-.-In post 3271, Sakura Hana wrote:Or i could let some of my townreads sort you for me. But I do admit that some of the stuff you've done looks a but sketchy.In post 3270, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:You say you have no idea how to read me. Are you implying that you don't attempt to read players that you haven't played with? Because even you don't have a meta baseline, I think it is possible to evaluate a player's behavior in game.
You'll have to be more specific in what you're referring to. Remember in game when I said that I didn't want to read Unmasked Kit's posts? That was total truth; I barely read any of their posts. I didn't read much of their posts after I died either.In post 2941, BROseidon wrote:It rubs me hugely the wrong way too. Getting mastin/katsuki vibes from Anything Goes from this post.In post 2744, Cephrir wrote:Dunno what you're going on about but I do know this post rubs me the wrong way.In post 2742, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I am not sold you are town. Still null at this point. You could be an actual Mason. You could be a VT fake-claiming Mason. Or you could be scum fake-claiming Mason. Regardless, Mara made a dumb move earlier in the game. If you were competent town, I'd expect you to own up to it and back off. You didn't. You continued acting as if you were in the right and OMGUSing me. That makes you (Mara) either scum or incompetent town. I am not sure which. That's why you are in my annoyance pile. Only incompetent townies tunnel mindlessly. I backed off of voting you several pages ago so if you are actually town and this ends up being TvT, it is not my fault and you better not blame me at endgame, just saying that now.
Would like Tammy's input on that, actually.
pedit: I'm pretty sure that my stance on certain claims is pretty well recorded. Day 1 mason claim doesn't get lynched on day 1. Ever.
Theory-driven play is fun!
You are currently voting me because Thor voted you without my permission and without me telling him that you were scum and without either of us actually believing for a minute that you are scum. Recognize that, recognize that my townread on Stuffed Crust is coming from a place that I am confident about, and help me guide today's lynch to Sakura.In post 3285, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I am just going to say it plainly. You are wrong about me Bert. I am town. Placing your vote on any player is more productive and more likely to hit scum than placing your vote on me. I am town as fuck here. Anyone that has played with me will tell you so. I am not completely sure who is scum at this point and I am still trying to figure it out while waiting for Sakura and Thor to post. All I know is that I am town and lynching me will lead to a mislynch. It will set us back a town player. It will prevent me from providing analysis that could POE the scum to death. It will prevent me doing deep meta-dives into each player in the game and helping town win. Don't vote me. Vote somebody else. Preferable someone absolutely useless who likely won't win the game for town even if they are alive. I have posted a ton of analysis and reads. I have initiated productive discussion with several players and attempted to sort them through various means. I have looked through people's past games to see recurring patterns. I have backtracked on my reads and revised and reconsidered at every point. I had unvoted MC even before they claimed Mason. I am a productive and helpful member of the town and I strongly believe that leaving me alive will exponentially increase our chances of victory. I am not scum. It is as simple as that. Don't lynch me D1 based off of absolutely nothing. Work with me to take the scum down.
The only information lynching strong town gives us is that we're a bunch of idiots, which is not something I'm prepared to learn so early in the game.In post 3298, Bert wrote:But falcon, lynching a lurker/useless one gives us little to no info to work off
What kind of scum motivation do you think there is for him to keep demanding you out your partner? If he were scum and you were town, he'd know your claim was real and he could just quietly accept it and kill you or your partner at night. ALSO, it's like really bloody obvious who you are hinting your partner to be, and if I picked it up and I haven't read half the game, don't you think one of his partners would have picked it up and yelled it through the all-powerful day chat you believe they have?In post 2948, MC Maraca wrote:He's maintaining that he thinks I'm a fakeclaim.In post 2946, BROseidon wrote:You've been on site for more than twice as long as I have.In post 2765, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I think the lack off cc to your original fake-claim would tell you that there aren't real masons which makes it an amazing fake-claim as scum or VT. Out your partner.In post 2746, MC Maraca wrote:F-16: If you think i'd fakeclaim mason at this stage in the game as town, you are showing that you have clearly not ACTUALLY meta-checked the kind of gambits I pull; or you're choosing to ignore that for your own agendas. I take risks, but not the kind that might out a real set of masons were I to be VT.
So why don't you understand a simple textbook play?
I'm currently against a Llamarble lynch because it's Llamarble and I thought that Brian seemed decently town while he was here.In post 3311, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Thor, can you explain your townreads on Generic and Llamarble. Why is Nacho against a Llamarble lynch?
No reason not to sheep me then, right? You won't be lynching Maraca because mason counterclaim, and obvtown ffery doesn't get killed no matter how many posts she has.In post 3316, Tammy wrote:Also, can I tell you how much I hate you all for posting too much. There's no way I'm actually reading all this. If I miss something in my speed reading catch up, point me to it. Otherwise, well, stop posting.
Like I'd literally pay a virtual dollar for a vig shot on either mc maraca and geists right now. There is no reason to have over 400 posts on day one. Would you like me to give my speech about how noise helps scum win games and never helps town?
I kinda like Nero's response to me. A little too subdued, still would like to see the yelling and aggression, but still. Kinda liked it.
And everyone plays exactly the same...oh wait.In post 3059, MC Maraca wrote:I know for a fact that I tend to be more attentive to details as scum than I am as scum.
Interesting how you sat on wanting to call me scum all game and in your blind panic jump on absolutely nothing f16.In post 3247, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Mara, I don't agree with your reasoning for pushing Tammy and I assumed that it was scum motivated. Naturally, I pushed you for it. The reasoning I provided was much the same that Tammy did. I agreed with her reasoning and conclusions. I pointed this out before. She explains it in her 779. We were clearly both wrong about your affiliation.
I also want to respond to this:I think you misread my intentions because I certainly think Tammy is a big girl that is capable of using things like this to a town advantage. I merely agreed with her assessment of herself that scum would want to throw her off-balance and connected it with past experience. She elaborates on it in 779. This isn't something I deduced by myself.In post 3067, geists wrote:I haven't noticed anyone do more than handwave about the past 20 pages or so. I totally TOTALLY disagreed with his push on Maraca, and I thought he made too much of a deal about Tammy being some delicate flower whose day 1 effectiveness could be completely destroyed by a scumread. She's capbable of taking that kind of thing in stride and using it to advantage. I've seen her do it.
@ BERT, I never agreed with your read on Geists. I thought it made you town because it came from a town place. Unless you are claiming that I should believe town are always correct, it doesn't follow that I should follow your vote on them. I think you are both town.
@ Generic, I find your stance very scummy. You seem to posturing yourself to vote me based on Mara's certainty despite earlier saying that you were townreading me. Mara and I have played one game together and we didn't interact a lot in it either. You and I played in one game where we interacted a lot. Why would you trust her read over your own?
So, far out of the people that voted me, I find MC the most townish - even without the Mason claim, I think Mara obvtowned herself. I am inclined to believe GoodMorning is the other mason as it matches with MC's read on her and other's thoughts about it. I find Casso extremely scummy. Partly because Nacho is hanging back while Thor troll-votes anyone and everyone without regard to who is town or scum or has any reads at all. Most of his posts are alignment neutral but the fundamental difference is that I believe town-Thor would play to win. As of now, it doesn't seem like they are helping town win. The others on the wagon are null besides Bert who is town. Off the wagon, I am even more confident in my read on Geists. I am getting slightly paranoid that GIF thinks ffery is scum and he has lot more experience playing with her but I evaluated their slot to the best of my ability and still read them as town. Pieguyn's latest posts also re-affirm my previous townread as do Desperado's and Korean BBQ's.
:TOWN
1) Tammy
2) Geists
3) Desperado
4) Pieguyn
5) Bert
6) GoodMorning
7) MC Maraca
:YET TO BE SORTED
8) zMuffinMan - Leaning town
9) KoreanBBQ - Leaning town
10) MafiaSSK - Null
11) DOMO - Null
12) BROseidon - Null
13) Norlkaz - Null
14) Cephrir - Null
15) Sakura Hana - Null
16) Ser Arthur Dayne - Null
17) Generic - Leaning scum
:SCUM
18) Stuffed Crust
19) Casso the King of Seals
I think Casso is scum likely with Stuffed Crust, and possibly a couple of people in my null pile, Generic being a person of concern at this moment. Casso's vote on me is especially suspicious because Nacho knows how to read me really well. He's played plenty of games with me, I've asked for his advice on how to improve my game both in PMs and in public etc. If that slot has a read on me, it would be Nacho's and if they had a scum read, he would attack me extensively. Nacho sitting back and letting Thor throw in a troll vote doesn't match up with his town meta. Nacho also wouldn't be indifferent to having a read on me or let Thor take the lead.
He doesn't? Have you ever played with Nacho?In post 3063, Sakura Hana wrote:Also i'm retracting my townread on Casso and flipping it over. Nacho doesnt give easy townreads like that and it's bothering me like hell all.
I'm not a believer in the smiley tell, but it feels really really out of place here. You're gearing up to scum read them here based on not liking a trajectory on you and then omgus, and then you wipe it all away with aIn post 3096, Sakura Hana wrote:Yeah, but i dont like your OWN trajectory of your read on me, your suspicion has been increasing like an OMGUS to my increasing suspicion on you and when i suddenly start putting you as leaning scum you instantly vote meIn post 3095, geists wrote:That was hilarious, because you had no idea that what was most scummy in my behavior was pretending to do trajectory analysis when you asked for it, not that I hadn't done trajectory analysis before then.In post 3091, Sakura Hana wrote:I thought you'd be more willing considering on that newbie game my scumread on you came from your lack of trajectory analysis.In post 3089, geists wrote:And I never EVER produce them on cue when someone I'm scumreading demands one.
In post 3151, Bert wrote:Mara is kinda town here, what's wrong? :/
And yes I'm still scumreading geists. Did you notice Falcon's reluctance to vote geists at all despite agreeing with my points? And their distancing early in the game, and Ffery's reluctance to vote Falcon at all.
In post 3164, Bert wrote: Assuming you flip town, then I need to reset I think and trust your read on him. But still since when has Falcon ever attracted this much suspicion as town. EVER?
I thought you liked the chaos of noisy larges?
yes, yes, because in ADwD, you didn't declare someone obvtown just because Zdenek was scum reading them in a known multi ball set up.In post 3277, Casso the King of Seals wrote:Are you saying there's only one scum team?In post 3270, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:If Stuffed is scum, Casso is likely town.