good pointIn post 11, Red Gyarados wrote:I don't know why we're starting other wagons when we can find Tammy's alignment by bringing them to L-3 before Page 5.
VOTE: Titan
tammy needs to town it up quickly
good pointIn post 11, Red Gyarados wrote:I don't know why we're starting other wagons when we can find Tammy's alignment by bringing them to L-3 before Page 5.
VOTE: Titan
I'm not sure what you mean by the last line or if that's a dig at me, but Nacho will be able to recognize that I'm town through and through from my first post.In post 72, Kagura wrote:I mean, that's the plan pretty much every game for me.Tammy wrote:Okay here's what I need from you guys. Nacho, if you're town I need to feel it. Alternatively, Bork you can obvtown up your slot ASAP please. I will stay with you, but if you value my sanity at all (and if you're town you should!), you will please just do this for me.
We got off to a pretty crap start last game - I'd prefer not to repeat it, but I didn't really understand I was doing that was upsetting you last time. I don't mind this kind of opening from you, but if you're town I expect it not to be very long lived.
-b
In post 77, fferyllt wrote:No crystal-shattering town-notes for me yet, but I wouldn't expect one quite so soon.In post 74, Titan wrote:Ffery - any early thoughts on Bork?
Re that other game, I think you were more concerned about my Deacon Blues posts than bork's as far as reading us early on. In fact, bork townslipped like a boss in one of his early posts but nobody in the game really noticed.
We both apparently got under your skin in non-alignment-indicative ways. The dynamics will probably be different in this game.
In post 83, Lord Business wrote:Is it normal for Titan to manipulate things with emotional blackmail?
I'm not seeing a town attitude towards demanding people prove they are town for the benefit of their mental state. Seems both forced and trying to stay in the upper hand.
r u srsIn post 83, Lord Business wrote:Is it normal for Titan to manipulate things with emotional blackmail?
I'm not seeing a town attitude towards demanding people prove they are town for the benefit of their mental state. Seems both forced and trying to stay in the upper hand.
Okay now that I have a quick break, I can respond.In post 83, Lord Business wrote:Is it normal for Titan to manipulate things with emotional blackmail?
I'm not seeing a town attitude towards demanding people prove they are town for the benefit of their mental state. Seems both forced and trying to stay in the upper hand.
In post 103, The Fox and the Hound wrote:Yes, although I don't really think they were doing it here (yet).In post 83, Lord Business wrote:Is it normal for Titan to manipulate things with emotional blackmail?
Actually, both of our heads liked and agreed with his first post, if it's the one I think it was. This is also me relatively endorsing the location of our vote. If you still think this you may need to spell it out, though it looks like maybe you don't anymore.In post 96, Titan wrote:okay so can we just lynch LB today b/c both his/their posts are horrid regardless?
This actually seems like a pretty organic reaction to you Tammy, all things considered.In post 98, Lord Business wrote:Also, horrid posts?
A player focusing entirely on the game setup and theme stands out as trying not to interact with the players.
And your hydra currently is demanding a few other people you know prove to you that they are town. The line of dialogue whereby you say how obvious it should be you are town suggests a self awareness you are playing up to a known town meta. And self awareness can be a scum tell.
By contrast I have seen rhymes, emotional blackmail, demands of obvious town play, discussion over the setup and one person pretending to be another person in they hydra. Horrid doesn't come close.
~Copper
Every day of that game I asked myself how the hell was I still alive when I was so obviously not town.In post 14, The Fox and the Hound wrote:Yeah, but if we find out that she's scum apparently we'll just proceed to not lynch her for some reason.In post 11, Red Gyarados wrote:I don't know why we're starting other wagons when we can find Tammy's alignment by bringing them to L-3 before Page 5.
VOTE: Titan
In post 16, Red Gyarados wrote: pedit- I want the reference too. I want to sort Tammy as fast as possible.
I seem to remember a two-week long cheese troll stroll.In post 36, MastinSSK wrote:I could crank out a paragraph about cheese? I could make all the posts about cheese.In post 32, The Fox and the Hound wrote:I don't think there is anything you can possibly do to convince me that you're SSK.
I had to go back to work, but I didn't know if the that won't last long if you're town was referring to the reach out to you guys. But, this makes better sense.In post 75, Kagura wrote:It is not a dig at you - If you're town, I'm expecting you to figure us out.
-b
Hey you should be happy it's only at five pages. Last time we all got together in hydras, there was what? 20 something pages in the first 24 hours.In post 98, Lord Business wrote: By contrast I have seen rhymes, emotional blackmail, demands of obvious town play, discussion over the setup and one person pretending to be another person in they hydra. Horrid doesn't come close.
In post 114, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Yeah I actually did too but I was just trying to get an aggressive reaction out of him so then Tammy can respond to him with a super duper town post.In post 103, The Fox and the Hound wrote:Actually, both of our heads liked and agreed with his first post, if it's the one I think it was.In post 96, Titan wrote:okay so can we just lynch LB today b/c both his/their posts are horrid regardless?
~Copper
Me too! I'd actually be able to participate this time as I'm not as busy as I was for the last one, and I'm not not-town and dreading every post.In post 118, The Fox and the Hound wrote:I am honestly disappointed that this didn't happen.In post 115, Titan wrote:Hey you should be happy it's only at five pages. Last time we all got together in hydras, there was what? 20 something pages in the first 24 hours.In post 98, Lord Business wrote: By contrast I have seen rhymes, emotional blackmail, demands of obvious town play, discussion over the setup and one person pretending to be another person in they hydra. Horrid doesn't come close.
There's more to it than that, but! I do get that he doesn't know the dynamic between most players here; that's pretty obvious. However, the hyperbolic "emotional blackmail" and "demands" is odd regardless.In post 125, Kagura wrote:I didn't, but at the same time, this guy isn't familiar with the interactions in Vesperia between 1) your slot and mine and 2) (probably more relevant) both our slots and Nacho's slot, because that experience is immediately what is coloring my interpretation of your opening and it should occur to you that it would not color his interpretation of it.Tammy wrote:I doubt very very seriously that either head of that hydra viewed my early reach out to them as me "emotionally blackmailing" them.
-b
Which posts would come off scummy? My posts or Mastin's posts?In post 155, The Fox and the Hound wrote:What makes you think so? I don't know the difference, I just know that those posts would come off as scummy to me in a void/if I was naive wrt to the player behind them.In post 147, Titan wrote:OMG. Mastin drew scum again?
I would like as detailed an answer as you're willing to put the time into giving, and I will read games if I have to.
Arthur did talk about that. He was being aggressive with you in hopes that your response would provoke a response in me. (People are not nice and think that my reactions are funny, and I tend to get really obviously town the more frustrated I am.)In post 167, Lord Business wrote:
@ Titan. It was apparent the response from you to me came from different people, but you haven't actually addressed why one of you chose to panic post and declare a need to lynch me and then one of you came in with what appeared to be a an attempt to respond to my issues, albeit in a belittling fashion.
You're abilities to say what feels like Tammy!Town is hereby revoked. I couldn't be more town in this game, and you obviously don't know or are pretending to not know what that looks like.In post 173, mastin2 wrote:Except past games with you is specifically why that post pinged me. It didn't feel like Tammy-town. At all.And I don't believe for one second that she actually believes my first post was emotional blackmail. She's played in enough games with me, as town and as scum, to not even entertain that.
If this is Nati, do better.In post 179, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:I saw me first matey rhymed
So I decided to tried
Mastin's prob town
but their buddying me is sound
so scum they may be
We shall see
I don't know about Titan
I'm kinda frightened
That Athena is back
In which case give 'em the rack!
VOTE: Titan
In post 179, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:I saw me first matey rhymed
So I decided to tried
Mastin's prob town
but their buddying me is sound
so scum they may be
We shall see
I don't know about Titan
I'm kinda frightened
That Athena is back
In which case give 'em the rack!
VOTE: Titan
Hey! Get a better line. Scum!Prohawk already used that against me last game. Try a new scum case on me.In post 187, mastin2 wrote:Except this? Is saying this.In post 180, Titan wrote:. I couldn't be more town in this game, and you obviously don't know or are pretending to not know what that looks like.
Your game this game looks like it's meant to be an imitation of your towngame, rather than an actual towngame.
He's comparing me. And if that's Nati saying that, it's absolute bullshit. I'll give muffin for not being able to read me, but Nati, nope.In post 192, Lord Business wrote:Doesn't self awareness of this fact make the defence null?In post 186, Titan wrote:In post 179, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:I saw me first matey rhymed
So I decided to tried
Mastin's prob town
but their buddying me is sound
so scum they may be
We shall see
I don't know about Titan
I'm kinda frightened
That Athena is back
In which case give 'em the rack!
VOTE: Titan
Like this is fucking bullshit. There is no way no how you are comparing me to that game. I couldn't be more different.
Bullshit mastin bullshit. You were in Tales of Vesperia where the entire scum team came after me and then claimed I was a rampant omguser when I identified their scum motivations. Nacho even accused me of omgusing and thought they were town and he did that to me in Tales of the Abyss as well when my case against scum got dismissed as omgus.In post 202, MastinSSK wrote:See. It's this type of post that I talk about. Just look at this tone. But then there's nothing behind it! Bad, Titan, bad!In post 148, Titan wrote:And no I'm not omgusing before anyone accuses me of that BS. But I do not believe for one second Town!Mastin makes those posts. I just don't.
In post 189, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:the lass's words are curious
I'm gonna consult rquieux
but our vote is like gold
in the hands of the bold
Indeed they were. In fact, that was the first time I tried to imitate my town emotion when scum. I tried to tell people I couldn't fake it, and part of that was me trying and failing miserably to give Nacho what type of reaction he would expect from a town me.In post 225, Lord Business wrote:Found what I was looking for finally. Too many heads mafia. Posts 698 and 750, are they posts from tammy?
Heavy use of AtE, and a very unsportsmanlike use of emotion. I have to agree that the posts here are not anything like that. I would be disappointed to see that kind of tactics used here, felt very underhand.
Why are you interacting with me as much as you are? Have you changed your play style so much in the past year or so that you've ditched your "I don't interact with my scum reads" thing?In post 224, MastinSSK wrote:Actually, me turbotownreading Nacho is a scumtell of me and a sign that he's town. I don't turbotownread him when we're both scum; I let him take the helm on dictating our interactions. Because he's one of the only players who I consider to be a better scum planner than I am. (Where do you think I learned my technique?)In post 222, Titan wrote:Actually I don't like Mastin coming in and just town reading NachoBork as strongly. If Mastin is scum, then there's a good chance that that blatant town read and jump all over me for my first post means that they could be partners.
AND you were in Attack on Titan AND Too Many Heads. Muffin can't really read me. He's the one who became less convinced I was scum in Too Many Heads while Nati was convinced I was scum. In Attack on Titan when Muffin was scum hunting me in the neighborhood and we got into our fight, Nati replaced in saw our interactions and declared me confirmed town and claimed we were now masons.In post 221, MastinSSK wrote:Couple of things here that really just aggrevate me, because I know you can do better to make yourself at least LOOK like town.In post 210, Titan wrote:In post 189, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:the lass's words are curious
I'm gonna consult rquieux
but our vote is like gold
in the hands of the bold
Your vote sucks, and Nati would know that.
But no.
You begin by outright discrediting any reason for a vote that RBD has on you without actually defending yourself. But then it gets even worse, you're doing so by appealing to a head of a hydra. I'm tempted to say buddying, but no. I think it's a come back of Appeal to Authority. You're placing Nat as the only "reasonable" head of the hydra so that you can just discredit any post that they make because you could think it's not Nat.
That's an unreasonable standard to set. Those are reasons I just can't see this being a town post.
In post 234, CarbonFiber wrote:I didn't say anything solid because I don't have any solid reads. Most players are of a caliber that nothing they did so far is unfakable as scum. Cephrir could be scum.In post 231, MastinSSK wrote:So while you describe all of your points in detail, you never really say anything solid. Mind elaborating on who you think are scum at the moment?
~ F-16