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Vote: Moses le fou
I am not going to vote for a rope or gun at the moment because now it just seems to mess with other player's abilities to find scummy tells when they have become much too reliant on these abrasive lynch methods.[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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[q]This, I don't like. The Gun/Rope vote is very linked to people possibly being scum. Avoiding it = bad. [/q]
How do you get this? I'm just being honest. Why should I vote for something when people are just going to point the finger at me? At least have a reason to FoS me if you're just going to say, "Hey, look at that apple among the apples in that barrel! I'm going to choose this one for the hell of it!"
Basically, why is my vote/unvote more suspicious than others who have voted or unvoted the same material? Since the day is not ending soon, why do I need to be immediately hasty and appease everyone with a vote that doesn't matter at the moment? We have time to make up for that.
Also, I want to make a collaborative effort and make sure there is a good reason to have a vote for whatever particular lynch method; that would be working together to find scum this day and then deciding on a method, or am I shooting blanks with this logic?
Can we make a list of priorities?
1) Lets hold off methods until we decide to lynch someone.
2) Lets pick a method and have a good reason to choose just that method.
3) Lets pick a method and someone to vote for immediately.
Option 3 just seems too hasty, IMO. The other two are satisfactory, and perhaps more preferable.
As for my 'bandwagon' vote I didn't want to be redundant in saying 'to add some pressure'.[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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Unvote: Moses le fou.
I can't help myself. The claim for having a mason and NOT knowing the other mason's alignment bugs me. Is there more we can break from this? Obviously the plain fact that they're masons we would naturally assume they would both be town aligned, but adding in the fact that they do not know each other's alignment makes me a lot more skeptical. I mean, what good is having this ability? EX: If I were in CarnCarn/armlx's shoes why not just talk in the game thread to each other?
Basically, what are the pros and cons of this claim?[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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Just thought I would also throw it out there...
I have been examining Riceballtail's play and I am impressed with his performance. I'm not sure whether I want to follow it or not. There is nothing ambiguous at all in his posting skills. Its either a very good scum poster, or a very careful power role. I aspire to play this way :p[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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RE: Riceballtail
Because its good play, but not entirely dismissible as pro town or scummy. So, with that being said, I will watch carefully.[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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Maybe because I have a very similar role to what you two have claimed. Though, in this case, I do not advise my 'mason' to announce it now.[/quote]I'm down with the Santos wagon. The last 4 posts have been buddying, going from poking suspicion at my/CC's role to "believing it entirely", and distancing from a wagon.[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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Did you 'Choose Carefully' in saying that or did you just completely hop the fence and come to that conclusion?Santos, if that is indeed your role, step up. In that case its pretty much confirmed due to set up symmetry being cool that one of each group is scum.[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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So you're still happy to lynch me without having a thoughtful accusation? I need discourse and a cookie!1) If Santos isn't scum, this all doesn't matter.[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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This is about the most legitimate and concrete thing I have seen this entire thread.STD, I don't think the order really matters that much because if we lynch a scum immune to the method, then it will be obvious. Unless it becomes clear that someone is scum of a definate group, I don't see how it matters which order we settle on method and player.[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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I'm happy to answer because I have no problem answering whatever you have to inquire about:Are you or are you not also an unconfirmed mason?
I am a mason as described by you two people earlier, but why should I ask for him to come out? Yes, at this juncture it means I am unconfirmed, but why the hell should I appease just you that is hammering me most about it?[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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I can definitely say that we do not know each others' alignment. Furthermore, I have not even contacted said mason yet because it is not night, obviously; and I have no idea what we would talk about anyway.Santos, can you definately say that you don't know the alignment of your mason buddy and that they don't know yours? If this is the case, I don't see any reason to reveal any more information right now.[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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Save the Dragon, I said nitpicky because I had already explained everything I can. Unless you know something more? Enlighten me please.[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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Yes, and one in particular is how hasty people are to get vote happy when certain things have not been discussed to the fullest.Really? Because there are a lot of ambiguities I have not seen answered.
ex: Someone mentioned how a scum would avoid a particular lynch method, or WIFOM vote for their lynch method that is sure to kill them. Right? Wasn't this brought up? Well, did anyone ask if scum REALLY know what it is that they would be more susceptible to? If there are different lynch methods, then why would scum be privy to such information beforehand in a voting scheme? Answer that one and you get a million ducks!
As I recall, I was the SECOND vote on Moses and it was purely random, again, but I mentioned I didn't want to sound redundant later because it would appear scummy. But if someone throws in their little tid-bit about 'WIFOM'Why did you vote Moses, citing as your evidence for voting him a bandwagon/pressure vote, when Moses had no votes at the time, and you didn't give any reason for wanting to pressure Moses?someonemy get nitpicky and have a hay-day with it.
No particular reason. I just wanted to mention Riceballtail's ability to stay behind the scenes and at the same time be omnipresent throughout the thread...its either a good scum tactic, or a strong pro town power role being conservative...you take your pick.Why did you unvote him after nothing had happened?
Read above.Why did you arbitrarily commend RBT's play when it has not been all the great in the opinions of other players? Why RBT specifically, why at the time, what specifically (i.e. examples) about his play has been good?
What did I need to provide to anyone when I was asking the questions that no one seemed to be answering (I'm talking to the people who have votes on me).Why do you ask me for discourse when you don't provide it yourself? Why do you accuse me of lynching you with no evidence when you claim that I have said stuff (but it's already been explained)?
So far, Your evidence against me is that I
1) random vote
2) unvote a lynch method
3) mention a player's playing abilities
4) hammer me for my mason partner when its purely not even needed
5) Ask me for a specific role in which I was PMed and I ANSWERED
6) And still think I have not answered anything to the fullest.
I'm here. I've answered questions. I don't believe I deserve so many votes. The only people who have constantly badgered me for information are armlx and Save the Dragons...the other voters on my person have not said a word! Whats the deal?
Yes, I mentioned this because I was not going to jump right in and say 'OMG I HAVE THE SAME ROLE' I wanted to test the water with the people who claimed to have the same ability I did. Why can I not do this? If armlx and CarnCarn ARE really masons, why not speculate about the ability to see if its true what they are saying? That's what you guys seem to have done to me, no; speculating as to whether I am lying or not?The claim for having a mason and NOT knowing the other mason's alignment bugs me.
It doesn't have to appeal to you. It is strict in the fact that I am a 'neighbor' and my mason's alignment is unknown. If you're going to make up other things about my role email, then you might as well throw an 'OMGUS' at me as well! :pYour role PM better say that your buddy is confirmed, or I'm probably not taking my vote off you. I'm not really sure how you can be bugged by someone having your own role.
Read above...I've explained it that I was merely speculating because I thought it strange that multiple mason groups would exist...wouldn't you be a tad suspicious seeing this (mason partners, alignment unknown, restricted to night talking)? It seemed to much of a coincidence right? But maybe there are multiple mason groups...maybe there aren't. All I can say is that I believe armlx and CarnCarn.This really bothers me in context of things you've you said.
IMO, this seems to demand a lot more than you need to know, especially since you think I should be NK'd. And where do you get the idea of 'confirmations'? As I see it, there are TWO mason groups claimed on the table...myself and CarnCarn/armlx...right? (thinking about it...i may have armlx mentioned, but it could be someone else...i don't remember who CarnCarn said was his mason). Anways, couldn't it be possible that a Sicilian might be a mason with a townie and a Corsican might be a mason with another townie? So how does lynching me confirm anything of my mason partner? All that would do is either:I agree with armlx here. Now that Santos has already 'revealed' that he's a mason, he already has a higher chance of being NK'ed. If there isn't a third mason it doesn't matter if Santos reveals or doesn't reveal his partner as Santos can get NK'ed and his partner changes in a normal townie.
I would like to know who his partner is. If his partner can confirm that they are masons, then we at least know there's another mason group. Now there's still a chance of him lying.
A) Prove that my other mason partner is scum when I am revealed townie
B) Prove nothing at all that my other mason is scum because he could be townie as well. The whole predicament is whether we need to 'Choose Carefully' IN OUR ASSUMPTIONS!
This makes a good point. So I will mentioned his name for my own sake (hopefully) and for your sake if you're going to lynch me and go into the night knowing that you lynched me, but never got my mason's name. (oEJo)I have a feel that because Santos's partner hasn't stepped up, he is probably just scum and no buddy wants to be linked like that.
I believe you are just being a hasty scum, amirite?I want this over with as this is only distracting.
Let me know if I missed any.Not to mention that he hasn't answered any of the other questions that have been posed to him.[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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ORLY? I'm glad it took much speculation to come to that conclusion. Just know that you will be looked at closely the next day, if not the night.Since I'm town, Santos is scum due do that reasoning.
FoS: oEJo
Vote: Rope. Why, now? Well, CarnCarn brought up a pretty solid point making me think that its plain jane mafia now...
Rope lynches scum, gun kills townies. Why would it be the other way around?[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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Well, I am glad someone read and answered my long post, thank you Save the Dragon...I actually think more highly of you because I had retrospectively thought I brought up some good points regarding my role and the game mechanics.
So why is oEJo off the list as a scum bandwagoner? He didn't have much to say and what he said is in no way concrete evidence that I am scum!If he were scum and he believed this, then if/when I am lynched and flip town, then he would be an obvious target. However, since I know I'm town and that armlx would only say what he said if he were town, I'm thinking we are a town-town mason pair.[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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Can someone remind me what was the role name of CC and armlx? I looked through the thread and couldn't find it.
Odd, considering I am the only one to claim 'Neighbor', right? It seems my lynch party ignored this claim and gave me no leniency...I don't recall them saying either.[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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so you believe oEJo and I are the S1 and S2 group while armlx and CarnCarn are the T1 and T2? How the hell can you prove this as well as prove me scum? I would like to know that.[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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I also don't understand why my cooperation with everyone who asked me anything makes me scum. I am pretty sure I participated in everything that was asked of me (except maybe some minor details, which if you don't mind pointing out to me, I wouldn't mind answering).
Other than that, I seriously don't understand where you guys have concrete information fingering me as scum.[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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I explained my logic about the game mechanics right after that post,sir.
So if you're going to lynch a townie, you might as well do it with a rope. That is the only dignified way I can go down. (Now you might think 'OMG, he is using reverse psychology because he is really a scum trying to get us to not use his REAL method!)
Whatever, as Kimbo Slice once said, "It is what it is."[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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This pertains no logic whatsoever, IMO, because I could have not cooperated at all and other people would have considered me scummy.Actually, your co-operation is the one scummy thing you have done in my mind. I'm still waiting to hear what the others have.[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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I just can't believe oEJo was so quick to put me on the stocks...I mean, why not try chatting one night with each other at all? How can he assume such simple logic that I am scum without referring to anything else?[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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No. I voted for gun as a lynch method in the beginning. The mod did not count my vote when he made the next vote count, so I informed him of this. Later, I unvoted everything because people thought I was too hasty or starting bandwagons, when in fact, I was not. I 'added pressure' but nothing else. Since random votes started I jumped on to get the ball rolling...and it seems that is why I am most scummy, but as I recall DAY 1's start. like. this.(Santos voted rope, mod said gun, santos said no rope)
Eventually, after following CarnCarn's logic about the game mechanics, I chose 'rope' because I figure since I am townie I might as well be lynched with a rope instead of being shot with a gun. So I voted rope.
Now, no one is giving me the benefit of a doubt that I am not scum and are just fine with lynching me based on simple day one mechanics of pressuring and bandwagons. There are no discrepancies I have made unless someone can point them out to which I can better explain them (although I have multiple times :/ )[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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Corsicans lynched by one method as opposed to the Sicilians being lynched by another. So I voted for rope because if you're going to lynch a townie, I might as well vote for how a townie should properly die: lynch.[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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Yes. What is the point of 'write-up flavor' if its not going to be of any use in the analysation of the game mechanics and player's posting styles?So you're saying that you've been running around in circles for the sake of write-up flavor?[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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If you honestly believe I am scum, then tell me which lynch method to vote for and I promise I will do it. What do YOU have to lose? I already know I'm lost.[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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Santos Mafia Scum
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I still maintain that I was the first mason to role claim 'Neighbor' and no one paid attention to that.
Save the Dragons, its too confusing to read what you thought of my statements, especially when they're not in chronological order. Wouldn't that make more sense in explaining the case against me chronologically instead of pulling my quotes and placing them in your explanation of how I am scummy? It comes off rather as an opinion as opposed to evidence, no?[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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Lol, I guess this doesn't really matter that I did that because you'll say 'scum could know that too.'I still maintain that I was the first mason to role claim 'Neighbor' and no one paid attention to that.
Santos - FAIL :p[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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why are you guys discussing something I already explained? They claimed to be uninformed masons so i wanted to speculate more on that before I claimed. Whats so hard to believe about that?[url=http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrazies/]zombie - The Crazies[/url]
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