Mini 1856 - This Mafia Game is for pieguyn (Game Over)

[Wisdom]

I've laid out several points against Drealz

i dont recall even one of them right now
All i remember was you spamming hes scum

[Gamma Emerald]

What other points do you have besides that he's posting useless shit?

How about egging on the Luna-beeboy debate

[drealmerz7]

The WHOLE POINT

is that you aren't accounting for me being town who simply didn't want to engage your inane questions

you found something to latch onto to paint me as scum and then some more and pushed me as scum until you realized you couldn't back down (because of the things I say so that you can't wiggle out of it like I've learned scum to do)

keep wiggling though, it's purrrrrty

[Varsoon]

why should we vote varsoon again?

because he's scum duh

c'mon, you should know to ask better questions

Literally OMGUS.

That's all there is to it.

P-EDIT:
@Aero: See post 570 by me and 525 by Beeboy.
Then ISO Drealz and see how many posts of his are literally, "VOTE VARSOON HE IS SCUM" and nothing else.
That should be enough for anyone to lynch that shit.

[beeboy]

I would still say it is more likely he is scum for doing it, it is just something scum do much more often then town.

no, it really isn't, and I hope it's obvious to anyone watching that "he's ignoring me, he's scum!!11" is a really shallow reason to scum read someone.

I feel like people who claim to have thoughts and don't actually post them for whatever reason are more likely to be scum, like it isn't a matter of things I don't like that is an actual trend among scum I have noticed.
Yes town can do it but meh none of the posts he has made has made me feel particularly good about him.

[beeboy]

What other points do you have besides that he's posting useless shit?

How about egging on the Luna-beeboy debate

Also this.

[Varsoon]

The WHOLE POINT

is that you aren't accounting for me being town who simply didn't want to engage your inane questions

you found something to latch onto to paint me as scum and then some more and pushed me as scum until you realized you couldn't back down (because of the things I say so that you can't wiggle out of it like I've learned scum to do)

keep wiggling though, it's purrrrrty

Keep slipping. Scum wouldn't be 'accounting for you being town' because they'd know you're town.
Furthermore, I haven't latched on to any one thing. It's you and your defenders that keep bringing up that singular point of contention.

I've laid out several points against Drealz

i dont recall even one of them right now
All i remember was you spamming hes scum

That's literally what drealz is doing.
:l

[Wisdom]

@Aero: See post 570 by me and 525 by Beeboy.
Then ISO Drealz and see how many posts of his are literally, "VOTE VARSOON HE IS SCUM" and nothing else.
That should be enough for anyone to lynch that shit.

570 just looks like "i dislike his playstyle to me"
I dont recall you being a fan of policy lynches?

[Luna Fox]

ugh i need to re-read the last 5ish or so pages because i've been skimming them and now i feel lost.

[Aeronaut]

Town, I'd imagine, wouldn't be so dodgy when initially prompted about their alignment--at that point, drealz was heading the conversation. I sought to drive the rhetorical power away from that.

Ok...

So you're saying town wouldn't be dodgy about their alignment... I don't really see scum doing it either. I see either alignment saying "I am town" because that's what you do. It's like how there should be one and only one answer to the question "do you denounce the KKK?".

Furthermore, I don't see town being so late in their vote on me. When the initial votes swapped over to me as it was clear the Aeronaut wagon was losing traction, those made sense. Drealz' vote came after the fact, in a place that feels scum to me.

Ok, so he was opportunistic. You could say the same about Gamma but you haven't mentioned him. Why is that?

Finally, Drealz posts against me, while they may be mostly NAI, don't ever seek to vindicate the points I make against Drealz. It's this all-out attack, and, most of it, a redirect of very early points I made against Drealz. This tells me that, for some reason, those early criticisms are what stood out and what drealz takes offense to. Which, likely, means that they're on-point.

I don't really see how this matters if the other points don't.

[Varsoon]

@Aero: See post 570 by me and 525 by Beeboy.
Then ISO Drealz and see how many posts of his are literally, "VOTE VARSOON HE IS SCUM" and nothing else.
That should be enough for anyone to lynch that shit.

570 just looks like "i dislike his playstyle to me"
I dont recall you being a fan of policy lynches?

There's a pretty clear line between "This is D1 and this is the most anti-town player" and a policy lynch, such as "I don't like Wisdom, let's lynch him so we don't have to sort him out."

It's exhausting, dealing with all this, though. Like, goddamn, fuck me for caring about my reads and pushing a wagon. Everyone's been trying to stall that shit so hard and discrediting me every fucking step of the way.

[Varsoon]

@Aero: Sometimes the sum of the parts makes a greater whole.
Regardless, let me dig my own ISO to find reasoning that you missed so that you can disagree with it.

[Varsoon]

PS: By that, I mean, no. I won't. Because I'm not going to play into Drealz' hand of exacerbating myself over the tiny, initial thing that pinged me on him.

[Wisdom]

but thats what youre basically saying

"dreal is obnoxious/weird/other objectives, no way hes town, lets lynch him"

So simple question, have you not seen townies play like dreal (or worse) before?

[Aeronaut]

Varsoon I'm really not trying to frustrate you. And you're acting like I'm the only one who doesn't understand your reasoning and it's like a lot of people

[Wisdom]

objectives

adjectives*

[drealmerz7]

The WHOLE POINT

is that you aren't accounting for me being town

who simply didn't want to engage your inane questions

Keep slipping. Scum wouldn't be 'accounting for you being town' because they'd know you're town.

keep scumming

that's not what I said

[drealmerz7]

stupid quotes but you get it

[drealmerz7]

I would also prefer a lynch at this point, as there's plenty of content to inform one and there's just been, as I've seen, mostly bickering otherwise.
Some flips would be welcome info.

how LAMIST of you

[Varsoon]

Varsoon I'm really not trying to frustrate you. And you're acting like I'm the only one who doesn't understand your reasoning and it's like a lot of people

Yeah, well, I've laid out my rationale, but, y'know, fuck it. I'm the scatman. If you don't get it when I explain it, then you're not going to ever get it. We're of two different minds.

but thats what youre basically saying

"dreal is obnoxious/weird/other objectives, no way hes town, lets lynch him"

So simple question, have you not seen townies play like dreal (or worse) before?

No, basically what I'm saying is that Dreal, when put under pressure, does not engage with the reality of the game, gives reads without supporting them, has been counter-pushing against my wagon with only conjecture that I am scum and little else, all while playing his up as low hanging fruit. That's anti-town play. Could it be town? Fuckin' sure, yeah, everyone could be. The whole point of mafia is to make an informed decision on your lynch. With the info I have, this is the lynch I feel most strongly about and most likely about flipping scum.

I've seen townies play far worse, but this isn't an issue of 'bad play' and I wish people wouldn't be so quick to give drealz that benefit of reading him as town for it.

[Wisdom]

Then do you have a townread on everyone else?

[Varsoon]

I would also prefer a lynch at this point, as there's plenty of content to inform one and there's just been, as I've seen, mostly bickering otherwise.
Some flips would be welcome info.

how LAMIST of you

IF you think that's posturing, holy shit.

[Varsoon]

Then do you have a townread on everyone else?

Generating content that allows for transparency in their reads and play, actively engaging with other players, and being critical of anti-town play--these all contribute to early townreads, for me. Obviously, scum can do all those things, which is why I don't catch scum with 100% clarity every game.

[Wisdom]

Like, if youre acknowledging the possibility he could be town, you would be trying to sort others

You havent really been doing that

So how is he the better "informed decision"?

[Wisdom]

Generating content that allows for transparency in their reads and play, actively engaging with other players, and being critical of anti-town play--these all contribute to early townreads, for me. Obviously, scum can do all those things, which is why I don't catch scum with 100% clarity every game.

ok thats incredibly shallow and not answering my question