I still like elvis as scum but maybe she'll be cross-killed
He still smells like scum.
Hey Xyl why you so freaked about dgb voting you?Xylthixlm wrote:Hey elvis, do you remember in /in-vitational 4 where everyone I accused of being scum all jumped onto my wagon?
elvis_knits wrote:Hey Xyl why you so freaked about dgb voting you?Xylthixlm wrote:Hey elvis, do you remember in /in-vitational 4 where everyone I accused of being scum all jumped onto my wagon?
Xylthixlm wrote:Budja needs to vote me too, then I'll have the complete set.
SK: "hi im a cop with an inno on vi dramonic and seacore"StrangerCoug 447 wrote:Seeing as the cop can't detect the SK in this game, I beg to differ. SK can pick cop, produce truthful results, and not worry too much about a lynch. It's an effective safeclaim and encourages the SK to scumhunt.Vi wrote:Furthermore. Fishy brought up that he was concerned for why Cobalt didn't pick Cop, as it's an obviously broken Town role. I have a similar concern, as Cop is also a good Mafia role. It's not, however, a good SK role.
Goofy 461 wrote:PS: I've been really good this year.
QFT (did I say so before in my post yesterday?). Pom at least should understand what I'm saying when I say that this was a case for a basic application of the 'Kal V'Chomer' Bible-and-Talmudic exegesis principle.Faraday wrote:Obviously the inference is that if a random vig will help then a non random kill can help even further.
Or scum B EK could be being attacked by scum Bs who want to get at anyone at the top of the draft order. But yeah, either way opportunistic scum would see a lot more opportunity in a top drafter. Some votes on EK were good, reasonable, whatever. Some were awfully scummy, as noted above.DrippingGoofball wrote:The reality is that elvis would not be a top choice of her buddies to bus. ESPECIALLY if scum, at the top of the order. She'd be way too useful. Yeah, WIFOM. But I doubt it in this instance.
However a townie at the top of the order is an excellent wagon to pursue and get a free claim from.
I could go for a Cobalt wagon today. Cop is one thing; she's probably dead soon without our help and the worst that'll come is she lives another day or two and gives us lies for investigations we'll be looking at with suspicion anyway; and she may give us useful stuff before she goes if we're lucky. If Cobalt is where-what we think he is the risks are much greater.Vi wrote:Okay, derail over, commence lynching Budja/Coug/Xylthixlm/Devotress/Vaya/maybe SerialClergyman and BloodCovenant/etc.
Yeah but it also encourages SK death so itStrangerCoug wrote:Seeing as the cop can't detect the SK in this game, I beg to differ. SK can pick cop, produce truthful results, and not worry too much about a lynch. It's an effective safeclaim and encourages the SK to scumhunt.
You think he's one of those players who acts more pro-town as scum than Town? Um, proof/backup? I'm interested.dramonic wrote:In another line of thinking, I'm uneasy about Cobalt. I played with him in another game where he was scum and he was much more protown than that :S
I don't know, y'all but I read that as "I've gotten no vibes from Vaya because he's not posted, and from the others on the list none of the vibes I've gotten were Townie-vibes". Which is fairly reasonable. I'm not sure if Xyl's case is scummy nanotube-pulling or just a really weird angle which I can't see as possibly profitable scumhunting. Dram seems to be grabbing onto Xyl's case with a weird ferocity and unpleasant logic.dramonic wrote:I say we lynch Vaya.
It'll help enlighten connections between her and DGB
AND I dont want a DV in endgame.
Vote: Vaya
And then a few posts laterI'd vote devotress, but i like to hold off until i'm not behind in a game.
What was so much better about voting for EK despite being behind, compared to voting for me despite being behind? Ek had a larger wagon to join in on?Okay, unvote vote elvis_k.
Only on page 7 in mah read thru, hope theres a case on her.
I also disagree with myself. Seeing that he's at the bottom of the draft order nullifies that standard town-tell of mine. Besides his later contributions as scummy as all hell.Plum wrote:Disagree with DGB that Dram's unprompted VT claim is a clear indication of Townieness. At all.
Point taken. I didn't know that.Plum wrote:Also strongly disagree with DGB's premise for calling Tony scum. I've seen Tony do setup tests before (admittedly he was scum there, but the tests weren't initiated by the scumteam as a whole and it struck me as just a general tendency of his as any alignment in a game suitable for such tests).
It comes off as if dramonic thinks EK is scum because of the avatar, which is a null tell. I don't come on this site to look at scantily-clad women either, but I don't judge people's scumminess by their avatars. It's kind of hard to win that way.Plum wrote:- Coug, what specifically did you find scummy about Dram's illogical (to paraphrase you) attempt to get rid of EK's avatar? Scum gut here, this may be part of it, more when Coug responds.
So are you arguing that it's a bad of an idea for an SK to claim cop as to claim vig?Plum wrote:-Yeah but it also encourages SK death so itStrangerCoug wrote:Seeing as the cop can't detect the SK in this game, I beg to differ. SK can pick cop, produce truthful results, and not worry too much about a lynch. It's an effective safeclaim and encourages the SK to scumhunt.isn'ta very effective SK claim so it isn't an effective SK pick like Vig or Bulletproof. EDIT: Vi put it more colorfully than I did.
Which one of us?Budja wrote:Iffy on SC. Seems like his regular play to me.
I thought it was obvious that his mention of the avatar was a joke, not a reason for his vote. It may have been somewhat misplaced, but I didn't find it joke particularly scummy- dramonic often votes without reason, if I recall his meta correctly. Other parts of his play have been a bit scummy, but not this.StrangerCoug wrote:It comes off as if dramonic thinks EK is scum because of the avatar, which is a null tell. I don't come on this site to look at scantily-clad women either, but I don't judge people's scumminess by their avatars. It's kind of hard to win that way.Plum wrote:- Coug, what specifically did you find scummy about Dram's illogical (to paraphrase you) attempt to get rid of EK's avatar? Scum gut here, this may be part of it, more when Coug responds.
Geeze, can you be more opportunistic? I said I was V/LA.Cobalt wrote:super protown scumhunting cobalt has found scum in benmage's lurkiness and voting a claimed cop
unvote vote benmage
fun fact- his vote on elvis was his only vote aside from a policy vote for chamber in his first post
I wanted EK lynched. So since i was going away, i wanted to help the game see her lynched.Devotress wrote:Actually I'm curious about benmage now too. I just read through his posts because of cobalt bringing him up up there.
What changed between you saying
And then a few posts laterI'd vote devotress, but i like to hold off until i'm not behind in a game.
What was so much better about voting for EK despite being behind, compared to voting for me despite being behind? Ek had a larger wagon to join in on?Okay, unvote vote elvis_k.
Only on page 7 in mah read thru, hope theres a case on her.
unvote
Vote Benmagep
Now that you are back, and have presumably read the thread ,who do you currently find scummy?Benmage wrote:I wanted EK lynched. So since i was going away, i wanted to help the game see her lynched.Devotress wrote:Actually I'm curious about benmage now too. I just read through his posts because of cobalt bringing him up up there.
What changed between you saying
And then a few posts laterI'd vote devotress, but i like to hold off until i'm not behind in a game.
What was so much better about voting for EK despite being behind, compared to voting for me despite being behind? Ek had a larger wagon to join in on?Okay, unvote vote elvis_k.
Only on page 7 in mah read thru, hope theres a case on her.
unvote
Vote Benmagep
I don't think wagons with probable scum on them are necessarily bad, remembering that they are also scum hunting (and scum hunting significantly more info than us)Plum wrote: All the wagons on players I find scummy are populated by scummish or shady players and all the players I feel are town are on wagons I wouldn't want to vote ('cept BC, but he's not a top-tier scumpick).
I disagree somewhat. I think that the roles of cop, tracker, watcher, bomb and are all more useful than any scum role.Plum wrote:- Fishy, the problem with having a bias against going after high-in-the-draft guys is just what you said: there are a bunch of roles extremely helpful to the Town and not so much for scum, but there are roles which conversely are pretty damn useful to scum and not so much as Town. Also it's pretty obvious what Seacore-scum would have done after his massclaim idea went through had that come to pass: make sure to kill the guys outed as most likely to be useful PRs.
It's true that they're scumhunting. But their info is exclusively about not lynching their own team. So it's going to be monumentally unhelpful for us.Seacore wrote:I don't think wagons with probable scum on them are necessarily bad, remembering that they are also scum hunting (and scum hunting significantly more info than us)