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Post Post #10375 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:45 am

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In post 10370, Ankamius wrote:
ALL CHECKS
return as mafia-aligned.

ALL
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Guess what??? A rolecop doesn't return Mafia or scum aligned!! It says just your role!!
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Post Post #10376 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:45 am

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In post 10355, MathBlade wrote:
In post 10352, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 10338, MathBlade wrote:Read the next paragraph. It means Gio never targeted Maxous if he is a weak follower and is telling the truth.

Furthermore Gio also confirmed Narna and Narna flipped Town. In multiball what scum makes that risk? Please do explain.
Why would you think it's multiball? The 2 kills a night every night except 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 7?

Why do you think scum-Gio is incapable of fakeclaiming the weak modifier?
Because Gio visiting Maxous and confirming Narna means he cannot have been aligned with Maxous at that time. He would have to be something unaligned with Maxous have the divine foresight to know Maxous was ascetic without being able to have anything to investigate said ascetic player.
Really? All he needs is for some scumbuddy of his action to fail. Then Max claimed by day5 anyway.
In post 10355, MathBlade wrote:Gio is town I am town.
Yeah, except you have no other scumreads or reasons why anyone else can be scum, and have nothing to say about Gio lying about you.

You could claim Masons with Gio, then we'd have to look at everything again....
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Post Post #10377 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:46 am

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In post 10356, MathBlade wrote:So the only way Gio is scum with Maxous is if it happened during the N5 bullshit but if it happened during the N5 bullshit he would still be weak which means I am still Town!
If he were scum faking it, then you could be town.

Is he scum faking it?
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Post Post #10378 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:47 am

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Sure, the normal version of Weak has the person die if they target someone that isn't town.

But lookie here, the variant says that sometimes weak roles only die if they target someone that
appears
anti-town, which means they would die if targeting millers and not die if targeting godfathers.

Well gee, there's already evidence that variants are used due to Shiro confirming that the version of miller in the game isn't the standard one,
so maybe the version of weak that Giovanni has is the variant and not the standard role.
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Post Post #10379 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:47 am

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Post Post #10380 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:47 am

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In post 10357, MathBlade wrote:
In post 6673, MathBlade wrote:
In post 6666, Giovanni il Pellegrino wrote:
In post 6650, MathBlade wrote:
In post 6648, Giovanni il Pellegrino wrote:
In post 6645, MathBlade wrote:The specific reason I doubt Giovanni is a town follower is because Giovanni would have been able to confirm the type of action Maxous took along with Narna. Combining that with Giovanni's opportunistic vote on Narna when they already had the innocent means something was up. Town PRs never vote their innocents.
So, if I am scum along with Maxous, why didn't I fake confirm the type of action he did? It is not hard to not say anything or, since Maxous had already said who he targeted when I said that something was up when I received his result, to confirm his type of action?

Narna's vote was not opportunistic, although it may seemed like it. It was just me saying "lay down the pitcforks and enough with the bullshit".

I am saying your vote is opportunistic.

Yes. Two town roleblocks in a game of this size yet no one hardly ever claimed it. Hell if you actually saw him perform a roleblocker action I would have expected you to scumread Nahdia hard.
I don't get it.

You are saying that I am scum with Maxous.

1) If I am a scum follower, why would I target my scumbuddy in the first place? Why would I claim my role? Why would I say that I saw my scumbuddy perform an interfering (that is how is called) action?

2) Since I was Townread and my weak claim was generally believed (and Maxous was further Townread because of it), why come out, after Maxous said who targeted during Day 2, and say that my action targetting him seems to have failed somehow?

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Regarding the vote, I will explain it one more time.

Narna has basically become synonymous with the Antichrist before you three replaced. Every Day Phase since Day 2 started with Narna and was about Narna. All logic was paused in order to lynch Narna. All meaningful discussion was paused because of Narna's existence in the game. Leonshade was lynched because of Narna. The game would not move on unless some people replaced (which didn't seem the case) or the boogeyman was out of the way. I was tired of the same mantra being repeated every single day.
1) The premise is bad. If you are scum the entire thing is poisonous and you are not required to have actually targeted your buddy or have told the truth about any of it. I think the claim is engineered to give Maxous a bit of legitimacy.

Has no one seriously questioned why no roleblock claims have come up with two claimed blockers in a huge game like this?

2) Because either A) Maxous is ascetic or B) again you are lying to give Maxous Credibility. Weak is a rare fake claim most people don't question that and it lets you "confirm" your buddy.
....Option A people. It was confirmed later and doubly so when Nahdia tried roleblocking Maxous.

SirCakez was converted overnight on N5 other way on D4 there is no reason SirCakez claims blocked which is what caught Maxous in an unreedemable lie.
I do not buy into the theory "There was no scumteam until Maxous died."
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Post Post #10381 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:47 am

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i don't* care

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Post Post #10382 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:48 am

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No it takes more than that.

SirCakez is a Gaster follower.
Either he was converted preMaxous or post Maxous. Since they have a different color rolePM it has to be post Maxous. Furthermore no way SirCakez as the same alignment as Maxous exposes Maxous as a liar.
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Post Post #10383 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:48 am

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VOTE: Mathblade

I refuse to believe you legitimately believe what you're saying.
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Post Post #10384 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:48 am

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that's l-1 i think ftr.
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Post Post #10385 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:48 am

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In post 10360, MathBlade wrote:Otherwise SirCakez stays silent and then we have "proof" Nahdia's Jailkeep works.

So the only way Gio is scum is if he was converted on N5. Not before which means Maxous was ascetic.
I don't care if her jailkeep works.

I care she can't kill. Making her not scum.
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Post Post #10386 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:49 am

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In post 10375, MathBlade wrote:
In post 10370, Ankamius wrote:
ALL CHECKS
return as mafia-aligned.

ALL
CHECKS
Guess what??? A rolecop doesn't return Mafia or scum aligned!! It says just your role!!
What does this have to do with anything I just said?
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Post Post #10387 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:49 am

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That only sets up Maxous to be lynched.

Purple is not red. This means SirCakez and Maxous were not on the same alignment!
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Post Post #10388 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:49 am

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UNVOTE: Mathblade

I want hammer.
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Post Post #10389 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:49 am

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In post 10386, Ankamius wrote:
In post 10375, MathBlade wrote:
In post 10370, Ankamius wrote:
ALL CHECKS
return as mafia-aligned.

ALL
CHECKS
Guess what??? A rolecop doesn't return Mafia or scum aligned!! It says just your role!!
What does this have to do with anything I just said?
It is a check against you that would prove you are full of shit.
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Post Post #10390 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:50 am

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In post 10369, Ankamius wrote:
In post 5974, Shiro wrote:
In post 5968, Ankamius wrote:Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.
All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned
In post 10370, Ankamius wrote:
ALL CHECKS
return as mafia-aligned.

ALL
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This fits with the question I answered.
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Post Post #10391 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:51 am

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In post 10388, Ankamius wrote:UNVOTE: Mathblade

I want hammer.
Yay and Ank only hammers town again.

God damn you all.

If Gio is scum converted N5 is the only way.

Nahdia is confirmed not killer.
JaeReed is confirmed VT.
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Post Post #10392 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:51 am

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EBWOP
In post 10390, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 10369, Ankamius wrote:
In post 5974, Shiro wrote:
In post 5968, Ankamius wrote:Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.
All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned
In post 10370, Ankamius wrote:
ALL CHECKS
return as mafia-aligned.

ALL
CHECKS
This fits with the question I
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Post Post #10393 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:51 am

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you're all arguing things that, with the assortment of facts we have, could potentially be wrong or right, but we can't know. but you're acting like we can know. agree to disagree and move on please.
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Post Post #10394 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:51 am

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At least wait until Skull comes back and answers the bolder question.
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Post Post #10395 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:52 am

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VOTE: Almost50

I'll keep cutting through the bullshit claim that I can't vote scum, then.
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Post Post #10396 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:53 am

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In post 10393, Nahdia wrote:you're all arguing things that, with the assortment of facts we have, could potentially be wrong or right, but we can't know. but you're acting like we can know. agree to disagree and move on please.
I will not agree to scum making up literal bullshit in order to mislynch me.

Maxous was an ascetic. SirCakez was only converted N5 and JaeReed is a VT and Nahdia is a confirmed not killer.

These are facts.
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Post Post #10397 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:53 am

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In post 10393, Nahdia wrote:you're all arguing things that, with the assortment of facts we have, could potentially be wrong or right, but we can't know. but you're acting like we can know. agree to disagree and move on please.
The problem I have with Mathblade is that they are literally playing like a lot of things are confirmed when they aren't, then taking things that are plausible and saying they are impossible.

When we're talking about somebody that claims to scumhunt solely through information and reading the setup, I refuse to believe this comes from a town mindset in the slightest.
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Post Post #10398 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:54 am

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In post 10382, MathBlade wrote:No it takes more than that.

SirCakez is a Gaster follower.
Either he was converted preMaxous or post Maxous. Since they have a different color rolePM it has to be post Maxous. Furthermore no way SirCakez as the same alignment as Maxous exposes Maxous as a liar.
That could be the name of the scumteam, it's flavor and says nothing about Gaster being a player or whatever.

You might argue Max knew the scumteam, and wins if he lives or they win, but in that case you knew since the beginning.
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Post Post #10399 (ISO) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:54 am

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In post 10396, MathBlade wrote:
In post 10393, Nahdia wrote:you're all arguing things that, with the assortment of facts we have, could potentially be wrong or right, but we can't know. but you're acting like we can know. agree to disagree and move on please.
I will not agree to scum making up literal bullshit in order to mislynch me.

Maxous was an ascetic. SirCakez was only converted N5 and JaeReed is a VT and Nahdia is a confirmed not killer.

These are facts.
Why are you trusting scum?
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