NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)
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Did it take 16 minutes for you to read the thread and develop reads? Are you Number Jonny Five? It took me an hour to scan to page ten before I got bored and went to bed. I still haven't read between 10 and last page.In post 593, MafiaSSK wrote:WHAT IS UPPPP? SSK HERE REPLACING ROFLWAFFLE.
Geists=Town
Generic=Town
F-16=Town
Tammy=Uber Town
Bro=Maybe Scum
MC=Maybe Scum
Pitoli=maybe scum
BBQ=scum
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It's harder to form a quick opinion on you generic, I don't remember ever playing with you. I picked geists first because I think ffery has been in the player pool in all of my games as DOMO and some as rev, while thor and nacho are also both players I'm familiar with. BRO was going to be next, but you stepped in!
You feel mostly like town, but there was one comment which felt awkward...
I don't feel the need to explain away why I disappear during a conversation when I'm town, I just go to bed. If I'm scum who's involved in a discussion, I might want an excuse to get away from it.In post 119, Generic wrote:Bedtime for me, night kids.
It's a pretty weak wolf tell and all that stood out for me when scanning your ISO, so you're null. Did I beat 16 minutes?-
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Funnily enough I've just finished scanning MC's ISO. I'm familiar with cabd and again I'm not seeing anything alarming. I've play Marangal once and woefully misread her, but cabd was recently on a scumteam with me so I'm hoping to be able to read him.
Just mafiassk that I have as a scumread right now.-
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Thanks for telling me how to play mafia, this is my first game and tbh I haven't a clue what I'm doing. I figured that *maybe* I could do a quick scan, if only to see what stands out and get a little more familiar with who's in the game etc, and also I'll admit there was a hint of mockery at the idea that you formed your reads in 16 minutes or whatever. But yeah you're right, I shouldn't even bother to look at someone's ISO if I haven't got 2 hours to do a "thorough analysis", let alone dare to post my conclusions. My sincerest apologies.In post 613, MafiaSSK wrote:You don't scan an ISO. That's the point of reading an ISO, to do a thorough analysis.-
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I am still happy with my vote, by the way. It's pretty odd that you're telling me not to bother ISO'ing people if I'm not going to do thorough analysis. It's like you're trying to deter people from doing pro town things. Half an hour scanning a handful of ISOs is better than nothing, even if it's merely because it gives people something else to discuss.-
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And this. So what, anyone who dares to scumread you based on gut sucks? Is that the implication? I'd expect a townie to just say what you said about reading the game because we're all awesome people, and leave it at that, because that's enough to kill the gut read I picked up. But you add a sly little insult, which for me increses the chances of you being scum, because you're not happy with just defending yourself, you want to discredit your attacker too.In post 616, MafiaSSK wrote:Suxtosuck.-
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Hi. Yeah that last game was a strange one. All I know is I won.In post 714, Sakura Hana wrote:Also, Hi DOMO, nice that we meet again in a game that looks more mafia than the last one.
Well here's where I uninsult you and in the process point the finger at you - for some reason I associate the name GuyInFreezer with quality posts, yet I see very little of this in your ISO. What I see is an attempt to stay up to date and involved in town discussion, what I don't see is an effort to analyse people's posts and challenge people who you feel are scummy. Maybe I was wrong about you GiF, I can't remember what game I played you in but I seem to think you were scum and won. But your hydra's posting seems more consistent with nero's style than yours.In post 715, KoreanBBQ wrote:Nope, and I'm insulted.-
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Have I ever played you or nero as DOMO?In post 719, KoreanBBQ wrote:Xenoblade. I was scum, and the red scum went down hill pretty quickly after I got cross-killed at Night 6 or something like that.-
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I was TheReverend in xeno, and I've never played nero or gif as DOMO that I can recall, I'm thinking he picked up DOMO = rev from the scum QT.In post 725, Sakura Hana wrote:I had a gut townread on them, could you explain please? or is it related to how you thought it was Nero's play?-
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While it's entirely possible that you simply checked my posting history, I have to acknowledge it's a pretty weak attack. I'm not really all that convinced. I didn't notice when I first looked at xeno but I posted as DOMO during the game's post mortem, so while you might have picked it up from the scum QT, it could be any number of places.In post 730, KoreanBBQ wrote:Actually I've seen you outing yourself in one of the large game signup. (Plus the altslip you made in some game I was semi-following.)
Fair enough I need more than that for korean.
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Here's the part where I drop a "town tell". Who forgets a game in which they rolled scum?In post 623, Sakura Hana wrote:Here's the part where i realize I forgot to bookmark this thread, got 24 pages to catch up on
I see sakura has already drawn heat for this and as such don't need another explanation. I leave it here because I too feel it's scummy.
In post 714, Sakura Hana wrote:Also, Hi DOMO, nice that we meet again in a game that looks more mafia than the last one.In post 718, Sakura Hana wrote:Actually this is something I agree with.In post 725, Sakura Hana wrote:I had a gut townread on them, could you explain please? or is it related to how you thought it was Nero's play?
Sakura hi's me and then moves from "gut town read" to voting korean next post. It feels like an attempt to buddy me up, which is then followed up with her sheeping my weak attack on korean.In post 732, Sakura Hana wrote:That's an interesting thought actually. Ok i'll sheep for now.
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Why would you think this? I might not be right, but I'm getting reads from my interactions with people. My reads are developing all the time and as such I feel like I'm doing the opposite of fail. That's not to say my reads are right, I'm saying I'm happy with my progress. If you're not, tough luck.In post 739, Casso the King of Seals wrote:@DOMO - you are full of fail and make baby seals cry!-
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Yes cass, she's sheeping your "interesting thought" here.In post 729, Casso the King of Seals wrote:@Sakura - sheep me and vote your gut town read anyway.-
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My attack was weak, I realised this, of course I bail. And it's natural for me to then look at those who piled on to a wagon that I helped develop. I made my point about DOMO/rev and there was a flurry of three votes. It's my belief that if korean is town, there's a good chance of scum being amonst those who piled on. Would you disagree with that?In post 755, Casso the King of Seals wrote:I *did* suggest it was uncool to derail-
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Ok I see your point. perhaps I missed an oppotunity. But I had no idea how many votes he had, nor can I tell you offhand how many are playing, so I felt I should back off because I didn't like the fact it gathered momentum so easily.In post 760, Casso the King of Seals wrote:@DOMO - I agree if he's town that there are scum on that wagon in general.
I disagree that, if you really wanted a wagon to analyze, you should have removed yourself so quickly. You should have sat there and seen who *else* got on and for what reasons, and also which people from the RVS stage of the wagon chose to stay and which fled, and also could have seen who, if anyone, stepped up to defend him and/or start a counter.
Instead you want to examine a flash that wasn't even done flashing.
To my mind it's like reading half of a book and then wanting to discuss the ending. It doesn't really make sense to me nor do I think intelligent discussion can be had at that stage.
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I backed off korean because he picked up more votes after me, and the reason he got my case was flawed. My point about the short posts is something I'm going to look at when I've had a look at some other old games of gif's. I've had a scan of his posts in xeno, which is when I realised I was rev in that. I haven't looked any further into his previous games since then.In post 788, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:DOMO, can you explain your scumread on KoreanBBQ and subsequent reversal? It seemed like you accused them initially of making a lot of posts with little content and then unvoted when they said they saw you outing yourself in the large game signup. Did you feel that KBBQ's subsequent posts were townish? Did it have anything to do with the wagon forming on them. Take me through your whole thought process for the suspicion and the unvote.
I'm currently less interested in korean, and more interested in sakura, who seems to me the most opportunistic person on the korean wagon after my vote.
Right now I can't see korean and sakura both being on the same scumteam. What that means for my korean read, idk yet.-
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ffery towning me is both comforting and alarming.
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cmonIn post 797, KoreanBBQ wrote:But if that's real-
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Yeah and then they give us gangnam style. I think we need to keep dayvigging them until they promise us no more "music".In post 798, MC Maraca wrote:
Last time we tried to do that it just split the nation in two, bro.In post 794, DOMO wrote:dayvig korea-
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Silly gif. I can't refer to this game because it's ongoing. You trying to get me to eat a ban?
Ok gif can you do me a favour please and link your most recent completed town game? I'm bored of trawling through your posts.
No hurry, I'm off to bed now. I just wanted to say that because I want an excuse to excuse myself without people thinking where the fuck I went.-
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Unfortunately I misread your role as townish and you were scummish, although friendly to me. I think the only time I recall you being proper scum was in hydra with bulba, and it was him I was able to read. I might have problems with you when you're scum.In post 814, geists wrote:You were the only damn town player in the Oz game. It was like a crash course in DOMO-reading.
Yeah NY 165 is an excellent game to read for recent scum meta.In post 819, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:DOMO, can you link me to a couple of scum games of yours?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=29163
My only other scum game on this site (I think) is NY 159 as rev -
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... roflcopter
I would not say the rev game is a particularly good example, I was new to the site and used that to my advantage, basically lurking the shit out of it after replacing into a fucked scumteam. Read NY 165, I was scum with BRO cabd and ceph and we won (hi5). ffery has nightmares about this game.-
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That post was supposed to be sacrcastic, not discrediting or defensive. But take it as you will.In post 925, pieguyn wrote:this post feels like discrediting. it's not a direct insult per se, but the tone here is off. you refuted his point, so why do you need to act all defensive?
I'm posting fluff? Sure there's pointless posts, but the majority of my posts is me attempting to get involved in discussion. I wouldn't consider my efforts to be fluff. BBQ, on the other hand, I felt was posting fluff, considering the poster in question was gif. For some reason I expected more detainled analysis from gif, but having scanned his d1 posts in xeno, it seems I'm wrong there, his posting style seems consistent with his d1 xeno posting. Funnily enough he was scum there. But I was wrong about his style and as such I'll have a look at his town game before launching at him again.In post 925, pieguyn wrote:I'm also not liking how you're accusing BBQ of fluff posting. like you're fluff posting too so what the hell?
And again you're either misreading or misrepping my tone. The post you complain about here is quite obviously a joke relating to my comment earlier about someone feeling the need to explain they're going to bed. It's not even remotely defensive, so it's interesting that you're trying to present it as such.In post 925, pieguyn wrote:hi there's so much scum-tone in this post it's not funny. why so defensive?-
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I think you're failing to understand irnoic humour.In post 929, pieguyn wrote:looking back on it, why would you make a joke discrediting your own reasoning, which it seems you were seriously using earlier?
And if my reasoning is bad, I'm quite happy to accept it as such, it doesn't matter to me if I realise before it's pointed out. It's pretty natural that my d1 reasoning will be bad. I got no problem with that.
Yeah ok you have a point here. But I feel that the context differs. The sly insult I was complaining about was "suxtosuck", which I'm not taking as an attempt at humour, it just doesn't come across as such. It's a slap down. That might be me misreading the tone, fair enough. My sly insults, I dunno if you need to meta dive me but I'm full of sarcasm and lame attempts at humour.In post 929, pieguyn wrote:the sarcasm and mocking can be taken as similar to his so called "sly insult" on you.-
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By deduction.In post 962, pieguyn wrote:that'd be fine but the problem is how am I supposed to tell you're not scum using bad reasoning as opposed to town using bad reasoning? 0.0
I don't know, I'm not familiar with generic. My point is that when I'm scum, I find myself wanting to withdraw from a conversation, and generic's comment about bedtime *could* be the internet equivalent of fake yawning and looking at your watch all "is that the time?". But it could also be him wanting to go to bed. I felt it was worth mentioning.In post 962, pieguyn wrote:afaik your logic was that Generic would have no reason to make a post explaining his disappearance as town, correct? where'd you change your opinion and what made you change?
You have a point that my sarcasm can be considered a sly insult. You don't have a point that it's an attempt to discredit.In post 962, pieguyn wrote:so if the context differs, do I have a point or not? the answer makes sense but I find this wording confusing 0.0
Why so obfucsative? I don't know, you tell me... you're the one who finds it obfuscative. It's not like that's how I intend you to interpret it. I don't care how you interpret my comments, that's out of my hands and not particularly a priority concern for me. That's what I mean when I say "take it as you will". I'm expressing indifference.In post 962, pieguyn wrote:after thinking about it more, I don't like this response - why so obfuscative? by allowing me to "take it as I will", you're not really backing up your stance on your post. this seems like another really easy answer
fwiw this doesn't feel like a particularly scum driven attack. It feels like you're trying to determine my alignment, rather than testing how vulnerable I am. You're in my town camp, regardless of the conclusion you draw on me.-
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The majority of your posts are one liners and vague town/scum reads. Your posts lack depth.In post 985, KoreanBBQ wrote:You know what
I was gonna figure out this by myself but
Dear people who's currently bitching at me for having no content
Please define your own definition of "content" so that I can
A. Apologize deeply for not meeting your expectation
B. Disagree with you and just tell you to f off
C. Bitch at you for not even meeting your damn criteria (even though I doubt this would happen.)
I can't take this "lol no content" narrowvision shit because I think I gave out good amount of them already.-
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Intent or goal? There's more reason to post than just scumhunting. For example, I'm currently replying to someone I think is town, thus I'm defending. Some of my posts might be reaction tests, or simply an attempt to maintain conversation and as such interest. I guess the ultimate goal of finding and lynching scum remains the same, but on d1, the idea of town trying to find scum is a pretty vague idea. That's why you'll get more fluff on d1.In post 990, pieguyn wrote:I think the way I see it is there should be some sort of intent or goal behind your actions. ex. if you're town, trying to find scum
Well at the risk of being blunt, that's your problem, not mine.In post 990, pieguyn wrote:the problem I'm having is I'm not finding a lot of your answers useful in determining your alignment, thx to above
Change my mind? I didn't. I simply pointed out that it *could* be scummy, and then later point out that it might not be. My mind isn't fixed, I am felxible with my ideas, and that should be comforting, not alarming. It's scum who tend to be less flexible.In post 990, pieguyn wrote:so what made you change your mind on this idea to the point of making a joke about it?-
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I'm surprised you would feel confident enough in anything you learned about me from that game. I had no idea what was going on to begin with, so it's in no way relevant to my usualy town game. I dunno, it just feels like you're looking for reasons to town me.In post 814, geists wrote:You were the only damn town player in the Oz game. It was like a crash course in DOMO-reading.-
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This is better actually.In post 880, geists wrote:Anyway. Given our past games I expected you'd find me calling you town a bit troubling, but not fly-into-the-rafters alarming. Your reaction hit the right notes.-
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Haha.In post 1037, Cephrir wrote:Hold me, Tammy, I'm scared
ceph is town.
I think mafiassk is scum and if so then it will be interesting that ffery considers him so hard to read. His recent quoting of geists looks to me like scum who is feeling pressured, and is trying to "scumhunt"... odds are he'll try to bus someone imo.
I think we should lynch ssk and if he flips scum, any cop we might have would do well to have a look at geists.
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Fair enough. I might feel the same if we lynch him and he flips town.In post 1048, geists wrote:When I make multiple mistakes about a player over a number of games, I consider them hard to read. I've gone after SSK in both the completed games we've played, and helped get him mislynched both times.-
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No, questions don't make you scum. Ofc you could be town, from my pov everyone I might vote for could be town. That's the risk I'm willing to take everytime I vote for someone. My vote on you suggests that I feel stronger about you being scum than others. You entered the game with a list of reads with no explanation, something I referred to as "putting your pawns in place". You're ultra defensive as you pick up votes, and respond with an exchange with geists that doesn't really go anywhere. You're also pointing the finger at ceph at a time when for me he emerges as a town read. I'm not getting a town vibe from you. Maybe I'm misreading you, I can't know that until you flip. But right now I want your flip more than anyone else.In post 1047, MafiaSSK wrote:Or you know I've legitimately been asking questions? Because that's something I can't do as town? Because questions make me scum?-
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Except that latter asserts me as town too, since he's acknowledging that I'm misreading him, as opposed trying to get him mislynched. mafiassk is now talking to me as though he knows my alignment, he doesn't seem concerned about my motive but is still dismissive.In post 1057, pieguyn wrote:what's the difference between this and saying DOMO is heavily misreading you? it's pretty much the same thing - asserting yourself as town. 0.0
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In post 1124, Stuffed Crust wrote:Cephrir, what's your case on MafiaSSK?
Varsoon seems really interested in SSK here. It feels like a desire to latch on to a compelling case.In post 1127, Stuffed Crust wrote:@Sakura: I'd probably not like it! Anyways, what's your case on SSK?
The first time I find "SSK" in varsoon's ISO is here...
Yeah I'm really not convinced by varsoon's sincerity here.In post 1101, Stuffed Crust wrote:Then give me a rundown of the game so far, your reads and why they stand that way, and then vote for Korean BBQ or MafiaSSK.
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This is such a bad defence to a building wagon.In post 1137, Stuffed Crust wrote:Yawn.
The counter-wagon on me is either dumb-motivated or scum-motivated.
I've exposed you losers, with ease.
You're all stupid or scum. Exposed.
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Scum defence #14 - your play sucks.In post 1144, Stuffed Crust wrote:Awesome stuff. Yeah I'm happy with your play too.-
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You mean this wasn't sarcasm? In which case thanks, I'm glad you like my methods.In post 1144, Stuffed Crust wrote:Awesome stuff. Yeah I'm happy with your play too.-
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I just noticed - I picked #14 totally at random, but the post number I quote is 1144.In post 1152, Cephrir wrote:In post 1146, DOMO wrote:
Scum defence #14 - your play sucks.In post 1144, Stuffed Crust wrote:Awesome stuff. Yeah I'm happy with your play too.
Coincidence? Or scum tell? I'll let you decide.-
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