Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[MathBlade]

This role modifier is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.

An Ascetic role cannot be targeted by anything other than a kill.

A role attempting to target an Ascetic should be seen doing so by Trackers and Motion Detectors. Investigative roles (Cops, Role Cops, Watchers, etc) should receive "no result" if attempting to investigate an Ascetic role.

Untargetable meaning Gio doesn't die

Commuter is optional and also works on kills.
Ascetic is rolemodifier not optional and doesn't work on kills. Untargetable is in the goddamn wiki.

[Nahdia]

lol

[PeregrineV]

Read the next paragraph. It means Gio never targeted Maxous if he is a weak follower and is telling the truth.

Furthermore Gio also confirmed Narna and Narna flipped Town. In multiball what scum makes that risk? Please do explain.

Why would you think it's multiball? The 2 kills a night every night except 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 7?

Why do you think scum-Gio is incapable of fakeclaiming the weak modifier?

[MathBlade]

Weak is a role modifier that causes the player to die if targeting a mafia-aligned or otherwise anti-Town player. While this seems like an obvious drawback, this inherently makes all Weak roles investigative abilities with power akin to Cops - if a Weak role survives targeting a player, that player is confirmed Town.

Weak has to target.

Per wiki ascetic is not targetable with anything other than a kill.

Ergo Gio receiving no result on Maxous pretty much damn well confirms Maxous was ascetic.

[PeregrineV]

So for your point to have any merit at all Gio would have to be with Maxous before confirming Narna otherwise he was Town at that point and only would be converted post N5 but that possibility is eliminated as well.

I don't get what you are trying to say here. Gio could be scum follower that got no result on Max. Or another of his scummates got the result. Point is, NOTHING confirms him, nor does he confirm anything.

[MathBlade]

Read the next paragraph. It means Gio never targeted Maxous if he is a weak follower and is telling the truth.

Furthermore Gio also confirmed Narna and Narna flipped Town. In multiball what scum makes that risk? Please do explain.

Why would you think it's multiball? The 2 kills a night every night except 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 7?

Why do you think scum-Gio is incapable of fakeclaiming the weak modifier?

Because Gio visiting Maxous and confirming Narna means he cannot have been aligned with Maxous at that time. He would have to be something unaligned with Maxous have the divine foresight to know Maxous was ascetic without being able to have anything to investigate said ascetic player.

Gio is town I am town.

[MathBlade]

So the only way Gio is scum with Maxous is if it happened during the N5 bullshit but if it happened during the N5 bullshit he would still be weak which means I am still Town!

[MathBlade]

The specific reason I doubt Giovanni is a town follower is because Giovanni would have been able to confirm the type of action Maxous took along with Narna. Combining that with Giovanni's opportunistic vote on Narna when they already had the innocent means something was up. Town PRs never vote their innocents.

So, if I am scum along with Maxous, why didn't I fake confirm the type of action he did? It is not hard to not say anything or, since Maxous had already said who he targeted when I said that something was up when I received his result, to confirm his type of action?

Narna's vote was not opportunistic, although it may seemed like it. It was just me saying "lay down the pitcforks and enough with the bullshit".

I am saying your vote is opportunistic.

Yes. Two town roleblocks in a game of this size yet no one hardly ever claimed it. Hell if you actually saw him perform a roleblocker action I would have expected you to scumread Nahdia hard.

I don't get it.

You are saying that I am scum with Maxous.

1) If I am a scum follower, why would I target my scumbuddy in the first place? Why would I claim my role? Why would I say that I saw my scumbuddy perform an interfering (that is how is called) action?

2) Since I was Townread and my weak claim was generally believed (and Maxous was further Townread because of it), why come out, after Maxous said who targeted during Day 2, and say that my action targetting him seems to have failed somehow?

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Regarding the vote, I will explain it one more time.

Narna has basically become synonymous with the Antichrist before you three replaced. Every Day Phase since Day 2 started with Narna and was about Narna. All logic was paused in order to lynch Narna. All meaningful discussion was paused because of Narna's existence in the game. Leonshade was lynched because of Narna. The game would not move on unless some people replaced (which didn't seem the case) or the boogeyman was out of the way. I was tired of the same mantra being repeated every single day.

1) The premise is bad. If you are scum the entire thing is poisonous and you are not required to have actually targeted your buddy or have told the truth about any of it. I think the claim is engineered to give Maxous a bit of legitimacy.

Has no one seriously questioned why no roleblock claims have come up with two claimed blockers in a huge game like this?

2) Because either A) Maxous is ascetic or B) again you are lying to give Maxous Credibility. Weak is a rare fake claim most people don't question that and it lets you "confirm" your buddy.

....Option A people. It was confirmed later and doubly so when Nahdia tried roleblocking Maxous.

SirCakez was converted overnight on N5 other way on D4 there is no reason SirCakez claims blocked which is what caught Maxous in an unreedemable lie.

[PeregrineV]

This role modifier is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.

An Ascetic role cannot be targeted by anything other than a kill.

A role attempting to target an Ascetic should be seen doing so by Trackers and Motion Detectors. Investigative roles (Cops, Role Cops, Watchers, etc) should receive "no result" if attempting to investigate an Ascetic role.

Untargetable meaning Gio doesn't die

Commuter is optional and also works on kills.
Ascetic is rolemodifier not optional and doesn't work on kills. Untargetable is in the goddamn wiki.

We are not talking about optional or not.
Ascetic could be a role, or a modifier.
The ascetic can be killed because he can be targeted, and the killer is not reflexively roleblocked. Other targeters are, in fact, roleblocked by the reflexes of the ascetic.

I quoted the difference between ineligible to be targeted, and reflexively roleblock.

Why are you pretending you don't understand it?

[Ankamius]

Oh my god.

We've already proven that Miller doesn't use the most standard variant, so we cannot assume that any other modifier used in the game is using the most standard variant either.
You're also assuming that the player you keep insisting is scum had to have been telling the truth, even though it is entirely possible that Maxous wanted to be lynched and covered for Giovanni.

[MathBlade]

Otherwise SirCakez stays silent and then we have "proof" Nahdia's Jailkeep works.

So the only way Gio is scum is if he was converted on N5. Not before which means Maxous was ascetic.

[PeregrineV]

What do you know Gio received a no result because he didn't target Maxous. Shocking. And because no target weak doesn't trigger.

As asked in a previous episode of "What the Fuck is Mathblade Thinking?", why is Giovanni town and not fakeclaiming scum?

[Nahdia]

Oh my god.

We've already proven that Miller doesn't use the most standard variant, so we cannot assume that any other modifier used in the game is using the most standard variant either.
You're also assuming that the player you keep insisting is scum had to have been telling the truth, even though it is entirely possible that Maxous wanted to be lynched and covered for Giovanni.

we havent proven miller doesn't use the standard variant. narna said they asked skulldug what the result would be if they targeted someone

with shiro's role

and were told they'd get "cannot kill" iirc.

so like, that's actually evidence there was a framer i think? unless you think the mod is lying when people ask 'em questions. which they said they wouldn't do.

[Ankamius]

Seriously Mathblade, this tunnel of yours is ridiculous as hell if you're somehow town. I have a hard time believing you'd discount so many obvious things unless you didn't want them to be considered true by everyone else.

[MathBlade]

Oh my god.

We've already proven that Miller doesn't use the most standard variant, so we cannot assume that any other modifier used in the game is using the most standard variant either.
You're also assuming that the player you keep insisting is scum had to have been telling the truth, even though it is entirely possible that Maxous wanted to be lynched and covered for Giovanni.

No we didn't!

You are saying that. The wiki still holds true here people. The wiki says returns guilty. Narna town deeper and hit the guilty.

[Nahdia]

it is, btw, perfectly possible that that framer was Maxous, since we didn't see any of his role information when he flipped.

[Ankamius]

Oh my god.

We've already proven that Miller doesn't use the most standard variant, so we cannot assume that any other modifier used in the game is using the most standard variant either.
You're also assuming that the player you keep insisting is scum had to have been telling the truth, even though it is entirely possible that Maxous wanted to be lynched and covered for Giovanni.

we havent proven miller doesn't use the standard variant. narna said they asked skulldug what the result would be if they targeted someone

with shiro's role

and were told they'd get "cannot kill" iirc.

so like, that's actually evidence there was a framer i think? unless you think the mod is lying when people ask 'em questions. which they said they wouldn't do.

Try Shiro's description of their role PM. I specifically made that known information for a reason.

[PeregrineV]

This role modifier is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. An Ascetic role cannot be targeted by anything other than a kill. A role attempting to target an Ascetic should be seen doing so by Trackers and Motion Detectors. Investigative roles (Cops, Role Cops, Watchers, etc) should receive "no result" if attempting to investigate an Ascetic role.

Untargetable meaning Gio doesn't die

More precisely

, Ascetic

reflexively Roleblocks

all actions taken against them except kills.

Read the normal modifier section.

Gio can't fucking target Maxous and therefore weak would not trigger.

Is this a normal game?

Spoiler: Hint

No.

Welcome to Theme Park.

Gio can't be blocked unless he targets.

[MathBlade]

So SirCakez was converted N5 and that is what fucked either my read of them and why I hard core townread them.

Which means people are keeping their roles which is why the roles check out.

Oh damn I still wish Shiro was alive to hit Ank.

[Ankamius]

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

[Ankamius]

ALL CHECKS

return as mafia-aligned.

ALL
CHECKS

[PeregrineV]

Weak is a role modifier that causes the player to die if targeting a mafia-aligned or otherwise anti-Town player. While this seems like an obvious drawback, this inherently makes all Weak roles investigative abilities with power akin to Cops - if a Weak role survives targeting a player, that player is confirmed Town.

Weak has to target.

Per wiki ascetic is not targetable with anything other than a kill.

Ergo Gio receiving no result on Maxous pretty much damn well confirms Maxous was ascetic.

More precisely, Ascetic reflexively Roleblocks all actions taken against them except kills.

[MathBlade]

This role modifier is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. An Ascetic role cannot be targeted by anything other than a kill. A role attempting to target an Ascetic should be seen doing so by Trackers and Motion Detectors. Investigative roles (Cops, Role Cops, Watchers, etc) should receive "no result" if attempting to investigate an Ascetic role.

Untargetable meaning Gio doesn't die

More precisely

, Ascetic

reflexively Roleblocks

all actions taken against them except kills.

Read the normal modifier section.

Gio can't fucking target Maxous and therefore weak would not trigger.

Is this a normal game?

Spoiler: Hint

No.

Welcome to Theme Park.

Gio can't be blocked unless he targets.

Fine since the mod has already broken rule 23)

@mod: Assume a weak follower submits an action to a nonTown ascetic what is the result the weak follower would receive and would they live?

[MathBlade]

Weak is a role modifier that causes the player to die if targeting a mafia-aligned or otherwise anti-Town player. While this seems like an obvious drawback, this inherently makes all Weak roles investigative abilities with power akin to Cops - if a Weak role survives targeting a player, that player is confirmed Town.

Weak has to target.

Per wiki ascetic is not targetable with anything other than a kill.

Ergo Gio receiving no result on Maxous pretty much damn well confirms Maxous was ascetic.

More precisely, Ascetic reflexively Roleblocks all actions taken against them except kills.

Further down it says weak don't target.

[MathBlade]

Weak is a role modifier that causes the player to die if targeting a mafia-aligned or otherwise anti-Town player. While this seems like an obvious drawback, this inherently makes all Weak roles investigative abilities with power akin to Cops - if a Weak role survives targeting a player, that player is confirmed Town.

Weak has to target.

Per wiki ascetic is not targetable with anything other than a kill.

Ergo Gio receiving no result on Maxous pretty much damn well confirms Maxous was ascetic.

Pedit ascetic can't be targeted...derp

More precisely, Ascetic reflexively Roleblocks all actions taken against them except kills.

Further down it says weak don't target.