we've had established for awhile.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Is Cake scum sending stuff to Math?In post 10101, Nahdia wrote:Ok well I didn't mean to imply you're running around like a chicken with its head cut off, I just meant if you were group scum you'd probably have this information on hand.
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When did this happen?In post 10137, MathBlade wrote:
Agreed. I saw Nahdia visit JaeReed and JaeReed didn't die.In post 10135, BigYoshiFan wrote:I think that Jae surviving gives more legitimacy to Nahdia's JK claim.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Ergo is way more town than you right now....In post 10164, MathBlade wrote:Eight ergo Nahdia JaeReed and I are Town block.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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When did this happen?In post 10202, MathBlade wrote:In post 10196, JaeReed wrote:But why would a Nahdia red flip make me scum too? I'm not following that in the slightest.
Why is it not plausible to you that the killings are coming from the followers and Maxous had the kill prior as an SK/Cult Creator upon death type role, which got passed down to his faction?
I don't like that you're SK hunting over scum hunting. I believe the killings are coming from the scum faction, which we now have evidence actually exists and that their roles are irrelevant.
Oh and also Nahdia visited you. If she was a roleblocker it was a waste of a check. Like if Nahdia was scum it's quite possibly the worst move Nahdia could have done.
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So scum, in addition to their roles and PR's, could be still accessing the advice of the 3p player/leader to elevate the power of the scum team, while I can detect dogs on the lynch wagon?In post 10213, MathBlade wrote:In other words. Maxous might have a PT with his followers.
If he does it becomes fundamentally irrelevant to my wincon.
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Is there a reason you did not Jailkeep CFJ to avoid his, like, death?In post 10230, Nahdia wrote:math i really dont want an ank lynch sorry. i still feel they've been legit even through today.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Who was the towniest person in the game yesterday? Aside from yourself of course?In post 10240, MathBlade wrote:
I don't like you either. This reeks of knowledge of the hood I just can't prove it.In post 10235, PeregrineV wrote:
Is there a reason you did not Jailkeep CFJ to avoid his, like, death?In post 10230, Nahdia wrote:math i really dont want an ank lynch sorry. i still feel they've been legit even through today.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Why would Nahdia be scum when the flipped town psychcoloigst says they is not?In post 6433, Maxous wrote:18 Narna - psychiatrist. claims a clear on Nahdia and Massive. Notably claimed a guilty on town-ShiroI will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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And this is to anybody trying to push the slot as scum, or even voting them.In post 10246, PeregrineV wrote:
Why would Nahdia be scum when the flipped town psychcoloigst says they is not?In post 6433, Maxous wrote:18 Narna - psychiatrist. claims a clear on Nahdia and Massive. Notably claimed a guilty on town-ShiroI will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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And this leads me to the question of whyIn post 10247, PeregrineV wrote:
And this is to anybody trying to push the slot as scum, or even voting them.In post 10246, PeregrineV wrote:
Why would Nahdia be scum when the flipped town psychcoloigst says they is not?In post 6433, Maxous wrote:18 Narna - psychiatrist. claims a clear on Nahdia and Massive. Notably claimed a guilty on town-Shiro@Mathblade,you followed Nahdia when she couldn't be the killer anyway.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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She flipped, and her role flipped. Any reason to think Narna was lying?In post 10248, Ankamius wrote:Clears have a precedent for being unreliableI will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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I mean, by what logic can Narna's results be questioned so as to not be considered "confirmed"?In post 10254, Ankamius wrote:They aren't. That's my point.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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You think your claim to anything means more than the flipped town Psychologist?In post 10256, MathBlade wrote:
The reason Nahdia can't be the killer is because of last night's results. I followed them because no proof any Jailkeep was successful.In post 10249, PeregrineV wrote:
And this leads me to the question of whyIn post 10247, PeregrineV wrote:
And this is to anybody trying to push the slot as scum, or even voting them.In post 10246, PeregrineV wrote:
Why would Nahdia be scum when the flipped town psychcoloigst says they is not?In post 6433, Maxous wrote:18 Narna - psychiatrist. claims a clear on Nahdia and Massive. Notably claimed a guilty on town-Shiro@Mathblade,you followed Nahdia when she couldn't be the killer anyway.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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In post 10259, Ankamius wrote:
Because not being able to kill doesn't mean not scum. I even posted a role PM from a past Skullduggery game where a scum member had no ability to kill until conditions were met.In post 10255, PeregrineV wrote:
I mean, by what logic can Narna's results be questioned so as to not be considered "confirmed"?In post 10254, Ankamius wrote:They aren't. That's my point.
So even Narna's was a troll role (like mine) because Skull purposefully left of the phrase "is/was/In post 9546, Skullduggery wrote:Nighttime Abilities: During the night phase, you may investigate any living player in the game to learn whether or not that player is/was capable of killing another player.may ever becapable of killing another player."?I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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The role of Godfather exists to return false positives to cops.In post 10289, Almost50 wrote:
Um.. I believe a GF CAN be tracked. They just do not show as Scum to Cops, but they're not to be confused with Ninja (although a variation of the role does exist, but I have never seen it actually being used).In post 10280, Giovanni il Pellegrino wrote:So, can you actually explain this in more detail? Have I missed something, or this was something you haven't accounted for in detail?
So, if you're proposing a GF status the you WOULD get a Tracker/Follower result on your target.
However, there's a lot of the mechanics of this game that are being obscured (and probably for a good reason, as is the case in every Skull modded game). Take Maxous for instance, did his flip mention "Ascetic"? I don't think it did. We're just guessing he was.
My fear is we've been relying too much on mechanics and speculation that we are not actually scum hunting based on content. SirCakez floated for too long based on his claimed role, which WAS his true role. It wasn't TOWN aligned though.
Furthermore, Nahdia confirming Math, and Math confirming Nahdia means absolutely nothing to me, as I'm proposing they're BOTH scum together. I want to lynch Math today and Nahdia tomorrow. Now if the game doesn't end by then we can assume Ank is an SK (the one Math has been hunting down for long because, you know.. scum will always fear the SK messing things for them) and we can lynch him then, but ONLY then. Right now probably wants a red flip just as much as we do (and that is IF he is a Serial Killer to begin with).
The modifier of weak means "target scum and you die".
Does a weak role targeting a Godfather die?
If it's weak, yes, because the godfather is STILL mafia. Not Town, mafia.
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Gio could be lying scum.In post 10301, MathBlade wrote:
You never addressed why they can't other than "Godfather"In post 10300, Ankamius wrote:You never actually addressed why Giovanni's clears should be trusted.
Proof is in your court and every single clear so far has turned true.
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It's not really out of the blue, though, is it?In post 10316, BigYoshiFan wrote:You and PV just vote Gio out of the blue? :/
CFJ prevented the Almost50/PeregrineV lynch dichotomy yesterday.
he proposed Cake/Math/Gio scumteam.
I'm down with lynching Cake- and he dead.
I want to lynch Gio, since this is the third time he crumbed or left nothing while supposedly being a "weak" role, even after I chewed him out for it. I strongly suspect he is lying.
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Weak Gio targeted Maxous, and yet lives. If Ank wants to speculate that you are scum with Gio being town, he's welcome to do so, but I would suspect some for of redirector role before I think you are a GF. Your more likely BP scum.In post 10321, MathBlade wrote:@PV - Ank is proposing that I am a godfather variant that also returns Town to weak players when I am not Town.
I don't think Gio is lying. Much like Cakez I suspect roles won't change. Gio has been a player very rarely active much like you and he did crumb IMHO. But that is my opinion.
However on the off chance he is not Town he is still truth telling as I am Town.
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Wikiquote-In post 10323, MathBlade wrote:I said you both are. Stop twisting my words.
Weak Gio targeted Maxous who is a claimed ascetic. That means the target never happened because ascetic.
Gio targets Maxous causing Maxous to target Gio with a roleblock.Ascetic is a role modifier (though it can function as a role in its own right) that causes a player to be immune to all actions at Night except kills.More precisely, Ascetic reflexively Roleblocks all actions taken against them except kills.
Gio being roleblocked means he gets no result.
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Scum claiming cop you lynch the cop not all of his results.In post 10325, Almost50 wrote:In post 10312, PeregrineV wrote:The role of Godfather exists to return false positives to cops.
The modifier of weak means "target scum and you die".
Does a weak role targeting a Godfather die?
If it's weak, yes, because the godfather is STILL mafia. Not Town, mafia.
I guess you answered it yourself later on. Gio did visit Maxous who was .. erm.. "a menace to Town" (to avoid the dichotomy of 3P vs Scum terminology). Gio didn't die. This means either this is not a standard weal role, or that Gio is lying. Either way it makes Mathblade more likely scum than not. If Gio is lying then he is covering for his scum p. If he has a tweaked role then his role doesn't die to "???" where "???" is unknown at this point, but it sure isn't beyond Skull who is well known to use non-standard and even tailored versions of roles.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Actually, I'm not inventing anything.In post 10326, MathBlade wrote:Instead of scumhunting you and Ank make up a theory out of thin air.
First it is that I am a variant Godfather.
Then it is a redirector despite every single one of Narna's checks being right but Town derp.
Despite having a way to instantly kill Gio when he would have followed me but instead a redirector...
Please. That is bullshit.
Just stop. You are inventing ways to lynch me because you don't like me versus actually hunting. It is sad.
It's almost PoE, but evidence strongly points to you and Giio.
Giovanni il Pellegrino*- weak follower with weak results
MathBlade- Favored target of the scum inventor, "cleared" by the weak follower who only cleared you after living another night by never actually following scum
Yoshi- saved night5
PeregrineV- found the three dogs in the game, but I have access to his role PM
Nahdia- Can't kill, so hard to be scum
Ankamius- Gains vigs by hammering, but decides not to always hammer, cause scum hate free kills
Almost50- claimed something- but Cake spent most of the day6 on him, so figured he was designated mislynch of the day. Either way, Cake wanted him dead enough that I want him alive now.
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A) Except the wiki states exactly how it works. I copied the words from the wiki.In post 10332, MathBlade wrote:A) That isn't how ascetic works
B) If it was how you thought it worked you would have brought it up much earlier.
Ascetics are not a roleblocker they are untargetable.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Ascetic
B) I wanted to see exactly how it worked, so I used the wiki.
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Actually, a commuter would be untargetable, as per the wiki. An ascetic relfixely roleblocks, as per the wiki.In post 10333, MathBlade wrote:Ascetic is a role modifier (though it can function as a role in its own right) that causes a player to be immune to all actions at Night except kills. More precisely, Ascetic reflexively Roleblocks all actions taken against them except kills.
Reflexively roleblocks meaning untargetable. The action never takes place.
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Gio cannot be reflexively roleblocked UNLESS he targets Maxous.In post 10334, MathBlade wrote:A roleblock even if you argue it as such means Gio never visits Maxous meaning no result meaning Gio can still be weak still target Maxous get no result and still be alive.
Furthermore you cannot argue Gio Cakez scum because then nothing would happen N5.
God you make me sick with how much bullshit you spew.
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The roleblock-ness on GIO is TRIGGERED (as in, does not happen unless) by the targeting of Gio on Max.In post 10335, MathBlade wrote:When roleblocked a person goes no where and does nothing. That is the entire point! If Gio was targeting Maxous then he is roleblocked and goes nowhere and does nothing. The roleblock supercedes the follow in that case.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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In post 10337, MathBlade wrote:This role modifier is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. An Ascetic role cannot be targeted by anything other than a kill. A role attempting to target an Ascetic should be seen doing so by Trackers and Motion Detectors. Investigative roles (Cops, Role Cops, Watchers, etc) should receive "no result" if attempting to investigate an Ascetic role.
Untargetable meaning Gio doesn't die, AsceticMore preciselyall actions taken against them except kills.reflexively RoleblocksI will haveLimited Accesson weekends.