NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[Bert]

Ok I'm in 3 games and this will now be my project for the rest of the school year

Live. Survive. Fight on in a huge game haha

[Bert]

wow this game is active and cool with two meta-ing people ffery and falcon

i totally didnt look at this game prior to replacing in, i almost signed up for this game when it was in sign-ups though

is that Cabd I see actually trying in a game? nice

[Bert]

if i cant catch up in time

im just gonna try to figure out if falcon is town, and then sheep him if i think so, i think

[Bert]

right, 93 pages into the game, i believe you man

[Bert]

ffery said "you are in luck because I am town" in our newbie together 1436, so that sounds town in my skewed logic ways FWIW lol...

im totally doodling but i am about to skim

P-edit yes that would help

[Bert]

oops wait no that was 1415, bad number memory

FFERY I WANT YOU TO BE TOWN SOOOOOOOOO BAD. Oh and Popcorn and Masons/Monks aren't games I'm fond of haha but you modded it so that made the games much more interesting than they would have been!

You're in luck! I hope I am.

(I only modded the masons and monk game. Human Destroyer was the Popcorn mod)

[Bert]

since you don't really know who is scum, if you're town then I guess scum would logically be playing well and probably be strong players, of which there are a ton in this game, so...BRR

[Bert]

quoted in my own ISO for reference:

Spoiler:

THIS IS NOT A SERIATIM LIST

Town

1. Tammy - p much strongest town read.
4. MC Maraca (Cabd + Ms Marangal) - lots of footnotes but we're here for now. Would like to hear what the point of the crumb gambit was.
5. F-16_Fighting_Falcon - Nati feels stronger about this read than ffery does, but both are pretty comfortable at this point.
9. Stuffed Crust (Mac + Varsoon) - unless GiF says otherwise.
13. KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) - this read could go stale fast, though. Right now, they're almost on a par with Tammy as far as ffery is concerned.
18. DOMO - for ffery this read weakened a little. Listening to Mara for now.

Maybe Town

3. Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665) - both of us are happier with Nacho's posts over the last couple of days, particularly the strong flashes of sincerity. But, as ffery mentioned in an earlier post many of the subjects where sincerity shined through are alignment neutral. ffery maintains some caution.
7. Ser Arthur Dayne

pitoli

- we had pitoli in scumpile, but replace-out moves her/SAD up considerably. We really liked his opening. Should probably move him to top tier, but ffery wants more data first.
11. BROseidon - we can see town and scum motivations for going along with the gambit, and feel like he's coasting a bit on the perceived boost in townread
14. goodmorning - somebody else sort her please :/
15. Sakura Hana - could see a scum team with Sakura and pieguyn actually. Nati would move her to not so town.
19. Cephrir - both of us are seeing more scumrir flickers than cephtown flickers as the day has progressed. Would consider moving him down a grouping.

Not so Town

6. Generic - engagement, comments on game state seem meh to me. Will go with what Nati thinks.
10. pieguyn

SonOfZeus

- for ~reasons~. Want to see how this develops.
12. Brian Skies - almost in not enough data, but his edgy tone concerns me. I can see it coming from a town place, maybe, kinda, but not convinced.
20. Desperado - such a huge and intentional meta change feels town, but I dunno. ffery might go for the maybe town group based on the unabashed playstyle change-up. Nati believing des-posts for a second right now

Null or Not enough data

REPLACEMENT

roflcopter

- ffery has one prior game, which was also fast moving. He was town. If he bitched about the thread speed and length, it certainly wasn't the bulk of his input.
17. zMuffinMan

talah

- This doesn't look like his town game so far. Also doesn't look at all like his replace-in scum game. Still evaluating.

I wonder what gambits Cabd has done hmm to make you all so suspicious of him

[Bert]

Who played in Hrry otter with me? Did Tammy get defensive/upset like this?

Whoever wrote this makes me feel weird

So you do believe that the scumteam is formed of "Nacho and a bunch of lurkers"? Meaning if you're wrong on me, your scumteam is... "a bunch of lurkers"?

this is like totally a valid concern but it's weird of a person named Nacho to ask something like that

Sorry skimming randomly at this point guys cuz idk what's going on

also is it just me or is Broseidon's ISO pretty underwhelming...it's almost like Empire lurking as scum or something and doing as little as possible

[Bert]

Nacho and I made a peace treaty to not nightkill each other if one of us is scum.

that's silly

[Bert]

yeah, KoreanBBQ's ISO feels fake as heck. I just looked at who that hydra is.

GIF what is wrong with you, hope all those posts were Nero or else we will have issues?

[Bert]

Just skimmed that Stuffed Crust hydra person too. That person is melodramatic or overdramatizing sorta

Quoted for Bert's reference:

Spoiler:

I stole this from a guy.

Town:

Generic- Purty town.
Stuffed Crust (Mac + Varsoon) - I'm town.
MafiaSSK - Has dropped off the face of the planet. Town due to wagon interaction (his wagon feels scum-motivated, etc)
geists (fferyllt + Natirasha) - Super chill, strong-town read from Mac and I.
F-16_Fighting_Falcon - Coherent and stuff. Feels town. Isn't taking advantage of the latest wagons.
BROseidon - Strong town from Mac and I.
Cephrir - Don't like him. He's maybe town.
DOMO - Thought he was scum for awhile, but he feels pretty town now.

Meh:

roflcopter - Very meh, hasn't done anything worth noticing.
goodmorning - Occasionally gets pretty sassy, but feels less involved.
zMuffinMan- Isn't taking all the risks I usually associate with town-muffin. Dunno.
Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665) - Looking back at our QT, Mac's warming to the idea of Casso being town, but I think they're too carefully poised to be town. Scum-reading this, personally.

Not so Town:

pieguyn - reeks of the town pieguyn I remember, but his vote patterns are awkward.
Sakura Hana - Pretty scummy due to votes, interaction, lurkdom, etc.
MC Maraca (Cabd + Ms Marangal) - Feels scum. Hung up on the reads thing.
KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) - Has taken too much of a back seat. GiF hasn't danced with me yet. Probably scum.
Desperado - Lacks Desperation, reeks of scum-desp, weird voting patterns.

In this game?

Brian Skies - Who?
Tammy - Who the fuck is Tammy?
pitoli - wait, who?

My problem with MC Maraca's list is that it didn't shake up the status quo. It was milquetoast and read, to me, more like a reflection of the game so far and less like an independent reads-list.

[Bert]

Tammy:

I'm voting who I think is scum; not who I think is getting way too hot and bothered because "omfg how dare they read me wrong don't they know I'm innocent child" You can take your burden of proficiency at reading you onto your plane with you. And lose it in the luggage sorting area. In the great words of andrius, "The only innocents are bodies"

I won't pretend to understand exactly what mara did with you; and I personally think it was a bit over the top; but this is a game. Anything and everything that helps me, or my partner, get a read is fair game to me so long as it falls in the game's rules.

hey look, this is pretty sincere sounding from this hydra.

but also it's like in their ISO they are trying hard to be like endearing or something, a cute way or charming way to interact with people. It's a side I don't usually see from Mara/Cabd as much, which makes me feel a little weird too

weird is my cliché word of the day, sorry guys, and yeah i will tone down the spam once i feel like im in the game yeahhhhh....

[Bert]

Hi cabd and Mara!!!

It's your favorite lynchbait here.

Vote: MC MARACA

Gutshot, looks like Falcon isn't helping me by telling me who's scum. Bert was eager and now is disappointed. Also, does anyone feel Mara has been like...not here, which... bah humbug

And so I continue reading!

[Bert]

yeah, KoreanBBQ's ISO feels fake as heck. I just looked at who that hydra is.

GIF what is wrong with you, hope all those posts were Nero or else we will have issues?

A lot of posts were made by me.

Here's a quick recap about what happened to GIF:
1. He first struggled to stay with the game's flow.
2. He felt like now he ditched the desync phase and started to do something
3. Got depressed by ppl not recognizing it
4. Got drunk
5. Ditched his self-expectation
5. Went on long V/LA
6. Currently in "Fuck the world I'm just gonna do what my subconcious tells me to do" mode

Thank you so much. what was Cabd's gambits? And lemme take one wild guess - Sakura did some wild gambit too didnt she.... i would totally not be surprised

P-edit: HI SAKURA! I forgot you're in this game!

[Bert]

So. I'm like 35 pages behind in this game. I'm not reading those 35 pages. From what I've skimmed here and there it's mostly just self-important blather and spam that really does nothing.

wow you make me feel so much better dude I came in today like 93 pages behind,

maybe this is Masons and Serona 514 kinda bad D1 spam-wise and I won't stand out so much here hmmmm

[Bert]

You know I catch scum through POE right?

um no i thought you meta people and catch scum that way predominantly, but that's interesting to note

also i have a valid excuse to flatter you now, look at scummy nominations and the nths of best mafia catcher or rising star

/nuff said BAMBOOZLED

[Bert]

Hi Bert!

Hi I noticed you post here and there but you have no content since I entered the game.

Do you like... have scum reads and can you switch off SC kthx.

Hi Sir ummm

wow you remind me of Sword in the Stone

OK so yeah I don't know you

Tammy you can read Nero right?

Because I'm just gonna sheep your read on him.

haha but isn't Tammy voting someone else? Why sheep that person and not someone else she is scumreading, why Nero?

Also it's nice to feel comfortable when there's a lazy club around, but my worries are there's scum in it

[Bert]

Also my subconscious tells me to discredit bert's gut.

my subconscious tells me to give you a wedgie

[Bert]

I still don't have time for this shit, and getting lynched as town d1 is kinda my MO anyways, so if you can't wait for my finals week to be over then that's just too damn bad.

If you will brook a self meta counterargument, if I was scum I would care.

I guess ffery and cabd are voting me for being aggressive probably which is fair. They're probably town.

hey look someone had a very sour attitude

very Metaphe esque (only Cabd and Nacho might get this reference)

P-edit: OK, carry on lol

[Bert]

She's scumreading nero? I don't even know I'm just trying to get her read on him so I can actually put a read to that slot because I'm terrible at reading nero.

Nice dude, I've never played with Nero Cain before. Only time I've heard of the name Nero is when there was some troll in the Queue named Nero and he got banned or something

So this has to be a different Nero since it's Nero Cain I surmise

[Bert]

oh you're the one that got banned...

haha yeah look the other way and go to the refrigerator and pretend I said nothing, u ain't seen nothing my friend <333

[Bert]

Spoiler:

Also, could you be more on the fence?

Not so Town
6. Generic - engagement, comments on game state seem meh to me. Will go with what Nati thinks.
10. pieguyn SonOfZeus - for ~reasons~. Want to see how this develops.
12. Brian Skies - almost in not enough data, but his edgy tone concerns me. I can see it coming from a town place, maybe, kinda, but not convinced.
20. Desperado - such a huge and intentional meta change feels town, but I dunno. ffery might go for the maybe town group based on the unabashed playstyle change-up. Nati believing des-posts for a second right now

"Generic = meh, but its what the other head thinks im going with, not me
Pieguyn = 'resaons'
Brian skies = edgy tone but that could be town
Desperado = meta change feels town"

Woe, such a definitive scum list. vote stands.

OH MY GOSH GUYS it's a SCUM READS LIST

Holy *looks at Sakura who has no scum reads*

But the scumlist is from someone who thinks I'm super scummy as town no matter what, so I have a PREMONITION thata I will be on this scumlist soon...

lol. I'm being a jerk tonight I'm sorry, but this helps catch up in a game in a really snarky way :/ BAD BERT

[Bert]

Pie I always like your reads lists - just said that because you're PIE though. I did notice that you're going to great depths to help us read Sakura, which is kinda townie feeling I guess... all those links and stuff with Sakura's past games. that's pretty tight!

Spoiler:

town
1. Tammy
2. geists (fferyllt + Natirasha)
5. F-16_Fighting_Falcon
6. Generic
10. pieguyn SonOfZeus
11. BROseidon
14. goodmorning

null-town
4. MC Maraca (Cabd + Ms Marangal) <- was under town but F-16 makes a good point. I'd also like to know if Mara's reason for suspecting me is just paranoia or what
13. KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) <- meta read. not 100% sure due to lack of data
18. DOMO <- his logic held up in his interactions with SC and he looks town. I have a case of paranoia here bc I get the feeling a lot of the pressure on him wasn't useful in determining his alignment, but oh well

null
7. roflcopter <- not enough data
8. MafiaSSK roflwaffles <- he's done a lot but idk if any of it is alignment indicative. need more data here
9. Stuffed Crust (Mac + Varsoon) <- his reaction to the pressure on him seemed town, but him being scum would make sense in the case of Casso strongarm lynch.
12. Brian Skies <- he's being a giant lurkfuck when I'm not used to seeing from him.
16. Ser Arthur Dayne pitoli <- I'm willing to believe for now SAD is just a misguided townie, cause I'm finding it hard to believe there'd be 3 scum pushing a wagon on me like this, and I find Casso to be 9000% more likely to be scum. and he's demonstrated there's at least some logic in his points. I still disagree and want an explanation, but meh
17. zMuffinMan talah <- probably could be higher but paranoia
20. Desperado <- don't have an idea. the trying out a new approach seems town but idk if that's actually alignment indicative.

scum
3. Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665) <- see above
15. Sakura Hana <- I get the feeling she was being really defensive in our 1v1s earlier and that's not what I'd expect from her. she seemed quick to jump to conclusions and some of her points were kind of icky
19. Cephrir <- the associative with Casso I mentioned earlier. also the way he's subtly pushing along my wagon is giving me weird vibes

I'm not sure who the last scum could be. probably Brian bc his lurking is off from what I know of him, and then I have no fkin idea 0.0

[Bert]

hey thanks my eyes hurt now but I still love you man <3

Casso the King of Seals - Didn't really analyze yet, but nacho's usually the kind who protects weak, so he picking up Brian could mean that he's scum.

this is pretty legit though as an observation, i gotta admit i like your observation here, it puts me on my tippy toes and now I'm very wary of Nacho even though I haven't really gotten into this game yet.

[Bert]

Popcorn

I still can't believe you flipped town in Popcorn, GIF.

[Bert]

But Giffy you wanted Klick to be shot though, so

tiddly winks! (don't know what that means but sounded fun to say)

[Bert]

aw cabd silly potato <3

i was making random observation comments to get myself into the flow of the game, still not there but closing in dude, then i can skim for realz

very weird that you say this though cuz you have your little notebook

Somebody who can read bert for shit tell me what the actual fuck he's doing please.

[Bert]

well don't you worry your little mind, dear

ill catch up, but im not sure how effective i can be at home though

[Bert]

aw how cute

i worry about you too, shows how much we care for each other

i should have time after xmas, actually no probably tomorrow ill work on this game

just for you (this whole post is not true, but felt right to say that plus it's CHRISTMAS to be merry right?)

[Bert]

Hi Nat!

Playing in a large game is like having to BS a paper on a book you never actually read

[Bert]

Hi Nat!

Playing in a large game is like having to BS a paper on a book you never actually read

[Bert]

I wanna lynch by page 100 though pls

No...

Stop this AA game nonsense hehe

[Bert]

Aw empire thank ya thank ya u r such a gentleman

Guys I was planning to get all down and serious today but the site was down

So I didn't grace you all with my diehard trollish manners

[Bert]

We deserve another 12 hours for the site being down

just saaying

all I remember about this game is I had a gut-scum read on a very superficial skim of everyone's ISOs

Love, Bert

[Bert]

Weird, I'm not used to seeing Falcon attract suspicion on D1.

Um, yeah I had a gut scumread on Maraca because they feel fake overall. OVERALL.

No feelings really about Desp other than paranoia. Also have paranoia that Geists is using Falcon, well Ffery is using Falcon, as her antagonist. As you see, I planned on catching up yesterday but didn't get the chance to

Oh and also GIF seemed pretty town for playing docey do with me when I was skimming a few days ago.

[Bert]

don't like him at all

[Bert]

reminds me of Hard Boiled scum Nacho for some reason

[Bert]

Yeah, Nacho's not easy to lynch though so it's a viable plan for Nacho to come up with - Ffery bussing/distancing out of the gate. Her reads have depth as scum or town anyway

[Bert]

To elaborate on my bert townread - he's replaced in and made a flurry of catch up posts that strikes me as natural. I have no idea how balanced a game bert has, so my read is not set in stone, but I saw no reason for alarm when I took a look at his ISO, quite the opposite in fact.

Recall that when SSK replaced in, he immediately posted a read list which I didn't like, that didn't feel natural.

This person reminds me of Cephrir (sp?) from Hard Boiled.

I have my suspicions in the slot.

But I am also aware when someone is goading me into a fight.

So kiss my ass casso, is she a scum buddy or are you keen to have two town players arguing?

vote casso

Either way guess we get to find out on you don't we.

i might buy that actually, also Nacho's asking Domo why he/she was townreading me was very cautious-sounding for Nacho. I would expect him to be much more townread by everyone now if he were town (Nacho, I mean)

Ok. Looks like the majority of what I missed recently is the bert show.

Good to see you are town bert, you are tossing stuff everywhere and have minimal focus.

I don't understand your point against me though so I hope you aren't expecting a response. But when you are ready to wingate this with me we can bring down scum mara again.

still weird that you're townreading for once, it has never happened before

[Bert]

Oops last post I meant *townreading me*, not *townreading*

OK, so basically I think Casso/Nacho usually like can't resist buddying or some kind of charm/charisma exuding out naturally

I don't feel anything but robotic walls this game

[Bert]

mmhmm. and if you really were trying to sort me, i'd expect you to have, you know... actually done something to try and sort me. but you haven't done that and you're not doing that.

I would like to hear from Tammy and others if they feel Nacho has naturally sorted them out, as I recall that's how Tammy caught Nacho in our last game. I think she's V/LA though so :/

Oh, also

Vote: Casso

[Bert]

part of that is because i'm only barely paying attention to this game (reading this game is just below banging my head against a wall on my to do list) and part of that is because i want flips before i start doubting my reads. i never assume my reads are accurate and always work on the assumption i could be wrong, but that doesn't mean i'm going to doubt my reads because i could be wrong. i don't even know why i have to explain this to you. it's fucking simple shit.

it's like he has taken a dose of apathetic-Cabd or something. IDK I feel weird about lynching him/her because didn't he/she get nommed for a good scumgame?

Like he's being reliably pressured and kinda looking vulnerable, and plus isn't doing much

@ser,

why are you voting me?

what's your read on casso?

also he distracts by asking about casso in this post

[Bert]

OK makes sense I guess

well yeah I didn't suck up to nacho this game because he's really scummy actually

nothing there that tempts me to reach out to him or anything

[Bert]

This must be lady ffery

[Bert]

What I meant to say is, Ffery or Nat's wish to lynch under 100 pages = mission failed.

[Bert]

I'm mad that now you are engaged, we haven't had a chance to talk.

Disappointed I could see, but "Mad?" Heh, seems like overdoing it a bit there.

If F-16 is scum this might be multiball. The phrasing here is weird and points to that.

Yeah, phrasing does feel weird. Also explains why I felt weird when Falcon told me when I was catching up a few days ago, that he promised Nacho that if they are opposing factions, they would not kill each other.

[Bert]

Nacho and I made a peace treaty to not nightkill each other if one of us is scum.

oh never mind, scratch what I just said.

[Bert]

I know it felt weird because I remember when I first skimmed that in real time a while back, that I automatically had memories of first playing with Ffery in 1415 where she said "you are in luck, I'm town!"

I don't hear that being expressed in that way very often, so it's just weird to come from you.

[Bert]

F16, I can't do POE because I can't read most players here well anyways, so my PoEing would lead to really bad accuraacy

But I do know that I find Cabd's hydra and Nacho's hydra to be very scummy, as in probably scum.

And the rest of the scum I think are in the people I Can't read well or are just lurking anyways, or people I haven't really looked at enough since the site has been down

like I applaud people who can do PoE in this large a game, I only do that when I'm in like 5p lylo. lol

[Bert]

the way you all are talking about how he/she is nothing like him/her as town or scum in past games

leads me to believe that he/she is intentionally playing differently to meta-dodge

i mean, that's my first inclination in my head when you say that

it's like how one time I went all serious just because I wanted to give them a different look in one of my past scum games. Change it up, you know?

I mean, muffin could just play up his town meta if he/she wanted to, probably, right? Plus, all the attention being given after he/she won a scum game lately and got nommed?

just my thoughts, as I have no past experience with him/her

[Bert]

EBWOP i think im inclined to think that especially with ffery/falcon in this game who do meta as town, and also read past games to boot

[Bert]

Who did he go after in Diner?

A diner

You make me want to food tell.

Let's talk about who's scummy scum over a spicy vegetable wrap

I'm going to feel sorry for whoever's lynched because Christmas is so near. Being lynched as town on Xmas day is brutal. Unless the flip is scum!

[Bert]

There's likely scum cluttering things up. (geists?) Lynching from SC/Muffin seems like the safest bet regardless of alignment.

Why Geists? And also, why is lynching SC/Muffin the safest bet regardless of alignment?

[Bert]

Site was down today

Hope to be here tomorrow with a site that's up

Bert

[Bert]

Pie's responses to Gen feel off

[Bert]

Pie wtf.

I thought you were actually town.

How do you go back to making me think you're scum in a span of 2 pages.

This post feels like overdone and fake

[Bert]

Vote: MC Maraca

Quite happy to lynch this hydra today.

Why'd you choose now to hop on?

In what way bert?

it feels like pie is sort of wilting under the pressure you put on him/her, not really the reaction I look for from him/her as town

But she hasn't here, she has recognised I'm doing what I usually do and maintained the read. She hasn't attempts to latch on to me or suck up to me, she merely town read me and moved on with her reads. Town mara in my eyes.

For those that are scumreading Mara/Cabd (including myself), this kinda makes me want to lay off Cabd/Mara if you all think Gen is town. He nailed Mara in VisCon, and yeah as Gen said earlier in this game, he mentored Mara before and reads her like a book, or at least that's what he professes.

I've got so much to catch up on. I dunno if I'm gonna really have any time until after christmas, this site malarky has really made it tough to keep involved. I feel like I'm voting blind. Can some tl;dr a case on casso?

That's nacho and thor, right? I'm not so sure I want to be killing off two strong players so early unless the case is compelling. This would be a dream mislynch for scum if they're town.

Intuitively, this DOMO post pings. Meanwhile, I'm going to work on figuring out how to explain why it pings.

[Bert]

Sakura and Ceph too but I think I already mentioned those.

Also fwiw I have a gut-scumread on Desperado just like to throw that out.

Thank you, because my memory sucks in remembering what people's reads are in this game.

9. Stuffed Crust (Mac + Varsoon) - GiF said not town.
15. Sakura Hana - could see a scum team with Sakura and pieguyn due to the way their back and forth ended without a sense of resolution. It's hard to fault anyone for lack of participation over the last several days, but I'm not that comfortable with Sakura atm.
10. pieguyn

SonOfZeus

- He's not doing some stuff that I am used to seeing him do when he's town, particularly cross-checking his reads with other players and frequently asking people what they think about other players' posts. The Sakura interactions didn't feel quite right somehow.
20. Desperado - such a huge and intentional meta change feels town, but I dunno. I feel his more recent posts are coming off more engaged and hence more town.

Just wanted to say that I agree with what you're saying about pie especially. Something's off. The interactions, like you said, don't feel like the same pie I skimmed through in my last game with you two and him/her in Ace Attorney.

And huge intentional meta changes always confuse the heck out of me and arouse all sorts of paranoia (see: Muffin who you guys mentioned earlier in this day phase).

[Bert]

Oh, and Ffery a huge intentional meta change is like Slimer in our last game. Just thought of that.

Because we want too. Why you gotta play that song so loud?

srs though my vote was doing nothing on desperado, and I have a scumread on Maraca. SIMPLES.

OK. If you think there are enough troops to get together and bring down Desperado, I'll support it because I can't read him well.

Nacho is a gut-scumread of mine though, and happens to be someone I'm familiar with in this game, unlike a few of you. So I feel pretty good with my vote there ATM.

P-edit: wow Ffery!!! you are so precise usually with posts...that's a big whopper there to make...

[Bert]

4. MC Maraca (Cabd + Ms Marangal) - The rising scumread consensus makes me wonder if I'm wrong here, but I'm sticking with my read

3. Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665) - This is another read where the consensus makes me wonder if I've backed off for bad reasons. But, sticking with my read.

I haven't been that impressed with consensuses (consensii?) lately.

Why haven't you been impressed?

[Bert]

EBWOP: Ffery, this is the first time I remember you mentioning 'consensus/consensii' as a selling point of any kind on your reads

[Bert]

Sure I'm here

[Bert]

He hasn't had a real fight yet in this game, unlike Wingate.

I'm not scumreading him, but his reads are really useful if he's town because he knows Mara a lot better as Mara learned from the game from him, plus they have oodles of experience outside of MS. The thing is he got nommed for best mafia performance, and Nacho remarked how Generic has a great scumgame with passion, etc., so doubt I could spot him accurately as scum anyway.

He's being kinda vitriolic with Mara, which is comparable to Wingate. He also uses excuses of being busy, etc., like that game. (e.g. etc., asking people to f off).

Heists is a gut read based on a smart opening which when lightly challenged he has been calm and consistent on tone. And there are glimpses of behind the scenes work being done for the game.

If people don't sign things I'm susceptible to error. But again I am having to evaluate the slot and mara knows I don't rely on meta too heavily so will know I will make judgements on in game play.

And I believe I have made that judgement but it's one I am concerned I have wrong. I hope I have it wrong cos I love mara to bits and cabd is a decent fellow, but scum is scum.

Lol I'm going to get into trouble for saying this, but what bothers me (I'm cherrypicking because we're talking about the game, and I'm actually looking back at his posts for once to refresh)....

is that he's not stroking his own ego as much as I'm used to him doing in my past two games. He's not all in-your-face about how he must be right about X and Y, etc.

Nothing strikes me as scum scum, but I could see him as easily scum. He *looks* alright, kinda town. No one here is super super super town to me yet, but I'm glad you brought this up because now I Can think about what I just looked back on in his ISOs etc.

[Bert]

3. Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665) - This is another read where the consensus makes me wonder if I've backed off for bad reasons. But, sticking with my read. I haven't been that impressed with consensuses (consensii?) lately.

Oh, P.S. Ffery I forgot to mention that the suspicion on you and Falcon in this game makes me wonder if I'm on the wrong track too, lol. Putting that out there. You two aren't consensus townreads either, which I'm not used to yet.

[Bert]

I'm starting to have my doubts about Maraca too, but it's mostly because I've seen them get mislynched several times (and with me witnessing it and voting them at the same time).

I also hate DOMO's reason for leaving Nacho alive. Pieguy is not looking good today either.

In a way, Wingate was an outlier because Gen almost got modkilled and went overboard with AtE, so I'm glad you have other mediums to compare with. I haven't seen Gen as scum before in the past games, so I Can't really comment on what he's like as scum. Every time, I've had paranoia about him, but there's less this game because I'm more used to him, and he's not calling me scummy (unfortunately the 2nd part I'm trying to get rid of)

P-edit: SAKURA time!

[Bert]

To add onto my last post, Mara's an easy wagon to make BIG, quick. And Cabd's defensive responses if he's really in tune with the game, they just add fuel to the fire. So at this juncture I could easily see them flipping town, hence why I'm not voting them.

As for Sakura --->

She's here and has been V/LA, but yeah she's lacking her Sakura-fire in her posts, and the questioning is lacking along with the stubborn reads on people. Not much of a presence.

Unlike pieguy, she has an actual excuse of being V/LA so much, but still. Very much null but the one interesting thing to note is that she hasn't done any AtE of Sakura-lite. Which doesn't mean much considering she manafactures a bit of it as scum so as to play to her town meta. She's very much null-scum, but is getting lost in all the noise and verbosity.

[Bert]

What are reads now. You keep saying you may be wrong about your reads but I am confused as to what your reads actually are.

Oh OK. One sec, working on that. Sorry, I've just been making random observations everywhere, in bunches.

[Bert]

I still need to work on developing good town reads and rapport *sigh* my bad

bolded = don't like aka scumreading or null-scum. the rest either I Don't have a real opinion about yet at this time, or I don't remember much about

these are the people that have legitimately bothered me since I've entered the game, and thus are my scumreads. I am waffling about Maraca a lot though, I will admit that I am having real second thoughts.

3. Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665)

4. MC Maraca (Cabd + Ms Marangal)

10. pieguyn SonOfZeus

16. Ser Arthur Dayne

18. DOMO

OK there are a lot to keep track of, and I don't have real good town reads at all on anyone. I'm like the opposite of you who has lots of townreads and no scumreads. I also have some people as null, bad bert

[Bert]

Yeah 630 feels bold. I wasn't there at that time, so then it depends if you were under fire at the time and if she was latching on. Maybe she was reaction testing you?

732 feels just OK to me. I guess questions can be interpreted as town, but can't really tell the difference. I need to look back, but why she would ask would be interesting. It makes sense for her to reach out to Nacho though.

Yeah, Sakura has been confident in reading Cabd, not sure about other people, but she is definitely solid in that regard. I think she can read Nacho pretty well. Only time I've seen her falter is many months ago in that Stacking the Deck where Tammy/Tierce were scum. She was good in my last newbie.

[Bert]

The AtE is kinda holding me back because I'm a total sucker at it, but I'm aware that V can pull off the AtE as scum too.

lol didn't know you're a sucker for it. I am too!

Varsoon is pretty manipulative anyway, from what I hear?

[Bert]

Below are quotes from when MAra was linked. Wow, my Chosen Mafia memory was bad, they were only at lynch -3. But the other two add, though.

Spoiler:

26th Vote Count (26th of Day 1)

Ms Marangal - 7 (RachMarie, 50 Shades of Purple, Wisdom, Sakura Hana, TiP, notcience, saki) - L-0

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Sakura Hana - 1 (Ms Marangal)
50 Shades of Purple - 1 (notscience)
goodmorning - 1 (bert)
malakittens - 1 (goodmorning)
RachMarie - 1 (Scott Brosius)

A lynch has been achieved!

Deadline August 10, 11:59 PM US Eastern Time (GMT-4)

Nightfall is in (expired on 2013-08-10 20:59:00)

As all men know, the Chosen are a life form greater than any other inhabiting this world. They harvest their energy from the Core using the Great World Spine and grow weapons and great ships. Even a soldier's armor is organically grown, molded to their bodies as a second skin of extreme strength. Yet even these titans must bow to the laws of nature; she does not take kindly to strangers flouting her age old edicts. One of the Chosen believed themselves above these rules, yet how wrong they were....

magenta_thegreat,

Neutral Survivor

, (

formerly

Vanilla Townie

)

has been modkilled Day 1.

It is now Night 1. Please send in all actions within (expired on 2013-10-14 18:00:00)

Town lover

Voodoo Lady was lynched

Ms Marangal thought it better to die then to live in this world. Ms Marangal walked into a dark alley with a crowbar and paid a hobo to beat her/him/it to death. Such a tragic end to a mentally fucked up couple.

Voodoo Lady

and

Ms Marangal Town Lovers

died Day 1

Day 2 Begins NOW

Votecount 2.0

5 votes to lynch.

macmollie

- L5

Nachomamma8

- L5

Wisdom

- L5

absta101

- L5

The Acting Method

- L5

Nachopappa

- L5

Core_H86

- L5

Mutleyddmc

- L5

Vigilante Ventriloquist

- L5

GuyinFreezer

- L5

Not voting

macmollie
Nachomamma8
Wisdom
absta101
The Acting Method
Nachopappa
Core_H86
Mutleyddmc
Vigilante Ventriloquist
GuyinFreezer

Deadline (expired on 2013-06-28 16:13:07)

P-edit: Ffery I'm paranoid about you, don't act surprised lol, paranoia does not equal scum, but I'm still gonna make observations about hwat I don't like. Did you see Sakura on my scumreads list? No. Or Generic? Nope. I mentioned the cons about them in this game so far too. It's not just you. <3

[Bert]

So Ffery, I remember that time with Cabd hosting, where I was scum with Nacho in the chat game

And you read Nacho seriously wrong and then Bork voted you in 3p LYLO after Broseidon venue killed Nacho godfather

Idk, was that the only time you saw Nacho hit that town tone in chat

Or has it been consistent

[Bert]

Venge not venue

Phone post oops

[Bert]

Last few posts in past page ->Hate when my gut feels like ffery is scum. I think I'm just really paranoid. Hope last two posts were Nat.

Dat emotion. There hasn't been a game since out newbie where I've read you as solid town... But I wanna make it where when you're officially on my scum list, I wanna take u To the grave. Right now it's like a roller coaster cuz u looked town in that newbie

And here your tone reminds me in past page of that game

The way u went about finally casting a vote, this time on someone with no votes. Deja vu from D1 and you voting goodmorning in 1436

Generic feels town. Posts explaining feel sincere.

Korean null in past few pages. Think I'll trust generics read on Mara

[Bert]

To be fair, pieguy, I pushed your mislynch in stacking the deck and I called you and Kaze's arguing scum theatre in AA

But still you feel off here compared to my baseline

I also accused you of the same thing in pick and ban, about not being aggressive enough,

[Bert]

Ffery, you can tell my town and scum games apart.

I don't buy what you're saying. The only time you thought I went overboard with paranoia and half scumread me was our first game together

And you said you were waffly as hell in your scumgame that we played last time.

[Bert]

Vote: geists

Sorry, gut. Gonna go have a snack and watch a show now, this is gettin intense

[Bert]

Ffery 'waffled' on me just like this as scum in my past newbie

And that tone she talked to me with in the past two pages, ahhhhhhh

Nat 'learned' from Ffery how to read me, and here Ffery is doing this?

It does not add up.

[Bert]

Getting cheeky, I see.

You actually put a vote on someone for the first time I've been here and committed to someone.

That's an improvement too.

[Bert]

Since I've*

[Bert]

1) since I came here, being assertive and leading a real lynch ever on D1 here? Nope, pie guy's first vote doesn't count

2) saying a ton of stuff without actually doing much? And then avoiding main wagons (see: consensii talk you referenced) Check.

[Bert]

^that post was at Ffery

[Bert]

Why F16

And ffery I was pointing out

1) you're saying a ton of things without doing much

2) you're not leading real lynches

[Bert]

Dat hydra slip, Mara lol

[Bert]

Who are you addressing in your past 2 posts.

[Bert]

Ok

[Bert]

Hijacking the vote then.

VOTE: MCMaraca

Seriously though two pages ago, you named them #2 on your townread list

You feel this is worth it??? To go l-1?

[Bert]

Also

Unvote

because fferyllt's mad at me.

You do this and expect me 'not' to go paranoid.

[Bert]

Ffery, do Falcon's posts "suck" when he's town?

Yet you're not "scumreading" Falcon after saying as much that his posts suck

[Bert]

Cabd, you sure ffery is town?? Ugh. After our last game?? Ahhhhh

And that falcon's scum???

[Bert]

No ffery, but I think scum-you would be afraid that your response to me would sound some off notes; or that it was a test of some sort.

(it's not either of those things btw, it's an actual claim)

Remind me how many times I hesitated over potential off notes in 1436.

That's not convincing though

But you were quite active in that game and took single-digit minutes to get posts in

[Bert]

And yes cabd I'm skimming you and falcon together

[Bert]

Nat, I accept being your second choice!!

[Bert]

Distinguished Scholars

Lol (idk if u get it)

[Bert]

I did alright.

Yeah way to go!! you deserve an A in rhetoric!!

[Bert]

You looked up gravitas before, so you can do this!!

[Bert]

The scumteam is:
Goodmorning
Bert
Cephrir
Tammy
Casso

I was going to make a scumteam A and a scumteam B, but these 5 are all together.
VOTE: Bert

Awww Llamarble, how lovely to be on your scumz list for absolutely no reason at all.

Also, are you this scummy on D1 in every game, because last game in Wingate, you were super scummy and lazy and lurky as well.

[Bert]

I'm here...

still need to look through Cabd/Falcon stuff

I'm thoroughly lost, and for whomever asked me a while back (I am keeping up, just not posting) about why Ceph wasn't in my scummy-list, it's because I don't remember a single thing he has done other than say that he doesn't have a strong townread yet on me due to lack of data, or something along those lines.

And @Falcon, no not everyone is reading me as town (I don't think Bro is, for example, or Maraca, just off the top of my head - and lots of others have me as null I think)

I need to think about what I saw in my last games with Falcon-scum and really see what I feel in this game, because all these scumreads on him are making me question myself.

[Bert]

Falcon snap answers anything and everything, you should see my last 3p lylo with Falcon-scum, he was there throughout two whole nights and kept answering questions from me quickly and expediently. So what you're saying is not a massive town tell

[Bert]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=350

[Bert]

Look at the timestamps of most of our 1v1 conversations, and some of the our separate responses are a minute apart.

[Bert]

Domo, I think your quick voting, and then knee-jerk unvote, is pretty weird timing-wise.

Also, yes Broseidon is being weird too. He announced a townread on me for no reason at all, and then "downgraded" based on fencesitting which is very iffy. I've been just making observations here and there, and I haven't kept track of each player very well to where I know what cases/opinions on each person are.

Now I need to figure out what the case on SC is, because I don't think I ever got to that part yet. Fail.

[Bert]

His elaboration on Generic and Sakura reads made sense as did his push on Geists.

My push on Geists made sense, but if it makes sense, why do you have them as strong town?

[Bert]

don't let Mara spam her way into a tantrum lynch which is basically what this is. She made a dumb move. I called her out on it. She was unable to admit that she made a dumb move and is instead pushing a lynch to save face.

How is it a tantrum lynch? Just wondering what leads you to paint it as such. She seems pretty stable so far today.

I probably won't get to looking through a lot of the past activity in here until I get back to my laptop at school after New Year's...

so how is it dumb what she did?

[Bert]

And this one is going to be hard to explain and probably hard to grasp, too. I've played two games with him where I was scum and where he was town. In both games I saw where, when and how his meta research on me would fail at times, and how strongly confident he was about the meta read even so. And I saw how he used meta dynamically to adjust as the game progressed..

So you disagree with those that say Falcon's posts have sucked in the past 20 pages or so?

And also, I'm very curious about your views because you were prodding/questioning Falcon a lot in the early/mid stages of this game, it seems (IIRC). E.g. - Expressing how you were having trouble townreading him, and wondering to yourself that maybe it's because you've always known his alignment when playing with him

[Bert]

I also would like to know what Ffery expects to get from a late-minute Sakura push that she still has to "mull for a while." Feels like her mulling over a GoodMorning vote in 1436, that's what gives me pause.

Sakura has just been a lurker most of this game, but I'm not one who can say I have luck reading her. And does her game here resemble AA-Sakura at all? If so, how?

[Bert]

Ffery

wondering why Sakura's scum, and where is your points/case? I must have missed it I think, lost in this large game.

[Bert]

You should vote Sakura. This wagon could go somewhere good.

Is this leading a lynch? If so, pretty weak attempt if you ask me.

"could go somewhere good"

you "should" vote X

coulda shoulda woulda

Oh, and if you really want to convince all of us to vote Sakura before the deadline, you could easily put together just a few 'examples' of the main points on why she's scum. There are 100+ pages and most of us haven't read that much of it.

[Bert]

EBWOP: At least you gave me a start as to what the points are, but now people who don't know what happened before their time are gonna have to scrounge through the rest of the game to make sure what you're saying is true about Sakura.

[Bert]

Nope. I ain't lynching no one other than SC

you're a stubborn man

Bert's hydra partner Gut from today (as in real life past 5 hours worth of posts - so if you weren't here, you ain't got any chance of being in this list!)

Town: Sakura, Bro, Domo (reads/vibes change, yall... *looks at Domo*), Maraca

Scum: geists

rest of you I still have some doubts here and there, or more, or I just have not enough of a lean

Cabd, do you want to just ask me to vote Falcon???

[Bert]

EBWOP: Domo seemed natural this morning, she just is illogical sometimes which pings your scumdar at first...well it did to mine.

Bro feels town but remember guys he has a good scumgame apparently. But yeah he feels town in explaining townlurk/scumlurk, and he's so...not precise in his reads and explaining, I read that as kinda town, there's the tinge of uncertainty when he's talking that you can follow his thought processes, although they seem skewed at times.

Sakura seems town and looks town in reactions, but I consistently misread her. Still looks town though.

Geists is just pinging me everywhere, and I just *shrug* can't see her as town, sorry. Too many memories from 1436 getting to me, and how they feel so similar to this. The tone, etc....

[Bert]

BERT MAKE A FREAKING VOTE

LIKE, RIGHT NOW

Vote: F16-Fighting-Falcon

Sorry Falcon!!! But I'm not great at reading you anyway, and I can't remember you as town ever receiving this kind of flak.

I don't really understand the SC wagon anyways, it's so much noise and they're not being convincing at all. I Feel like it's Varsoon's style that's getting to the forefront. That's all but a gut vibe though.

[Bert]

Mara is kinda town here, what's wrong? :/

And yes I'm still scumreading geists. Did you notice Falcon's reluctance to vote geists at all despite agreeing with my points? And their distancing early in the game, and Ffery's reluctance to vote Falcon at all.

[Bert]

^that is @Sakura

[Bert]

OK so your comment about your meta, I'll try not to take that at face value.

Assuming you flip town, then I need to reset I think and trust your read on him. But still since when has Falcon ever attracted this much suspicion as town. EVER?

I haven't seen a vote on him before like this.

Problem is last game you left us your recommendation to lynch Marquis the next day (AA), and in Hard Boiled you left us reads hoping we would lynch SalmonellaDoctorPepper next....you know I have sheeped your reads after your flip before

I would go with your reads some if you somehow flip town

[Bert]

EBWOP: And if the above is somehow Nat sneaking in for a post, your "SSK is town" post makes me paranoid about your read about Falcon being right, should you flip town.

[Bert]

He was even freaking out his town reads with the strength of his defense.

OH...

Think I need to revisit that mini Nacho and Falcon were in with you, but I don't revisit things thoroughly so doubt that'll happen

@Gif/whoever hydra partner is: Well, I was reading him (Falcon) as town, but my vote on him 3p lylo in 247 Micro was all gut, and defied all semblance of logic to vote him over a person who was much "scummier."

Here, I'm going with the notion that I'm probably wrong about him given all this suspicion around him. I don't feel great about it, but...

[Bert]

@Ffery/Nat: Are you actually reading SC as scum, or are you doing this just to prevent another wagon's lynch (F16 maybe?)?

Also, why did you give up on Sakura-vote so quickly

[Bert]

Finally looked at some of Ceph's posts. My memory's blurry, but he/she is posting like how people post when they are out to prove themselves (confidence, assertiveness, indignance almost?). A very different style than Hard Boiled, that or my memory is failing

[Bert]

I really really really hate this.

I've been in quite a few games with Falcon, and I've seen three total other people vote Falcon at any point.

JasonWazza-confscum in LYLO 1415
Telo in 3p LYLO
Brian Skies - Mentor Mentee - who had never played with Falcon before, and it was a very OMGUS-y vote.

It may look dumb, but that is what I was thinking. I am yielding to what others are saying is perceived scumminess, that which I am apparently blind to in this game coming from Falcon.

[Bert]

^Telo's vote was for "other person was not online to make the NK, so thus Falcon is scum" - that game, Falcon was actually scum.

Add to that, that Falcon is no stranger to many players here. Which makes all the added attention very concerning, from a guy who is townreading him.

[Bert]

Whomever said something last night about SC and Muffin lynches not giving as much info as others would, whomever said that is partially right and sounds townie. I can't remember who said that though :/

Muffin is very much meh and stuck in null land, and the problem is I don't see that changing. Problem is also that he makes an easy mislynch at one point or other too. So problems sorta cancel out sorta, leaving a very frustrating dilemma later on. IDK about SC, I just looked back, and Varsoon's tone just annoys me and I don't even know why, which clouds my ability to read them well.

[Bert]

Are you ignoring this game?

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=32520

It's the one I mentioned earlier, where he was getting scum-read for defending his town reads.

I didn't even know Falcon was in that game, and I didn't see you mention it earlier (I obviously didn't see your post :/)

The games I was talking about are from my own experience (4-5 games ish).

[Bert]

I only see Bulb voting him at one point, but I'm probably not looking carefully enough. Plus, he was never in legit danger of being lynched probably?

P-edit: yeah, Varsoon until January 25 is cray cray

[Bert]

OK. And yeah I saw him during the end of Xenogears when he was 1v1 vs. Cabd with Antihero-replacement in 3p LYLO

[Bert]

I wanted to go for WIFOM of the highest caliber and annoyance. I got town to replace out and the new town was so damn sketchy and couldn't keep up, either. I spammed the thread, oscillated between worthwhile and terrible posts, and made myself an obvious scum-slot so when JMO got my lynch through on either D1 or D2, he'd be seen as more town--same went for Dys. I was actually almost sure early D1 (page 60ish) that Dys would carry our team and that his defense was impregnable.
Bauss, you are cooler than rank.

=O

[Bert]

I think Casso is scum likely with Stuffed Crust, and possibly a couple of people in my null pile, Generic being a person of concern at this moment.

Wait a moment. So the top two wagons other than yourself are your only concrete scumreads, yet you have not voted for either of them. Both of their wagons are not anything new. They have been here for quite some time, ever since I entered this game days ago.

Why wait until now to list two scumreads, both of them being at the top of the voting chart aside from you? That seems awfully convenient.

[Bert]

They're ALL scum games, I'm certain,

because Thor wouldn't evah do that as town

, and certainly has this rep of doing things as scum that he doesn't do as town - everyone knows this.

I mean, I have the most transparent scum game of all.

Everyone can read me with high accuracy

, it happens all the time, and I never complain about how my scum game ruins my town experiences because people start just paranoid suspecting me constantly for nonsensical reasons.

these don't sound genuine, and can't be taken at face value for me, sorry

[Bert]

I don't even know you, and I've just referred to you in my notes as Nacho's hydra.

[Bert]

[Bert]

Bert, what do you think about lynching Casso instead?

I'd do it in a heartbeat, because I'm familiar with Nacho and I don't like anything about his play so far.

[Bert]

I was voting them and then I saw stuff like this:

I've got so much to catch up on. I dunno if I'm gonna really have any time until after christmas, this site malarky has really made it tough to keep involved. I feel like I'm voting blind. Can some tl;dr a case on casso? That's nacho and thor, right?

I'm not so sure I want to be killing off two strong players so early unless the case is compelling.

This would be a dream mislynch for scum if they're town.

Falcon you don't have the reputation that Casso's heads have (yet), so... or at least DOMO doesn't know you probably, hence the "dream mislynch" comment

that's why DOMO felt so weird initially, posts like this

[Bert]

You are saying DOMO's comment persuaded you to unvote Casso?

It offered me little hope that a wagon on you would lead to anything, and then I saw GIF playing the "I'm gonna avoid sorting Nacho till Day 3" card...

[Bert]

*a wagon on Casso hydra* my typing is bad today

[Bert]

But falcon, lynching a lurker/useless one gives us little to no info to work off

[Bert]

And yes, Nacho has been avoiding this game

Unvote

[Bert]

Nacho

/phone

Nacho

Nacho

Nacho

Nacho

Momma!!!

Come back or I gonna call yo momma!!

[Bert]

The mass reward comes with risk -> reward is high-profile-content person flipping scum, then dominos begin to fall...

Also, Sakura hasn't been impressive today at all..however my scumreads pie and geist's were going after her. I got town vibes from her, but I'm clouded by my Ffery-scumread and subconsciously wanting to side with Sakura in arguments of Sakura vs. geist

[Bert]

Looking at some things that I am not allowed to admit exist, I would just like to clarify that I really like the idea of Pie getting lynched.

Not allowed?

???

[Bert]

Oh I thought he meant something else, sorry

If Ffery is somehow town, then I doubt she would misread Sakura like this would she?

Going into WIFOM territory here. Hmm.

My phone posts are usually bad btw

[Bert]

What is new territory for me in a large game is every time I think about voting,

I look and realize 11 friggin votes are needed and that's a mountain to climb in terms of garnering support

[Bert]

Tammy please give me a speech about it

I would pay you a virtual air dollar to hear it

P-edit: support for Casso

Early on

[Bert]

Ffery I can't remember but do you like pieguy so far?

[Bert]

Thor,

Norlkaz is Llamarble.

[Bert]

What are utility lynches? What purposes do they serve for town?

[Bert]

If it's so horrible, then what do you make of Ffery jumping on?

[Bert]

Are you sure as heck that Falcon and Ffery are town

[Bert]

That was pretty awkward of you.
But no, you're not going to make me change my mind about either of you.

PEd: Glad someone agrees with me on GM.

Your reasoning for GM is because you think that GM has more of a town lurk instead of a scum lurk?
Seriously?

That was Bro's reasoning too.

[Bert]

Are you sure Sakura is scum? Ffery's answer of three reasons how Sakura could be town made me nervous

And to people who are like wth Bert you're interacting the most with the four people youve voted today,

My reads suck and I'm easily manipulated

[Bert]

Why are you spending time now just tunneling Sakura?

Why now, why not earlier on during my stay here

P-edit: ok...

[Bert]

you're not done reading, get on with it

If it's someone I might wanna lynch, maybe

[Bert]

What vote has Thor yanked here?

[Bert]

So who on the motley crew on Falcon's wagon is scum, Nacho?

Thor was on it himself btw

[Bert]

Vote: Sakura

[Bert]

Unvote

Tired and can't think, heh.

Thoughts on Gen, Nacho?

[Bert]

Waiting until you finish reading, and also I want to hear Tammy's thoughts on Mason Maraca

[Bert]

Who's scum with her then?

If you would tunnel more than one, instead of focus on her...

[Bert]

You're reminding me of Micro 189 where you just tunneled a scumread near deadline as scum and were vague about your other opinions's strengths

You looked in that game too much at the non-broader picture

[Bert]

Thor wants pie gone.

Do you support or...

I'll support that.

[Bert]

Tammy you're easily manipulated

*grins*

[Bert]

HEY BERT
What do you think about my reads? Why do I get the feeling that you disappeared?

I crashed and plus I was phoneposting and half-awake. I also have a clear head now so I'll say in a bit what I think about what happened last night.

[Bert]

And yes im fucking quitting mafia after this I had already decided this days ago, and this just strengthens my decission.

And this is what happens when i decide to spend what little time I had gained to one of my games, oh well enjoy your mislynch

Vote: Sakura

*ragequit*

[Bert]

Assuming you flip town, then I need to reset I think and trust your read on him. But still since when has Falcon ever attracted this much suspicion as town. EVER?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=24222

Wow, a game from the month when Falcon joined...

[Bert]

What do you think about my reads?

Your list is Chosen-levels of sketchy. What do you think of Desperado?

[Bert]

I'm just gonna vote Sakura, although the last two posts of hers are really bothersome AtE. Problem is I've seen her pull that kind of stunt as scum.

Vote: Sakura Hana

If she flips scum, I might start to feel slightly better about Ffery and/or Nacho.

Also, it feels like Desp is trying to distract from the game by bothering DOMO, when DOMO has been doing illogical stuff all game long, and he waits till now to call him/her out. I don't see what he hopes to achieve with a vote on DOMO who has no votes, what with 2 days left until deadline. So minus points for Desp.

[Bert]

But why'd you vote him/her last page after you had just voted Sakura the page prior? The timing is curious, and your vote hasn't been on DOMO in a very long time.

[Bert]

What do you expect to gain out of that with 52 hours left?

[Bert]

Fast wagon is fast scary

:C

[Bert]

Who's scum on your wagon, Sakura?

And what do you make of Pie, who is saying you are playing like AA-Sakura?

[Bert]

Why are you confident she'll flip scum, Arthur?

[Bert]

This wagon on Sakura feels so icky, it's not even funny

Unvote

[Bert]

This wagon on Sakura feels so icky, it's not even funny

Unvote

Then place your vote where it doesn't feel icky, explain why it doesn't feel icky, and move forward.

But, here's a shocking hint: She's "retiring" but wants to do so via a self vote and complaining to us instead of replacing out in what an actual ragequit looks like.
I know what my working theory is about what that really means.

Ok that's reassuring

Also, Mara why's Tammy scum?

[Bert]

Also explain your Desp scumread while you're at it? <3

[Bert]

Vote: Sakura

[Bert]

That's Lynch -1

Claim please?

[Bert]

Unvote

Gut thinks she will flip town. The feeling she is reminding me of is how Generic went off on us in Wingate (Shush Desp, see my title)

[Bert]

I've never seen her go 'I quit' and then change her signature as well

:/

That's just *shrug*

That's low if it's scum, and I don't see her going to these depths

[Bert]

You're here playing this day out though and still talking

So you haven't shut down...

Just thinking atm...hmm

[Bert]

What feels icky about this wagon:

Spoiler:

hey sakura, who do you think is scum?

Check my ISO my reads haven't changed much since then, specially because I stopped giving a damn about this game after the sudden stupid compromise flash wagon on me.

Why? After what i saw today i have no respect for anyone in this game.

And I'm heavily dissapointed on Nacho.

Just as I predicted... this is gonna be Xenologue all over again.

Claim please?

Nah I wont claim, live with the burden of it.

So my mafia career ends the same way as most of my games...

By getting mislynched.

Seems like a fitting end for me.

a.k.a hurry up and lynch me so i can remove MS from bookmarks and never come here again.

Who's scum on your wagon, Sakura?

And what do you make of Pie, who is saying you are playing like AA-Sakura?

I dont know, nor I care, find them on your own.
This is the treatment I get after finally getting time to invest on this game then this game is not even worth of me trying.

There's pride in her scumgame, and to do this is just not scum IMHO ^

C'mon Nacho, if you're town you know better than this, right? :/

[Bert]

I'll compromise on anyone else at this point.

[Bert]

We are at a point of the day where Sakura pulled something equivalent to the blacklist tell, which is strictly a no lynching business.

Exactly.

It's like Generic in Wingate, or even Mutley on that Purple Shoe alt who threatened to blacklist someone

[Bert]

Pick someone else to take down.

I don't know who there will be enough votes on (potentially) to make this work and avoid a NL.

You don't like the SC or Falcon wagon, so who else would you compromise on that's actually likely to go well with your other townreads?

[Bert]

Vote: MafiaSSK

[Bert]

We haven't talked about SSK in a while but Nati did have a tentative townread.

I'll track him down and see what he thinks now.

Not sure how accurate his townread would be after what happened in AA, with him and Kalimar sliding by y'all (And all of us)

[Bert]

DOMO, Muffin, Norklaz, SSK.

How about Domo?

[Bert]

Yes, I'm fine with Arthur going down too for that comment to me about "commit to a wagon ty"

[Bert]

Kay.

[Bert]

I don't know about Nacho. Seems better since he came back, but what bothered me was asking me if he had my vote yet last night (very premature timing IMO). Thor's posts are just ugh though. Ffery is still iffy, but on the off-chance they might be both town, then I'm just going with them today since they're useful if town.

Domo and Arthur bothered me with gut pings when I initially came into the game, as did Casso and Pie, but it has been a while to remember everything about why.

[Bert]

Yeah, that does bother me as it's an exercise in futility.

Also, Hey Mara, you're weird with your "uhh" read on me, that's the kind of stunt you pulled in Wingate.

I could also, very easily go to Bert

[Bert]

I guess SC isn't as strong of a read as he once was based on relative towniness levels of others, but I still think they are town.

Some people with solid scumgames look town, but not town enough.

Make us more comfortable???

"Tammy is town but not town enough" ---> Tammy ended up scum after you said this in Chosen

SC doesn't look very town at all compared to the other people exerting much more effort into this game. That, and the lurking.

[Bert]

I'm fine with Bro too. Not as town as others, not close.

[Bert]

Bert somehow managed to coast, and still be called town in the most recent white flag, though.

You're kidding, right?

I posted at least 3 prod dodges in EACH of the last three days, each timed at 1 day and 23 hours after the preceding one.

[Bert]

Point is you claimed lovers in that game. You claimed masons in this game.

You're ultra fence-sitting on your read on me, much like you did in that game. It's the same rodeo again. Thankfully Cabd looks more town than you. But you bothered me when I came into the game, and your "uhhhh" reads on me are really shaky.

[Bert]

How do we have 145+ pages of Day 1 and then we push the most useless wagon.

Like if mafiassk flips scum the ONLY thing we gain is one scum down (which I mean is kinda good but it's literally a random chance right now). We gain no other helpful info, and we start day 2 with no lynch info whatsoever.

The game is now seemingly controlled by the herd (which has its good and bad - this is my first large game), and I hope and pray that they are all town (unlikely, but one can hope). My only other large game, I replaced out within 12 hours after it accumulating 30 pages while I was on a day trip out of town...

So I can't really do anything about what wagons we choose anymore

[Bert]

You were scum lovers, of course you lied. Your logic is flawed even as town sometimes, which lets you get away with that kind of logic as scum. Otherwise, your cases aren't the most well-put-together, to put it mildly. Like the case on Falcon, but we saw the passion and the wanting to prove that case. Now, whether that passion is town is another point altogether.

P-edit: You said you didn't mind lynching me in Wingate too. Ta-da.

[Bert]

Pedit: This is a normal agme, Bert. Viscon was a themed game

doesn't matter. This game could very well be multiball too. And it's semi-closed for the most part (I guess).

You're putting your foot in your mouth by saying I'm playing similarly to Open 534. Even Ffery has said that I'm not playing ANYTHING like I did in that game. So that association does you more harm than good.

Feel free to explain how I'm coasting here, because I'm not.

[Bert]

There is no way I'm getting lynched, so say goodbye to your dreams of my lynch. End of.

[Bert]

If you iso'd what I did prior to the last ten pages of noise today, then your foot wouldn't be in your mouth lol

<3

[Bert]

Happy holidays dude.

Hope he flips scum too.