InuYasha Mafia (Game Over)

[geists]

hi guys

[geists]

hi guys

By the way, these guys, confirmed town obviously.

Someone has cracked the code.

[geists]

thank god majiffy's town this time.

[geists]

Vote: Abomination

hi guys

Town.

I am potentially a negative-utility town role. I would rather not expound any further on it at the moment because I'm not entirely certain as to the nuances outside of my control.
Carry on.

Town, but you should really be getting that clarified.

VOTE: abomination
YAAAAY I AM SESHUMARUUUU

Serial killer. (Town.)

Hi Mhork, Nati, ffery, shos, ProHawk, Bulba, Katsuki, Hana, TSO, Iecerint, AD, Sven, Majiffy, NC, mastin, Mala, Who, Axxle, Haylen, T-Bone, BPC, Venmar, Molla, kdowns, xof, Egg, and everyone I haven't interacted with before!
VOTE: kdowns

Town has been randed.

Prob-town.

Abomination is gonna suck >.<
VOTE: xofelf
I DID IT GUYS I REALLY DID IT

Mhork.
(Scum. But Mhork. So still scum. Maybe.)

I looked at at the player list and immediately wanted to vote that monstrosity, but now it feels silly.
VOTE: ActionDan

Abomination is going to suck when we have to read him later on.

Maaaaaaaaaybe scum.

Malakittens is in the process of making our hydra, btw.

Vote: Lord Mhork

.

Mastin, I feel like something important was missing from this post.

[geists]

Oh wait, you were processing page-by-page. I'm curious why you thought Iece looked scummier than xofelf in post 51

[geists]

I'm so sorry that I prefer

over VOTE: ?
Am I not allowed to have a preference? I'm used to using

for things and VOTE: being a typo soo I dunno man. Muscle memory and all that.

^^ reaction to rvs vote.

Was it a serious vote? I don't particularly react to RVS votes.
Most people here haven't seen me play
What do you mean by jumpy? I'm not sure I see what you're talking about.

hmm.

Also. Why are people flavor claiming?

[geists]

Unvote; Vote: kdowns

because?

mine

[geists]

Ah, okay. False alarm, xof's town.

I screwed up the meaning of that apparently after looking at it on the Wiki. Chainsaw defense is defending your scum buddy by attacking the person who attacked them. But that's not really what I meant to say, it was more of just defending a buddy in general.

Not really seeing the bolded.

[geists]

I think scum like to defend policy lynchee's for cheap town cred, so I'd bet big money on there being a scummer or two in the "don't lynch abomination!" camp.

Also Jiffy's shepping of Beast is super scummy.

Agree with your first comment, but I think scum also like to join PL wagons. there's probably some from column a and some from column b.

You think that of the defenders, Clyton is the most scummy?

[geists]

Should have started this game with a disclaimer.... that I love large games.

VOTE: Always

Town.

Prob-town.

Prob-scum.

Scum

I like this entrance.

[geists]

VOTE: Xofelf

I agree with mastin, also klick

-B_E

Klick changed his mind?

[geists]

Burn with fire.

VOTE: Abomination

This pings because of timing, mostly. There's a shitton of stuff to react to and analyze by page 4 of this game

[geists]

I think scum like to defend policy lynchee's for cheap town cred, so I'd bet big money on there being a scummer or two in the "don't lynch abomination!" camp.

Also Jiffy's shepping of Beast is super scummy.

Agree with your first comment, but I think scum also like to join PL wagons.

there's probably some from column a and some from column b

.

You think that of the defenders, Clyton is the most scummy?

Agree with the bold.

You should read Clytons ISO.

I have. Will say more after there's more data from him.

I do not think Beast is scummy and I'm far more concerned with Jiffy sheeping that bad logic.

I seem to default-scum-read Beast so I'm deferring trying to develop a read there for now.

IME Majiffy goes for noise elimination on day 1 regardless of game state and regardless of alignment. I don't townread or scumread him for that.

I'm not getting a scum vibe from him this game. I'm getting a town vibe so far, though it's hard to articulate why.

Also getting a town vibe from svenskt based on the timing of his vote. Would like to see more posts.

[geists]

Oh shit you're right. I am mixing Majiffy-posts up with someone else because I thought he was pushing for an Abomination lynch. I have a feeling there's some kind of avatar fusion happening in my head. Rereading some stuff.

[geists]

On review aside from post 25 I don't know why I filed majiffy under "abomination-hate". However, I still think he's town in part because of his reaction to klick but mostly because of his reaction to katsuki's posts. Those are the posts I'm townbinning him from.

Looks like I'm townbinning you, too.

[geists]

geists, if you think he's for noise reaction on d1 and he's not doing that...why do you not find that suspicious.

I'm footnoting my gut but I'm not going to discount it.

I discounted my gut in the game you just referenced and I never acted on my scum read of majiffy in that game. I don't plan to discount my gut that way again.

however, my confusion about his stance is a little disconcerting. I'll see what I think after I reread the game in context tonight or tomorrow.

[geists]

Because Iece's posting was worse?

I had a super negative reaction to xofelf's posting and I'd probably have our vote there if klick hadn't called xofelf town for a post that didn't ring town bells for me. I don't have any prior games for comparison and I haven't felt the urge to meta dive just yet. I'd like to look at reads with naive eyes for a while yet.

I am somewhat familiar with Iece's play and so far this game isn't reminding me of scum-Iece, though there are some things I've learned to expect from town-Iece that I haven't seen yet.

[geists]

isnt exciting but usually yields results.

look can you save the damn innuendo for later???????

gettin real tired of your shit

As a third party to this convo, I'm lost.

[geists]

Yeah having townfeels about ProHawk.

[geists]

So what are you thinking about him, and why?

[geists]

There's a cautiousness to his game entrance/early play when he's scum that I'm not seeing at all here.

[geists]

One could argue that there is a cautiousness in making 2 posts with about as many words, no matter what in particular they are.

pedit: 3 and I'm always sour.

One could argue that but one would be missing what it is that makes his early scum game look cautious.

[geists]

Sorry town.

My lust isnt there right now.

I´ll try my hardest to stay afloat until it comes back.

I have majiffy as town and mastin as town. From barely skiming (i have read like nothing) I m suprised by the lacak of ffer in charge.

Thats about it.

I thought you'd been kidnapped or something. 2 posts in 3 days or w/e.

I don't do in charge so much these days. You should be aware of that even if you were scum in our last game.

[geists]

...I think I may have mixed him up with someone else. I get literally nothing leaning one way or another from his ISO.

I'm confident in the other three, though.

Two of them are varying shades of scumread to me. I'd like to understand your Iece and xofelf townreads.

[geists]

This seems like a really different sort of reaction to being scumread on day 1 from what I remember in other games. Especially the Dr Who game.

[geists]

can you please sign your posts? I assume that was ffery, but it makes it easier for me.

I don't like to be a pain, but I won't remember to do that so I'm not going to try. When I think there's ambiguity I usually say something to make it clear who is posting.

So far, they are all ffery posts. When Nati is around I'll send up a signal or something.

[geists]

Mastin you usually at least try to explain your reads.

[geists]

VOTE: xofelf

[geists]

Cop Always. This needs to be sorted.

- b -

explain, plz.

[geists]

Cop Always. This needs to be sorted.

- b -

explain, plz.

If you think you can scumhunt Mastin with 100% certainty, I bid you go right ahead! I'll nominate you for Town MVP!

- b -

The timing of your request looks a little odd given how things are shaping up with Mastin and the Iece slot. AP is one player who probably can nearly 100% read Mastin. IF AP is town.

[geists]

The timing of your request looks a little odd given how things are shaping up with Mastin and the Iece slot.

And my request is directly in response to Mastin's response to Iece. It was certainly the intention that I wished to convey.

And yet you've advanced a reason for copping Mastin that should apply to any game at any time. You make the request only after a fairly significant replace-in and because of the reaction to the replacement. I say again, explain plz.

Please explain how it is "a little odd".

- b -

Done.

[geists]

The timing of your request looks a little odd given how things are shaping up with Mastin and the Iece slot.

And my request is directly in response to Mastin's response to Iece. It was certainly the intention that I wished to convey.

Please explain how it is "a little odd".

- b -

The fairly significant replace-in did not make an impression on me;

I would say that it is irrelevant to my post.

Indeed, Mastin should be copped in any game, preferably earlier so she gets less time to pull strings as scum, and perpetual safety as town.

This is Day 1, and reasonably early in the game. I find nothing wrong with the timing of the post.

- b -

I think you need to explain some more. Right now it looks like you're contradicting yourself.

[geists]

Odds are he's Town, he has no reason to withhold reads as scum - it's still annoying as fuck.

If you point to any single random player, odds are that they'll be Town rather than Scum. Basic probability.

geists, how confident are you that AP is Town then? 100%?


Do you think you can read AP with 100% certainty then?

Answer yes and you might be a candidate for a scummie!~

- b -

If you've paid any attention at all to my posts, then you should have a pretty good idea of my read on iece.

[geists]

You've got like 2 posts to convince me you aren't multi-scum this game (I am correct in stating this is multiball?; for some reason I think it is but UI havent really read).

Fuck

no.

You've got it rat's-ass backwards. I owe you absolutely nothing.
NOTHING.
Of the sort.

This game.
This game.

It's

you

the burden is on.

Your entry was null-at-best.
BEST.

One post down.
One to go.

You try pinning your scummy-ass BoP on me, I'm speedlynching you.

This post in particular sparked my response.

That is all there is.

What do you wish to accomplish from this line of questioning?

- b -

I wish to develop a read of you.

What in particular about that post sparked the cop request?

[geists]

You've got like 2 posts to convince me you aren't multi-scum this game (I am correct in stating this is multiball?; for some reason I think it is but UI havent really read).

Fuck

no.

You've got it rat's-ass backwards. I owe you absolutely nothing.
NOTHING.
Of the sort.

This game.
This game.

It's

you

the burden is on.

Your entry was null-at-best.
BEST.

One post down.
One to go.

You try pinning your scummy-ass BoP on me, I'm speedlynching you.

This post in particular sparked my response.

That is all there is.

What do you wish to accomplish from this line of questioning?

- b -

I wish to develop a read of you.

What in particular about that post sparked the cop request?

Nothing in particular. The fact of Mastin being impossible to read with 100% certainty requires that she be copped very early.

At best, I can only do 99%

- b -

And yet, you didn't make the request sooner, though you say that it's a requirement she be copped very early.

Here are the problems I have with your posts.

- Directing hypothetical PRs always catches my attention, particularly from a player I don't know has a tendency to do that sort of thing. You're an anonymous hydra so this box is checked, and not with a fine point pen.

- If you are town, and scum think a hypothetical cop will take you up on your suggestion, then you've painted a target on Mastin if she's town.

- If you are scum, then this could be an opportunity to point town PR attention at someone who's not on your team, and possibily making your team's night action choices less complicated.

- Of the two players, in that interaction, Mastin looks a hell of a lot more town. And, the slot became far more dangerous if scum with the addition of AP. And you are drawing attention to the more town looking player in the interaction.

- There is still a huge question in my mind about why that interaction and that post would have been the one to spark the request.

IMO telling town PRs what to do when data is still quite thin is bad play if you're town, and I question why town-anybody would do it. There are times when giving town PRs advice makes sense. Right now doesn't feel even close to such a time.

[geists]

I'm not fishing for a PR claim, nor am I trying to get them to respond to me. Whatever any hypothetical PR wishes to do with their night action is entirely their responsibility.

I've neither said nor implied that you did.

At the very most, I can give them incentive... with a smooch :*

Incentive which IMO is advantageous to scum if they take you up on it.

I don't want to get involved in mafia discussion. Mastin, however, may gladly accommodate you. She can discuss mafia theory with you as a player; regardless if she is town or scum

Right now, you have my interest considerably more than Mastin does.

I'm only interested in finding scum.

- b -

Which is something that even scum can probably say with conviction in this game.

[geists]

No. I mostly sort players organically. You're on my watch list. I have no further questions for you atm.

[geists]

Has all this been Natirasha or fferyllt?

No nati posts yet.

[geists]

dude. this game has no content. you know it.

If you think that, do something about it.

[geists]

six fucking hundred posts and no content yet. and this is acceptable, since this is a large, with lotsa people, and you can't even expect me to remember the names of the participants, let alone get reads. I can name at least 3 people in the game so far. name.

@geists(?lol what is that name) you can't just generate content by making a wish.

The name is pretty Hegelian. I like it. You generate content in a large game the same way you generate content in a smaller game - you ask questions, poke at stuff, vote, etc.

I've never played a large game start-to-end; only replaced into ones. ones that had 100 pages before I joined, lol.

ok. Lately, I tend to have slow starts and get flack in large games. I don't care. I poke at stuff, develop reads and see how my impression of the game matches what others say. So, I can appreciate the gripe but it's still on you to do what you can to fix what you don't like about the game state.

[geists]

btw this is ffery.

[geists]

I just read Shos's ISO. I don't really want to lynch him right now. I mean I guess I wouldn't be so violently opposed that I start convulsing everywhere, buuuuut still lets not lynch him and pretend we did.

Why are you guys voting mist?

[geists]

I'll catch up tomorrow (at the very least, Monday afternoon) and post my thoughts in my next post in this game. Apologies.

It's wednesday afternoon.

[geists]

Wow. Lots of going over the weekend. Got our avatar uploaded and will need to sync up with PV.

Young and Beautiful, about how many games have each of you played?


- Preying Mantis -

This is the closest thing to content in your 3 post ISO.

[geists]

Unvote

@Egg: Am I really extra touchy? I'm not intending to be. It's also been years since we last played and a lot of things have changed for both of us. Why wouldn't play style be one of them?

Katsuki's multiposting feels weird to me. It could be I'm not a fan of multi-posts since it's not that difficult to open a second tab just for a reply. But I don't think it's just that. Can't quite put my finger on it.

are you lurking off the attention?

[geists]

PV and Mantis being lurksacks doesn't necessarily strike me as scummy.

I didn't know they are Birds of Prey. Makes sense, though. Not quite as concerning.

[geists]

I just want data, mostly.

[geists]

but if you prod them for content then the game isn't advancing organically. Who are you scum reading so far?

xofelf is my strongest scumread.

maybe Y&B, maybe Clyton, maybe AngryIceRink (but that read is starting to fade a little).

Tons of nulls I have no idea how to sort if they don't post more.

[geists]

What would you like me to post ffery?

I haven't called you out. You've posted enough that I have a tentative read.

I'll eventually freak out if you don't ask more questions and scumhunt more, but that's true of everyone in every game.

[geists]

I haven't called you out. You've posted enough that I have a tentative read.

That's fine, but I am here (but not caught up), so lets bounce reads. I see you voting xofelf, walk me through that.

46 - felt off as a reaction to an rvs vote.

73 - contradicts 46 in that xofelf says she doesn't react to rvs votes after reacting to one.

119 - feels a little defensive. I probably wouldn't be concerned about it if not for the way 46 and 73 struck me.

She's also soft-defended Abomination argued against a policy lynch, but the concern looks premature, maybe contrived. Overall she feels jumpy and defensive.

Klick townreads her for something that I don't understand, and I don't think he's explained it yet.

[geists]

I find it very strange that AP posting scummy things makes people think we are town.

Oh brave new world that has such people in it.

Who are you referring to?

[geists]

I haven't called you out. You've posted enough that I have a tentative read.

That's fine, but I am here (but not caught up), so lets bounce reads. I see you voting xofelf, walk me through that.

46 - felt off as a reaction to an rvs vote.

73 - contradicts 46 in that xofelf says she doesn't react to rvs votes after reacting to one.

119 - feels a little defensive. I probably wouldn't be concerned about it if not for the way 46 and 73 struck me.

She's also soft-defended Abomination argued against a policy lynch, but the concern looks premature, maybe contrived. Overall she feels jumpy and defensive.

Klick townreads her for something that I don't understand, and I don't think he's explained it yet.

Correction: 46 was a response to a comment from Action Dan about the tags possibly being voteworthy.

[geists]

What made you change your mind on Clyton?

Who are you asking?

[geists]

geists, why are you so boring?

Because the fun ghost wasn't here!

[geists]

I find it very strange that AP posting scummy things makes people think we are town.

Oh brave new world that has such people in it.

Who are you referring to?

Venmar, mastin, your slot, off the top of my head.

I upgraded my read a little before AP replaced in. I spent some time thinking about whether to put our vote on xofelf or you. I liked your reply to me about your meta.

What made you change your mind on Clyton?

Who are you asking?

I was asking you but nevermind.

My mind hasn't changed on Clyton.

[geists]

Someone talk me through where I should be looking.

Because I'm looking at Rhaego.

[geists]

Nah ffery's got that one covered.

[geists]

I'm the machine gun pew pew

[geists]

Someone talk me through where I should be looking.

Because I'm looking at Rhaego.

Hi, Nat.

What do you see there, aside from the obvious?

Lazy pushes backed by poor timing and an unnatural sense of haughtiness.

[geists]

Nat, can your hydra and my hydra fuse ala voltron into an awesome, scumfighting machine?

I'll let you be the head.


pedit -

votecount, please!

Sure but I have to make sure you're not a cancerous legion first.

[geists]

We are not. We are PV and someone else.

I'll go by Venus Fly Trap to avoid confusion.

Oh thank god. When I heard Mantis+PV I was like wtf that's the weirdest hydra pairing I've ever seen.

Now who knows PV well enough to hydra with him...

[geists]

Ffer

town reading me because the timing of my vote raises an eyebrow. This woman is notoriously hard to charm.

1. scummiest thing to hit the thread at that point in time gets posted
2. somebody puts a vote down on the person who posted the scummiest thing to hit the thread
3. ffery picks up a tentative town read.

Something like that happens in nearly every game I play. Sometimes the tentative town read even lasts the game day.

This is the second time you've done a drive-by soft-fos. If you have a concern about me why aren't you trying to sort me?

[geists]

I focus on

ffer

because she is thebest town player behind

brohawk

in this lineup.

I hve no intention of voting geists on day one, no matter how strong I townred the slot. I am just spitballing things that I notice, and I put more focus on players like

prohawk

,

ffer

,

mastin

and

majiffy

because I respect their game alot.

You're spitballing things, but you're not commenting on some of the more significant-looking interactions in the game.

[geists]

it kinda annoys me when you call her ffer - ffery's cool, fferylt's cool, but ffer does my OCD no good.

I think ffer was the first abbreviation of my screen name on ms. fery came next.

[geists]

I focus on

ffer

because she is thebest town player behind

brohawk

in this lineup.

I hve no intention of voting geists on day one, no matter how strong I townred the slot. I am just spitballing things that I notice, and I put more focus on players like

prohawk

,

ffer

,

mastin

and

majiffy

because I respect their game alot.

You're spitballing things, but you're not commenting on some of the more significant-looking interactions in the game.

Could be because I havent read the fucking game.

Let me know when you have, plz.

[geists]

Can't compare notes when you haven't read the game.

[geists]

Can't compare notes when you haven't read the game.

I havent expressed a desire to do so.

I know. I did.

[geists]

yes, you

So do you no longer scumread Abomination? Or is the AngryIce read in addition to that?

What the hell is this crap where you and Mist act like its odd to have multiple scumreads?

Still think Abomination is scum.

I was actually seeking clarification, since you called out the scum on your wagon and only indicated Furious Frozen Water. Do you honestly think it's 2 scum and 1 town currently on you? Meh. I'm pretty happy with my vote on you.

@Geists - what's the xolf case?

This is what I've posted:

I haven't called you out. You've posted enough that I have a tentative read.

That's fine, but I am here (but not caught up), so lets bounce reads. I see you voting xofelf, walk me through that.

46 - felt off as a reaction to an rvs vote.

73 - contradicts 46 in that xofelf says she doesn't react to rvs votes after reacting to one.

119 - feels a little defensive. I probably wouldn't be concerned about it if not for the way 46 and 73 struck me.

She's also soft-defended Abomination argued against a policy lynch, but the concern looks premature, maybe contrived. Overall she feels jumpy and defensive.

Klick townreads her for something that I don't understand, and I don't think he's explained it yet.

Correction: 46 was a response to a comment from Action Dan about the tags possibly being voteworthy.

The relevant part below bolded.

Ffer

town reading me because the timing of my vote raises an eyebrow. This woman is notoriously hard to charm.

1. scummiest thing to hit the thread at that point in time gets posted
2. somebody puts a vote down on the person who posted the scummiest thing to hit the thread
3. ffery picks up a tentative town read.

Something like that happens in nearly every game I play. Sometimes the tentative town read even lasts the game day.

This is the second time you've done a drive-by soft-fos. If you have a concern about me why aren't you trying to sort me?

I'm curious why you asked someone who's made recent comments about her given a few people voted recently with no trajectory at all.

[geists]

yes, you

So do you no longer scumread Abomination? Or is the AngryIce read in addition to that?

What the hell is this crap where you and Mist act like its odd to have multiple scumreads?

Still think Abomination is scum.

I was actually seeking clarification, since you called out the scum on your wagon and only indicated Furious Frozen Water. Do you honestly think it's 2 scum and 1 town currently on you? Meh. I'm pretty happy with my vote on you.

@Geists - what's the xolf case?

This is what I've posted:

I haven't called you out. You've posted enough that I have a tentative read.

That's fine, but I am here (but not caught up), so lets bounce reads. I see you voting xofelf, walk me through that.

46 - felt off as a reaction to an rvs vote.

73 - contradicts 46 in that xofelf says she doesn't react to rvs votes after reacting to one.

119 - feels a little defensive. I probably wouldn't be concerned about it if not for the way 46 and 73 struck me.

She's also soft-defended Abomination argued against a policy lynch, but the concern looks premature, maybe contrived. Overall she feels jumpy and defensive.

Klick townreads her for something that I don't understand, and I don't think he's explained it yet.

Correction: 46 was a response to a comment from Action Dan about the tags possibly being voteworthy.

The relevant part below bolded.

Ffer

town reading me because the timing of my vote raises an eyebrow. This woman is notoriously hard to charm.

1. scummiest thing to hit the thread at that point in time gets posted
2. somebody puts a vote down on the person who posted the scummiest thing to hit the thread
3. ffery picks up a tentative town read.

Something like that happens in nearly every game I play. Sometimes the tentative town read even lasts the game day.

This is the second time you've done a drive-by soft-fos. If you have a concern about me why aren't you trying to sort me?

I'm curious why you asked someone who's made recent comments about her given a few people voted recently with no trajectory at all.

[geists]

I don't think you ever explained your assumption this was multiball geists. Which head thinks that? Why?

ffery head posted that. Nati and I haven't discussed it but I'd be surprised if she disagrees.

I made the assumption after Action Dan claimed that his role PM gave hi info that suggested multifaction in post 96. But, I would lean the direction of multifaction in a game this size by default.

There's also a lot of wagon movement coming up very fast. I need to review that. Eyeballing this though, there's very little overlap between the wagons. People are being quite fixed in wagons and they are rising and falling with incredible speed.

- Venus Fly Trap -

What do you make of the lack of overlap? Also, according to Always' analysis there has actually been some movement from wagon to wagon, so I am not sure what you mean by "being quite fixed". Some players haven't shifted. Others have.

[geists]

Geists, #751. Now. You skipped that twice. Also, what do you think of the wagon observation.

I was on the previous page when I replied to Squirrel Girl. When I saw your post I replied to it.

Did you ask the same thing earlier? I didn't see it.

[geists]

Geists, look at 695.

If you want a reply from me about a post you didn't trouble to turn into a link, I suggest you put my name somewhere in the sentence next time.

[geists]

Prohawk, I thought we were going to talk reads.

[geists]

Prohawk, I thought we were going to talk reads.

Right. I can see where you are coming from on xofelf, but not my first choice. I have scum-readsish on Dan, AngryIece, and Shos.

what are your thoughts about Rhaego and Y&B?

[geists]

Some of Ceph's comments after the FE:A game.

Subject: Fire Emblem: Awakening Mafia (Game Over)

Unborn children:
Inigo- can propose to female children (this just creates another neighborhood)
Severa- self-redirector
Cynthia- vanilla (originally innocent child, but too awkward and confirmed Sumia)
Nah- 1-shot commuter
Morgan- universal backup

Early-setup-notes:
Hierophant was originally broken as hell and had a million abilities. I can dredge up how absurd this was, but I decided I wanted the game to be low-power all around and this ended up getting the axe, plus it put too much of the scum's power on one role. Though when I had it this way I was going to let them pick who had the role. I probably didn't remove enough town power to compensate for this.
Henry was a miller (there was a more real investigative role somewhere else, I forget) but ultimately I decided a SK-like rolename was sufficient.
At one point Chrom & Sumia could only marry the characters they can in game, but it meant I had to force scum into particular fakeclaims or allow Chrom and Sumia to basically be investigative, so no.

Yes, Robin was too easy a fakeclaim to guess. Sorry ;_;

Kinda thinking we won't find scum via character claims this time, between Ceph's experience and Cabd's wickedness as a game designer.

[geists]

I'm irritated because xof is basically a lurker wagon and wagoning her as she goes V/LA isn't going to create any meaningful pressure there.

I'm irritated that xof went v/la without acknowledging the already existant wagon of 5 she had prior to that post.

[geists]

yes, usually, but in this case, I AM THE GAME. I mean there's like literally no way inuyasha is the bad guy. there aren't enoug good guys if he is.

How about doing something that advances the game instead of arguing whether you're a virtual flavor-IC?

[geists]

Yeah, MDT, but do you get the feeling shos wanted this?

I just can't shake the feeling he wanted to be ran up to claim so he could do this.

Everything looks so genuinely chaotic and messy, though. His level of complete and udder indignation in the face of his claim being called into question is almost palpable.

All I can think of is that Xenosaga mafia debacle I played such a large hand in. It felt much like this.

I've been thinking about that game also.

[geists]

I've been thinking about that game also.

Any thoughts in particular?

Mostly comparing your (kagami's) certainty that your character info would clear you to shos' similar mindset. I feel like your certainty was more clear and more expectant if that makes sense, but I don't know if the slight difference is meaningful.

I've also compared flandre's off notes to xof's and I feel pretty good about that wagon. It needs more votes.

[geists]

You mean the one vote? I think it's more forgivable than xof but right now not by much. Small wagons on absentees/replacees are not great at this stage in the game

xof said she would be on v/la for a day, coming back on Friday. :/

You're trying way too hard to dismantle a wagon that isn't even leading the pack atm.

[geists]

You're trying way too hard to dismantle a wagon that isn't even leading the pack atm.

What is your read on my slot and why?

my read is cautious as hell leaning town.

I liked iece's response to my comment about our prior games.

I probably overestimate my learnings after I play against someone who's scum but I think I have picked up a few things.

[geists]

The fuck is with this xolef cw to obvscum shos?

Xof is massive scum because she defended someone, got defensive, and then let a wagon happen while she was V/LA

This has fuck-all to do with why I'm voting xof. The only phrase that even resonates is "got defensive', but I doubt we'd even be talking about the same posts.

If I could see a good reason for a fellow-scum to stick their neck out this far and for this long, I'd probably be voting you right now.

[geists]

Why are you voting her then, geists? I don't understand this case at all.

I should just yell at you to read my iso.

yes, you

So do you no longer scumread Abomination? Or is the AngryIce read in addition to that?

What the hell is this crap where you and Mist act like its odd to have multiple scumreads?

Still think Abomination is scum.

I was actually seeking clarification, since you called out the scum on your wagon and only indicated Furious Frozen Water. Do you honestly think it's 2 scum and 1 town currently on you? Meh. I'm pretty happy with my vote on you.

@Geists - what's the xolf case?

This is what I've posted:

I haven't called you out. You've posted enough that I have a tentative read.

That's fine, but I am here (but not caught up), so lets bounce reads. I see you voting xofelf, walk me through that.

46 - felt off as a reaction to an rvs vote.

73 - contradicts 46 in that xofelf says she doesn't react to rvs votes after reacting to one.

119 - feels a little defensive. I probably wouldn't be concerned about it if not for the way 46 and 73 struck me.

She's also soft-defended Abomination argued against a policy lynch, but the concern looks premature, maybe contrived. Overall she feels jumpy and defensive.

Klick townreads her for something that I don't understand, and I don't think he's explained it yet.

Correction: 46 was a response to a comment from Action Dan about the tags possibly being voteworthy.

The relevant part below bolded.

Ffer

town reading me because the timing of my vote raises an eyebrow. This woman is notoriously hard to charm.

1. scummiest thing to hit the thread at that point in time gets posted
2. somebody puts a vote down on the person who posted the scummiest thing to hit the thread
3. ffery picks up a tentative town read.

Something like that happens in nearly every game I play. Sometimes the tentative town read even lasts the game day.

This is the second time you've done a drive-by soft-fos. If you have a concern about me why aren't you trying to sort me?

I'm curious why you asked someone who's made recent comments about her given a few people voted recently with no trajectory at all.

[geists]

But 73 is only relevant if 46 is. You literally just said it wasn't an RVS reaction, therefore there's no contradiction, therefore 119 shouldn't cause you concern?

The post she was reacting to was this (note the bolded):

I'd only vote her for not using proper bracketing.

Guys let's all vote for ActionDan please thanks.

Doubling down on cheek.

I'll raise you 40 zorbucks.

And her reaction was this:

I'm so sorry that I prefer

over VOTE: ?
Am I not allowed to have a preference? I'm used to using

for things and VOTE: being a typo soo I dunno man. Muscle memory and all that.

That's an overreaction to something in RVS that wasn't a vote - was even less than a vote. And that looked like a joke to me.

So yeah, overreaction in RVS.

[geists]

Geists, why are you voting xof? The wagon composition at the end just hopped from shos? We have two on Y and B. Throw your weigh behind and we have three. Young and Beautiful is doing no real scumhunting. All the vote parking, you know, is suspicious as fuck. Now let's lynch scum.

- VFT -

I'm voting xof because I think she's scum.

[geists]

Geists what if she's not scum? Who's scum then?

Why are you asking this? Whether she's scum or not doesn't impact our other reads.

Nati thinks rhaego was scum and I agree. Y&B and Clyton/neil1113 are also scumreads.

You're giving me hives. Haven't decided if you're scum.

BulbaFenix ping a little. The Goat, Kdowns/Mist are also pinging a little. I thought the way kdowns replaced out looked a little scummy.

[geists]

I'm asking because I don't think you're scum and wanted to know if any of your other reads were better or more interesting. Why did you never vote Rhaego or any of your other scum reads.

BECAUSE I WAS VOTING XOF.

I'm one player. My vote is on someone I think is scum. It's giving me hives that you're trying so hard to talk me out of this vote rather than arguing for people to vote your own scumreads, or explaining the town mindset behind xof's posts that I'm missing.

Can you explain them to me?

Not interested in doing that right now, no.

[geists]

UNVOTE

[geists]

I don't think we'll be voting shos today.

[geists]

VOTE: Young & Beautiful

[geists]

I don't think anyone will today. >.<

Talk to me about Rhaego and YB?

PEDIT:
Or just YB

Their posts have an oblique, hollow feel, like the core of their stances have no substance. Nearly every post feels like it's been overworked - reworded, to hide something. I think at least one of them is the kind of player who doesn't like to lie and that impacts how they phrase things.

[geists]

I get the distinct impression you don't care why I'm voting who I'm voting as long as I changed my vote.

[geists]

Y&B is scum, sure, but Clyton/neil? 100% town. Don't pursue further, pleaseandthankyou.

I'll form my reads as I see fit pleaseandthankyou.

[geists]

(And yes, I am a manipulative bitch.
Don't give a damn.
I'm right. 100% on this.
I will manipulate you all I like when it comes to something that SURPASSES a Rancid-level townread.)

Your Rancid-level townread or mine?

I'll be happy to talk to you about the Clyton read.

[geists]

It's like nobody reads my fucking posts.

[geists]

geists, talk to me about SG?

So far I've gotten mild town vibes from her posts.

[geists]

Come on, babe,

talk

to

me

. I'll make it worth your while.

- y -

been there, done that.

[geists]

I have read your posts from the latter half of your ISO and I can't find a read of Always. I hope it's scum. I worry it's not.

The arrogance bugs me and could eventually affect my read depending on other aspects of play, but Always posted some very town stuff early in the game day and has continued to hit those notes occasionally. My read hasn't changed.

[geists]

What no. I've been reading over the YB ISO and trying to figure out if it's just derping or scum.

What did you figure out?

your arrogance is so disgusting and unfounded.

so this is why people dislike you.

PEdit: well done, good girl. still bitter from AAA? you couldn't touch me as scum.

Always isn't getting lynched today. Why are you coaching Y&B?

mine

[geists]

your arrogance is so disgusting and unfounded.

so this is why people dislike you.

PEdit: well done, good girl. still bitter from AAA? you couldn't touch me as scum.

Always isn't getting lynched today. Why are you coaching Y&B?

I'm going to push an Always lynch and I have no intention of stopping it, I do not care if you think it's possible or not.

I haven't and never will coach Y&B. Do you think me saying "good girl" to her voting me is coaching?

That's a derisive tone I use to people who can barely play. Not coaching.

pedit: yeah yeah, keep posturing, little girl.

Shades of red wine.

[geists]

your arrogance is so disgusting and unfounded.

so this is why people dislike you.

PEdit: well done, good girl. still bitter from AAA? you couldn't touch me as scum.

Always isn't getting lynched today. Why are you coaching Y&B?

I'm going to push an Always lynch and I have no intention of stopping it, I do not care if you think it's possible or not.

I haven't and never will coach Y&B. Do you think me saying "good girl" to her voting me is coaching?

That's a derisive tone I use to people who can barely play. Not coaching.

pedit: yeah yeah, keep posturing, little girl.

Shades of red wine.

Do you want to engage with me, no?

It's what I'm trying to do, yes. Your stance on Always feels similar to your stance on Katsuki in that game.

I tried to help YnB and she voted me out of the fucking blue.

This is what I'd like to understand - why you tried to help her.

I have no interest in talking to her anymore, and I'll openly say that's terrible townplay and terrible townplay is done by a terrible townplayer.

So you were, and are townreading her?

I actually think she's scum, to be fair, but still.

Or maybe not.

Thank you, though, for responding, ffery. It's much appreciated.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm. :/

[geists]

Better way of saying this: Clyton/neil, Venmar, and shos (with an outlier in Squirrel Girl who isn't a member but shouldn't be bothered) are my central core townbloc. If someone fucks with them or fucks with me (that is, claiming to know me when they don't--Egg and Mhork come to mind; I do NOT like people who are right for the wrong reasons, even if townreading me correctly), then I will be fucking them back by being an ass.

This is a really interesting townbloc, mostly in the players that aren't in it.

I'd still like to talk with you about your Clyton read, because based on one game played with him (where he was scum), I can see that his participation in this game was quite different, but I don't know why that difference should be called strongly town. 2 data points, one flip.

[geists]

Majiffy's posts amuse me.

Is anybody opposed to lynching Mist? The few posts that exist are scummy as balls. If anybody thinks Mist is town they should challenge me to a children's card game over it.

~Tobias

What do you guys think about lynching Y&B?

[geists]

Can we talk about my Mist case? I want attention, god damn it.

~Pajaro.

I think you're probably right about Mist.

Why should we lynch Mist first?

[geists]

Why should we lynch Mist first?

-Mist is not doing anything protown so I won't miss her even if Im wrong.
-Mist is probably scum (IMO) based on that post and her air in general.
-Nobody in this game thinks Mist is town, so there shouldn't be much opposition to doing it.

I feel like all of that applies to Y&B, with the addition that Y&B is adding a lot of distracting noise.

I'm willing to put our vote on Mist.

[geists]

I want an AIR lynch >.<
Fine

VOTE: shos

Mhork.

[geists]

Geists?

I will vote Xof to prevent Shos' lynch. Don't do this shit to me after I gave your concerns a hearing.

[geists]

Ok but, like, the only alternative is YB and I'd rather wipe shos :/

Also no the mist case feels lazy. She's obviously not here right now and she's not a serious hardcore player

Does that make her town?

[geists]

It makes her null~

And shos is likely town.

I guess I'm going to have to break down and do a fucking 28 player reads list tonight.

I hate you all.

[geists]

Town

Squirrel Girl
AngryIcerink
Majiffy
Always
Abomination - but they are kinda skating on what burning earth put into the thread imo.
Venmar
HighShroomish

Kinda Town

Lord Mhork
shos
T S O
Birds of Prey
ActionDan - was higher, read is going stale.
Moogle Dance Troupe
Svenskt Stål - probably should move him up but I'm annoyed.
Nero Cain
neil1113 - because I'm tired of mastin's condescension
Egg - probably belongs in the next higher group but I don't want to think about it right now.

Maybe Town

beastcharizard - maybe belongs in not so town.
BBmolla - being pretty useless now after some town-looking early posts
xofelf - grudgingly here

Not So Town

BulbaFenix - becoming pretty concerned that they've had so little impact on the game state.
Lemniscate - previous slot-holders didn't impress, and more data needed
Young and Beautiful
Mist7676 - scummy posts punctuate a lot of lurking

Stale Reads

ProHawk - was pretty town before fading
Katsuki - was kinda town and sliding downward. Assuming he'll be replaced.

More Data Needed

The Goat - mostly like him so far but fuck if I'll call him town yet when he ignored the game so long.

sigh

[geists]

And Nati likes Birds of Prey in the top group. Good enough.

[geists]

Who is Lemniscate? They were talking to me but idk who they are.

Rhaego/Wake88/Lemniscate

[geists]

Also we're moving TSO into the top group.

[geists]

ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL

VOTE: Lemniscate

[geists]

But wait, why? Because, Rhaego was scum, Wake was scum and so Lemon's scum.

[geists]

Good afternoon everyone.

I'll skim through this beast of a thread.

LOOK AT THIS

THIS IS WHAT SCUM IS MADE OF

ALL THE INTENT

No one can just 'skim' a thread.

Also, 'beast' of a thread clearly is softclaiming Inyuyasha.

[geists]

And Nati likes Birds of Prey in the top group. Good enough.

Really, why? I've actually been disliking most of their stuff. It kind of hit me subtly, not any one thing, but I started thinking about them and I guess (without looking at any posts right now) I'd say they are being kind of a non-presence. They are sort of around but not really stirring the pot.
~AP

I'm not sure which head posts, but I'm getting a town-pere vibe off their questions, pushes and stances.

[geists]

I'm not Pere. Pere would sign his posts Pere as he alt slipped.

Also, why did you change your vote to Lemni? Y and B is a scum wagon.

- VFT -

Nati wants to see that slot hang.

[geists]

Not So Town

BulbaFenix - becoming pretty concerned that they've had so little impact on the game state

:/

[geists]

Second, I'm not Angry Pidgeon geists. The avatar that AngryIcerink has should be a giveaway there. The birds part of our name actually comes from the PV part of the hydra.

I know you aren't AP?

Also, how do you feel about xof and shos making the wagons 6-6-6 by voting Y&B?

[geists]

Nati needs to calm his titties and place his vote somewhere useful.

You understand that the Lemon slot is like the scummiest thing ever right?

Do you know who Wake88 is?

[geists]

Nati, if you vote Y and B, we'll vote Lemni tomorrow.

- VFT -

No. In this scenario, it's just wrong to.

[geists]

Post

why won't this day end

Vote Lemniscate.

[geists]

I'm not voting Y&B. I think Lemniscate's slot is more interesting to push at the moment, if someone would take me seriously.

[geists]

Like, none of Lemniscate's three posts indicates a thought process deeper than 'this happened'. Cagey.

Wake hates playing as scum, and is prone to replacing out of scumgames in the past. Duh.

Rhaego was just like deliberately scummy--remember his Apocalypse vote lol?

[geists]

Burn with fire.

VOTE: Abomination

We have an additional power that we can forfeit to stop being a miller.

So will you use it?

Stop fighting. Now.

Like look at these and tell me the town intent.

He apparently plays similarly to me, and trust me--I can read myself.

[geists]

I don't disagree with Y&B being scum. I don't need a case to see that.

I'm very deliberately shifting the focus onto a different slot, though, for now.

[geists]

This is why we can't have shiny things. We find scum. We lynch scum. We lynch agreed upon scum first. This makes me paranoid you're saying their scum but voting elsewhere because you don't want to bus. Your play gives me no reason to feel that, but your vote certainly does.

196 does have town intent. He wants to lock Abomination into whether they will be guilty or innocent on a cop check. That's the whole point of millers claim day 1.

- VFT -

You're free to think I'm scum and lynch me+Y&B after we lynch Lemniscate, okay?

Also lol I don't bus? I literally just lost a game for hard bussing my partner.

[geists]

I agree with Nat about Lem but whichever head posted that reads list is bad bad bad

pls put your vote where your mouth is.

[geists]

Self-meta sucks shit. It's not a bus if you plan on getting off precisely when Y and B is the top wagon. Also, I don't know which head says they don't bus but things can go wonky in hydras. I don't intend to vote Lemniscate for a flim flap case over an opportunist who flatly refuses to provide content.

- VFT -

flim flam?

First off, you gotta understand I had nothing to do with the Y&B wagon and we both think that it's a wagon of ill content at the moment.

Second, flim flam? That case is about as slam-dunk as you can get on day one of a twenty eight player game.

[geists]

Like seriously, go ahead and just vote me tomorrow if you want. Let's just kill Lemniscate first.

[geists]

PV IM APPEALING TO YOU

PV

PEEEEEVEEEEEE

[geists]

Please explain the SG and Sven reads here.

I can't not think SG is town. Mindset seems totally town so far.

Svenskt is a gut read.

[geists]

Neil is more town than I am, ffery. Butyeah, really liked the townread list. The only read I'd even remotely hesitate on (and it'd be bumping down, not eliminating nor disagreeing with) is Shroomish, and that's on AP's request.

Most of the kinda-town group I'm not exactly getting, though. Like the reads otherwise, though the townreads section is what I felt was the best.

Don't feel pressured by this, please. Not trying to force changes in read, just offering my own commentary on them.

The game is so large and unwieldy that I decided to add another group to my usual piles.

Kinda town = leaning town, but not as strongly as the first group
Maybe town = various shades of null

[geists]

Please explain the SG and Sven reads here.

Why those particular reads?

[geists]

Ffer

, i think we are playing our first town town game.

Not so! Polygamy and that horrible Donner Party game.

[geists]

For Geists and BBMolla

Yes your case is flim flam geists.

I have no content scum who refuses to provide it and hops onto every major wagon. I have people like you/TSO saying they are scum, but still wanting a counterwagon anyway. They provide useless filler, which some people are townreading them for despite this wagon being fought for tooth and nail. Shos and xoe's wagons, overnight. Add in AP's sudden scumread on me after the Y and B wagon takes off...

How many people bailed on shos and xoelf because the wagon gained to much steam or they had other scumreads? Zero. You know why? Because they are town.

I wouldn't be surprised if we are looking at one team given the wagon behavior.

Compare that to

Asking Abomination to confirm whether they're a miller or not. That's literally the entire case on Leminscate. Yet, Geists sells that up as the best thing since sliced bread. Why wouldn't geists push it sooner if they believed the case was that good? Why wait until Y and B was the top wagon?

- VFT -

I take exception to you calling my partner's case flim flam.

[geists]

Ffer

, i think we are playing our first town town game.

Not so! Polygamy and that horrible Donner Party game.

Oh! And the borkgame micro!

[geists]

fferyhead ascendant

VOTE: Young and Beautiful

[geists]

holy shit

[geists]

I should unvote and revote more often.

[geists]

where the hell is katsuki?

[geists]

'Is active lurking scummy?' Is up for debate.

'Is active lurking scummier than pure lurking?'

'Am I 100% active lurking? ' I've seen far too many examples of active lurkers flipping town. In fact, from what I have seen, they are mislynch bait more often than not. For example, saki.

- b -

"Because saki active lurks, too" is a terrible argument for not lynching you, jsyk.

[geists]

Ok, so as useless as Y&B are, I think they're actually right about two of their scumreads, probably by chance. I'm about 95% on both BoP and xof for scum (which is about as high as I go).

Xof's reaction to her wagon was not a town reaction, it's the reaction of scum who has a lot of partners (I'm also 95% that this is 20-7-1). She wasn't afraid of a mislynch, nor aggressive toward her attackers, because she knows they're all town. Her reaction to being wagoned in part for lurking is to lurk it off, which is of course going to be successful, because there's conveniently a player whom

nobody

is townreading and who is also being deliberately obnoxious. Conveniently, that wagon starts up nicely and goes full blast with no resistance.

And this

We got one week to get the rest of the votes needed.

is a request for sheeps from the town, because the wagon is already laden with scum, and at least one of those "almost deadline" votes is going to be "terrible" tomorrow.

Bulb is still also scum; wake-slot is probably scum if he wasn't WoTC'ed. One of the other votes on the Y&B wagon is scum, and it's not geists, shos, TSO, or mhork.

-kagami

Who do you think we should be lynching then?

[geists]

It's mostly a Nati read.

It worries me a little is that the active head isn't Pere.

[geists]

It's not even your behavior that makes you scum, and since apparently your into observing reactions rather than enciting them (I'm the same way!), this should be evident.

Nobody, nobody at all, has townread Y&B this game, and for good reason. They are clearly being deliberately useless; they decided to sign up as an anonymous hydra and see if they could get by blowing kisses and acting cutesy.

Unfortunately, they're probably town for roughly the same reason that you're probably scum. The circumstances of the wagons surrounding your slots coupled with the very high probability of a seven-man scumteam make Y&B the scum designated mislynch. Even the timing of it is awful, and plays directly into the "only a week left!" rubbish.

The constituency of the wagon is awful. Of the 11 names there, only geists, TSO, shos, and mhork are townreads. Does anyone seriously believe this is a town-driven wagon? I considered the possibility that this is all a big bus on a liability, but even that seems unlikely, because it's a hard-counterwagon to xolf, which makes little sense regardless of her alignment.

-kagami

kagami. Flandre, day 1, Xenosaga.

[geists]

kagami. Flandre, day 1, Xenosaga.

Flandre wagon was super town. Ceph got on early, because it was in part a counterwagon to his own, but after that only the hammer was scum. The driving force was all town. Yes, I was on the wrong side of it, if that's what you mean to point out.

This wagon really, really doesn't look the same.

It was a smaller game. I dunno. I remember people making arguments about how flandre was derptown and designated mislynch, but it kept growing.

I don't like how it has picked up such incredible steam so quickly, but most of the late jumpers not trying to save their own skins look town to me.

[geists]

Which among lemniscate, mist, and abom look town?

abom, TSO, mhork are who I meant.

I think we've made our opinion of lemniscate and mist pretty clear.

[geists]

UNVOTE

I see the claim. Still have a few pages to read.

[geists]

And back to

VOTE: Lemniscate

.

[geists]

If you don't like the lemniscate wagon then you don't like Nati. This interests me greatly.

[geists]

I was certainly entertaining the possibility based on action dan's post.

kagami(?) thinks the way the Y&B wagon took off there at its height looked kinda like a 7 player scumteam.

I hate trying to sort that stuff without flips. I want to lynch a strong scumread and let god sort multiball out.

[geists]

Can someone explain why we're all playing ignore-obvscum-shos?

Because I'm not at all convinced he's obvscum and you yelling that he is, especially on day 1, doesn't do a lot to convince me.

[geists]

go ahead and tell me that surprises you.

[geists]

@ceph whoo! I'm a double voter!

I should run a game where catching the mod's VC errors is a mechanic.

[geists]

lemniscate.

[geists]

VOTE: Nero Cain

I might go to BoP since I didn't like his reaction to the YaB claim, but I'd rather not lead a whole new wagon.

- Axxle

Your thoughts on lemniscate?

[geists]

You replaced into a slot that I am leaning town on. Please don't fuck that up if you're town.

[geists]

I don't like to tell stories and I don't think town replace-ees should rely on stories.

Y&B was run up over 10 votes iirc and claimed friendly neighbor.

Bird of Prey's push there, especially the reaction to the claim is interesting. Nati thinks lemniscate is scum and I've moved our vote back there for now.

Look at the isos of lemniscate, mist7676 and Xof. If you've played with any of them I'm curious what you think.

Majiffy's scumreading Xof and pushing that wagon hard. SG and Nero are scumreading each other. Other stuff happened.

[geists]

Sorry Majiffy's pushing Shos not Xof.

[geists]

VOTE: Nero Cain

I might go to BoP since I didn't like his reaction to the YaB claim, but I'd rather not lead a whole new wagon.

- Axxle

Your thoughts on lemniscate?

The slot is pretty solidly null, why is your vote on her again?

-Axxle

Start reading Nati posts here http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p6005247

for why we're voting there.

[geists]

188 What did you like?

Ugh lost a post with a bunch of iso's you probably won't read anyway.

What I liked was that it was a strong and concise opening stance. Look at Tales of Vesperia for a scum game:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

[geists]

257 oh I forgot to add that guy to my scum list. I don't like this guy. This post is active lurking. He comments on something game related to look protown while avoiding giving any stances.

259 god damnit I lol'd

273 Mala I loved this post. Maybe I can townread you guys.

277 I do!

285 How about I don't trust you

291 Please tell me this gets wagoned at some point in the game. I haven't seen jack shit from them except "shos is scum" "pl the hydra"

292 Ffs this needs a wagon too

304 So basically you have your opinions on who needs to be lynched but you have no intention of trying to turn those opinions into a reality?

319 Care to fill me in? I'm not familiar with this style of Prohawk's.

335 Yes.

342 Are you town? I think you're town. I want you to be town.

372 >.>

387 WHY ARE WE NOT VOTING THIS

392 Remind me this is a thing if Rhehaehuhuaeruheatuhaeh flips scum

416 I want to try to work with bulba this game.

427 I really want to work with bulba this game

465 This is the first post of their's I've actually found tolerable

[post]483p/post] fucking lol

town (

majiffy

mala

katsuki(I liked the start but it's kinda fizzled)

bulba

idgaf- everyone else

why is this not being wagoned- (rhahsahefhfahgo, YB, Mhork)

VOTE: rhaego

Rhaego is now lemniscate.

I am highly insulted I'm in the idgaf pile.

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Also, iso me if you want to read a lot of shit about rhaego/wake88/lemniscate.

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Not while you're being all waffly about me, no.

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Also, wake only made 2 posts or something before he replaced out.

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Oblivious to what?

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good luck with that :/

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he'll come argue. I don't think you'll change his mind.

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was mhork in tales

because I'm here thinknig he's trying to make it happen again

make mastin get upset and lash out and basically cause a shitstorm in the game for scum to hide in

pedit-

I'm not trying to change his mind I'm trying to rack it for info on others

pedit2-

The good ol' "I can't explain my predecessors defense" lol

mhork was not in tales.

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Lemniscate you have 5 posts.

This is the first post where you've even acknowledged Nati's push on your slot and your answer is "I can't defend against that".

Who do you have scum reads on?

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Nero, Shos, AIR, BoP.

I have null leaning scum reads, but they aren't anything to boast about. Why?

IME people who have scum reads usually mention them all.

I was trying to figure them out from who you quoted in that post and what you responded to and it wasn't very edifying.

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IME people who have scum reads usually mention them all.

I was trying to figure them out from who you quoted in that post and what you responded to and it wasn't very edifying.

You still think Lemon is scum? I thought his little outburst here was townish. I agree with Molla though, mixed opinions. Is it bad that Molla is becoming my best townread?

the outburst wasn't bad tonewise but there's no trajectory, no reason for the reads.

Go back and look at that townish post. It was 99% yelling at Nati. Not about his scum reads including who he voted.

I'm going to need more evidence of town mindset to change my read.

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why can't we lynch mhork

Did you read through mhork's argument with me about Xof?

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k

I read it

What am I supposed to be seeing

I don't have a preconceived notion of what you should see, but Mhork's defense of Xof has been one of the defining events for me and despite not really liking associations as a scumhunting tool on day 1, I am really curious what one's flip would say about the other.

If I leave the lemniscate wagon, I'll probably vote Xof.

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Do you have a read on angryicerink?

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oooookay. clears that up.

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Vote a leading wagon please, I don't care i you decide you want to switch to another leading wagon later. I don't trust you to actually vote before deadline.

You cut me, sir. Your lack of trust is something that will haunt my dr...no...wait...

...I'm over it.

When are you going to start playing this game?

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Vote a leading wagon please, I don't care i you decide you want to switch to another leading wagon later. I don't trust you to actually vote before deadline.

You cut me, sir. Your lack of trust is something that will haunt my dr...no...wait...

...I'm over it.

When are you going to start playing this game?

I'm pacing myself. Shaddap.

bullshit.

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I really can't say anything that wouldn't leave scorch marks on the server.

Do something useful.

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I'm probably going to avoid the thread for a few hours. bad mood abatement program.

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Because ffery won't talk to me until I commit a read on their slot

Sven's welcome to talk but I don't thikn he's been following anything.

I want to talk to mala but she has to actually read the game before I can do that.

That's bullshit. I've been talking to you.

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I am Inuyasha,

Town Demon

Scenter Searching Empathic Vigilante.

Lol @ role name yea indeed

Basically I use tessaiga to duel someone, and I can learn 1s abilities from it, which are probably likely vigging abilities.

Also, each morning I am told if i was targetted at night, and by what. This can be undead, demon, both or none.

Here he says Town Demon

I'll rephrase everything for you.
my role pm has the word undead, and somewhere in it,

it also has the word demon, when not relating to me, okay?

so I took that as a 'oh the scum are probably the undead and demons'. and that's it. alrgiht? now. you're town mhork, so stfu and move on.

Tis Bird of Prey character is town. who did he replace?

Here he claims that he isn't a Demon. Scum is caught, good night everyone.

That is not a slip of any sort. Regardless of Shos' alignment.

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Ffer

,

squirrel

,

prohawk

Lets get the gang together and abolish this foolishness.

I am absolutely not voting Shos.

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How do you feel about Xof's claim and that wagon?

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If I were making up a fake claim I wouldn't go for such a swiss army knife joat claim.

Xof bothers me for other reasons, but I am inclined to let things develop there.

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If I were making up a fake claim I wouldn't go for such a swiss army knife joat claim.

Xof bothers me for other reasons, but I am inclined to let things develop there.

The part about going baack and checking her pm when shos claimed is what I did with the demon stuff. thats what sold me.

xof has bothered me too, was my fist vote i belive.

I'm staying with lemniscate unless Nati tells me that something she posted over the last couple days makes things all better.

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for those unaware of flavor and too lazy to look it up:

Shippo is the little fox demon who joins the protagonists several episodes into the series. He has transformation magic that he mostly uses to distract enemies or provide transportation for a single person. He is super weak and usually doesn't fight, and he's into human girls for some reason. If he fights, he bites or uses foxfire, neither of which hurts anything very much.

From the inuyasha wiki, which I strongly suspect ceph referred to heavily while making the setup (my PM image is the one at the top of my character's page):

Foxfire: The ability to create incredibly hot greenish fire with demonic skills. It has next to no burn effect on opponents, but it can burn things like spider webs. It can neutralize fire from enemies, making it more of a defensive spell than an attack. The flame can be turned blue and can be held in his hand as a torch, such as when he is in caves or dark areas. This is also his main attack. Foxfire can be used as a shield, too. This was first shown when the fur of Shippō's deceased father created Foxfire to protect Shippō and Kagome from Hiten's thunderbolts. This ability also made its debut in the tenth episode of the series.

I don't get what you're trying to say here.

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for those unaware of flavor and too lazy to look it up:

Shippo is the little fox demon who joins the protagonists several episodes into the series. He has transformation magic that he mostly uses to distract enemies or provide transportation for a single person. He is super weak and usually doesn't fight, and he's into human girls for some reason. If he fights, he bites or uses foxfire, neither of which hurts anything very much.

From the inuyasha wiki, which I strongly suspect ceph referred to heavily while making the setup (my PM image is the one at the top of my character's page):

Foxfire: The ability to create incredibly hot greenish fire with demonic skills. It has next to no burn effect on opponents, but it can burn things like spider webs. It can neutralize fire from enemies, making it more of a defensive spell than an attack. The flame can be turned blue and can be held in his hand as a torch, such as when he is in caves or dark areas. This is also his main attack. Foxfire can be used as a shield, too. This was first shown when the fur of Shippō's deceased father created Foxfire to protect Shippō and Kagome from Hiten's thunderbolts. This ability also made its debut in the tenth episode of the series.

I don't get what you're trying to say here.

i cant find any info about wether scum has daytalk, do you know?

I dun't know and I can't really predict. This is the 3rd Ceph game I've played. In the AMoL mini scum had daytalk. In FE:A I am not positive but I don't think they had daytalk. That game had a ton of family neighborhoods and the neighborhoods weren't open during the day. I will dig through the FE:A postgame and see what I can find.

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Ok, per the role pms in this postgame post, FE:A's scum team didn't have day chat.

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What I mean is, are you suggesting it's a fake claim and we should be lynching there? I don't get that kind of resolve from your post.

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Are you serious ferry?

I feel like I'm missing something, but I don't have time right now to figure out what it is. This is not a good day for sitting down and rereading carefully.

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Ffer

,

squirrel

,

prohawk

Lets get the gang together and abolish this foolishness.

Nope nope and nope. Not one person commented on my case. Not one. I'm not moving from this foolishery.

I don't think that's the foolishery svenskt was talking about. :/

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We have 2 days until deadline. This wagon went nowhere when Nati first tried to push it. :/

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My apologies, I misspoke. It'll be a limited flavor claim as in not characters. I'll explain more tomorrow.

I think ap is being really stupid about prohawk And I have no clue why you dislike our interactions.

We have 2 days until deadline. This wagon went nowhere when Nati first tried to push it. :/

No one wants to lynch a claimed pr. What do you think ofap?

I thought his entrance looked kinda town. Iece also gave me a town sense eventually. It's faded a little, but I dunno. I am not getting scum vibes from AP. And I do get scum vibes when he's scum.

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I'm telling you, I'm seeing me from sitcom in lemni's posts.

I'm expecting major newbtown flail.

Any thoughts on my tinfoil team? The former 3 I can actually see.

pedit-

Fair enough. I just feel like they feel awkward.

At the top of the page first thing that popped into my mind was the scumteam voting block in tales.

Your scumteam 1 consists of some of my townreads.

I thought B_E-Abom looked pretty town. I've also gotten town-vibes from Axxle.

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This is probably role madness and whining about lynching a PR claim D1 is fucking stupid.

Shos is scum. Clear and simple. Lemi wagon is a flash scum-hopped wagon that no one is going to actively fight because Lemi is a non-presence and will probably be an easy no-claim hammer to pull off.

Look at the people that actively fought the shos wagon every step of the way when he flips scum.

Yeah, definitely look at me.

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Where did I point it out?

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Yeah, definitely look at me.

I'm not above it. You haven't given me anything to work with.

I've put tons of stance on numerous players into the game thread.

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Your scumteam 1 consists of some of my townreads.

I thought B_E-Abom looked pretty town. I've also gotten town-vibes from Axxle.

The main key to that team is AP though

Iec had an early post that made me raise an eyebrow regarding abom

And I didn't like him/nero's interactions recently

And I don't like AP trying to push a lynch on a newbie without giving her a fair shot

pedit-

I'm against the shos wagon because I'm empirically awful

I'm pushing that lynch. AP has been against it and from what I'm seeing they're settling for a deadline compromise.