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In post 164, pieguyn wrote:
probably like a 9 or a 9 1/2.In post 163, Varsoon wrote:Girls can be pieguys ~n.
Pie, on a scale of 0 to 10, how sure are you that there's actually no IC in this game and you got a bum role?
where do you intend to go with this?
Trying to gauge what the setup is like based off of what's been claimed and what I know to be true.
Chances are, everything in this game is just some nonsense intended to rub Pie the wrong way.
Knowing that helps me sort out some things and will be very helpful in mid/late game when roles are more important to the outcome of things.-
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Fucking beefboy.-
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Nahdia dropping an unexplained vote my direction after Dwlee okay's the wagon is something I can look over, like, "Okay, hm. Sure. Maybe there's something going on there."
But Beefboy sheeping after I call out the Aero sheep? Poor form.
Notably, Drealz didn't even answer me yet despite replying in thread twice, and you'd think someone so giddy would care to say something when directly addressed.
VOTE: Drealz
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Oh fuck you, yes I was.In post 230, Nahdia wrote:Varsoon isn't turian.-
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@Cakez: I had to see an answer before laying a vote down. Sometimes, shitty scum is just shitty scum.
Look at this. Drealmerz has shit up over half the pages so far with discussion that's tertiary to the game at hand.
When asked to get back on point, he doesn't at all, skirting quickly around a question about his alignment, directly, here and now, as if it were an awkward thing to engage with.
Then, when called out on that, he quickly goes into attack mode against a slot he had no previous qualms with.
Curious, no?
Looks like you're just blowing smoke and making the thread a pain in the ass for people to read.In post 235, drealmerz7 wrote:
I actually only saw it when I went back over (missed a few posts actually) and read, and was like "mehh" to answering itIn post 231, Varsoon wrote: Notably, Drealz didn't even answer me yet despite replying in thread twice, and you'd think someone so giddy would care to say something when directly addressed.
VOTE: Drealz
Stop talking about things that aren't thing game.
I mean...really? Looks like you're just fishing to make shit up too.
Insisting on discussion that's only tertiary doesn't help in the slightest. You want to go have a mafia discussion thread? Don't do it here.
Focusing on the game is hardly 'making shit up', and the 'too' there comes of as a rhetorical slip--either you're using it in addition to you considering my previous question something to not answer, which is admission that you'd rather discuss these tangential topics than the nature of your own alignment, or you're using 'too' to imply that someone else is making shit up, which, in this case, would be you.
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@Cakez: If it was just the off-topic stuff, I wouldn't have voted him. As you may notice, I didn't. Instead, I called for a stop to it while giving him an in to return to strictly game-related discussion. The response was less than favorable. You'll find that's why my vote is there and why it's remained there.
I haven't even begun, but, yeah, I'm going to have to adhere to smaller posts. My last P-EDIT was a whole damn page of replies.In post 279, Dwlee99 wrote:Varsoon is speaking too many words.-
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Because I'm fly as fuck and everyone wants a piece of this.
I will never understand this mentality. Like. Feels like the best way to get snowed as town and a coverup for buddying as scum. Can you explain a little more why you felt you wanted to do this?In post 379, beeboy wrote:I just felt like town blocing with people I had no read on
This feels off, too. Like, "Haha, glad we got wagoning me out of the way, amirite guuuuys?"In post 384, SirCakez wrote: I'm glad my obligatory day 1 wagon is getting out of the way early
Not this time around. Why did you claim extra role utility/power when you claimed Miller?In post 399, Aeronaut wrote: Varsoon, are you scum?
I see no reason to do that.
I suppose I'm coming from a personal bias. I've had a track record of shitting up threads just to kick up dust--Open 512 stands as a testament to that and why it should be immediately stopped.In post 399, Aeronaut wrote:
I don't understand how that portion of what Drealz is doing is AI. Like, you're focusing on the fact that he's barf-posting every thought and feeling, but what's the scum motive in that? Like, he's giving stances, so that doesn't make sense.
He's giving stances on things that are arbitrary to the game--I could tell you all about my favorite pizza toppings and how I feel about getting other scummers to buy me Pizza (I'm for it!) but that's hardly related to the game at hand.
Yes, he's still playing the game, yes, he's putting down some content that actually has to do with it, but imagine if we were at 10 pages instead of 18. It'd be beautiful. All that content and none of the chaff.-
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I'll dig 'em up, give me a sec.
First, though:
This is a garbage OMGUS attempt at revitalizing a wagon that started to lose pressure.In post 464, drealmerz7 wrote:VOTE: varsoon
I just ISOd you and you're bitching at my contributions and...those are yours??...
If this is your attempt at contributing to the game, it's all bluster and no actual work involved.
You ISO'd me? What'd you take umbrage with? OH, nothing? You just wanted a poor excuse to make it look like you're making an informed vote?
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If your only defense is to lie about my engagement with the game, I suggest you start focusing your efforts elsewhere or self-vote.In post 500, Varsoon wrote:@Cakez: I detail exactly what I find weak about the post while positing what I expect the slot to produce, should it be town.
Don't short-change me.
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TOWN:In post 514, Wisdom wrote:i dont feel like dreal is doing anything scummy
do you have any other reads?
pieguyn
pisskop
beeboy
Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald
Aeronaut
mhsmith0
Wisdom
Luna Fox
SirCakez
drealmerz7
SCUM
THIRD PARTY (CLAIMED, BUT PROBABLY ACTUALLY LYLOBILITY. THAT PUN DIDN'T WORK. LIABILITY + LYLO):
Nahdia
Basically.
I feel most confident in my reads on Pieguyn, Pisskop, Nahdia, drealmerz, SirCakez, and beeboy.
I also wouldn't let Aeronaut anywhere near LYLO with that claim, either.-
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This is pisskop's town game. I was able to confidently forward pisskop as town by my fourth post.
If you want more, I can share, but I'd rather keep some of it a secret until post-game.
I feel stronger about Drealz, and, as the votes on this page reflect, a drealz wagon is possible. That's why I haven't skipped from the Drealz vote that I initially made--I'm confident in the read, and, as Drealz posts more, I am not losing that confidence.In post 541, Wisdom wrote:also Id like to know why you're not voting Cakez who actually has a wagon if you're feeling confident about both him and drealm.
pedit: still @varsoon-
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Lynch the town--like, what do you mean?
I saw earlier posts as eager engagements with topics that went on for pages,
coupled with very non-committal reads posted from time to time. (Even now, drealz doesn't expound upon reads--like, why does he think Luna is so town? What posts, specifically? That amount of distance is a smokescreen, imo. It lets drealz come up with reasons later, rather than having to construct a narrative now.)
Moving forward, since I had already had a few votes and had expressed a negative pings from drealz,
It made sense for Drealz to vote me and play the angle that I'm scumpainting players; not that I'm scum pushing people over little issues, notably.
It's way easier for drealz to walk away from my flip with a "Well he was scumpainting everyone, so I thought he was scum, whoops." It excuses his play against me as weak town play, rather than scum play.-
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Until I begin posting videos of Macho Man Randy Savage and making photoshop edits of Charles Barkley, I have not yet flipped out.In post 564, SirCakez wrote: Right, except you flipped out, not just "detailing what was wrong with the post"
Did I go a little hard in the paint?
Sure.
That's what pressure looks like.-
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Town, I'd imagine, wouldn't be so dodgy when initially prompted about their alignment--at that point, drealz was heading the conversation. I sought to drive the rhetorical power away from that.
Furthermore, I don't see town being so late in their vote on me. When the initial votes swapped over to me as it was clear the Aeronaut wagon was losing traction, those made sense. Drealz' vote came after the fact, in a place that feels scum to me.
Finally, Drealz posts against me, while they may be mostly NAI, don't ever seek to vindicate the points I make against Drealz. It's this all-out attack, and, most of it, a redirect of very early points I made against Drealz. This tells me that, for some reason, those early criticisms are what stood out and what drealz takes offense to. Which, likely, means that they're on-point.-
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That's probably the case, too.In post 572, Wisdom wrote:
yeah ill just stop you thereIn post 570, Varsoon wrote:Town, I'd imagine, wouldn't be so dodgy
dont assume townies actually play like town should play, or you'll misread people all the time
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I don't want to give up my push because I'm confident in a scum flip.In post 582, SirCakez wrote:Varsoon is scum who doesn't want to give up his push because he'll look bad me thinks
Give a shit about how I look.
Yeah, because drealz isn't town.In post 584, Gamma Emerald wrote:Actually, I'd be okay lynching Varsoon or dreal rn
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Ayyy, does my read on you have anything to do with this one, Cakez?
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I'm not talking about the Miller claim--that was a good idea. Claiming Miller D1 is what you should always do.In post 735, Aeronaut wrote: Can you please explain all of the good reasons for scum!me to claim that, and all of the poor reasons for town!me to claim it, because as far as I'm concerned, every player who gets a miller role should claim it on D1, preferably earlier than I did.
I'm talking about being the highest voted wagon and then claiming Miller but also claiming your role is very powerful otherwise.
I've avoided discussing this further because doing so strips any perceivable town utility from such a thing, but, fuck it, you've pushed the envelope:
There's only two reasons I see for town to claim the 'but-powerful' part of 'Miller-but-powerful' in that situation:
1. Survivability from the lynch.
2. To draw the scum kill.
However, since scum players don't have to worry about drawing a kill, claiming you have a powerful role otherwise, as scum, allows for the following:
1. Survivability from the lynch.
2. Potential to look good on a rolecop/watcher check if you've got a traditionally 'town' looking role.
3. To draw town role-related investigations, which, if you're claiming this as scum, you're admitting that you'll come up as a scum player, but you've now got an 'out' to target people with your 'powerful role'.
4. To allow you a free pass later, when you actually claim that 'but-powerful' part of your role. Because you've left it intentionally vague now, other players can only speculate, and you can tailor it to being whatever you want later. Your kill fails? Oh! You're a doctor or BP now! You're put close to lynch again? Suddenly, you're a cop!
5. You're looking to draw town protectives away from others, because players will want to protect a claimed 'powerful' role rather than blindly pick someone else.
Claiming Miller was the right move to make if you're actually a town miller. However, if you're a town miller with a 'powerful' role, you've only painted a target on your back, which is only helpful if:
1. You're hoping to draw a protective
2. You're hoping to draw and punish a kill.
The first of which is unlikely, because, with the Miller claim alone, you could've enacted the 'more powerful' aspect of your role without scrutiny.
The second of which is stripped of most utility and now only WIFOM given that I've covered it and it's been put front and center.
So, yeah. Poor reasons for town to claim that way.
Perceivably good reasons for scum to claim that way.
If I'm wrong, please don't correct me. If you're town, I don't want you to flush away any further utility your role might have.
If you're gambitting with the whole 'more powerful' bit, stop it.
If you're scum, you'll be lynched before LYLO regardless.-
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Jesus 10 pages.
I'm just gonna pull a Klingoncelt and respond as I catch up.
@mhsmith: I still felt like there was plenty of pressure on Aero, especially with the Pie backup IC claim. If I have my timeline of shit wrong, then I do, fuggit, whatever. Actually, if there wasn't wagon pressure on Aero, it makes softing the other part of his role more awkward, maybe. :/-
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Can you elaborate more on this or quote the posts where you do?In post 793, Luna Fox wrote:
I'm not stoppingIn post 791, Wisdom wrote:luna can this please stop? it's not helping the game
beeboy's like 99% scum in my eyes.
'cus I think you're probably both town, though I don't follow your logic nearly as much as beefy's.-
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Would you be less critical of it if gamma was hoping onto wagons that you supported?In post 854, SirCakez wrote:Also let's talk about how opportunistic this is
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But you're on my wagon!In post 1023, Aeronaut wrote:granted the people on vasoon's wagon aren't the best :/
Besides, I can get that you're a bit miffed that I zero'd in on your claim, but you put down a massive thing and literally everyone just ignored that shit.
What was I to do?
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I'm trying to highlight a bit of his bias.In post 1028, Aeronaut wrote:Varsoon why would he ever answer yes to that
Gamma does have posts, though.-
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In post 886, pieguyn wrote:
I would like an explicit agreement for this.In post 872, pieguyn wrote:I would rather a lynch not occur before I actually have a chance to sit down and do shit in this game. thanks in advance.
My vote's not moving unless it's got good reason to.In post 887, Nahdia wrote:do people really feel the need for this circus to continue for another 10 days
let's just lynch something and all cool off for a nice relaxing 48 hours.
I would also prefer a lynch at this point, as there's plenty of content to inform one and there's just been, as I've seen, mostly bickering otherwise.
Some flips would be welcome info.-
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I'm really going to have to let you down.In post 1038, Aeronaut wrote:Varsoon i <3 you but you definitely rolled scum this game
The question was hardly pointless.In post 1036, Aeronaut wrote:
more examples of Varsoon asking aimless questions yayIn post 1034, drealmerz7 wrote:
you mean like "drealmer, are you scum?"In post 1028, Aeronaut wrote:Varsoon why would he ever answer yes to that
Yes--the direct question, what it was asking, fuckin' bullshit. I'll say that.
The WHOLE POINT was that I was testing to see if Drealz would actually step off of his tangential discussion to talk about the game, even when asked something so awkwardly direct about his alignment.
He didn't. He purposefully avoided it.
Like goddamn
Did you really think
"Oh man Varsoon sure is miffed this guy didn't admit to being scum or not?"
Because the whole spark of my wagon on drealz is "Varsoon thinks it's scummy to actively avoid engaging with the reality of the game, while posting several pages of fluff."
Furthermore, holy shit, is it reductive to have my entire push against drealz confined to that moment--especially so when you rubes don't even understand the goddamn point of it.-
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LOL I AM NOT SCUM, I JUST PLAY ANTI-TOWN TO DRAW 'EM INIn post 917, drealmerz7 wrote:
it's often how I play to try and draw scum to me to sort them, but not always, just when I'm in the moodIn post 902, SirCakez wrote:Also I think dreal is a super lynchbaity player and that scum are taking advantage of that
issue is when I have to convince ppl on it, works better when ppl know me, but, still, tis how I play sometimes so it's how I'm playing
hint: vote varsoon
SL-SLA-SLAYERS GAMBIT, GUYS!
Fuck, holy shit, I've laid out several points against Drealz and all I see is this dude just constantly parroting, "Lol yeah, vote varsoon."
I'm exasperated with that shit.-
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I've already explained this.In post 1044, Aeronaut wrote:but I feel like you could have asked so many other questions to get him to talk about the game, such as (but not limited to): What are your town reads? What are your scum reads? How do you feel about so-and-so?
Instead of blarg are u scum look at me I'm edgy
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Literally OMGUS.In post 922, drealmerz7 wrote:
because he's scum duhIn post 920, Wisdom wrote:why should we vote varsoon again?
c'mon, you should know to ask better questions
That's all there is to it.
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@Aero: See post 570 by me and 525 by Beeboy.
Then ISO Drealz and see how many posts of his are literally, "VOTE VARSOON HE IS SCUM" and nothing else.
That should be enough for anyone to lynch that shit.-
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Keep slipping. Scum wouldn't be 'accounting for you being town' because they'd know you're town.In post 1052, drealmerz7 wrote:
is that you aren't accounting for me being town who simply didn't want to engage your inane questionsIn post 1042, Varsoon wrote: The WHOLE POINT
you found something to latch onto to paint me as scum and then some more and pushed me as scum until you realized you couldn't back down (because of the things I say so that you can't wiggle out of it like I've learned scum to do)
keep wiggling though, it's purrrrrty
Furthermore, I haven't latched on to any one thing. It's you and your defenders that keep bringing up that singular point of contention.
That's literally what drealz is doing.In post 1050, Wisdom wrote:
i dont recall even one of them right nowIn post 1046, Varsoon wrote:I've laid out several points against Drealz
All i remember was you spamming hes scum
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There's a pretty clear line between "This is D1 and this is the most anti-town player" and a policy lynch, such as "I don't like Wisdom, let's lynch him so we don't have to sort him out."In post 1057, Wisdom wrote:
570 just looks like "i dislike his playstyle to me"In post 1053, Varsoon wrote:@Aero: See post 570 by me and 525 by Beeboy.
Then ISO Drealz and see how many posts of his are literally, "VOTE VARSOON HE IS SCUM" and nothing else.
That should be enough for anyone to lynch that shit.
I dont recall you being a fan of policy lynches?
It's exhausting, dealing with all this, though. Like, goddamn, fuck me for caring about my reads and pushing a wagon. Everyone's been trying to stall that shit so hard and discrediting me every fucking step of the way.-
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Yeah, well, I've laid out my rationale, but, y'know, fuck it. I'm the scatman. If you don't get it when I explain it, then you're not going to ever get it. We're of two different minds.In post 1064, Aeronaut wrote:Varsoon I'm really not trying to frustrate you. And you're acting like I'm the only one who doesn't understand your reasoning and it's like a lot of people
No, basically what I'm saying is that Dreal, when put under pressure, does not engage with the reality of the game, gives reads without supporting them, has been counter-pushing against my wagon with only conjecture that I am scum and little else, all while playing his up as low hanging fruit. That's anti-town play. Could it be town? Fuckin' sure, yeah, everyone could be. The whole point of mafia is to make an informed decision on your lynch. With the info I have, this is the lynch I feel most strongly about and most likely about flipping scum.In post 1063, Wisdom wrote:but thats what youre basically saying
"dreal is obnoxious/weird/other objectives, no way hes town, lets lynch him"
So simple question, have you not seen townies play like dreal (or worse) before?
I've seen townies play far worse, but this isn't an issue of 'bad play' and I wish people wouldn't be so quick to give drealz that benefit of reading him as town for it.-
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IF you think that's posturing, holy shit.In post 1068, drealmerz7 wrote:
how LAMIST of youIn post 1039, Varsoon wrote: I would also prefer a lynch at this point, as there's plenty of content to inform one and there's just been, as I've seen, mostly bickering otherwise.
Some flips would be welcome info.
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Generating content that allows for transparency in their reads and play, actively engaging with other players, and being critical of anti-town play--these all contribute to early townreads, for me. Obviously, scum can do all those things, which is why I don't catch scum with 100% clarity every game.In post 1070, Wisdom wrote:Then do you have a townread on everyone else?-
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Bullshit. I've been questioning, critical, and observant of others' play so far. I've brought up plenty of points no one else has. Apologies if I'm not pulling out the Wake-laser or whatever the fuck he calls it and addressing every single player in a wall post every post I make.
The only other player I am even considering for a lynch today is Cakez, and that's largely between his 'Woe-is-me' AtE, staunch defense of drealz, and poor contributions (imo) otherwise.
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