Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[Tammy]

Fine. Magua used this same logic in NY146 with the fake claiming bodyguard and it was sound.

vote: Oman

I could vote Avenging Angel too. I find it rather odd that someone made an alt to try out a different playstyle and it's lurkerlicious.

[Nikanor]

Oman is going to be replaced. I thought of voting for him too but he hasn't posted in 5+ days so I'm just waiting on a replacement.

[Tammy]

Oh. Well...herm.

[Vi]

Mini Vote Count (20):

Levail
Nexus (L-5) ~

Tammy,

Duplicity, Gammagooey,

Glork,

Lady Lambdadelta,

Alchemist,

Teleporting Speed Hippos, Katsuki, UberNinja, SpyreX, Alchemist
Oman (L-10) ~

SpyreX,

Magister Ludi,

Hinduragi,

ToastyToast,

UberNinja,

Tammy
GreyICE (L-11) ~ danakillsu,

Glork,

Hinduragi
Avenging Angel (L-11) ~ MaguaofIllusion, Tierce
danakillsu (L-12) ~ Debonair Danny DiPietro,

Alchemist

SpyreX (L-12) ~ Oman
singersigner (L-12) ~ singersigner
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-12) ~ Nikanor

Not Voting:

dramonic, Avenging Angel, Nexus,

Nikanor, Tierce,

GreyICE, Glork

-Oman is getting replaced. Please hold...

-Avenging Angel is being prodded...

--With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

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[Glork]

Paranoia, Tierce? I'm disappointed.

[Tierce]

You keep Gobbie on her toes. She never knows when Nezumi Deathmask might not actually be on her side. D:

Hopeful yes, but I'm preeeeetty sure I can't read you worth an apple. I'm just hoping you're protown and trying to ignore that twinge just beyond the edge of hearing.

[Alchemist]

Glork being a little too subversive

His interactions with Tierce throughout the game have been really weird

[Glork]

For me it feels risky keeping him alive longer than necessary.

For me it feels risky lynching an uncounterclaimed Ike.




And yes, blah blah blah, Vi might have provided a safeclaim, but that's a shit reason to try to Outguess the Mod. It's such a reach, it's not even funny. Nexus isn't he play. He *MIGHT* become the play in, idk, 4 days if he hasn't been confirmed by then. But I'm willing to wait and see on this Ragnell thing and see of scums will risk keeping him alive, esp while confront tierce gets to live.

[Glork]

Also, Tierce, trust me, I'm protown. I think I understand why you're having doubts, but even outside of the reaction to Oversoul, I've been genuine. Like the soft-claiming biz. Would be super crazy suicidal for me to fake seeking as scum with no protown players having claimed similarly.

[GreyICE]

Meh.... Looking at the rest of Grey's ISO, his behavior is actually p consistent with Greytown.

I just really, really, really, really, REALLY hate the multiball thing. And the comparison between here and the Pranaclaim.

But he did promse to make a mess, and I did choose to ignore him.

But fine, Grey.
A) Vastly different setups. We knew for certain at Prana's claim that it was multiball, but otherwise a p standard game. With TWO scum factions and a claimed doctor, odds were pretty astronomical that someone was going to shoot Prana. Even if he were scum, the other group *has* to kill him if the town refuses to.
B) Mechanics. We know that the scums' win condition is non-standard. We know that there is a unique "seeker" mechanic, where certain characters are trying to find certain other characters. We also know that the scums are looking for a specific subset of players and, as I already explained, if I were fakeclaiming scum expecting to be lynched, I'd fish for a counter from someone on

The List

.
C) Behavior. While "I lurked as a doctor to not draw attention" isn't a completely awful explanation, Nexus' behavior here is still pretty fantastically different from Prana's behavior. Upon claiming, Prana was an open book -- completely transparent, gave us immediate and full explanation of everything. Nexus' behavior, on the other hand, has been completely minimal. He just gave us a name, a vague/incomplete explanation of abiltiies, and a target. Tierce/Tammy/etc have tried to extract more information from him, but it's been like pulling teeth. This is not consistent with someone who can easily and immediately explain his role and the logic behind his behavior. It is consistent with scum who either don't know what to say, don't want to say it, or just hope that the claim will make everything go away (or draw out the desired counterclaim).


Like. Context makes the Prana situation and this situation completely, 100% different. There's no basis for comparison. If you were to go back over the past 7 years and look at my reactions to various doctor claims, they would be all over the place, beacuse every single one is situationally different. Your sample size is small, so fine, you saw something that seemed inconsistent, but your thought process is incomplete at best.

Unvote

I need to think. And starting tonight, I'm going to be on vacation until Tuesday, July 3. I'll have my laptop with me while I travel, but time/content may be hard to come by.

See, this is an awesome post that makes a lot more sense than 'NO THE TWO ARE DIFFERENT LOL VOTE.'


Glork, if I'm actually sitting down and caring about the setup, what are the odds that Rolf is one of the people scum need to kill? If Tierce is still alive, I'd think it would follow that she'd probably be dead night 1. Yes, yes, WIFOM etc, but if she's not on the list (and Rolf isn't a major character or leader of any nation, AFAIK) then isn't Tierce nigh immortal? I'd think the value of practically confirmed town in this setup is rather a tad lower than it is normally.

[Vi]

Vote Count XXIII:

Yune (as scouter)
Nexus (L-5) ~ Duplicity, Gammagooey, Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Katsuki, UberNinja, SpyreX, Alchemist
Oman (L-10) ~ Magister Ludi, ToastyToast, Tammy
GreyICE (L-11) ~ danakillsu, Hinduragi
Avenging Angel (L-11) ~ MaguaofIllusion, Tierce
danakillsu (L-12) ~ Debonair Danny DiPietro
SpyreX (L-12) ~ Oman
singersigner (L-12) ~ singersigner
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-12) ~ Nikanor

Not Voting:

dramonic, Avenging Angel, Nexus, GreyICE, Glork

--With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

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[Tammy]

Why are people voting for GreyIce again? Oh <reasons>

Dammit....I said I'd vote for Avenging Angel and the lurker "Imma changin my meta" drives me up a wall, but I had a townish read on Haze so now I'm stuck.

Why is Singer still voting herself? I thought that was over and done with.

I need to think...tomorrow. Tonight, I'm gonna drink.

[Nikanor]

You can vote for TSH.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Oman

Don't like the lack of follow-up from Nexus but I'd rather leave that decision to tomorrow and make scum deal with it tonight. I'm fine with lynching Oman even if he is getting replaced because basically nothing can redeem the slot at this point.

[GreyICE]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Oman

Don't like the lack of follow-up from Nexus but I'd rather leave that decision to tomorrow and make scum deal with it tonight. I'm fine with lynching Oman even if he is getting replaced because basically nothing can redeem the slot at this point.

He could counterclaim Ike.

-_-

Seriously: "nexus is not the lynch because of claim. No claim could redeem Oman though. No claim. But god, not worth voting him over nexus way back when."

I'd be willing to give Oman's replacement a chance. Yes, all Oman did was lurk and complain about how stupid I am. And that makes him friends with TSQ. Stupid ain't scum.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Seriously: "nexus is not the lynch because of claim. No claim could redeem Oman though. No claim. But god, not worth voting him over nexus way back when."

I'd be willing to give Oman's replacement a chance. Yes, all Oman did was lurk and complain about how stupid I am. And that makes him friends with TSQ. Stupid ain't scum.

I've got a list of like seven town reads and two "hope scum solves that problem for us" reads; I really just want to churn the dregs and unknowns of the game as soon as possible. And Oman isn't someone who gets a free pass for acting like a moron, you don't get to use the "VI acting like a VI" defense on a player who isn't a VI.

[UberNinja]

Why is there no death. I want death.

[SpyreX]

Actually Oman managed to not make sense in his posts on top of lurking (see wanting a wagon through cause srs scum DONT SHEEP ME BRO)

[GreyICE]

vote: uberninja

He wants death folks.

[Magister Ludi]

Those vote counts were exceptionally close together.

SpyreX, you seem to want to lynch oman but your vote is still on Nexus. Do you still want to lynch Nexus today?

[Gammagooey]

Those vote counts were exceptionally close together.

yeaaaah wouldn't be surprised at all if there was another kill on town before the end of tomorrow, the first one was at 18 and we just hit 36 and are apparently not actually that close to lynching anyone.

greyice vote hops with absolutely no effort to get anyone to lynch who he's voting for in this game given dese mechanics is still horrific (although i guess its better than him not voting for whatever reason that i forgot about)

i'd like nexus dead most still but none of the "wagons" are actually bad so make one happen and let's make it dead. (if anyone wants it spelled out wagons include nexus oman greyice and avenging angel atm.)

[Gammagooey]

actually you know what

unvote, vote: oman

bam, helping, nexus probably isnt getting lynched today with the "waitandseeeeeeee" crowd everywhere and I can very grudgingly see nexus's claim as at least possible. If he doesn't have some damn good shit tomorrow though I want him smeared across the floor as a layer of damp red dust.

[SpyreX]

Unvote, Vote: Oman

[Vi]

Mini Vote Count (21):

Zelgius
Nexus (L-7) ~ Duplicity,

Gammagooey,

Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Katsuki, UberNinja,

SpyreX,

Alchemist
Oman (L-7) ~ Magister Ludi, ToastyToast, Tammy, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Gammagooey, SpyreX
GreyICE (L-11) ~ danakillsu, Hinduragi
Avenging Angel (L-11) ~ MaguaofIllusion, Tierce
SpyreX (L-12) ~ Oman
singersigner (L-12) ~ singersigner
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-12) ~ Nikanor
UberNinja (L-12) ~ GreyICE

danakillsu (L-13) ~

Debonair Danny DiPietro

Not Voting:

dramonic, Avenging Angel, Nexus,

GreyICE,

Glork

-Avenging Angel has requested replacement. Please hold...

--With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

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[Tierce]

Funny how a wagon on Oman has a lot more traction as the one on an equally useless slot. It's almost like Avenging Hazel is being protected and Oman isn't. Almost like Oman is going to flip town.