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The first thing I want to throw out is thatthe Vig should not kill unless they are 110% positive they are hitting scum. Iffour peopledie over Night 1 I think it would be fair to assume that the Vig shot belongs toscum.
The second thing I want to throw out is aVote: Seacore(L-11)
for some sketchy things said in the sign-up topic. That and Seacore sounds like what you get when you remix a bunch of tracks of those relaxing ocean CDs.-
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As a setup designer I kind of like it when semi-random role assignments are like that. And I'm not just saying that because I reviewed the setup~Xylthixlm 7 wrote:SpyreX did a very good job of picking roles that would suck if scum got them.
I'm not too worried about most of them simply because with only three scum to a team,los scummoshave quite a bit of incentive to limit the number of kills that they don't control, so I would expect lots of (attempts at) crosskills.
Also, would you like to change your vote to a different member of the Little Mermaid Mafia? (like, say, the one I'm voting)-
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This is the only post that references scum dynamics (no communication with each other until full roles go out) after alignments went out.Seacore 62, sign-up topic wrote:although I imagine it won't hurt to just pick, since there's no communication during this time.
Scum are -much- more likely to post in terms of communication during the draft, as they have a vested interest in coordinating their picks.
All of Seacore's posts have been rolefishing of some kind.
This post doesn't make sense on a couple of levels.Seacore 9 wrote:I'm not going to pick any of[the first people in the draft]for my RVS because maybe they can be uber helpful town.
Wouldn't it be possible - and potentially devastating - for one of the first few players to be uber-dangerous scum?
Why have you expressed so little concern about alignment and so much about who got what roles?
Would your "random" vote lynch anyone anyway?
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who unfortunately isn't voting SeacoreBloodCovenent 21 wrote:
Thank you! You truly are a nice person.StrangerCoug wrote:IfIrecall (orremember)correctly
ItDevotress 22 wrote:I don't really see the fishing in seacore's posts, so much as him stating an obvious fact we all know, people at the top were more likely to grab roles.isan obvious fact, but why stay preoccupied with it?-
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@e_knits' avatar: She's always putting her best face forward~
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There are alreadyCobalt 43 wrote:vi's pre-emptive vig direction ticks my scumdar. as an experienced player, Vi should know that random death helps town.three peoplegetting shot overnight without the Vig shot. All three of those shots are scum-directed (as in, not random death).
Telling the Vig not to shoot places more value on the lynch, which all the people who don't have a say in who dies overnight would likely appreciate.
Furthermore, a scum Vig would have good reason to shoot every Night (randomly or otherwise) regardless of what's good for the Town.
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That's not what I read.Seacore 30 wrote:One, I was encouraging people to speed up the drafting process by explaining why there's no need to wait for the mod before picking.
Seacore, who is scum?although I imagine it won't hurt to just pick,since there's no communication[between players]during this time.-
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You didn't factor in the lynch today. There will be 21 players at the beginning of N1, and while a Town Vig has seven scum targets (7/20), the SK has six (6/20).Cobalt wrote:Numbers are right.
Each mafia team has a pool of (22-3) 19 targets for a kill. There are (3 + 1) 4 scum in that pool, giving a (4/19) 21% chance to hit scum.
Each lone killer has a pool of (22-1) 21 targets for a kill. There are (3+ 3 + 1) 7 scum in that pool, giving a (7/21) 31% chance to hit scum.
This isn't particularly relevant considering you've basically won me over though.
We can commence lynching Scumcore now.-
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Seacore 54 wrote:Well there's communication between mod and players... I don't get what your problem is with this?
----SpyreX wrote:Note: Once the order is done you will know your alignment.However, not until after the draft is finished will you know any partners you may possess.
I do not support the immediate massclaim, although Budja's vote concerns me considering Seacore just extended what SClergyman was saying.-
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This got lost somewhere.Vi 45 wrote:Seacore, who is scum?
Seacore, please?
@67: You seemed to make mention of players not being able to contact each other during the draft phase, which was specifically mentioned in the rules as a quirk for the scum.
There is room for misinterpretation there, though. Based on your reactions up to this point, I think my initial look was wrong. So--
Unvote: Seacore(L-11)
Vote: e_knits
Awkward reasons for joining the wagon were indeed awkward.
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Yes. ( =p )SerialClergyman 68 wrote:Vi, by massclaim did you mean my suggestion about 1 or 2 roles claiming, or did you mean a mass claim?
I think it would be more strategically valuable for people to claim when their roles and actions become relevant. Breadcrumbing would be appreciated in the case of sudden death overnight.-
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For better or worse.SerialClergyman 86 wrote:What's with the prickliness? Are you usually like this when in game?
Do you think Seacore has provided us any information that could help us determine his alignment?SerialClergyman 86 wrote:I have no idea if Seacore is scum or town.
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Very much this.Cobalt 88 wrote:Why are you so fixed on getting role info out? Why can't we just scumhunt?
I wouldn't be surprised if this setup could be broken apart at some point, but notnow.-
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I knew there was a chance that Seacore's slip in the sign-up topic (the focus of my argument) was a false positive, but I pushed it anyway... for... pressure.BloodCovenant 119 wrote:Why did you initiate this wagon as a pressure wagon,
Seacore's responses (due to that pressure) look Town. With that in mind, I don't want a wagon on someone I presently believe is Town.
If Seacore had responded differently than he had I would still be pushing that wagon relentlessly.-
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Further. You unvoted Seacore to vote me.BloodCovenent 119 wrote:Unvote:
Vote: Vi
If I was really trying to put Seacore up as the first-wagon-that-doesn't-get-lynched (presumably because he's my partner), you would be better served calling your own bluff by keeping your vote on Seacore, as presumably we would both be scum anyway.-
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Even ifBloodCovenent wrote:
Negative, i would have found two scum. And it would give reason to have two decent wagons for lynch, and then the decision would be up to the town on who to lynch.Vi wrote:
Further. You unvoted Seacore to vote me.BloodCovenent 119 wrote:Unvote:
Vote: Vi
If I was really trying to put Seacore up as the first-wagon-that-doesn't-get-lynched (presumably because he's my partner), you would be better served calling your own bluff by keeping your vote on Seacore, as presumably we would both be scum anyway.(you know what this isn't worth arguing)
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Why is Plum obvscum? There's considerably more reason to call Vaya obvscum.Xylthixlm 168 wrote:
They're both obvscum.Vi wrote:
*buzz*Xylthixlm 163 wrote:Plum is obv scum btw
Vayais obvscum.
One person's voting habits are piquing my interest... and of course I'm not going to tell you whose~
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@farside: So I'm scum for calling Seacore scum for the same thing you saw.Really?
Are you in this game to lynch Seacore, or are you here to parse whether Seacore is scum?
While I don't agree with FtF's reason for voting BloodCovenant in 176, it would be worth my while to make a judgment on him. Please hold...
Xyl is dodging my absolutely serious question about Plum and Vaya.
Coug's posts are as terrible as farside's, not least of which because he's voting Seacore as well. To answer the specific question, though--
Yes. Yes it does.Coug 180 wrote:Does the size of the wagon matter this early in the day?
Cut by Xyl among others: Wow this wagon is scum-driven.-
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farside22 207 wrote:
I don't get why you didn't keep the pressure instead of giving him the answer it gives me all sorts of bad vibes on you.vi wrote:@farside: So I'm scum for calling Seacore scum for the same thing you saw. Really?
Are you in this game to lynch Seacore, or are you here to parse whether Seacore is scum?"You're scum!"
"Why"
"Because of this lol"
"What does that mean"
"You don't know?"
"No lol"
You're saying the next line should have been:"If you don't know I'm not going to tell you"
That sort of line only works when you already know you're right and/or want to intimidate your husband.~
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Fixed.Cobalt 201 wrote:this wagun iz supirlatevly exelent
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I don't think I've ever seen e_knits-Town, so I don't know what to say about the recent surge of votes. Then again, my vote's already on the wagon, so *purr*-
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elvis_knits 248 wrote:Oh, crazy monkey wagon just happened last page. That was easy to find.
Reasons seem to include "I don't think she's town" and "I want to be on a wagon."
Most of the people on my wagon have been flippety flopping their vote around multiple times per page. Some of them appear to be scum hunting, although they are all over the place. Dram and BC are the worst of the crazy monkeys. However, cobalt is scum.
unvote; vote cobaltConfirm Vote: elvis_knits
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I suspect dramonic isn't scum.
I'm pretty sure Seacore isn't scum.
Cobalt might be scum, but not for the reasons being given out.
The people piling votes on them ARE more likely scum.-
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It's not that amazing, and I'm not positive on it, but it's enough to mention for the moment.Xylthixlm 251 wrote:
You must have some amazing meta on dramonic there.Vi wrote:I suspect dramonic isn't scum.
I'm pretty sure Seacore isn't scum.
I'm certainly not denying that his contribution isn't great.
elvis_knits, lolXylthixlm 251 wrote:
Who gave reasons?Vi wrote:Cobalt might be scum, but not for the reasons being given out.
Plus whatever poorly-defined reason BloodCovenant had a while ago.-
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This person was Budja, whoVi #21 wrote:
*buzz*Xylthixlm 163 wrote:Plum is obv scum btw
Vayais obvscum.
One person's voting habits are piquing my interest... and of course I'm not going to tell you whose~
*jumped on at the peak of the Fishy wagon (for what it's worth) and tried to say "oh there may already be scum on this three-person wagon"
*jumped on at the peak of the Seacore wagon (seventh vote) for unsatisfying reasons
*jumped on at the peak of the Goofball wagon (fourth vote) piggybacking on Cobalt's reason
*just now laid an egg on dramonic for laughable reasons
And I would like to know what changed between this post and this post re: elvis_knits.
Scum are
e_knits
Budja
Coug
Vaya
Undecided on
S.Clergyman
B.Covenant
Devotress
Xylthixlm
farside
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Consider that they're both under the "scum" header. Now consider which one had 11 votes.BloodCovenent 312 wrote:
Vi, it seems like you have a better case on Budja, why were you still voting EK?Vi wrote:
This person was Budja, whoVi #21 wrote:
*buzz*Xylthixlm 163 wrote:Plum is obv scum btw
Vayais obvscum.
One person's voting habits are piquing my interest... and of course I'm not going to tell you whose~
*jumped on at the peak of the Fishy wagon (for what it's worth) and tried to say "oh there may already be scum on this three-person wagon"
*jumped on at the peak of the Seacore wagon (seventh vote) for unsatisfying reasons
*jumped on at the peak of the Goofball wagon (fourth vote) piggybacking on Cobalt's reason
*just now laid an egg on dramonic for laughable reasons
And I would like to know what changed between this post and this post re: elvis_knits.
Scum are
e_knits
Budja
Coug
Vaya
Undecided on
S.Clergyman
B.Covenant
Devotress
Xylthixlm
farside
Please shoot accordingly.
I don't have preferences for which scum gets lynched, so long as scum gets lynched.
As for e_knits' claim... It should take care of itself.
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Define "vote-hopping".Pom-Pom 316 wrote:Don't you think vote-hopping is a scumtell for a reason?
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Editing the quote down to what you're talking about is tech.BloodCovenent 323 wrote:
So what are you saying? we should just lynch him? Or keep him around? I didn't notice an unvote.As for e_knits' claim... It should take care of itself.
e_knits' claim gets a scummy player killed instead of lynched.
While e_knits was wagoned for some decent reasons (hint: not just "gut") and there's nothing that says the Cop must be Town, the outburst seemed Townish enough for me to not call fake.
I'm not (yet) sure where to go from here, and the vote isn't hurting anyone, so.-
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One doesn't take up the Town's main weapon against scum.BloodCovenent 328 wrote:Well... from my point of view, it looks like you want him dead. What difference does it make whether he is lynched or killed?
What does this have to do with anything relevant?
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My reflex was to shoot this down immediately, but this actually opens the door to an interesting theory.~Fishy 334 wrote:As well as his horrible position on the wagon, Cobalt becomes scummy for not picking the most protown role (@Cobalt: I don't want to know why you didn't pick cop).
HoS: Cobalt
What did get to me reflexively was his reactionary vote on you.
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The Seacore wagon isstillgarbage and so are the alignments of the people on it, because he's ObViOuSlY tOwN.
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No change in previous reads except that Cobalt is now in Undecided territory. *purr*-
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*notices that I'm still voting e_knits*SerialClergyman 364 wrote:Vi - what's with posting an interesting case on Budja and then not voting him, despite ripping on the other flourishing wagon?
This is what happens when people pull me away to watch Survivor.
I'll take a Budja vote.
Unvote: elvis_knits(L-9)
Vote: Budja
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*e_knits is scummy. Was scummy, still is scummy, will continue to be scummy.BloodCovenant 365 wrote:Does the above quote refer to EK? And if so, are you presenting the theory that he will most likely be dead at some point in the upcoming night?
Also, what do you mean by that first line? "One doesn't take up the Town's main weapon against scum." Maybe it's just a brain fart, and it's finals week.... but... expand please.
*Because of the Cop claim, if we do not lynch her e_knits (regardless of alignment) will get shot by the multitude of shots getting taken overnight sometime. If she doesn't die tonight, we will probably get an investigative result.
*Your average Townie can only kill people with the lynch.
*Therefore lynching someone else helps literally everyone in every possible way. (as compared to a game where a member of a single scum faction can falseclaim D1 and remain alive to the endgame by the almighty power of WIFOM)
Or in short, I don't really buy e_knits-Town but I'm fine with unvoting due to the claim.
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Neither of them are good choices.Goofy 366 wrote:I want to vote Dram & Vi.
Choices, choices.-
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i forgot lolVi 368 wrote:
*notices that I'm still voting e_knits*SerialClergyman 364 wrote:Vi - what's with posting an interesting case on Budja and then not voting him, despite ripping on the other flourishing wagon?
This is what happens when people pull me away to watch Survivor.
I'll take a Budja vote.
Actually, that's not entirely true. I wasn't sure where to go (Budja being one direction) at the time of my first post after e_knits claimed, so I decided to procrastinate and come back later. Then I left and forgot all about it :\
So aside from my short-term memory, who or what is scum?-
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Not quite. I went out for two hours, started catching up on this site, then got called in. 'Doesn't really matter anyway.BloodCovenent 374 wrote:
Survivor... for 4 hours!!!Vi wrote: Actually, that's not entirely true. I wasn't sure where to go (Budja being one direction) at the time of my first post after e_knits claimed, so I decided to procrastinate and come back later. Then I left and forgot all about it :\
So aside from my short-term memory, who or what is scum?
You're not answering the obvious question.-
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True. The people formerly voting you have almost evenly split to two people on each wagon now.elvis_knits 414 wrote:
Notice how crazy monkeys were all banded together until they forced a claim from me, and I called BS. Now they are all scattered and hiding.Vi wrote:
Because you claimed Cop.elvis_knits 402 wrote:Why are the votes all spread out like this?
Could you please unvote Seacore and vote either of your other two top suspects (preferably Cobalt)?
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When you say something that's committal, let me know.Coug 413 wrote:Something's bugging me about Vi right now, but I can't point my finger on it. DrippingGoofball is acting exactly as I expect her to, so still no read.-
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Bingo. I was waiting for this.Cobalt 423 wrote:unvote vote vi
Cobalt's wagons fit under three broad categories - unexplained, wagon-hopping, and most curiously, defensive. This one is defensive. I would let it slide, but it's the FishytheFish vote following this post and under otherwise no pressure that got my attention for being a blatant reaction. Andthat'swhen I started paying attention to Cobalt.
Furthermore. Fishy brought up that he was concerned for why Cobalt didn't pick Cop, as it's an obviously broken Town role. I have a similar concern, as Cop is also a good Mafia role. It's not, however, a good SK role. I have a suspicion for what Cobalt picked that WOULD benefit an SK - especially an SK at the top of the draft order - and that provides another reason for why I would like to see Cobalt lynched.
If there is enough opposition to lynching a high-draft power role today, I would be fine with stalling a Cobalt wagon today -but- I suspect there should be one in the future.-
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Never mind that I never jumped onto your wagon ^___^Cobalt 425 wrote:I'm not voting you defensively. I'm voting you because you were on the elvis wagon and now on mine. Pressuring the top two draftees has a scum motive but not a town motive.
Similarly, never mind that I had solid reasons for voting e_knits (first vote!) and putting this case on you (would-be second vote!)-
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I just realized I was so busy waiting for the inevitable Cobalt vote that I forgot to respond to this.DrippingGoofball 420 wrote:
Not at all - but I don't people to say "oh shucks I didn't notice!" That's why I am asking whether they are AWARE.Vi wrote:
Yes. Are you suggesting that we should notDrippingGoofball 418 wrote:Are you guys aware that Cobalt is first in the draft order?
*wagon
*suspect
*otherwise pressure
people who are high on the draft order?
After we have gone after #2 to the claim, now some people are pushing for #1. Just making sure it's all clear.
I don't care about the draft order. I remember Cobalt was #1, I was #3, and dramonic was last; and I haven't looked back. e_knits being #2 came as a surprise tbh, but I don't regret the wagon. I'm pressuring the people I find scummy, just like with any other game.-
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*checks*chamber 439 wrote:
There is an obvious first pick over cop as both mafia and town.Vi wrote:Furthermore. Fishy brought up that he was concerned for why Cobalt didn't pick Cop, as it's an obviously broken Town role. I have a similar concern, as Cop is also a good Mafia role. It's not, however, a good SK role. I have a suspicion for what Cobalt picked that WOULD benefit an SK - especially an SK at the top of the draft order - and that provides another reason for why I would like to see Cobalt lynched.
*notes*
Either way, I'm not sure how much of a loss it would be. But I agree it would be better for Cobalt to not die today.
Okay, derail over, commence lynching Budja/Coug/Xylthixlm/Devotress/Vaya/maybe SerialClergyman and BloodCovenant/etc.
There are a lot of great targets; please lynch one of them instead of the likely Townies.-
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SK: "hi im a cop with an inno on vi dramonic and seacore"StrangerCoug 447 wrote:
Seeing as the cop can't detect the SK in this game, I beg to differ. SK can pick cop, produce truthful results, and not worry too much about a lynch. It's an effective safeclaim and encourages the SK to scumhunt.Vi wrote:Furthermore. Fishy brought up that he was concerned for why Cobalt didn't pick Cop, as it's an obviously broken Town role. I have a similar concern, as Cop is also a good Mafia role. It's not, however, a good SK role.
Scum: <_< >_> *NK*
Other scum: <_< >_> *NK*
SK: oshi--*LOSES*
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Goofy 461 wrote:PS: I've been really good this year.*invokes Lynch All Liars*
Other than that, the only enlightening thing to come out of the Goofball-Xylthixlm-dramonic threesome is that if one of Goofy and Vaya comes up scum, the other one probably is too.
...Regardless of whatever reflexive retort Goofball puts up.
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The BloodCovenant wagon isn't terrible, although I'm disappointed that Budja is getting out of responding to his wagon just based on his absence.
More variety in who's posting would be nice so we can highlight the obvscumminess of StrangerCoug (for instance).-
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I haven't seen anything to change this list exceptVi 298 wrote:Scum are
e_knits
Budja
Coug
Vaya+Goofy
Undecided on
S.Clergyman
B.Covenant
Devotress
Xylthixlm
farside
Please shoot accordingly.
*I'm no longer Undecided on the people in that list
*the Goofball/Vaya connection
*I'm leaning toward BloodCovenant-Town for somewhat irrational reasons
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EBWOP: I forgot Cobalt.Vi wrote:
I haven't seen anything to change this list exceptVi 298 wrote:Scum are
e_knits
Budja
Coug
Vaya+Goofy
Cobalt
Undecided on
S.Clergyman
B.Covenant
Devotress
Xylthixlm
farside
Please shoot accordingly.
*I'm no longer Undecided on the people in that list
*the Goofball/Vaya connection
*I'm leaning toward BloodCovenant-Town for somewhat irrational reasons
Please vote/lynch accordingly. 750-post D1s are notgoals.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Acting more or less as expected from Town. Easy mislynch is indeed veryXylthixlm 524 wrote:Vi, what's your current take on dramonic?easymislynchable. Note that at its largest the dramonic wagon was Devotress, Budja, Coug, and Goofball.
RL sisters with "alt" issues.Faraday 528 wrote:Erm replacements? Weird, considering plum/pom seemed to be keeping up unless there's some out of thread reason,Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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trueDrippingGoofball 538 wrote:
They could very well be, but we're all spread out so thinly we are losing our focus and the most valuable information we have is players' choice of wagon. It's even difficult to make cases when we are, as a group, so scatterbrain.Vi wrote:but are they 5kum
let's agree to vote the same scumone then
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starting wagons on scum wouldn't be half-bad, joining existing wagons on scum would be betterCobalt 545 wrote:I started the benmage wagon and now the deathnote wagon. What more do you want?Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Important part bolded for your convenience.Cobalt 547 wrote:
So join me.Vi wrote:
starting wagonsCobalt 545 wrote:I started the benmage wagon and now the deathnote wagon. What more do you want?on scumwouldn't be half-bad, joining existing wagonson scumwould be betterEverything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Unfortunately the players ITT seem out of reach of my Instrumentality. They must have taken off their O-Pins.DrippingGoofball 572 wrote:StrangerCoug is still alive????
At least with the exception of Cobalt, Benmage, and maybe the BloodCovenant wagoners they're all voting scum; we just need to agree which one we're taking out.
Coug has waffled his way through the game and has done less than nothing to redeem himself, lynch plz, etc.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Wagon Coug.Faraday 589 wrote:
incredibly enough i think i'm sold due to the bolded.Cobalt wrote:The mod sent her a scum role PM. She has knowledge of her scumteam, the ability to communicate with them out of thread, and access to a factional nightkill.
Unvote Vote Devotressno one wants to wagon elvis it seems
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And if she's scum...Benmage wrote:
If shes town, she'll be nk'd. Nuff said.StrangerCoug wrote:
You took this out of context. Benmage is not allowing for the possibility that she is town. (Neither are you, but you're not the one I'm attacking at the moment.) elvis_knits should be given a chance; if she is scum, it will obviate itself later.Xylthixlm wrote:
He's telling scumStrangerCoug wrote:Does the wording matter? Nobody's countering her.not to kill the copand you think this is abad idea.
(Also, this line of conversation isreallyquite terrible)Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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