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Ok. Tone-wise his short posts are coming off as much more direct to me, and the observations/reactions look more real. In his mid-to-long posts, the phrasing looks almost tortured and his points soemetimes don't build on each other. He's stuck with a small handful of players as far as making observations/foses/whatever which makes me think he's trying not to leave a lot of interactions lying around in the thread for later.-
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I don't remember you asking me that. Our reads in increasing levels of sureness have been posted a few times. I don't think it's difficult to figure out who we think are scum.In post 1914, Varsoon wrote:It's interesting that both sides of 2 didn't say anything when I asked who they thought was scum.
They didn't mind quoting other posts of mine, though.
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dude.In post 1917, Varsoon wrote:Look at post 1868. I screwed up and posted with my main. Quoted it with this account right after.
Look at post 1868. I screwed up and posted with my main. Quoted it with this account right after.
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201 Aj agrees with nacho about svenskt, but his vote is elsewhere - on TD. claims vote reason is bad (because scum wouldn't ever claim miller day 1). evidently bad logic is scummy logic. he also dislikes the reason for unvoting - "huh. interesting".
450 Pushes TD lynch with nothing added in the way of case. Tiphaine made 1 post between 201 and 450. in 271 he voted svenskt. No mention of it.
617 First significantly long post. Here he's taking exception to nacho having a town read on TD. Rehashes original case (with links!) and adds the vote for svenskt (new stuff!). Snarks back about my having asked for a case gripes about thread size.
774 This post seems weird to me. Town reads nacho. doesn't like interactions between orcinus and varsoon. winds up with a scum pile consisting of TD, svenskt, varsoon, and orcinus from most to least strongly scum. Town reads 2, B&B, Nacho, BRO, Andrius, GIF. This gave me a town sense when I first read it because he was disagreeing with one "leader" and FoSing another.
783 dings Orcinus for not keeping his vote on varsoon once they kinda sorted each other out. So...it's bad for orcinus to change his mind?
945 excuses, "I'm not a perfect person" for the post that appeared to draw Nacho's attention "town vs town"
1148 backs off TD. Trajectory is sketchy here. Not clear why the vote change (ironic given his case on TD was in part based on poor explanation fro dropping a vote) Town list now "Bro, Andy, Sajin, GIF, Cabd, B&B, Nacho, Rach (In order of strength", scum: "TMT, Ghost, Mac (motive bad, reasoning good... light scum read), Metal sonic, dntfkingcare, possibly 2." town list is now strongly resembling where it looks like Nacho is headed. Switches vote to TMT.
1199 more dissing Orcinus.
1271 explaining reasons for changing mind on TD. This post gives me some town sense, except for the timing.
1291 More about orcinus ("AtE player"). case on us (mostly me). interesting to read. I'm being more aggressive in this game than in earlier games with this hydra partly because I am a known quantity to so many of the players. my usual role prior to b's coursework taking a lot of time was way more in the background than this game. I thought thre was some trajectory here. It seems to always be after the fact. scum list or vote, then reasons when pressed.
1329 He totally misses the the actual - null read, which was where I was at re Aj then.
1395 back to TMT, and more retroactive reasoning.
1675 Nacho's purge lists are...bad...because they would be followed without analysis/revisit/reality check. This is some screwy logic and the whole post is awkward sounding.
1704 more about the purge list and why it is a bad thing.
1430 case on TMT. wants reasons for TMT's read on him changing.
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His reads started out individual and different from other players at the same time in the thread. he's pushed back at you repeatedly, and has actively dissed Orcinus, who is the other strong voice in the game. I've been reading his reactions to you as town. re orcinus, it seems more like driving a wedge or actively dissing.In post 1945, Nachomamma8 wrote:
a lot of this is summary and not motivation seeking; could you refine that post a little bit?In post 1943, ² wrote:p-edit gah many posts. will look at them later.
The things that stand out to me are that he's had to be pressed each time for reasoning on his votes/read changes. the trajectory is backwards. he's not pushing his votes with reasons.-
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buldermar''s been a strong voice. If anything Aj has pounded on me a couple of times as the weaker link and maybe safer target.In post 1949, Nachomamma8 wrote:What do you think of his interactions with you? I'd certainly call you a strong voice even though we've been hammering at you all game.-
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ok.In post 1957, Nachomamma8 wrote:
We see different things, of course. I was afraid there was something that made him town that I just wasn't seeing, but calling him town for attacking town leaders early isn't necessarily the best thing to do when their reasons are shit. It reminded me of our limited interactions in Fire, and I'm noticing a bit of a smoking gun that I can't really discuss, unfortunately.In post 1954, ² wrote:So the discussion was useful? What did you get from it. I still feel like it's inconclusive. It's the sort of case I would vote on as the clock ticked down if I didn't have a stronger case on someone else in hand.
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grr.In post 1962, fferyllt wrote:It was good mostly. Only thing was the lack of comment on recent stuff. but, holiday weekend.
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hehIn post 1978, Aj The Epic wrote:2 is town. That last discussion with nacho cemented it.Nacho, your points were almost mirrored. Get over it, that read is wrong.
that is not and should not be a point that pushes his read of us townward.
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herds.In post 2004, Aj The Epic wrote:
Isn't it Mollie who always says "Town thinks/moves in groups"? Or something cheesy like that? I personally don't believe it, but hey. Your points were both very similar, but at the same time different in small aspects. You're thinking on the same wavelength as Nacho unless you basically c/p'd the post he had, and I doubt you did that given the comments after.In post 2002, ² wrote:
hehIn post 1978, Aj The Epic wrote:2 is town. That last discussion with nacho cemented it.Nacho, your points were almost mirrored. Get over it, that read is wrong.
that is not and should not be a point that pushes his read of us townward.
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No c/p. But, I think I could get some useful output from my mental model of town-Nacho.
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The family is doing great. Unfortunately he's deliriously happy to get 4 solid hours of sleep in a night, because it doesn't happen very often at all.In post 2014, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:how is he btw? tell him I said hi
I already understood the concept when he took me on but he kind of showed me how to see it in a game.
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Someone who helped teach us both how to play mafia. I think the lessons helped Mollie more than me. I had already grown a real weed of a scumhunting approach before he got hold of me.In post 2017, RachMarie wrote:uhh I presume that is someone from another site that you two know?
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I know I've been away for some pages, but I'm going to catch up with posts now.In post 1914, Varsoon wrote:It's interesting that both sides of 2 didn't say anything when I asked who they thought was scum.
They didn't mind quoting other posts of mine, though.
There are two possibilities with respect to why I didn't answer it. Either I felt like I had already stated who my scum reads were prior to your question (the most likely explanation), or I simply didn't notice the question.
I'll have to catch up with the game now and talk to f about reads but then I'll try to remember to make a post containing my reads.
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It's a somewhat important term in developmental psychology too. I've used it in one of my papers ;DIn post 1923, Nachomamma8 wrote:you said that word and i loved it because it explains so much
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Metal, could you give explanations for your reads? From reading your posts I'm under the impression that they are made up ad hoc merely to give others the impression that you're active and that you're reading the thread when you actually aren't.In post 1925, Metal Sonic wrote:andrius town
broseidon leaning town
ghoslin leaning town
2, nacho varsoon cabd strong town
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This does look town-motivated. TD was also the one noticing Metal's infamous 1-min read IIRC. Will talk this over with f.In post 1930, TiphaineDeath wrote:Third paragraph of 1785 is a scum claim.
He's making himself sound unthreatnening, pandering to town interest, after forgetting that his counterpart claimed tracker/miller he is now making sure that all take notice. There is just so much subtle deflection in this post it does the opposite for me.
The paragraphs above are saying wifom is ok and not a big deal while at the same time inspiring a whole load of it is also bad. These kind of tactics are the same i often use as scum to great effect, thus I can spot them.
"happy to try" "Prove my alignment" "curious" these words are still in the, "look at me I am a happy team playing townie" vein of speech. While maintaining the stance that he's not angry at anyone who thinks he is scum.
1793 is more of the same.
"Simply hoping you'd save me the bother"
"form my own read"
Every word out of this mans mouth is trying so damned hard to be town he cannot possibly be.
I am completely certain that MS is scum, however given that no on else is I'll lift my vote on him to vote reverend, I maintain that anytime anyone wants to vote ms I'll be right there with them.
UNVOTE:
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You were probably right about him -_-.In post 1932, Nachomamma8 wrote:And let's talk about TD some more because his recent posts are really really town even though I don't necessarily agree with them.
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What do you mean with the bolded part?In post 1934, TheReverend wrote:Nah I'm not self voting. You're wrong TD.You'll see my flip soon enough.
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Could you elaborate on the supposed lack of opportunism? What I see is a whole bunch of arbitrary reads thrown out there to make us think he's actually reading the thread. I think he'd do this every time he's scum and sometimes when he's town.In post 1944, Nachomamma8 wrote:Sort of liked this post because it was a connect with someone else who trolls around a lot.
In post 757, Metal Sonic wrote:nacho town
freezerguy town
orc town
vassoon town
beautybeast town
mac town
tiphaine scum
sven trollIn post 1153, Metal Sonic wrote:varsoon still town
cabd quite town
ghostlin leaning town
rach town
sajin leaning town
aj the epic leaning scum
broseidon leaning scum too i guessIn post 1388, Metal Sonic wrote:I'll give reasons after the posting dies down. 50 pages(1000+ posts) in 72 hours, please no its torturous
2 getting scummier
aj leaning town now
ghostlin town
mac stil town
reverend a+ slip contradiction strong
beast leaning town
andrius town
also good luck with reading john or whoever had to read 50 pages
cabd and guy in freezer very town right nowIn post 1394, Metal Sonic wrote:ok i just iso'd tiphaine
except for #901
the rest of his posts are shit
yep scum
VOTE: TiphaineDeath
What I see here is a blatant, blatant lack of opportunism. I think scum in Ms's position would be a *tiny* bit opportunistic, but nope.In post 1925, Metal Sonic wrote:andrius town
broseidon leaning town
ghoslin leaning town
2, nacho varsoon cabd strong town
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Why is complaining about the pace of the game alignment indicative? The only thing I can think of is that scum metal perhaps would not do the complaining when he's also faking reads because that would create attention on the fact that he's faking his reads, but that's really stretching it.In post 1946, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 757, Metal Sonic wrote:I skimmed the whole 700 page of wallIn post 1153, Metal Sonic wrote:god damn 16 pages in 8 hoursIn post 1388, Metal Sonic wrote:I'll give reasons after the posting dies down. 50 pages(1000+ posts) in 72 hours, please no its torturousThis is definitely the feel of a townie who is struggling to keep up with the thread. I can see scumSonic left behind in thread and annoyed about it, but I'd expect him to use being behind as a bit of an excuse, but he hasn't at all ever. He just complains because the game goes too fast.
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From what I can tell, there is a lot of thought behind this post. I havn't been paying close attention to f and Nacho's talk regarding AJ, but he'd have to be a really good scum player for this to not be town-indicative in my opinion.In post 1978, Aj The Epic wrote:I'm not going after you, though. If Nacho continues to believe your scum, he has some reading to do yet.
If Nacho remembers, the reason I got a hydra with him in the first place is because I have issues in large games. This is how I play large games, I try to find one or two people and go from there because I can't manage all 20 in my head. This is why I'm going after one at a time. In a 9 player game, i can find scum easily because I have an easier working to go through. I think in pictures and visuals so generally I look for a web of connections. That's a challenge in a 20 player game. (And it doesn't work when half the game is quiet). That's why I tunnel.
Bro, you skimming or scum? You missed a ton of points I expected you to find and hit recently. (This is what separates Andrius to Bro... Andrius is actually catching the main points).
2 is town. That last discussion with nacho cemented it. Nacho, your points were almost mirrored. Get over it, that read is wrong.
TmT is scum. Everyone knows it.
MS is still not useful if not scum. He needs to at least admit to not reading anything.
Actually, Rach is more town than anything to me. One thing I notice from a lot of games is scum wait until their target posts to vote for the target player. Rach didn't do that, which suggests a more certain freedom in action. That's more town than anything else.
(It's pretty obvious that some of Nacho's town reads are right, including Cabd, Mac)
B&B is town. The 'empathetic mollie' does not exist here. That alone is enough, but they've also got a good synergy and their reads generally seem to add up to what the other thinks. Synergy in a hydra is a towntell especially when posting independently because it means they're actually looking.
Varsoon can drop back down the ladder again. He wants me to be scum, is unhappy with my play, but sheeped me on my first post. He still hasn't played all that solid and he almost drew in Rev to be modkilled.
I like Ghostlin. I don't know what problem you guys have with him, but his posts play better than a lot of people's posting. They've gotten better, are more in touch, and he also agrees with me on TmT (which is, of course, immediate town points).
Sajin is town, has been that way forever.
This is what leads me to believe that scum is simply lurking. Bro, TmT (Both my major scum reads) are lurking. This is a common theme for many not on my list. Lurking. It's not the people posting (but perhaps Varsoon) that are scum so much as those who can't post anything worth reading.
He is very wary of what's going on as evident by many of his reads. The explanation for why he's tunneling is also one I can relate to; I do a similar thing when I play in larger games. I tend to only pay attention to a handful of people and then work my way through the pool as the game progress and I get more strong reads.
He noticed that Bro isn'treallyreading the thread, which is a lot of work to do to get some town cred if you're a scum who just wants to identify easy targets for a mislynch.
He seems to have looked into the details of the conversation between f and Nacho regarding him.
I agree with his read regarding MS (either not useful or scum, and certainly not reading anything).
He also locks some town reads (i.e. Cabd and Mac) which I think most scum players in his position wouldn't do.
His view of Varsoon is very much in line with mine in that I'm not convinced Varsoon is town. I don't think him almost drawing Rev to be modkilled is alignment-indicative, though, and if it is it probably is more likely to suggest that he's town than scum.
In summary: I don't know what conclusion f and Nacho reached, but I think that for AJ to be scum he'd have to be a really, really dedicated and deliberate scum player.
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Mac, why are you reading us as scum again? I've put aside my emotions and frustration and will do my best to walk you through any thought process related to posts that you think are scum indicative.In post 1991, Mac wrote:you & 2 are my strong scumreads.
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This underlines my previous statement regarding AJ paying closely attention to the content of posts.In post 2004, Aj The Epic wrote:
Isn't it Mollie who always says "Town thinks/moves in groups"? Or something cheesy like that? I personally don't believe it, but hey. Your points were both very similar, but at the same time different in small aspects. You're thinking on the same wavelength as Nacho unless you basically c/p'd the post he had, and I doubt you did that given the comments after.In post 2002, ² wrote:
hehIn post 1978, Aj The Epic wrote:2 is town. That last discussion with nacho cemented it.Nacho, your points were almost mirrored. Get over it, that read is wrong.
that is not and should not be a point that pushes his read of us townward.
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Could you explain this a bit more?In post 2008, TheReverend wrote:I'm reading varsoon's ISO and I'd like to rephrase that last comment...
varsoon is scum and it's obvious as shit.
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I find the 3rd last and last quote of post 675 to be the most convincing, but I'm not entirely sold. His play style reminds me of a style a guy in my very first game played. I thought he was scum and mistakingly pushed his lynch.
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This is what I pointed out earlier when commenting on AJ's wall-post fwiw.In post 2018, ² wrote:but, that hilarious plan to post role PMs for comparison was...wow. hard to see that coming out of a scum team.
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I expect others will be asking you about this in the subsequent posts.In post 2036, TiphaineDeath wrote:Wow, just wow.
vote varsoon
I hereby formally apologize rev, I think I was wrong about you.
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Rev, would you not agree that his shift to varsoon could also be an opportunistic one? I didn't like the "Wow, just wow" comment, it didn't look particularly sincere to me.In post 2039, TheReverend wrote:I have TD as town because his attack at me felt genuine. He might just have fooled me, sure, but I'm sticking with him in town pile for now, especially with his shift to varsoon
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This is how I feel about it and it hurts deep inside what I told Nacho wrt TD some posts ago.
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He's way more dedicated to this game than what I'm used to. How far are you in your read?In post 2058, Keybladewielder wrote:Haven't paid much attention to Orc or 2,, but Nacho literally always plays the same from what Ive seen. So nulln o him
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How do you read Metal?In post 2081, Varsoon wrote:KEYBLADEWIELDER: I'd like to know who you think is definitely scum, and WHY.
Furthermore, if you could provide explained reads (maybe a sentence or two each) for every player in this game, I'll believe that you've caught up.
Otherwise, you come off to me as scum trying to go under the radar.
And I don't like scum who fly under my radar.
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Nvm that.In post 2083, Varsoon wrote:I'd like to know the same from you. Your posts have been pretty light on content up to this point and I feel like you've got a very powerful few points to make, but that a lot of players doubt you/put you in scum piles based on the content and articulation of what you've posted so far. Could you please explain your current scum-reads, and let us know who you think is definitely/most likely town. Also, if you have any questions for me, this is a good time to pitch them, as we're both online.
Ultimately, I feel like you could be town, but I want to hear a lot more from you before I can verify that. You've been playing a somewhat shy hand so far, and if you're gonna be town, you gotta expose yourself and open up.
Why in particular do you find metal likely to be town when he has done exactly what you would otherwise find scummy from someone else?
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It's spelled "Buldermar", but I'm getting used to few being able to spell it correctly.In post 2092, Varsoon wrote:Buildermar (hope that's spelled right)
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Alright. You asked me before what it is that I find anti-town. This is an example of something that I consider inherently anti-town (mollie, pay attention to this as well because you wanted me to examplify). It should be evident why it's anti-town from the explanation you just gave me.In post 2167, TheReverend wrote:I mean what it says. I don't expect to be alive in this game for long. I was lazily defending vs TD, the "you'll see you're wrong soon" defence. I can't be btohered to fight my corner to be honest, I feel my time is better spent trying to scumhunt.
Anyway, it's not that important, just felt like pointing it out.
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It's not a fluffy question; I wanted to know why you thought it was obvious that he's scum. You later gave an explanation in a wall of quotes, and I only found a few of them scummy.In post 2167, TheReverend wrote:More fluffy questions. Again, it means exactly what it implies. I think varsoon is scum, I ISO him, as I read through, my scumread strengthens significantly. The language he uses. The manner in which he attacks people, and defends himself. The relentless townclaims. The shrugging off of awkward questions. Why don't you read his ISO and see if it becomes obvious to you?
I couldn't deduce all of the things you just told me now from that post either. I think his language, the manner in which he attacks people and defends himself, and the relentless townclaims could all come from town. I mentioned that I played a game (my very first game ever) with a guy whose style is like this. I can link you if you want to see an example of it coming from town.
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I had not read your post in its entirety prior to posing the question. I didn't understand the "especially with his shift to varsoon" part in particular because it's specifically his shift to varsoon that could be considered opportunistic.In post 2174, TheReverend wrote:In post 2171, ² wrote:
Rev, would you not agree that his shift to varsoon could also be an opportunistic one? I didn't like the "Wow, just wow" comment, it didn't look particularly sincere to me.In post 2039, TheReverend wrote:I have TD as town because his attack at me felt genuine. He might just have fooled me, sure, but I'm sticking with him in town pile for now, especially with his shift to varsoon
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The answer to your question is in the post of mine you quoted. I can't help feel your trying very hard to make it look like you're probing.In post 2039, TheReverend wrote:Cabd, you think TD is bussing varsoon here? I'd be more inclined to look at TD in the event of a varsoon town flip, though tbh I'd expect to die very fast if that were to happen. I have TD as town because his attack at me felt genuine. He might just have fooled me, sure, but I'm sticking with him in town pile for now, especially with his shift to varsoon. But if varsoon were to flip town, his vote would then be very opportunistic, and would rightly deserve scrutiny.
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Thank you for wishing me the best. I just finished my first paper yesterday (in developmental psychology). Two left: cognitive neuroscience and work and organizational psychology.In post 2179, Mac wrote:
okay so I had a shot at you for tentative reads which was obviously a mistake given your current situation but I feel ff is being extremely cautious for reads, something which is pretty unlike her I'd say. I called her out in pj for this & a fencesitting attitude she had developed and she was indie. I can see similarities between this and pj in that ff (and, to an extent, yourself) had developed no strong reads in around 60 pages. it just feels off: obviously you have your exams situation (i wish you all the best for them) but I don't think there are any excuses for f being cautious. if anything, until you are back in business, I feel like she should become the more aggressive head imo. but that's entirely your choice as a hydra, not my call.In post 2164, ² wrote:
Mac, why are you reading us as scum again? I've put aside my emotions and frustration and will do my best to walk you through any thought process related to posts that you think are scum indicative.In post 1991, Mac wrote:you & 2 are my strong scumreads.
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I think you're being both unfair and immature. I only recall making one post that I didn't think was particularly important. Could you please quote every single post you think is extraneous? You're trying to paint me for something you know I'm not just to get your wagon going, which is anti-town. I'm also offended that you think I'd deliberately spam the thread to my advantage - something you know I consider quite unethical, similar to deliberately trying to get certain players mod-killed or deliberately pretending to be busy IRL when you're not.In post 2185, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:rev, mac
what 2 is doing right now is spam posting and burying good content with shit posts so that when orc comes back from v/la, andy checks back in, sajin pops i, nacho comes back they will have wade through pages and pages and try to keep track of relevant points. rev you have direct experience of scum doing this, this is what uber goober did in posh and everyone for some god knows reason had him as town for it. do you understand now why I wanted uber goober lynched so bad? it is a subtle way for scum to try to undermine the control that town has in the game. and trust me, town is in control.
so stop helping him do this okay?
both of you keep your eyes on me and stay focused
2 do you think you could pretend to be town for 5 minutes and stop posting
I'm expecting you to show the post that are extraneous and will be accepting your subsequent apology for suggesting that I'm spamming deliberately to make the thread impossible to read.-
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I've just talked to f for some time and we worked out this combined/total reads list:
2. Aj The Epic: f would settle for a lynch of him, but prefers TMT or TD. f also ended up agreeing with Nacho on most of his points in his case, but doesn't feel like it's a super strong case (I havn't read it). I personally think he'd have to be a really strong scum player to play this way as scum, because he's paying attention to a lot of subtle things that couldn't come from figuring out whose mislynch to push.
3. Andrius: painfully town in f's opinion (which I sheep).
4. BeautyAndTheBeast (Majiffy + pirate mollie): obvtown for both of us.
5. BROseidon: f reads him as town for meta reasons. I'm not as convinced but I'll trust it.
6. Cabd: We both think he's town; f is weighting in Nacho's opinion as well.
7. dntfkingcare: null
8. Ghostlin: f is leaning town and liked the progression of his questions.
9. GuyInFreezer: town
10. Keybladewielder/jon_h61: null, but f thinks his reads sucks (and I think he's not reading at all)
11. Mac: town
12. Metal Sonic: I'm leaning scum
13. orcinus_theoriginal: town
14. RachMarie: neither of us can read her
15. Sajin: leaning town (f's read)
16. TheReverend/Svenskt Stål: town
17. Nachomamma8: town
18. TiphaineDeath: scum
19. TMTOLBTWNTOF: scum
20. Varsoon: I don't know but f thinks town. Also, if there is daychat for scum, that essentially confirms him as town because of him not being stopped prior to attempting his gambit (we don't think it could have been fabricated deliberately).-
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I'm around.In post 2183, ² wrote:
Thank you for wishing me the best. I just finished my first paper yesterday (in developmental psychology). Two left: cognitive neuroscience and work and organizational psychology.In post 2179, Mac wrote:
okay so I had a shot at you for tentative reads which was obviously a mistake given your current situation but I feel ff is being extremely cautious for reads, something which is pretty unlike her I'd say. I called her out in pj for this & a fencesitting attitude she had developed and she was indie. I can see similarities between this and pj in that ff (and, to an extent, yourself) had developed no strong reads in around 60 pages. it just feels off: obviously you have your exams situation (i wish you all the best for them) but I don't think there are any excuses for f being cautious. if anything, until you are back in business, I feel like she should become the more aggressive head imo. but that's entirely your choice as a hydra, not my call.In post 2164, ² wrote:
Mac, why are you reading us as scum again? I've put aside my emotions and frustration and will do my best to walk you through any thought process related to posts that you think are scum indicative.In post 1991, Mac wrote:you & 2 are my strong scumreads.
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I can't really respond for f though, so I guess this is something you and her will have to discuss.
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Well why don't you ask him of his opinion, then?In post 2194, pirate mollie wrote:
he was pretty dedicated in pjIn post 2175, ² wrote:
He's way more dedicated to this game than what I'm used to. How far are you in your read?In post 2058, Keybladewielder wrote:Haven't paid much attention to Orc or 2,, but Nacho literally always plays the same from what Ive seen. So nulln o him
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I actually think it especially matters this early on. Multiball allows for scum to do legitimate scum hunting, which in turn makes it more difficult for town to identify scum.In post 2212, Andrius wrote:
I could see it going either way, not like it matters this early on.In post 2209, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:I also strongly feel this is multiball. Mollie is still unsure.
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I'm pretty sure f would have picked up on Nacho being a SK and I feel like I would too.In post 2218, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:If an SK exists, it's Nacho. But Nacho seems pretty towny, so I'm leaning towards two teams of 3.
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Your personal experience may not translate very well that of others. I wouldn't say that multiball is standard here, but it is not unheard of.In post 2223, Cabd wrote:Personal modding experience on sites not named mafiascum.
Usually 20 man games are 5/15 (or 4/16 if scum has super good power roles) from everything I've seen before.
But like I said, I'm much newer to the site than the rest of you, for all I know multiball is the standard here. From a mod POV I just find multiball so hard to balance properly, it's a nightmare.
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Show me an example of a game in which you pretended to have read pages you didn't actually read and made up reads you couldn't actually have had at the time as town.In post 2233, Metal Sonic wrote:i just have a message for 2
buldermar, please dont be prejudiced and denounce me scum
even your partner does not have such strong feelings, ffery could you help me a bit here to explain to b thanks
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If an SK exists, it isn't Nacho, which is what you suggested. Why should I read the second sentence when it's not relevant?In post 2243, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:You should read the second sentence you quoted there.
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Please don't interfere with my scumhunting.In post 2243, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:Are you admitting that you actively lied about reading? Because that's what this looks like.
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No, because Nacho can't simultanously be SK and town.
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No, I'm serious. You are essentially telling him "don't admit to this, it will look scummy". Is it a problem that I am having a conversation with Metal that you are not a part of?In post 2246, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:Are you fucking kidding me right now with this?
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