Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[GreyICE]

Has this been open three days?

Ye fucking gods.

-_-

Duplicity, Magna/Magua, Glork, what's the justice wagons?

[GreyICE]

What is this, WallMart?

[GreyICE]

What is this, WallMart?

yes

Low quality goods in great quantity?

Can you reverse that for me plox

[GreyICE]

We're out of RVS imo.

Alchemist, what the fuck is this shit?

What use is it to announce that we're out of RVS? Especially with no real conclusions drawn from this? What did you learn from the RVS phase?

[GreyICE]

@grey

I like ending RVS and being out of it as soon as possible. You may not think its of any use for me to say it, but I think it discourages more random votes, which is bad for the health of the game. Also, I was prompted by Ludi "And by the way, do you think there has been voteable serious content in this thread yet, or not?" Not seeing why I have to draw conclusions from RVS in order for me to say its over. Of course everyone is going to have a different definition of when exactly its going to be over, the line isn't a thin red one but a big fat grey one starting at those first initial RVS posts and ending somewhere around p4.

You confuse me.

I kill things that confuse me.

[GreyICE]

Grey: Read 430, 436, 437, 448, and then vote Toasty.

Okay, yeah, his top 3 suspicions are the top 3 people being wagoned, and he's doing these useless walls of content that don't contain anything.

I'd hang him for #555 where he literally posts an entire wall with no content though.

Vote: ToastyToast

[GreyICE]

Whats confusing bro

Words. Mark Twain has a famous quote, "don't use a five-dollar word when a fifty-cent word will do."

You like $50 paragraphs in place of $0.50 words.

[GreyICE]

@GI

Who's scum bro?

Who am I voting, bro?

[GreyICE]

You can all thank me later

Aether: Tierce

[GreyICE]

@GI

Who's scum bro?

Who am I voting, bro?

Hi guys, this is called blind wagoning. It's..it won a few mafia games a few years back, but not by this dude.

GreyICE, you are just...just woeful.

Unvote, Vote: GreyICE

. For being scum by defending this "vote".

Really?

'cause I'm not blind wagoning, and I'm following Glork.

Which is generally not the dumbest thing ever to do, especially if you don't have strong reads.

So you have a strong town read on Toasty, yes?

[GreyICE]

@GI

Who's scum bro?

Who am I voting, bro?

Hi guys, this is called blind wagoning. It's..it won a few mafia games a few years back, but not by this dude.

GreyICE, you are just...just woeful.

Unvote, Vote: GreyICE

. For being scum by defending this "vote".

Really?

'cause I'm not blind wagoning, and I'm following Glork.

Which is generally not the dumbest thing ever to do, especially if you don't have strong reads.

So you have a strong town read on Toasty, yes?

[GreyICE]

This is the best fake dayvig ever ^_^



Will get around to ISOing those people, Reg.

[GreyICE]

Just ISO'd OS.

If that vig is true then I'd be fine with stringing him up looks terrible.

Tierce whats your read on magnamagua? I don't like the one post of theirs I see already.

Unvote
Vote: Katsuki

Fucking die ScumKats

[GreyICE]

It wasn't useless. I responded to every persons questions and more. So, I basically did exactly what was asked of me. "Oh, HOW USELESS!" Fuck you.

But what sort of responses were these?

Hm. I'd say singer's Tammy vote drama is just as bad as UN's. If she keeps up with the excuses and the Scotland thing, red lights. start caring or I'm going to assume there's another reason you don't care.

i don't really get where all the Ludi hate is coming from.

Again, I'm going to vote for people I find suspicious over people I don't have an opinion on, especially when its my first post of the game. In addition, all three of them were at like L-9, which is hardly a wagon. People who have votes on them are going to attract more attention than people without them for anyone who's trying to catch up 8 pages and get their first vote in.

How does an unprompted soft-claim make someone obvtown? How does her reaction make her obvtown?

BlahBlahBlah meta blah blah omg paranoia mafia blah

Agree with UN that most of the Alchemist votes are lazy

Content

THIS DOES NOT CONTAIN ANY

[GreyICE]

No this is town MoI

I get to call town MoI and this is town MoI

[GreyICE]

Kats would also lynch UN.

I can sympathize with this attitude.

Kats is actually looking at the more recent stuff and trying to make up his mind.

ScumKats would continue sheeping without bothering to give further analysis.

Back off Grey I mean seriously look at things Kats is actually playing ball here.

Kats plays ball as scum.

It's just shitty paddle ball where he tries to get morons and people the town dislikes lynched.

Also he's not said a damn thing about the fact Fate is here, and that's odd. Fate would scream at Kats all day, but Scum-Kats runs and hides from Town-Fate.

[GreyICE]

PEdit: GREY. EYES ON THE PRIZE. LET'S EAT THE TOAST FOR GALLOWSDINNER.

Am semi down with this comment.

But seriously that Kats post...

-_-

[GreyICE]

Oversoul + GI

Unvote, Vote: Oversoul

Like seriously

What is going on

Can we lynch this

[GreyICE]

I'm Batman

[GreyICE]

I don't post cases~

[GreyICE]

Tierce, I am getting zero enjoyment out of what is supposed to be a

game

that we

play

for

fun

.

None. Whatsoever. All I feel is sadness and disappointment and seething anger. I'm tired of not being able to read people's posts and believe that allegedly protown players behave in a manner which is in the best interests of the town as a whole. I'm tired of getting pissed off at people for making terrible plays and bad gambits and fakeclaims in literally every fucking game I'm in. Of the four games I've been in since I came back, three of them had players fakeclaiming (MLP, WINvitational, Blood Bowl). Town lost all three of those. One game did not (League). Town won that one.

And yet any time the word 'policy' comes up, people shit all over that concept and say stupid stuff like "You're not playing to your win condition if you policy lynch," when it's the awful players who put their own wants/interests above those of the town, because they think it's cool or effective or *something* when all it does is hurt the town's chances of winning.

Oversoul has hurt us. And in doing so, he's made me realize that I simply don't like whatever mafiascum has become. And it's not going away. So I want to go away. And I wish to god I could talk about how I feel to anyone outside of the thread, but I can't, because it's all derived from something that happened in this game, and that frustrates the living hell out of me.


I'm going to give myself at least 24 hours to think about it. I may wind up replacing out. I don't know yet. All I know is that the last ten pages, and my entire afternoon, has not been fun, and that completely defeats the purpose of being here playing these games.

In fairness the only thing I fakeclaimed in bloodbowl was to have a different flavor of bulletproof than I had. And it changed nothing, because we would have fucking won that game if SCUM DIDN'T HAVE A VIGILANTE

[GreyICE]

I swear unto god
If this turns into the wild and wacky UberNinja and Glork show
I'm throwing bricks

[GreyICE]

UN, Glork already unvoted and I believe his frustration to be sincere. It seems to be going a bit far as scum if he's faking it, and this isn't even mentioning the claims. Glork is pretty obvtown. Melodramatic or not, he's obviously not having fun right now and you can't berate him for wanting to think it over.

And good, now that Oversoul isn't getting wagoned put some votes on the people that need them-Ludi/Implosion are the ones that immediately come to mind.

-Shift

I dunno, I don't have a strong scum read on Ludi. His last infinity posts have been in this thread, and I get the feeling he's overwhelmed and sticking to his 2 targets (Alchemist and Tammy) and trying to get good reads on them.

Implosion is a good lurker wagon, but hey, you know who else hasn't posted much? Katsuki! And Katsuki is scum!

Join justice

[GreyICE]

I was gonna start catching up on this game, and then I read Oman's recent posting and that's just put me in a bad mood.

So, I'm just going to leave this until tomorrow. I get the feeling that people aren't going to be up for lynching Uber!scum today, so my next post should comprise the remainder of my reads.

Hmmm

Okay, I know I'm uber's biggest proponent.

But you sure he's scum here honey?

[GreyICE]

Implosion is a good lurker wagon, but hey, you know who else hasn't posted much? Katsuki! And Katsuki is scum!
Join justice

I would include you right up in the "I haven't posted much" group. And you complain that I'm not providing content. sheesh.

You've provided lots of words. You're light on content.

Words are not content, content is not words, and your posts have been a lot of vague justifications, cheerleading, and general 'running commentary,' with no real concrete reasoning or thought process.



Oversoul, listen to Uber.

[GreyICE]

Is Tammy pushing a Tierce lynch?

DA FUQ?

Please someone actual dayvig Zdenek.

Katsuki still needs death.

[GreyICE]

Uh no. What gave you that idea?

#938, where you outright state it.

[GreyICE]

Really, I do. Please point out the words to me in 938 where I state that I want Tierce lynched (Hint: You can't it's not there.) In fact, I've already stated that I think Tierce is town. Post 938 is me expressing my frustration over the "I'm obvtown" non stop statements which make me doubt her town status. It doesn't mean she's scum, and I understand that she might do this as town, but it doesn't help with me believing in her alignment.

You need to read better.

I'm sorry I misunderstood you saying that you wanted Tierce to die as you thinking that Tierce should die.

Sarcasm, I think it does not work in this medium.


Now WHY AM I THE ONLY FUCKING VOTE ON KATSUKI?

KATSUKI NEEDS DEATH

[GreyICE]

-_-

I remember it as a long screed against Tierce, and it... pretty much is. I'm sorry you take issue with my specific wording.

Now that the Grammar Nazi shit is done, vote Katsuki. MoI has actually done things. Look over the ISO! Actual content!

Katsuki is doing shit again, except insisting that I'd totally read her as town if I were town. Which is basically him trying to bribe me to back off of him.

[GreyICE]

Also lol tierce I don't need another player on this site who can read me reliably. = =

Her analysis of my play on the last page is complete truth though XD

Or are you claiming I don't read you reliably all of a sudden, Katsuki?

Because I think I have you dead to rights here.

I can follow it right now.

QT: "Grey is such a derp, dammit I wanna lurk more!"
"I'll call Grey scum, maybe if he gets votes no one will listen to him! Don't all pile on, wait for some idiot townies first."
"Hehe, I love cupcakes"
"Oh god I post 20x more in quicktopics than I do in the actual game"
"What's going on, blah blah oversoul blah blah Tierce lol I'm not actually reading this game"
"lol@Tammy like I actually read any of those walls"
"Oh god I'm not reading any of my scumbuddies either you guys are good right? Don't get lynched it's good. It's good"
"LOL CUPCAKES"
"HAHA GREY HAS A TON OF VOTES AND NO ONE IS VOTING FOR ME, VICTORY"


YEAH THAT'S RIGHT BITCH

I CAN READ YOUR QUICKTOPIC

AIN'T THAT COOL

[GreyICE]

Shmugen, all Dayvigs are fake. Always. Seriously, always.

Anyway, what do you think of the theory that newer posters replacing into a scum slot are try-hard in their attempts to look town, and tend to make long wall posts, but end up having a low content to word ratio (aka a lot of null reads).

Do you think your summaries of TSH, Haze, Katsuki, Ludi, Nexus, Nikanor, or Oman added anything to this game?

If not, why did you post them?

[GreyICE]

vote: MaguaofIllusion

I find it really unusual that Grey and LLD are not being their usual selves and raging up the thread at all this derp. The fact that it's mutual might actually be better for them?

YO GREY. WHERE'S YOUR GIRLFRIEND AND WHY ISN'T SHE POSTING ANYTHING.

Why am I not posting anything?

Because every fucking time I come back to this fucking thread.

All I find.

ALL. I. FUCKING. FIND.

Is negative disparaging comments towards either myself or Grey.

And Grey doesn't care. He doesn't give two shits what you think about him.

I happen to give two shits. And I can't post in this game when all I see is this shit. I'm reading along, but I can't post.

Anything I post at this point is just going to turn into me raging at the people who I am upset at. Totally worthless.

So when will I post something decent? When I come into the thread and catch up, and along my catch up I'm not confronted with posts that upset me.

(tl;dr: I'm upset, I hate most of you right now)

You know sweetie, I think you're raging at the wrong game. This one is actually, so far, fairly decent.

Which is not to say that it's not full of dinks, but it's overall a lot better than normal. We don't have PeregrineV, RedFF, TheStatusQuo, DrMyShotgun/Shotty, Nero Cain, really we have a surprising lack of true shitposters and useless assholes, and the quality of moron we're getting is much higher! ... And this is the game that results. Yeah, you may have put your finger on something fundamentally shitty about this site.

Anyway, less rage, more voting Katsuki dear~

[GreyICE]

Hey Tammy.

Crazy ass Vi game

24 motherfuckers to mow through

Unlikely to be one scum team

Discuss.

[GreyICE]

Disagree vehemently.

FoS: Grey

Uh, Glork, if there's one scum team, even if there's 6 scum in it, its 8 mislynches to LyLo (we seriously have 29 dear lord). More realistically, regardless of the outcome, 10+ days seems highly likely.

There's a reason two scum teams and a vig is standard for large games, and this being a Vi game I can't imagine it will be light on kills. You really think we're going to whittle down the scumteam for like a dozen days here?

Nah, there's gonna be multiple antitown factions. Look how many people are vaguely scumhunting but mostly keeping their head down. Some of them are scum who don't feel like getting cross killed.

Like katsuki.

Who you SHOULD be voting.

[GreyICE]

21. GreyICE: Never know what flavor of GreyIce I’m going to get in a game. He seems to be like VOTE KATSUKI every fucking post. Guess what? Saying that is ineffective, and

I believe I already attacked others as to why it's a scummy thing to do.

I’d say he comes up on the lower end with his banter with katsuki.
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11. Katsuki: Nothing I can say about this slot that hasn’t been said already. I have more problems with the other lurkers, but that doesn’t make his play right.

short version (for the long-post challenged

Scum (scummiest-->w): DDD, implosion, quilford, schmugen, GreyIce, LLD, (Tierce--special)
Middletown (nulliest-->leaning town) singer, MoI, UN, (Nexus, Oman, Nikanor, TSH--same grp), dramonic, Wyrd, Ludi,
Town(townies-->Sheepable) Hindu, SpyreX, Tammy, Duplicity, Alchemist, Glork, Haze, Oversoul, Zdeneck

Yeah, lemme explain something to you.

I replaced in because I got a PM saying 'Mafia Behind the Maiden could use a replacement and LLD is playing in it, come join!'

I offered to replace in Saturday, with the caveat that I was driving back from vacation all of Sunday, and had a job interview monday morning, so wouldn't be posting until monday afternoon.

I got the job and they needed me to start immediately. So yeah, I expected to have about 1 billion times more time than I've had. I'm moderating one game and in two games, and my time on this site the priority goes to the game I'm moderating. I read this game when I can - and the endless walls don't help (I'm even farther behind on the other game, if it's any consolation). So fuck you if you think I'm lurking. I worked friggin six hours on my Saturday, and what do I do when I get home? Read this game.


Now, Toasty, you're going to reconcile the above for me. In order:

1) Attacking Katsuki is scummy
2) Katsuki's play is terrible awful
3) You failed to stick Katsuki anywhere in the town scum list.

So where does Kats go? If attacking him is awful, I'd expect strong town, so why is he there? If he's somewhere else, why is attacking him awful?

[GreyICE]

Toasty's a bad lynch, guys. He's stepping up his game to a more-than-acceptable level.

A few pages ago, Glork wrote:

Grey: Read 430, 436, 437, 448, and then vote Toasty.

A little while ago, Glork wrote:

Toasty... I don't know. I hate his suspicions and "null" on like everything else, but once I kicked his ass a little, he actually started to do something.

Soooo... basically you were trying to get me to vote a pressure vote because having the top 3 wagons as scum reads is shitty?

Because dude, he still has Tierce as a scum read, and you're not telling me that someone reading this game should have Tierce as a scum read.

[GreyICE]

Ludi is town

Fate is probs town, though I'd feel better if that dick Nuwen was posting

Scum be lurkin, yo.

This is probably true.


I posit that in any game above, like... 22-24 players, any vigilante is required to vig people who are in the bottom-quarter of posters. Hippos, Haze, Oman, implosion... all of them can eat a bullet.

The cutoff is at DDD for a reason, I assume.

I disliked the fakevig reaction because 1)I thought it was unecessarily overaggressive 2) seemed like a poor sport, which I associate with upset scum over upset town 3)the whole obvtown thing spiked up here. In other games I have been in, a fakevig may piss town off, but not to the point of bullying or loss of all logic.

This reasoning is total horseshit, but at least there's some reason Tierce is still scummy.

...

Apparently town doesn't get pissed and rage.

...

[GreyICE]

Okay, after reading the last few pages, I've come to an important decision. My vote has a target it really needs to be on.

Vote: Katsuki

I SWEAR UNTO GOD WHY IS HE TOWN

SOMEONE BETTER GIVE ME REASONS

[GreyICE]

Role PM etc.

...

YOUR QUICKTOPIC IS NOTHING BUT RANDOM BULLSHIT AND CUPCAKE JOKES AGAIN, ISN'T IT?

I CAN READ YOU KATSUKI

[GreyICE]

unvote, Vote: MOI

unvote

Vote: Katsuki

[GreyICE]

So, GreyIce, why is Katsuki scum?

Pretend I don't have faith in I CAN READ YOU KATSUKI (I know it will be difficult but fantasy worlds are fun to play in too) and tell me why is she scum.

(I default on she to anyone who doesn't have their gender listed, so if it's a he, meh.)

(I'm also not going to change my vote to her anyway, cuz I like my vote, but still.)

-_-

(I'm also not going to change my vote to her anyway, cuz I like my vote, but still.)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Here, have an ISO.

Go tell me what's townie about it.

Waiting, Tammy.

[GreyICE]

Meh, Oman is just one of TSQ's posse, and frankly I can't be arsed to care about morons like that.

I'll catch up tonight, but I'd just like to be sure I understand the MoI wagon. MagnaofIllusion is on VLA, so is the wagon because only half the hydra is here? Or because of magical jellybeans?

SpySpy, why is MoI better dead here than Kats? MoI is a far, far better player to have alive, all things being equal, and Katsuki is FUCKING AWFUL. You cannot look at that ISO and tell me that he's town. At least MoI is producing content, and I don't read Magua as scum here (magna isn't posting at all, basically).

OTOH I'd be down for an UberNinja lynch. I usually get warm, townie feelings off UberNinja, and I'm just not getting them. I dun like #1337.

[GreyICE]

Hey guys who should I vote.
Totally sheeping the next guy who posts.

Hey Nikanor

Katsuki

Justice can happen today.

[GreyICE]

Yay!

It begins.

LLD, ignore Oman, he needs bullets. Come join a justice wagon.

[GreyICE]

Hey. SpyreX. Tell me, straight up: You think we'll flip town or scum. Go.

Probably town if I had to guess.

Not ROCK HARD SOLID but probably town.

FATE

SPYSPY HAS THE SAME READ AS ME

AND HE'S VOTING FOR THIS WAGON BUT I ASSUME DRUGS ARE INVOLVED

WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE IN THIS?

[GreyICE]

Über you're scum this game, aren't you?

Oman should fellate a gun barrel.

[GreyICE]

15. Shmugen MathGirl277 - Like his posts, town.

What is this
I don't even
He's the guy who did the useless wall of reads on useless people when he replaced in?

Explain plox.

[GreyICE]

Your system
It hurts me
I kind of like it

[GreyICE]

Wut.

Is this like nightless and no deadlines but the scum kill is on a fixed cycle?

[GreyICE]

Wut.

Is this like nightless and no deadlines but the scum kill is on a fixed cycle?

Oversoul was most definitely some sort of http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... dal_Townie IMO.

The usage of the words "collapsed", his death flavor, the way he played - everything.

No that's stupid. A suicidal townie would only kill themselves because they were about to be lyched and that obv didn't happen.

[GreyICE]

I agree with nikky on Ludi.

One good turn deserves another.

vote: implosion

Beats the shit out of a ludi wagon. Apparently I can scream until I'm blue in the face about Katsuki, and nothing happens. Fate, you kill his sorry ass for me if I die night one, okay?

[GreyICE]

I want to say something but I don't know if it will actually be helpful for the town to know :\

if you can say it without name-claiming I'd guess it's worth saying since you just claimed *haz vague informationz*

I am admittedly stupid tired right now though so maybe wait for other people's opinions too?

Well it is a suspicion and nothing concrete.

Probably not going to say it until later in the game provided I live long enough.

95% certain this is why oversoul died btw. greyice/nexus could have also wanted him dead but even if they are scum I think it would have been more of an additional reason than one of them killing oversoul solely because of his suspicions on them.

Did you just admit to going on a fishing expedition on Oversoul's role, then shooting him when you thought you had a nibble?

Seriously, the 'this is totes why X happened' posts are not townie.

Btw, Oversoul is the guy who asked me to replace in. Even if I was scum, I'd never shoot the guy who asked me to replace in day 1 (cop investigate, sure, but not shoot). Give me a few points for class.

[GreyICE]

Vote: Quilford

Sure why not. He's actually a good wagon, unlike Ludi or MoI.

[GreyICE]

Yeah, I strongly doubt it. You'd have to be captain dumbfuck of the dumbfuck brigade.

Gonna laugh at you tomorrow nikky.

[GreyICE]

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have added the adjective, stupidity knows not of alignment bounds.

[GreyICE]

'cause scum didn't kill themselves, and an SK would be off killing the obvtown, not the viable lynches.

Our masonize failed -- our target was "not eligible."

It is possible that the Wyrd kill was an SK, and that the mafia don't have a Nightkill because they kill during the Day.

Lack of reset of the counter makes me expect a kill around 30-32.

VOTE: SpyreX

Vote spyrex

[GreyICE]

Slimeee

Was that GI vote really under the premise that MoI actually targetted me after all his hulaballo

Ayup, mate. Maybe if I didn't have a town read on him and I actually had a town read on you i might ignore it, but you're a good vote anyway.

Regfan, what's the points of similarity between the quilford and moi wagons? I'm on a phone, so.

[GreyICE]

The Laguz Alliance Army

See, considering I dont -have- a nation persay I kinda assumed it would work.

But I dont care even a little bit at this point.

And the fact you dont see how if even a person gives a nation for you to be useful (well, at least with night actions because day play is lolololol) its a step in the right direction.

When when has Spyre scumhunted?

Why is Spyre not being aggressive at all?

Why has Spyre basically posting nothing at all this entire game?

OHhhhhh man ohh man

I can see characterizing a lot of things a lot of ways but this?

Good lord man.

ILL DONE HELP MAKE YOU A TRUTHSAYER THOUGH

Are you shitting me.

You should die for this post alone.

Oh my god I'm not part of ANY nation so I can't be fucking counterclaimed no matter what nation MoI says and by the way it should work on me /deflect /deflect

Oh my GAWD I cannot believe this shit is happening abort abort

NICE ONE DICKCHEESE

DIE

[GreyICE]

So your role is XXXXXXXX of Gallia?

[GreyICE]

Anybody wanna lynch Nexus?

What, captain 6 poster?

I'd rather do Oman, but I could do for a lurker lynch.

[GreyICE]

SO

I HAVE TIME FOR THIS

AND VOTE COUNTS IN MY GAME I'M MODERATING

BUT

VOTE: KATSUKI

SERIOUSLY

VLA MY SHINY METAL ASS

I'M CONFIRMED SCUM WITH MOI AM I KATSUKI?

[GreyICE]

I probably should make my self useful if I'm not gonna be here.

Vote: GI

UN vote is pretty bad and needs explaining.

OH MY FUCKING GOD

THIS IS SO BAD

HE'S CONTENT TO LET ME FORGET ABOUT IT

UNTIL HE REALIZES THAT OH NO, I FORGET NOTHING

AND I'M HERE, WAITING

JESUS PIG FUCK GUYS

[GreyICE]

What's my game

Is that I'm seriously fucking angry

And fucking drunk.

Seriously folks.

Katsuki got away with doing shit day 1. Jack. Shit. Seriously, go ISO him. It won't take long.

He has two fucking confirmed scum reads in the entire world. MoI and me. The only people in the entire fucking game he thinks are scum. And MoI is basically likely to be town (if not confirmed, certainly not likely to be lynched today and most likely town). So he starts today by going 'hee dee, look at me fluff post, lemme post some fluffy shit, etc. etc.'

So, I'm the only scumread this fucker has left in the entire FUCKING UNIVERSE and he forgets I exist until I attack him?

Terminate him with EXTREME MOTHERFUCKING PREJUDICE YOU FLEA INFESTED DONKEY FUCKING CUNTLAPPERS

[GreyICE]

Oh for gods sake

Don't you assholes dare say that you don't see it

His scum reads were the largest wagon at the time
And the one person in the game attacking him

THE LARGEST WAGON AND THE ONLY PERSON ATTACKING HIM

COULD THESE SCUM READS GET ANY LAZIER?

FUCK YOU ALL

VOTE: NEXUS

HE'S PROBABLY TOWN

BECAUSE YOU'RE IDIOTS

BUT I DON'T GIVE A FUCK

THERE ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?

[GreyICE]

OH YEAH
LIKE I GIVE A FUCK WHAT YOU THINK TIM
I DON'T SERIOUSLY GIVE A FUCKING SHIT
SO SUCK MY COCK


SERIOUSLY YOU REALIZE NO ONE IN THE ENTIRE GAME HAS GIVEN ME ANYTHING RESEMBLING AN ADEQUATE EXPLANATION OF WHY KATSUKI ISN'T BEING LYNCHED

BUT WE'RE GOING TO WAGON LUDI OR NEXUS BECAUSE THAT'S THE COOL THING TO DO

FUCK YOU

LUDI AT LEAST IS DEFINITELY TOWN

AND IF YOU FUCKING TRY AND RIDE MY NUTS LIKE ANYTHING YOU SAY MATTERS

I'M GONNA FUCKING GET SERIOUS ON YOUR FACE

[GreyICE]

Then WHY ON GODS GREEN EARTH DO YOU READ HIM AS TOWN?

BECAUSE HE DIDN'T LET HIMSELF GET REPLACED OUT? YE GOD HE LIKES PLAYING AS SCUM. THAT'S NO EXCUSE.

OR IS IT SOME SECRET CODEPHRASE IN ONE OF HIS 6 POSTS?

[GreyICE]

You might want to go pick up some rum and scotch before I answer that question.

ARE YOU FUCKING AWFUL TOWN

OR FUCKING AWFUL SCUM

[GreyICE]

Meh, so day 1 obvious town gets daykilled, day 2 likely scum gets daykilled.

Hi SK, shoot Katsuki and Oman plox

[GreyICE]

Whoever this vig is he's a fucking MVP boss.

Just sayin'

Also

Vote: Alchemist

[GreyICE]

PEdit: Hey GreyICE and Alchemsist, stop being fuckwits, you're both town so lets not get into a stupid tunnel on each other.

Really? Because 'Good job doctor' posts are like 50% from scum, 25% from the doctor himself. And the doctor in this case is a serial killer...

[GreyICE]

LLD it is a good vote especially via Smug AND it can happen.

Oman first.

Also Glork finish.

If Oman is scum with LLD I'll be pretty sad with them both.

[GreyICE]

Lol, lessee.

He hasn't posted in 100 days

So we have no idea of his alignment

It's like 2 scum dead to like 3 town.


Yeah, we need people like that to not be wasting oxygen.

vote: nexus

If you are a mislynch bro, you done nothing to show us this.

[GreyICE]

YAY SINGER IS SCUM

OR SO FUCKING WORTHLESS SHE NEEDS TO DIE

QUICK SINGER ANALYZE MY REACTION

VIG ANALYZE HER REACTION TO A BULLET TONIGHT

[GreyICE]

My official stance on GreyICE's reaction is that he's a faggot.

Hey singer, your mouth is talking. Have Quadz fill it with something, then you might know what it's like to have something smart come out of your mouth.

[GreyICE]

Please don't hammer until I've gotten people to answer my request for nation members.

Nexus, you're at L-2 by my count. Full claim, please.

If it hasn't happened by now why do you think it will happen any time soon?

I'm fairly certain there are people who haven't seen the request yet.

I seriously doubt that is the reason; furthermore if you believe that to be the case why haven't you dragged forward your request on each page you instead of reposting it the once as far as I can remember.

Not sure where I stand on Nexus' claim; would like to see the evidence others have asked for and more input from Nexus before deciding one way or another.

If there's a gust, does your avatar face in a different direction?

[GreyICE]

1. Nexus is town and Ike. What I think the case currently is.
2. Nexus is scum, but fakeclaimed ike for no apparent reason, will get counterclaimed, and die.
3. Nexus is scum with Ike fakeclaim, implying ike is not in the game. I highly doubt this.

re: 2,

Ike is the most obvious fakeclaim for scum. If Ike is on the scums' list, and Nexus claims Ike and gets counterclaimed, guess what? Scum have a guranteed target (and likely a power role at that) to kill the ensuing night.


Like... I'm not really sure what misfired in your brain when you said "for no apparent reason," but scum going down in flames will often fakeclaim doctor and/or something-else-they-want-to-kill.

Nexus has done BOTH.

Fuckin' seriously.

Glork.

PranaDevil claimed Doctor in SquareEnix Mafia and you flipped the fuck out at me. You REFUSED to lynch him without a counterclaim, claiming that there was absolutely no way that the game would not have a doctor, and that you WOULD NOT under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES lynch the doctor without a counterclaim. You threatened to lynch me in point of fact (prolly a solid idea, since I was scum, but).

I'm going to have to dig up the exact quotes, but before I do what changed between now and then? Because I will start making a fucking mess all over the bloody place.

Unvote

[GreyICE]

With Prana being uncountered, I refuse to lynch him. Simple as that. The town almost certainly has to have a Doctor role in a game with two scumgroups, and that has to be Prana.

HERE WE GO

YOU SEE WHY I'M A LITTLE FREAKED GLORK

START MAKING ME FEEL BETTER

[GreyICE]

With Prana being uncountered, I refuse to lynch him. Simple as that. The town almost certainly has to have a Doctor role in a game with two scumgroups, and that has to be Prana.

HERE WE GO

YOU SEE WHY I'M A LITTLE FREAKED GLORK

START MAKING ME FEEL BETTER

Vi doesn't like regular doctors.

This game isn't multiball.




I'm really okay with the vig killing Grey at this point. He's now proven in three separate occasions that ebbs ZERO idea what the protown win condition is.

Sooooo, you're saying it's different because Vi doesn't like regular doctors, and Nexus doesn't claim to be a regular doctor.

And this game isn't multiball.

And then a nice helping of OMGUS?

This glork, not amused.

[GreyICE]

@GreyICE:

Hi. I'd like a scumread who's not in the set (Katsuki, Oman, Nexus), please and thank you.
Oh, while I'm here, I'd like to know if you think Lady Lambdadelta is town or scum.

SingerSigner needs to die, for her self-vote, shitty content, and general 'I dare you to lynch me.' It'd be fucking amazing if Nexus flipped scum here, because it'd explain her giving up/AtE post (Signer giving up makes NO SENSE from what I know of her. Whining, sucking, and generally flailing about, sure. Giving up? Nah).

Other than that, it's time to start culling the herd. Dramonic, Hinduragi (he rubs me the wrong way), Glork, UBERNINJA, Dana/Zdenek, and the obvious.

LLD is... I dunno. She's whining up a storm, but she'd happily scumplain about something for as long as she could. She's calling me a good vig shot though, so I'd return the favor ^_^

[GreyICE]

A Katsuki post.

Is it worthless?

MAGIC EIGHT BALL SAYS FUCK YES

[GreyICE]

ITT, Grey confirms his continued inability to read Glork in any way, shape, or form.

Hey dude your vote is on me.

If you are jumping up and down and screaming that there can only be one group of scum
And you are saying I can't read you
And you are voting me because you think I am scum...

Que que?

[GreyICE]

Meh.... Looking at the rest of Grey's ISO, his behavior is actually p consistent with Greytown.

I just really, really, really, really, REALLY hate the multiball thing. And the comparison between here and the Pranaclaim.

But he did promse to make a mess, and I did choose to ignore him.

But fine, Grey.
A) Vastly different setups. We knew for certain at Prana's claim that it was multiball, but otherwise a p standard game. With TWO scum factions and a claimed doctor, odds were pretty astronomical that someone was going to shoot Prana. Even if he were scum, the other group *has* to kill him if the town refuses to.
B) Mechanics. We know that the scums' win condition is non-standard. We know that there is a unique "seeker" mechanic, where certain characters are trying to find certain other characters. We also know that the scums are looking for a specific subset of players and, as I already explained, if I were fakeclaiming scum expecting to be lynched, I'd fish for a counter from someone on

The List

.
C) Behavior. While "I lurked as a doctor to not draw attention" isn't a completely awful explanation, Nexus' behavior here is still pretty fantastically different from Prana's behavior. Upon claiming, Prana was an open book -- completely transparent, gave us immediate and full explanation of everything. Nexus' behavior, on the other hand, has been completely minimal. He just gave us a name, a vague/incomplete explanation of abiltiies, and a target. Tierce/Tammy/etc have tried to extract more information from him, but it's been like pulling teeth. This is not consistent with someone who can easily and immediately explain his role and the logic behind his behavior. It is consistent with scum who either don't know what to say, don't want to say it, or just hope that the claim will make everything go away (or draw out the desired counterclaim).


Like. Context makes the Prana situation and this situation completely, 100% different. There's no basis for comparison. If you were to go back over the past 7 years and look at my reactions to various doctor claims, they would be all over the place, beacuse every single one is situationally different. Your sample size is small, so fine, you saw something that seemed inconsistent, but your thought process is incomplete at best.

Unvote

I need to think. And starting tonight, I'm going to be on vacation until Tuesday, July 3. I'll have my laptop with me while I travel, but time/content may be hard to come by.

See, this is an awesome post that makes a lot more sense than 'NO THE TWO ARE DIFFERENT LOL VOTE.'


Glork, if I'm actually sitting down and caring about the setup, what are the odds that Rolf is one of the people scum need to kill? If Tierce is still alive, I'd think it would follow that she'd probably be dead night 1. Yes, yes, WIFOM etc, but if she's not on the list (and Rolf isn't a major character or leader of any nation, AFAIK) then isn't Tierce nigh immortal? I'd think the value of practically confirmed town in this setup is rather a tad lower than it is normally.

[GreyICE]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Oman

Don't like the lack of follow-up from Nexus but I'd rather leave that decision to tomorrow and make scum deal with it tonight. I'm fine with lynching Oman even if he is getting replaced because basically nothing can redeem the slot at this point.

He could counterclaim Ike.

-_-

Seriously: "nexus is not the lynch because of claim. No claim could redeem Oman though. No claim. But god, not worth voting him over nexus way back when."

I'd be willing to give Oman's replacement a chance. Yes, all Oman did was lurk and complain about how stupid I am. And that makes him friends with TSQ. Stupid ain't scum.

[GreyICE]

vote: uberninja

He wants death folks.

[GreyICE]

Yeah okay, we're not lynching Oman without a claim. And he can't claim if he's being replaced.

So Gamma, do you think Über is town? Because I think he's an awesome vote.

[GreyICE]

---

@GreyICE:

It's not so much that I have any particular worry of dying in this game, it's the fact that we're not going to lynch Ike at this stage. Oman/Avenging Angel replacements may CC Ike, sure, but in the meantime

you don't lynch Ike

. You seem to be pushing for Nexus's lynch or at least trying to convince Glork to hop back on, without voting for Nexus yourself. What's with this? Why are you playing devil's advocate?
(Though I guess that UberNinja is the one and only of my townreads I would slaughter with no regrets, so carry on god's work there.)

You hit the nail on the head.

Assuming the very limited doctor doesn't die, what day is his lynch back on the table? Because mechanics or not, no way does Vi let every major character be town.

I am very open to lynching nexus today, in case you're wondering. Two days ago I wanted to wait and see. I waited. Am I seeing?

[GreyICE]

Nexus
I want to believe you, but you're making this reeeeeeaally hard to deal with:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 2&sr=posts

Hop to, grasshopper. Give us JUICE. Show us that you actually have opinions in this game while you were "lurking out of necessity" instead of pulling failbad scumreads out of an hat with no development.


@UberNinja--don't let the door hit you on the way out.


Also I want that Nephenee concept made into a gaming miniature. Looks so awesome.

Vote: Nexus

Wagons are tied.

I know which one I want to go through.

[GreyICE]

Lurkerwagons are bad

implosion 2012-06-17 21:10:09 8 days 22 hours 37
Shmugen 2012-06-21 11:35:11 5 days 8 hours 23\

REALLY I THINK THEY'RE QUITE FUCKING EXCELLENT

Nexus 2012-06-24 17:55:46 2 days 2 hours 14

LIKE THIS ONE

FUCKING FOURTEEN FUCKING POSTS

[GreyICE]

THERE ARE FLAKERS WITH MORE THAN 14 POSTS

ZDENEK
OMAN

THE ONLY PEOPLE BELOW THIS ARE ALTS MISPOSTING AND FLAKERS WHO MADE LIKE ONE POST

NEXUS MIGHT HAVE LESS CONTENT THAN YOU, KATSUKI

[GreyICE]

I think this actually decreases Katsuki's chances of being scum slightly.

Not that Kats doesn't have long practice acting like an idiot -_-

[GreyICE]

If nexus is town then he STILL is lurking horribly and playing pathetic mafia Glork.

It's not like those 14 posts were any good, half of them are the "busy, catch up soon" shit.

Uberninja can die whenever though, whatever nexus flips. I have ZERO history of policy lynching him, more of defending him because he was obvious town, and him going "DERP GREY WOULD TOTALLY POLICY LYNCH ME" was the last fucking straw.

He is better than this, and you better fucking remember that if I'm pushing up daisies.

[GreyICE]

Nexus, paraphrase the wording on Ragnall as best you can. What might trigger it doing something?

[GreyICE]

Nexus, paraphrase the wording on Ragnall as best you can. What might trigger it doing something?

Hi nexus

Not going anywhere.

Answer this now.

Also clarify what type of protective role NOW.

[GreyICE]

HEY GUYS

YOU THINK THAT VI MAKES ONE OF THE PEOPLE WE NEED TO KEEP ALIVE

A MOTHERFUCKING BODYGUARD?

A FUCKING BODYGUARD? HOW DOES THAT WORK ANYWAY, OH I SUCCESSFULLY PROTECTED SOMEONE, AND THAT HURT THE TOWN?


WORST CASE KILLING THIS MORON DOESN'T HURT.

SO GET 'ER DONE.

[GreyICE]

Bahahaha did singer not even get her hammah?

Also, it's entirely possible that if Nexus is Ike, he's not actually a target. People seemed all over the idea of him being a safe claim because OMFG OUTGUESS THE VI-MOD, but not the idea of him being a non-targeted role.

THEN HE'S THE SHITTIEST PLAYER IN THIS GAME AND IM HAPPY HE'S DEAD.

JESUS CHRIST HE MAKES KATSUKI LOOK PRODUCTIVE.

[GreyICE]

75% (woah arbitrary percentage alert) of my posts are made with the intent of some form of fishing

u jelly?

If you vig Alchemist I'll give you a case of beer, whoever you are.

Please.

[GreyICE]

Okay, fair.

The vig should vig from this group if Nexus flips scum:

Debonair Danny DiPietro, Gammagooey, SpyreX, Nikanor, danakillsu, UberNinja, kanyeknowsbest

Scratch Nikanor actually, he's probs town.

If Nexus flips town I'd love to see Oman dead

[GreyICE]

Oman (L-4) ~ Magister Ludi, ToastyToast, Tammy, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Gammagooey, SpyreX, Nikanor, danakillsu, UberNinja, kanyeknowsbest

So on this list....

Toasty is town Tammy is town SpySpy is town Nik is town.

KKB gets a pass for replacing in+ being Dramonic.

Everyone else on this list deserves a bullet.

OH THANK YOU

YOU'RE ON MY PAGE

SINGER EATING BULLETS WOULD BE BEAUTIFUL TOO

[GreyICE]

Vote: Debonair Danny DiPietro.

This is our lynch for today. Speedwagon please and thanks.

Hells yes.

Vote: DDD

[GreyICE]

I assume Vi is a troll, and he was Tarhalindur with a fakeclaim of Ike. Tarhalindur, for those who don't do Vi games, is always in a Vi game, always non-town, and always has a bevy of ridiculous power roles. Plus he gets a fakeclaim even if you don't get fakeclaims (see: Team Mafia).

I bet Ike was their best damn fakeclaim.

Uber, Oman was a counterwagon to Nexus. That drops his scum points quite a bit, and if DDD is scum he's basically confirmed town.

[GreyICE]

Vote: Debonair Danny DiPietro.

This is our lynch for today. Speedwagon please and thanks.

You should feel bad about this vote; you should feel even worse about the way you're misrepresenting things.

I'll be back later but this is a colossal fuckup of a wagon.

HALP I HAVENT THOUGHT OUT MY FAKECLAIM JESUS WHAT IS THIS WHY DIDN'T I SHOOT GLORK HALP HALP VI PLEASE WRITE SOME FLAVOR FOR ME.

Someone remodel his face with a hammer

[GreyICE]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Oman

Don't like the lack of follow-up from Nexus but I'd rather leave that decision to tomorrow and make scum deal with it tonight. I'm fine with lynching Oman even if he is getting replaced because basically nothing can redeem the slot at this point.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nexus

Good enough for me.

Yeah okay, extra time isn't going to make this go away.

Angry we don't have our scum flip.

[GreyICE]

Fuck you spy vote for a decent wagon for once in your fucking life. I get it you're third part god knows what lol fucking role bullshit I don't care start playing like town this dumb fuck needs to die.

[GreyICE]

I have an ability that lets me shoot laser beams out of my ass.

Pew pew motherfucker, I'm not getting off you for anything less than innocent motherfuckig child after that.

[GreyICE]

For a motherfucking lousy soft claim of a potentially confirmable ability in a game where scum doesn't have to live through LyLo (since we could lose well before "LyLo")?

Why the fuck would anyone do that, DDD?

Assuming you're not an idiot, you're deliberately claim stalling at a time when you KNOW scum would claim stall.

Why?

[GreyICE]

For a motherfucking lousy soft claim of a potentially confirmable ability in a game where scum doesn't have to live through LyLo (since we could lose well before "LyLo")?

Why the fuck would anyone do that, DDD?

Assuming you're not an idiot, you're deliberately claim stalling at a time when you KNOW scum would claim stall.

Why?

See, I keep hearing that scum would want to stall the game and not being scum I have no fucking idea why that is. I mean there's the ultimate war mechanic which tells me absolutely nothing and then there's been a random daykill except it might be from the possible SK who just died and/or which might be related to time somehow but I don't know either way being that I don't have control of the kill.

And maybe you noticed but I didn't want to claim at all, so now I'm going to try to claim as little as possible because I don't want to claim at all, and when that doesn't work because you and yours wear your pants on your heads and aren't actually trying to read me, I'll eventually make the claim that will cause my wagon to disintigrate and I'll be even more disgusted that it came to that. Ta da. So how about we skip the last phase of that and you unvote.

How about we lynch you and you flip scum and we party?

[GreyICE]

DDD activity level increasing by a factor of 20 in response to wagon is interesting.

Reads are a tad -_-

No you can't scare me away by threatening me DDD

If I own the "mistake" of voting you you own the "mistakes" of days 1 and 2.

And that requires me to believe this is PYP DDD on acid.

[GreyICE]

Hi guys
I have a role
It makes me confirmed town.

/sig if you have a role that makes you confirmed town

[GreyICE]

I'll ignore the first, second, and fifth lines since they don't actually say anything useful and instead note that I never threatened you; the owning your vote comment was a positive in comparison to letting someone else own your vote and I said you were in the middle of all my non-town reads. If calling you the sixth or seventh person I'd lynch is a threat, it's a rather indirect and weak one.

No threatening me with this bullshit idea that you'll flip town and "I will be sorry for voting an awesome town power role." Like how nexus tried to threaten me with the "I'm a doctor and Ike" bullshit yesterday.

[GreyICE]

Also you can't find me scummy, DDD. I have an awesome ability that makes me definitely town. I can't tell you what it is, of course, or even hint at it, but it's awesome and the fact I have it makes me definitely town.

[GreyICE]

gi/un: how about dramonic/kkb lynch?

How about we stake DDD out for the dawn like the nasty little vampire he is?

[GreyICE]

I'm at the point where I think UN is pretty likely to be scum, and honest to goodness feel that een of he is town, removing him from the game will benefit the rest of the town.

Kinda like when the town in Gay Mafia got rid of Umbrage.

I'm kinda here too. We're down 4 scum, and we have maybe 7 or so tops, and SpyreX is outed as some third-party-bullshit-needs-to-die-soon role.

I backed him in Team Mafia because he was definitely playing... not necessarily well, but not crappy, and he just reeked of towniness. I've fucking bitched about his play before this game, and if we can't do in DDD then Uber is alright.

But I still want that fucking turkey DDD fried.

[GreyICE]

UN saying now I will hammer this if you don't properly claim.

p-edit: lol cupcakes are total truth and town tells tho

HEY KATSUKI

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF DDD'S CLAIM

YOU FUCKING SCUMBAG

DDD&KATSUKI 2012

WHO WANTS TO PUNCH THIS TICKET?

[GreyICE]

btw kats whys gi scum?

d1 + gamma sed 2 vote him

oh add on d2 and the fact that im pretty sure that he was one of demz dat tried to derail dat nexus wagon

plus 0 team mafia and general moi-influenced derpiness

Fuck you Haylen was terrible and even admitted that she was appealing to me as town while voting me and calling me scum.

[GreyICE]

so did DDD claim or didn't he?

NO

HE FUCKING WANKED OFF AND SPRAYED HIS MAN JUICE ALL OVER THIS THREAD

LIKE

"OH YOU CAN'T... VOTE... FOR..."
*stroke stroke*
"ME... OH... YOU SUCK... OH... MY... GOD"
*stroke stroke*
"YOU CAN'T APPRECIATE... OH... HOW GOOD... OH... MY PLAY HAS BEEN... YOU WERE A PROMISING... OH GOD SO GOOD..."
*stroke stroke*
"PLAYER... ONCE... OH YOU ALL... ARE TERRIBLE... ONE SEC WHILE I APPRECIATE MY... GREATNESS"
*stares into mirror*
*comes*

[GreyICE]

Vote: DDD

I am 100% convinced that UberNinja and LLD did not concoct some amazing plan to match claims in their Quicktopic. Meaning at best 1 of these 2 is scum.

Were I going to vote...

um...

*sigh*

I like LLD more, so I'd probably vote Uber, but based on gameplay coin flip.

She was on Nexus exactly long enough for it to be a bus. Yes, honey, you bus like a madman, I am aware of this.

Uber, otoh has done jack.

But my initial vote?

Oh I like that one.

[GreyICE]

Fuck you honey.

Fuck you.

You're town, aren't you -_-

WE WILL HAVE WORDS ABOUT THIS

[GreyICE]

This. A thousand times this.

UN is the ONLY play today.

DDD still needs to die die die.

I don't give a fuck about role name. At all. But claiming MAGICAL HAPPY PILLS is ballsacks.

[GreyICE]

HONEY

IT STILL ELIMINATES YOU AS A NIGHT KILL

*FACE
HITS
PALM*

[GreyICE]

I'm about to vote Hinduragi/Glork/Tierce if scum don't start dying

YO DUMBASS. I'M GOING TO SAY THIS ONCE, SO LISTEN THE FUCK UP FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE. YES, THIS MEANS ACTUALLY DO THAT, BECAUSE BY GOD IF YOU DON'T BOTHER TO I WILL FUCKING VOTE YOUR ASS AS A POLICY LYNCH.

GO TO THE FUCKING OP

. START COUNTING. SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE LEFT ALIVE?

That's right. MOTHERFUCKING TWENTY PEOPLE.

Now go down and count the number of dead scum. Implosion... Shmugen... Nexus... Duplicity...

Now give it a long thought.

THERE IS AT MOST SEVEN SCUM, AND POSSIBLY SIX.

We are literally aiming for a needle in a hay stack.

STOP FUCKING BLOWING YOUR LOAD LIKE A TWELVE YEAR OLD EPIC MAFIA JACKASS AND PUT UP WITH THE FACT THAT SOME TOWN WILL GET MISLYNCHED.

[GreyICE]

shut up grey you have a low iq

YOU FUCKING DUMBASS

Vote: ALCHEMIST

FUCK YOU

YOU DESERVE TO BE POLICY LYNCHED

YOU DESERVED IT IN FUCKING NGE

AND YOU DESERVE IT HERE

YOU EPIC WASTE OF TIME

ALL YOU DO IS FOCUS ON WHOEVER IS LEADING THE TOWN

AND FUCKING TRY TO LYNCH THEM

BECAUSE YOUR SHITTASTIC EGO KICKS IN AND SAYS "OH SHIT EVERYONE TRUSTS HIM OH MY GOD I BETTER START ACTING SUSPICIOUS SO IF HE IS SCUM AND HE WINS THE GAME I CAN GO 'OH MY GOD I KNEW ALL ALONG'"

YOU ENORMOUS FUCKING PAIN IN THE ASS

[GreyICE]

GI didn't even realize what I'm was talking about

My playstyle is above your head sadly

Guys

I think Alchemist claimed

He's from Mars.

Like literally

From Mars

Unvote

I can't take this right now.

Nice to see Toasty claiming something that makes more sense than 'two scum jumped on SpyreX in order to mislynch him when they're down DI members.'

[GreyICE]

Oh, so Alchemist blocked me. Cute. I see tim remains terrible at this game.

Gamma, can I quote the bit where you wet your pants back to you every time you claim to be good at this game?

[GreyICE]

Anyway, I'm town. Tim's block did nothing.

[GreyICE]

Hi Gamma

I'm not scum

And you've been a fucking useless derp all game if you're town.

Are you?

[GreyICE]

Grey, you mise well claim everything but name.

Abilities, country, targets, etc.

Because right now, you're p much lynch fodder.

Nah bro.

Don't feel like it.

So fuck off.

If you really think I'm scum come out and say it.

P.S. Honey, I mean this in the nicest possible way. No, fuck you.

[GreyICE]

Yeah, it's a last ditch effort to save me. That's why I'd totally do it after Glork voted for me.

Sweetie, don't be Tim Eater.

[GreyICE]

I refuse to believe there's a random mechanism that turns people to stone.

That's too stupid for words. It has to be controlled by players, and that means scum.

[GreyICE]

Anyways, flavor aside, like GI said, I doubt this is random regardless of the flavor behind it.

And to that sense, I am at a giant fucking loss to why Glork was targeted, reputation aside.

Only thing that makes sense is that they were worried about Glork's claim to have flavor knowledge of some sort.

[GreyICE]

On that note, it's not Tierce. You've got to be 100% fucking retarded to lurk-read along with a day phase, use your ability on someone, then come in and start discussing it.

Yes, obvious town remains obvious town -_-

It's you, isn't it?

[GreyICE]

It's HIGHER THAN THE CHANCES OF ME BEING SCUM YOU VACUUM-BRAINED BIRD FUCKER

[GreyICE]

Oh come on, then why would I use it after he voted for me to lock his vote on to me?

[GreyICE]

And I see benmage would like that.

There really is no fucking reason for me to claim here. I'm town, and Alchemist didn't do shit last night.

[GreyICE]

HEY BENMAGE

WHEN I'M SHOWN TO BE TOWN

YOU'RE KINDA IN THE SHIT AREN'T YOU?

[GreyICE]

How GI, for sheeping you being RB'd and not claiming... And calling it shit play...

Sure put me in the shitter.. Aint I already here?

Not to mention I have zero respect for you as a person. And I can't mention the final brick in the wall if you will... cause the games ongoing, but you should know why.

For being roleblocked
Or is your goal to claim that 'oh TSH must have blocked the kill?'

Time to start warming it up, sonny boy, because I'm not getting lynched.

[GreyICE]

Okay you idiots, I'm your fucking Empress. And a little kid. I'm Sanaki, and my country is Begnion.

Apparently I'm a child empress. I have two abilities. The first is called "Voice of the Goddess" which lets me know I am important to the game in some way. The second is called "Limitless Potential," and it says that I may gain further abilities, depending on changing battlefield conditions.

So congrats, TimEater, you're still fucking terrible at this game.

[GreyICE]

Hey Gamma, I'm sorry, but that's what my role PM says.

If you don't like it, you can suck my nutsack. I doubt you're this terrible at the game, you deserve to be lynched.

[GreyICE]

Ugh, tell me I'm not an enabler. Those are horribly swingy, and I'd be disappointed in Vi

[GreyICE]

Meh, Wiki it.

God almighty TimEater is terrible. Two fucking games. Two fucking games he's attacked me for no reason whatsoever except that he's a brain damaged, mentally challenged 10 year old ape.

NGE he attacked me for the entire game, from the point he replaced in to the point the game ended. At every moment he was defending scum and attacking me while I tried to lynch scum.
Then I come in here and get the same shit.

You fucking mental midget, you are an anti-town piece of shit. You attack Glork. You attack Tierce. You attack me. You target based on who you dislike, rather than who you think is scum.

You should have been policy lynched day 1.

I better get some love from protective roles tonight.

[GreyICE]

and grey i'm trying to be as nice as i can to you here but you're being an asshole and that claim eliminated pretty much all the doubt that I had about you being scum.

Gamma, you couldn't tell scum from town if the moderator PMed the setup to you by accident.

[GreyICE]

I unvoted for a bit to try and determine his alignment.

I asked him VERY SPECIFIC questions about his ability to try and determine if it matched the wording on my ability.

He fell apart under questioning, and we lynched him. If I wanted him alive, why was I pushing him?

More to the point, you lying sack of shit, check this out.

actually you know what

unvote, vote: oman

bam, helping, nexus probably isnt getting lynched today with the "waitandseeeeeeee" crowd everywhere and I can very grudgingly see nexus's claim as at least possible. If he doesn't have some damn good shit tomorrow though I want him smeared across the floor as a layer of damp red dust.

[GreyICE]

OH WHATS THAT

NOT ONLY DID YOU WAFFLE

YOU MOVED OVER TO OMAN TO SEE IF YOU COULD GET OMAN LYNCHED INSTEAD

[GreyICE]

Also my personal feelings for TimEater have nothing to do with my alignment. He'd still be a shitty player were I scum.

[GreyICE]

Um, I did what?

I voted Nexus because he was a useless sack of shit who wasn't posting anything. I said so in my post.

Why don't you quote the post where I voted him and show how it matches your claim, liar.

[GreyICE]

Congrats Gamma.

You've been calling me scum for days.

And content to push me while voting other random people because you're Drunk/Bored/Tired/Stupid/Whatever flavor of excuse floats your boat.

Very good solid behavior that. Consistent.

[GreyICE]

Lol, lessee.

He hasn't posted in 100 days

So we have no idea of his alignment

It's like 2 scum dead to like 3 town.


Yeah, we need people like that to not be wasting oxygen.

vote: nexus

If you are a mislynch bro, you done nothing to show us this.

Nexus
I want to believe you, but you're making this reeeeeeaally hard to deal with:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 2&sr=posts

Hop to, grasshopper. Give us JUICE. Show us that you actually have opinions in this game while you were "lurking out of necessity" instead of pulling failbad scumreads out of an hat with no development.


@UberNinja--don't let the door hit you on the way out.


Also I want that Nephenee concept made into a gaming miniature. Looks so awesome.

Vote: Nexus

Wagons are tied.

I know which one I want to go through.

LETS PUT SOME FUCKING CONTEXT ON THIS GAMMA

OKAY

THERE'S SOME FUCKING CONTEXT

NEXUS DESERVED PRESSURE AND HE DESERVED TO BE LYNCHED

[GreyICE]

Unvote, Vote:GreyICE

will vote pretty much anyone in the game if their wagon is big enough. don't think implosion is very likely to be scum but i have too many town reads and people needed to start dying approximately last week.

IMPLOSION ISN'T LIKELY TO BE SCUM

THEN THIS

i think i like this actually.

unvote, vote:quilford

man this vote is legitimately garbage

vote: nexus

i think one of ddd, dana, or tsh is scum from votecounts

i need to read over more stuff when i actually have time to do it, hopefully tomorrow afternoon

but yeah my vote above is really lazy and he has an okay or better chance of being scum but quicklynching him has the potential to let us "catch up" in cycles I think and his play is not something I want in this game at all. so yeah I fully support a nexus lynch now but if theres no lynch for a day or so I will go over stuff and give a vote that isn't lazy garbage.

OH YEAH SOLID VOTE

You said it was lazy garbage in your own words, Gamma

further also uberninja

is

was to my left
so also also also also also also
sup

okay done spamming the thread now.

previous questions are legitimately important and ludi should answer them in a manner that won't make my eyes glaze over the thread

and my other vote is secretly less bad than I said it was but I don't think as good as this

Unvote, Vote: Avenging Angel

went back over haze's iso and I really don't like the majority of his posts, it looked like a lot of empty questions and a bit of information instead of analysis.

if nexus can get lynched QUICKLY i will absolutely revote him but I think avenging angel is a very good vote right now based on haze's play.

@ludi- haven't read your big post but LOLGUT says alche is town. i'll actually read the other post in a sec.

OH LOOK THREE POSTS LATER GAMMA IS OFF NEXUS

WHAT A FUCKING SURPRISE

I'M CONFIRMED SCUM WITH MOI AM I KATSUKI?

not what he said

VLA MY SHINY METAL ASS

uh yeah he's at scummer of love and I'm pretty sure he was using someone else's computer.

seriously if you're going to keep tunneling katsuki you could at least do it without completely made-up garbage.


doesn't look like anyone actually cares about avenging angel at this point so

Unvote, Vote:Nexus

MIGHT get to going over ludi and TSH isos tonight but I'm kind of exhausted. more likely i'll get to it tomorrow.

RELUCTANTLY BACK ON NEXUS

actually you know what

unvote, vote: oman

bam, helping, nexus probably isnt getting lynched today with the "waitandseeeeeeee" crowd everywhere and I can very grudgingly see nexus's claim as at least possible. If he doesn't have some damn good shit tomorrow though I want him smeared across the floor as a layer of damp red dust.

AND OFF NEXUS AGAIN

NO AVENGING ANGEL

HE'S NOT MENTIONED

BUT HE WAS YOUR TOP SCUMREAD

OH DEAR

ohhhhh shit
is this the SOUND
OF A LYNCH ACTUALLY HAPPENING?

because it sounds preeeeetty nice

unvote, vote:nexus

And finally back on when Nexus' terrible play had ensured that Oman couldn't possibly be pushed through over him, no matter what else happened.

[GreyICE]

I agree and am glad we could agree on things in such a cordial manner.

but that is leaving out your unvote and the doc discussion you had with glork that was near that, pretty sure after the "no idea of his alignment" post.

I had no idea of his alignment

Because he had like 14 terrible posts in the thread. And I mean like half of them were V/LA posts.

So yeah, I'll admit it. My first vote was just to put pressure on him. Pressure works. Well, if you can remember who your fucking scum reads are.

Who were yours, Gamma?

[GreyICE]

but that is leaving out your unvote and the doc discussion you had with glork that was near that, pretty sure after the "no idea of his alignment" post.

Go quote that discussion, then, Gamma, and say what's so scummy about it.

Come on, Gamma. Tell me what's scummy about it.

Because I can tell you what's scummy about unvoting Nexus ASAP and then voting for Avenging angel, then revoting Nexus when he flakes under pressure then unvoting AND FORGETTING WHO THE FUCK YOUR OWN SCUMREADS SUPPOSEDLY WERE

[GreyICE]

Meh, I would, except I think scum-Gamma wouldn't give a shit. I think he'd just spam quote TimEater's info at me, pin this all on Tim, and then scream "FUCKING CASH" when I flipped town in the QT, and enjoy the heat landing all over Tim's head.

This is the correct play for today.

Vote: Benmage

[GreyICE]

Are you kidding me.

Tim you realize this game is fucked when I flip Sanaki, don't you?

[GreyICE]

Dude, you sat there whining and insulting me before coming up with this brilliant counterclaim idea.

-_-

Fuck this, LLD, confirm either me or Alchemist, I don't give a fuck tonight. If I'm the gorgon queen who petrified Glork or whatever I'll investigate whatever country she's from (I'm guessing not Begnion SINCE I'M THE FUCKING EMPRESS). Cop can do their job.

You can consider this a blacklist if you're town pulling this stunt, Tim. WTF man, what the fuck.

[GreyICE]

Hey Alchemist. We have a role that confirms what country people come from. Why the hell are you so reluctant to use it?

THE FACT THAT YOU ROLEBLOCKED ME DOESN'T MEAN YOU PREVENTED THE KILL. JESUS CHRIST. I GET YOU'RE BLOWING YOUR LOAD BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE THE HERO OF THE TOWN, COUNTERCLAIM THE "SCUM," DRAW THE NIGHT KILL, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. AND WISHFUL THINKING WON'T MAKE IT SO.

You realize what a bonanza this is for the scumteam when I flip Sanaki, right?

[GreyICE]

Yeah, I looked it up too. It's a fire spell that does massive damage.

Literally it is a massive fire spell.

Tim, I know you're all like "I am the hero that Gotham deserves, not the hero that Gotham needs," but you're just copying Fate at his worst. Your reads do not justify this.

Tierce, I can be confirmed. Also, when I flip Sanaki, gamma is the scum profiting from the village idiot.

[GreyICE]

Okay, look folks, here's how it comes down. LLD CAN CONFIRM ME.

Now if we let that happen,

1) scum shoot LLD, who is not part of their kill list, 99% likely.
2) scum shoot me. I'm confirmed Sanaki, you save a lynch (use it on gamma, not Tim).
3) scum let me become confirmed town

What is the downside here?

[GreyICE]

That's Cymbaline. It's an enormous fireball. Seriously folks.

Alchemist is still town despite his decision to be the town hero by counterclaiming me. I get it. You get "DA SCUMZ" lynched, you get night killed when you're a minor character, you're the hero of the game. WEEE. *sigh*

Town win percentages would be so much better if players like Tim and UberNinja would fucking play decent mafia rather than trying to be superheros.

Gamma/Benmage scumteam 2012. That's my reads. And they both need to die.

[GreyICE]

Well, I'm Sanaki.

TimEater remains terrible.

[GreyICE]

Seriously dude, your roleblock is a giant fireball.

I see the town has grabbed the idiot ball and is slobbering all over it.

[GreyICE]

Well she just got lynched. So

[GreyICE]

CONGRATS SCUMTEAM

YOU GET BY WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM YOUR FRIENDS

TIM AND UBERNINJA

GOOD GAME

HOW IS THE TOWN SUPPOSED TO WIN PAST THAT

[GreyICE]

Oh look, Gamma is gone. Of course.

[GreyICE]

CHANCES GAMMA POSTS BETWEEN NOW AND MY FLIP

ABOUT 5%

[GreyICE]

I'm going to dedicate a post in MD to you, Tim, after this game. It'll be called "why you don't fakeclaim dumb shit on the strength of your reads, because it always lynches town"

A tad wordy

But I don't fucking care.

Seriously, I kinda hope scum win, it'd be fitting.

[GreyICE]

Because of Modern Family Mafia.

Fate claimed a guilty on me, and was town. He did it preeettty much exactly like Tim did. That hesitation, then confirming the claim, then fucking with the flavor, then the town lost.

And also Rhinox, I'm dead town. So suck my balls, I can do whatever I want.

It's Benmage. And Gamma. 100%

[GreyICE]

It's really not. Cymbeline the roleblocker, with the giant fireball... *sigh*

Could you make an effort to learn from this?

[GreyICE]

Meh, I can't remember why I wanted to lynch you. Probably because you were playing like Katsuki rather than someone competent at mafia

[GreyICE]

Yeah, well he's town, and I'm tired of lynching idiot town.

[GreyICE]

Every game you're town in, Rhinox. Every game you're town in.

[GreyICE]

I apologize to everyone I was an ass to this game. I've been scum in rather a ton of games recently, and this game I just... I'm tired of being scum.

It rather came out in my personality, and I was a lot more of an ass to people than I had any reason to be.

Congratulations to LLD for that amazing performance today, I honestly thought she was sunk multiple times.

[GreyICE]

I also owe Nexus a special apology. You didn't deserve the crap I gave you.

[GreyICE]

i apologize again for being retarded enough to pursue that line of conversation with benmage vi :<

With that said, I was still very tempted to modkill Katsuki for receiving and passing on that message from kkb. <_<

katsuki made this up btw. the only thing related to the game i said in private to him was literally "woops i got modkilled"

p-edit this is what u get for spreading lies about me kats!

Well that makes me feel better about you, but I believe that the line 'pretending to break a rule is still the equivalent of rulebreaking' applies


BTW, seriously guys, Regfan outplayed the ENTIRE GAME. He died, and his question was 'are LLD and GreyICE scum?'

Yes, yes we were. And he was trying not to draw attention to himself as the SK.

Regce is a force of nature.

[GreyICE]

I don't mind if the scum QT is outed, but I'll defer to my scumbuddies.

[GreyICE]

Darn it. So who exactly was the fifth target? I really thought we were safe, even if the DDD lynch didn't work, since I was blocking LLD.

This was by no means one of my best game, but I'm actually pretty proud of myself that I was able to survive and get quite a few scum right. Being "out of practice" for so long lead me to believe that I was screwed and going to be the first lynch D1, but I managed to keep myself alive. I knew if I was going to stop people from lynching me in my town position I would sort of have to play like scum (retreating through the midgame, not challenging D2 so much--I thought there were better people to lynch). Unfortunately, I think I retreated too much and kept too quiet, sort of just letting other lynches happen. (but at least my reads were good)

Ultimately LLD got me though. Her honesty during the SpyreX thing kind of sold me, but I think that if I hadn't felt so guilty about that lynch, I would have been more prone to move my vote.

The targets were, in order we learned them:

MoI
Uberninja
Alchemist/Timeater
KanyeKnowsBest
DDD

[GreyICE]

Oh I didn't pick up on your breadcrumbs or anything. Had no idea what you were claiming. The daykill was just obviously fake. I would have been a hell of a lot more irritated as town, and also taken the opportunity to do something rather than let the game get derailed, but the part about me laughing at how fake it was? The same.

[GreyICE]

No one listens when you're dead.

Well except to me. I wanted DDD dead, and everyone was very nice and did that.

DDD, sorry about being useless and terrible, but I really didn't want to help the town.

[GreyICE]

I honestly think your unrelentingly horrible levels of negativity hurt you, Gamma. You were definitely on to me, but the way you acted let me present it as pretty much a personal vendetta with no real meaning in game terms.

I think if anything scarpered this town, that really did. Oman, for instance, presented everything he did in a fashion of "I'm voting because I'm angry and I hate someone" which is really actually impossible to read motivation from. There's no logical argument to engage with, it's basically EpicMafia play. When that becomes the standard, wagons quickly approach random.

I think it's rather telling that even though the scum team was playing quite terribly, only two of us actually managed to get lynched, and only one of us got lynched because of a power role result. Basically the signal to noise ratio was ungodly horrible, and very few townies did anything to combat that besides Glork and SpyreX.

[GreyICE]

Find me one positive thing you said about anyone's play

Yeah

[GreyICE]

Yeah we had to kill five players, you had to lynch 4 scum.

So easy

[GreyICE]

There really was only 4 scum in the game, since Shmugen auto-left it based on numbers.

It really was a very frantic race against the clock, for the scum and the town. The scum were underpowered, out gunned, and in trouble, while the town was facing deadline pressure and an uncertain clock themselves with the scum hitting roles.

I think the one thing we were really good at is outting people's role and country. By the end of the game there were four people from Soren's country claimed... and we knew the role names of three of them. That's pretty fucking impressive, if you ask me.

[GreyICE]

And you were town, so maybe you're a tad biased too. I mean you only accused me and LLD of cheating because... actually, why were we cheating anyway?

[GreyICE]

Okay then. I honestly read it that way. Welp, sorry for misinterpreting you.

P.S. Me and LLD don't live together. We did know each other's alignments this game, and we did communicate outside the game thread day or night. I didn't communicate with her after I died - her entire defense was 100% her, and she did a damn good job of it. 1v1 she's better scum than me.

[GreyICE]

Meh, lets be honest. Town victory.

Dramonic/Kanye were soooo far under the scum radar as power roles. We were operating off the assumption that all of our targets were strong power roles (We thought MoI could masonize more than one person). Unless Kanye claimed to have the restorer staff (we twigged Elencia = healer) we would never have guessed that he was our target, and another target being alive would have been awesome.

Of course Oman/Rhinox and Benmage may both have been mislynched, but they may not have. So overall, I'd say the odds of town victory were... high... minus modkills.

[GreyICE]

I was out of the game by that point, so I certainly wasn't reading anyone's posts very closely. I did some fun setup spec on the last day when we had a chance to win again, but really until the modkill I thought we were sunk.

LLD might have noticed the crumbs, but honestly there were a lot of people and a lot to read.

[GreyICE]

This game is simply further proof that late-miller claims should be met with rope immediately ...

We need more evidence?

I don't think they EVER come from town.

[GreyICE]

Yeah, you were obviously prepping a big farking case because that's you. You just have this sense of dramatic timing that is impeccable ~ And predictable, obv

idc if Fate has a town read on me, he'd troll lynch he if he had a cop innocent on me and the town was swinging that way, so yeah, you two needed to die.

[GreyICE]

I mean the other explanation for you not being present was protecting a power role and trying to fly under our radar, so that would be bad for the scum team too