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empirical evidence shows that if korts and i are in the same game, he is always scum
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who's twito? [/worthless newb]soi soi soi
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i love starting wagons
dgb, who do you think is most likely town?
vollkan, who do you think is most likely town?
kison, what do you think of bm?soi soi soi
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i'm on that shortlist why?destructor wrote:We should let the SK kill some Mafia for us first.
1. roflcopter
2. Yosarian2
3. Raging Rabbit
4. Kison
more interestingly, yosarian is on that list why?soi soi soi
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cause yos hadn't even posted yet. it would have been interesting if the list had anything to do with things going on in this game, but it turns out it didn't, it was just random.des wrote:You are the four I've never played with before.
Why is it more interesting that Yos was on the list?soi soi soi
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i broadly agreeDrippingGoofball wrote:Destructor is 100% town.soi soi soi
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yeah i'm a person not an expression of mildly amused dismissal. though sometimes i'm that too.soi soi soi
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fair nuff
out of curiousity, who do you think is the most pro town at this momentsoi soi soi
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unvote, vote: ckd
scum hate it so much when town starts clearing other town, it makes it so much harder to get mislynchessoi soi soi
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scum also love to be able to call any vote on themselves omgus
acting protown and being protown are different things. i'm not sure how my sk performance is of any relevance here. you'd have to ask other players in that game if i was scummy.soi soi soi
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what? being scum versus acting scum? what are you even talking about?
its a page 5 gut read. sound familiar?
and yes, as the sk i legitimately hunted scum and was, in general, quite pro town, except for the unfortunate fact that my win condition was solo. but i'm still lost as to how that game has any bearing on this discussion.soi soi soi
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this one's for realDrippingGoofball wrote:Now I'm confused.
Because I caught all three scum, and now there's a fourth.
CKD...soi soi soi
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i'm not about to give a playbook as to what makes someone seem protown to me. you're trying really hard to make this about something it isn't. bringing in the sk game, for example, is an unnecessary distraction.soi soi soi
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please note how ckd's insistence that i must be buddying up to des is pretty much admitting that he knows des is townsoi soi soi
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ckd, gut (page 5)..couple posts caught my attention...ckd wrote:Des, gut (page 4)..couple posts caught my attention...soi soi soi
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god what an astute comment! des isdestructor wrote:DGB said rofl and I are 100% town, which seems a bigger statement than rofl ever made. I'm wondering why ckd and Kison are making rofl the bigger deal here and in fact saying nothing about DGB at all.sotown its like blindingly obvious.
so you think avoiding any question ever is automatically a scumtell? thats just an unreasonable statement.korts wrote:Avoidance of them, however minor or pointless they seem to be, is a scumtell...
yes this is true...and is done for a reason
dgb and vollkan were two people i personally found marginally more likely than average to be protown at that stage, and i wanted their opinions on whoIncidentally, rofl, you may now answer.theythought likely to be protown because i like to see scum squirm if townspeople start to recognize one another early. as happened.
on a related note, vollkan's answer was legitimate, but not what i had been looking for. too late now though.
and ckd, i have been saying that my town read on des is a gut read just like your scum read on me is, not that my vote on you is gut. my vote on you is perfectly well reasoned, and has nothing to do with oh my god sucking you.
kison deserves some closer scrutinysoi soi soi
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whats the difference, exactly?SensFan wrote:I actually agree with ckd on all of this. Having a gut scum read on page 4-5 is not the same at alll of claiming to have a gut town read on page 3.soi soi soi
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and why does townie need quotation marks but scummy doesn't?SensFan wrote:See something scummy and you can get a gut scum read.
Seeing something 'townie' can hardly lead to a gut town read.soi soi soi
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i think its in our best interest to reach a lynch in this game before deadline (well before deadline, ideally) to give scum less time to make an optimal kill or possibly catch them off guard and deprive them of a kill altogether.soi soi soi
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you pretty well demonstrate why with the rest of what follows in your postKison wrote:
Why?roflcopter wrote:kison deserves some closer scrutiny
this smells an awful lot like a chainsaw defense of ckdroflcoptor wrote:and ckd, i have been saying that my town read on des is a gut read just like your scum read on me is, not that my vote on you is gut. my vote on you is perfectly well reasoned, and has nothing to do with oh my god sucking you.
He's so town that it's blindingly obvious, yet it's also unexplainable because it's a gut read?roflcoptor wrote:god what an astute comment! des issotown its like blindingly obvious.
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thats a nice excuse for selectively persecuting one person instead of another for doing the same thing. what makes me any less "zany" than dgb?
I had contemplated it, but I've played with DrippingGoofball before. She's crazy(I say this lovingly) and does that sort of thing. Note she 'pegged' the three scum and Serial Killer. A very similar line of thinking in the madness that is DrippingGoofball's mind. Simply put, I do not know how to deal with zany players like DrippingGoofball. It's like trying to deal with the Battle Mage version 1.0.destructor wrote:DGB said rofl and I are 100% town, which seems a bigger statement than rofl ever made. I'm wondering why ckd and Kison are making rofl the bigger deal here and in fact saying nothing about DGB at all.
i'll concede this point, your example persuades me i was wrong
And what does less time mean for Town? Less time to reach an optimal lynch. Read this. Similar strategy. Catastrophic consequences.roflcopter wrote:i think its in our best interest to reach a lynch in this game before deadline (well before deadline, ideally) to give scum less time to make an optimal kill or possibly catch them off guard and deprive them of a kill altogether.soi soi soi
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kison, your post 138 originally got my attention, thus the statement that you deserved some scrutiny, and your following post confirmed that theory for mesoi soi soi
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this page has suddenly experienced an explosion of noise from battle mage with very little signalsoi soi soi
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oh yeah i almost forgot about bm's conviction that ckd is protown
ckd, kison: how does bm's declaration that ckd is protown differ from my own about des, and why has it gone ignored by you two up to this point?soi soi soi
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if this is all you think the case on ckd is, you obviously didn't actually bother to read my posts. please do so before you accuse me of contributing garbage.guardian wrote:I am very unconvinced by the case on CKD, and mention this because I think it is mostly wasting our time . Is the case anything more than him having a strong gut read early in the game, and saying so? If it is please enlighten me. If not, please move on.soi soi soi
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100% minus BMElmo wrote:So what percentage of the last nine pages are actually worth reading?soi soi soi
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i'd like kison and ckd to come back and continue making themselves obvioussoi soi soi
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a few extremely pro town des quotes
destructor wrote:Korts, do you think asking someone who they this is town is a scumtell?
directed at korts, shows a keen eye for korts getting hung up on my questions and a depth of curiosity consistent with a solid pro town scumhunter. his questions are relevant and get straight to the heart of the matter, and offer a great opportunity to examine both korts and ckd's possible alignments as well as the relation between their alignments.destructor wrote:Is anything interesting you besides rofl's question?
How about ckd unvoting you?
rather than be dissuaded by korts explanation, which was both insufficient and in parts answering on behalf of ckd (*scummy*), destructor delves further into it.If ckd is scum, is his vote still random?
He didn't say why he voted for rofl either, so why say that was a better place for his vote?
I can understand asking rofl that question the first time. I don't see as much merit in persisting for an answer like you have, though. I'm not convinced that your play so far is pro-town, so I wonder about ckd leaving your wagon.
this whole post is just made of win. des highlights the weaknesses in ckd's position from several angles, with solid evidence backing himself up, and probes further by questioning ckd in regards to korts, showing how he is still investigating the connection between these two players, exactly as a legitimately curious townsperson would.destructor wrote:
Whether this is what's happening here or not, if you swap bussing with distancing, what DGB says has merit. A Mafiate can die and still win. SKs need to stay alive, so implying that you're willing to be lynched is alluding to not having survival in your win condition.vollkan wrote:
I'd strongly encourage any SK/s to adopt this excellent strategy.DGB wrote: Also, it's self-bus'ing. I mean, he can only bus himself. He's doing it to get town cred in case he goes down in flames.
I think rofl's "clearing" of me is being blown out of proportion. I said I'm not sure of what rofl meant, but I have an idea of what rofl's train of thought was. I'm not saying more than that because it's not my place to speak for him.
I think it's an unreasonably reachy argument. There is no reason arguments and cases have to be weak just because it's early in the game. What you're doing isn't even prodding and probing.ckd wrote:and Des, you are voting me why?..becauase you think it is noise?
I don't buy this. It's like you're saying you're only testing the waters. Here are some quotes:These all sound like you're definitely accusing rofl of being scum, more than just sniffing around.ckd wrote:I stated several times it wasnt a case...I am not trying to parade it as anything else
What do you make of Korts' contributions before page 5?ckd wrote:it looks like someone trying to LOOK like they are doing something without really doing anything.
directed at korts again, simply brilliant. korts and ckd are all sorts of scum together.ckd saying ""vote is boring... and I think lacking" only tells me that he didn't think he should vote for you anymore. You aren't curious about what reason he had to vote rofl in the first place? You've said his vote is OMGUS, but he voted rofl before they started their exchange. ckd can't justify his vote retrospectively and you're ignoring this.
incredibly protown to point out the obvious double standard, and on top of that des was the first one to say anything about this inconsistency.destructor wrote:DGB said rofl and I are 100% town, which seems a bigger statement than rofl ever made. I'm wondering why ckd and Kison are making rofl the bigger deal here and in fact saying nothing about DGB at all.
in closing, des shows the curiosity and determination of true scumhunting, something that is very close to impossible to fake so convincingly, and he's casting his net wide enough that he isn't ignoring other things that go on. scum don't scumhunt - scum try to look like they're scumhunting. des is actually scumhunting, and a read of him is peppered with other very pro town odds and ends, therefore des is not scum.
hopefully that "nips things in the bud"soi soi soi
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so, now that i've pointed out why i find des to be so protown, are you gonna stop voting me, or are you gonna manufacture another reason to keep your vote where it is?kison wrote:Also, the reason I switched my vote to you is because you've shown resistance to multiple requests that you point out what Destructor has done to make you feel so certain he's town. That leads me to believe you simply said it without meaning it. Instead, ever since I pointed out that one thing I disliked, you've taken the stance that I'm scumnage rather than address my concern.
love the graphic thoughsoi soi soi
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korts just earned back a bit of town cred, and is v right about guardiansoi soi soi
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so i read a game once where scum elmo almost lurked to victory. does anyone have a good town elmo meta?
nice birds thoughsoi soi soi
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active lurking + only participating in order to self defend
yeah, elmo's probably scum heresoi soi soi
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i'm not convinced yos is aware the game actually started.Battle Mage wrote:@Korts, Roflcopter - Why arent you voting for Yosarian2? What is your view of his lurking here?
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and my vote has a very happy home already, i don't have any reason to go on a lurkerhunt.soi soi soi
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i agree with most of what dgb has been saying
aside from the vollkan bit, which i hope she's just joking about
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kison?
korts?
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oh, also add
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to the bottom of that list. i almost forgot he was even in the game he's added so littlesoi soi soi
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i don't, and i'm not, but what heBattle Mage wrote:
I thought you didnt want to go on a lurkerhunt?roflcopter wrote:oh, also add
sensfan?
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BMhasadded has been scummy. but well done defending him by trying to undermine the validity of my calling him scummy. thats pretty damn scummy in itself on your part.
bmscum exponentially increases the chances of sensfanscum, and vice versasoi soi soi
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thats cute, scumElmo wrote:roflcopter wrote:scum list:
ckd ✔
guardianX
elmoX
bm?X
kison? ✔
korts? ✔
sensfan? ✔soi soi soi
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god, i keep pointing out how much scum love to try and undermine other peoples' town reads, and they just keep doing it anyway. it makes them so obvious.Battle Mage wrote:
2 words. NULL. TELL.Korts wrote:
The fact that she actively pursues her suspicions.RR wrote:What makes you read DGB as pro town?
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and elmo, how would you know anything about who is and isn't scum if you have no plans to actually read the thread until page 20?
oh i know, because you're scum, so you can just manufacture checks and xes at your whim, placing some scumpartners in the check column and some in the x column to keep us guessing.
shouldn't have admitted that you had no intention to actually read the thread yet before you pulled that little stunt thoughsoi soi soi
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you seem to be the one who is panicking, chainsaw defending sens against a suspicion that didn't even come with a vote attached.Battle Mage wrote:
Lol, CALM DOWN DEAR!roflcopter wrote:
i don't, and i'm not, but what heBattle Mage wrote:
I thought you didnt want to go on a lurkerhunt?roflcopter wrote:oh, also add
sensfan?
to the bottom of that list. i almost forgot he was even in the game he's added so little
BMhasadded has been scummy. but well done defending him by trying to undermine the validity of my calling him scummy. thats pretty damn scummy in itself on your part.
bmscum exponentially increases the chances of sensfanscum, and vice versa
You said you didnt want to string up a lurker because you already had a good suspect. Then you suggest a lurker, and offer no reasoning other than 'hes a lurker'. What else do you expect me to think?
Unvote, Vote: Roflcopter
You seem panicked.
BMsoi soi soi
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i disagree with your town read on ckd, but i didn't try to call into question your reasons for believing ckd to be town, as you're doing with korts' reasons for believing dgb is town.Battle Mage wrote:
vote stands. I'm sorry if you resent the fact that i'll pick apart BS when i see it. Actually, i'm not. And i dont suppose you were one of the people who questionned my town read on CKD?roflcopter wrote:
god, i keep pointing out how much scum love to try and undermine other peoples' town reads, and they just keep doing it anyway. it makes them so obvious.Battle Mage wrote:
2 words. NULL. TELL.Korts wrote:
The fact that she actively pursues her suspicions.RR wrote:What makes you read DGB as pro town?
BM
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literally minutes ago you gave BM an X on my scum list, as in "you are incorrect about BM being scum."Elmo wrote:BM, stop living up to your title.soi soi soi
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i don't think your criticism was either honest or correctsoi soi soi
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stop trying to get my vote off your scumpartner ckdsoi soi soi
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well, i believe i commented on the scummy things they were doing in situ, and the order is just my own personal weighting, but i disagree with you whole heartedly that this sort of posting is completely useless. the more transparent we all are with our current opinions on other players, the easier it becomes to track possible connections and spot inconsistencies. but i don't want to drag you into yet another theory debate, this game already has far too many of those going on.vollkan wrote:Please explain why each is scummy, and why that order. Otherwise, cease and desist from this sort of posting because it is completely useless.soi soi soi
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define meta-townish. because it sounds mostly like an excuse for you to ignore whatever scummy things bm does.elmo wrote:BM seems meta-townish.soi soi soi
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see the bottom of page six/top of page sevenvollkan wrote:How has what Sensfan has said thus far been scummy?
because he wasn't just criticising it, he was mischaracterizing it as a lurkerhunt, which makes it sound like it doesn't have any basis in sens' actions. but if you'll do as i suggested with the quote right above this you'll see that it does in fact have a basis in sens' actions, and i was on his case when they were happening.vollkan wrote:How is BM criticising an attack scummy?soi soi soi
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you are really good at framing your statements in such a way that they sound really damning without having actually proven anything.Battle Mage wrote:i should also point out that you appear to have the preconception that i am going to do scummy things. I find it hard to believe that an open minded townie would have that approach.
BM
i had no preconceptions about you or anyone else coming into this game. i am observing in the process of doing scummy things here.soi soi soi
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i am observing *you* in the process of doing scummy things here, that should saysoi soi soi
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where did i ever say i assume you will behave in a scummy way?soi soi soi
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as in, he's ignoring all of the scummy things you've done, by saying he has a "meta-town" read on yousoi soi soi
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wouldn't that require me to be voting you and not voicing my suspicions of a number of other players concurrently? do you think before you accuse me of things?bm wrote:Tunnel vision much?soi soi soi
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you must be the one with the guilty conscience, bm, because i was referring to how scummy you had already looked, not how scummy you'd look in the future. but you're doing a great job of continuing to look scummy. carry on.soi soi soi
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see the key word in that sentence is "can."bm wrote:In an instant, the future can become the present. 'Does' can be used in the future tense.soi soi soi
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