Mini 1856 - This Mafia Game is for pieguyn (Game Over)

[SirCakez]

VOTE: guyinfreezer
One true bastard test

[SirCakez]

Oh btw me, Nahdia, Cakez and Dwlee are an official town block

VOTE: Luna fox

[SirCakez]

I can already tell this is gonna be a rough game for scumhunting

[SirCakez]

My problem right now is like almost everyone who's posted has posted something townie, but they can't all be town
And I highly doubt all of the scum are just in the people doing nothing

so
P-edit: actually
VOTE: pisskop

[SirCakez]

Aero's opening indeed sucked but the way he got wagoned so quickly almost feels too easy
If that makes sense

[SirCakez]

Pisskop is an active poster?

[SirCakez]

Aero's opening indeed sucked but the way he got wagoned so quickly almost feels too easy
If that makes sense

Oh sure it's been a really easy wagon, but why is that indicative either way for him? If he's scum then he could have a buddy bussing, or maybe scum are just inactive so far.

It could have been bussing, but my gut says it wasn't

Pisskop is an active poster?

Your justification was seemingly "he's not an active poster". So if all you're doing is voting an inactive (it didn't seem like you had more justification than that), why not vote an inactive that has votes?

No that's not why I'm voting pisskop
I'm voting him because his Gamma push feels like scum going for an easy target

[SirCakez]

Dwlee could be scum

[SirCakez]

guys vote varsoon

Because _____?
Like, it seems even more random than usual to just be voting a 0 poster.

my role pm makes me believe varsoon is probably scum

Wut

cakez is taken in by the jelly monster.

aero is a lurker fuck as scum

This is true but it's 5 pages into the game
If he's still doing nothing in a few IRL days then I'll reevaluate

[SirCakez]

TIL Luna relies on beeboy to read me

[SirCakez]

i mean, it worked so well in Summer Waltz.

DO NOT MENTION THAT

[SirCakez]

It's a jokey post but I see malice inside it

The first line feels WIFOMy enough to feel scummy

This is pretty reachy

[SirCakez]

Town: Smith, Pie, Cakez, Dwlee, Nahdia

I'll sheep this

You are scum aren't you?

VOTE: drealer

VOTE: drealmer

Dreal looks like spazzy, low hanging fruit town to me

Definitely a scum in these two, I don't think both are though because I don't see scum doubling up on votes here immediately

Instead of talking about this fargone hardly-game-related external nonsense,
let's get to the meat of the thing:

Drealmerz. Are you scum?
This is your one chance to answer truthfully.

This is probably scum with one of the above, throwing shade w/o actually voting.

too many pages I'm not reading

my vote still looks good

And this also could be scum.

Damn and I thought finding scummy people would be hard

[SirCakez]

not liking cakez either

Only said immediately after I call him scummy lol

But scum would pretend to read the thread.
Or they wouldn't come in and say they aren't reading the thread.

Why not? It makes easy towncred for this precise reason, and Wisdom is experience enough to utilize it.

@Cakez: I had to see an answer before laying a vote down. Sometimes, shitty scum is just shitty scum.
Look at this. Drealmerz has shit up over half the pages so far with discussion that's tertiary to the game at hand.
When asked to get back on point, he doesn't at all, skirting quickly around a question about his alignment, directly, here and now, as if it were an awkward thing to engage with.
Then, when called out on that, he quickly goes into attack mode against a slot he had no previous qualms with.
Curious, no?

I don't think shitting up the thread with Mafia Discussion topics is AI tho
Annoying yes
I'm not seeing the other stuff.

Definitely a scum in these two, I don't think both are though because I don't see scum doubling up on votes here immediately

I think you may have missed a post earlier in the game lol

What post

[SirCakez]

Only said immediately after I call him scummy lol

VOTE: cakez

kek

@Cakez: If it was just the off-topic stuff, I wouldn't have voted him. As you may notice, I didn't. Instead, I called for a stop to it while giving him an in to return to strictly game-related discussion. The response was less than favorable. You'll find that's why my vote is there and why it's remained there.

I'm not seeing the less then favorable response?

Why not? It makes easy towncred for this precise reason, and Wisdom is experience enough to utilize it.

But I am like the only player that would give him town cred for that.

Other people are giving him towncred for it tho

[SirCakez]

Derp I thought someone besides Beeboy was townreading him for it
Still that's a dumb reason to TR him

[SirCakez]

Wisdom/beeboy scum together

Nah beeboy is town

[SirCakez]

I mean, Aero was who he voted, and then someone asked him if the vote was still good, and he was like "yep" and "because I ISO'd". I don't actually see what's suspicious about it. If you want to call it NAI and a playstyle thing fine, but I don't see the scum pings from it at all.

Also he said he "didn't like me either" before he voted me. But he apparently didn't read the game so it doesn't make sense how he couldn't like me at the point.

VOTE: sircakez
I dont like when my questions arent answered.
(the vote and that statement arent connectedl

What questions lol

[SirCakez]

I guess you could, but it would be (and was) a really shitty opinion considering I had said a lot more then just that one post.

[SirCakez]

shitty opinion is one thing and "it doesnt make sense he had a read" is another

Fair
Doesn't make sense you had a

strong

read then

[SirCakez]

Plus, since you're scumreading me you should know that means I'm town
Kappa

[SirCakez]

But i dont like his posts

10/10

What questions lol

what the..

You voted me for not answering questions....

[SirCakez]

So then why the vote?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: cakez

I should probably stop joking around before people start to vote me for it, right cakez?

I have no idea what this means

I'm glad my obligatory day 1 wagon is getting out of the way early

[SirCakez]

lol what

[SirCakez]

Aero why not claim miller in your opening post if you were going to do it?
I explained the pisskop vote later, keep reading.

[SirCakez]

Dwlee I get where you're coming from, it just makes no sense
Like how is that post going to get you and PK 1v1ing?

[SirCakez]

Yeah? That's not going to cause a fight between you two.

[SirCakez]

Hype

[SirCakez]

The hype is for PK saying things later fyi

[SirCakez]

Then WTF did you mean?

[SirCakez]

Then WTF did you mean?

That you're setting up a pool of two people and declaring one has to be scum 2 days into the game

That's what I'm doing, yes.

[SirCakez]

For what purpose?
It's not quite the same as delineating town and scum reads.

For my sorting purposes

My hype for pisskop's content was wildly dissapointed

[SirCakez]

I'll dig 'em up, give me a sec.

First, though:

VOTE: varsoon

I just ISOd you and you're bitching at my contributions and...those are yours??...

This is a garbage OMGUS attempt at revitalizing a wagon that started to lose pressure.
If this is your attempt at contributing to the game, it's all bluster and no actual work involved.
You ISO'd me? What'd you take umbrage with? OH, nothing? You just wanted a poor excuse to make it look like you're making an informed vote?

Eat rope.

I don't even think drealmerz's vote was strong but this is a huge overreaction, especially to someone you're already scumreading

[SirCakez]

@Cakez: I detail exactly what I find weak about the post while positing what I expect the slot to produce, should it be town.
Don't short-change me.

Right, except you flipped out, not just "detailing what was wrong with the post"

i dont feel like dreal is doing anything scummy

So it's not just me

[SirCakez]

Right, except you flipped out, not just "detailing what was wrong with the post"

Until I begin posting videos of Macho Man Randy Savage and making photoshop edits of Charles Barkley, I have not yet flipped out.
Did I go a little hard in the paint?
Sure.
That's what pressure looks like.

mmk

[SirCakez]

Varsoon is scum who doesn't want to give up his push because he'll look bad me thinks

[SirCakez]

VOTE: varsoon
Adios

[SirCakez]

Nope, I was scumreading you before you gave a read on me

[SirCakez]

I have luna as gut town fyi, which is why I haven't addressed the wagon yet

[SirCakez]

VOTE: drealz

Look at this guy
Voting anywhere he can

[SirCakez]

wut

[SirCakez]

Beeboy your dreal push sucks, move on
You're scumreading him for NAI stuff
Same for your push on luna

Come join us on varsoon instead!

[SirCakez]

Read my iso
You were scumreading him earlier too, no?

[SirCakez]

Read my iso
You were scumreading him earlier too, no?

no
Your only given reason is you disagree with his dreal read
What makes it a scum tunnel rather than town?

Because Varsoon is experienced and good enough to recognize he's tunneling town here.

pieguyn - town lean
Varsoon - ???
Luna Fox - null
Gamma Emerald - town lean
Nahdia - ???
Wisdom - town lean
drealmerz7 - ???
SirCakez - ???
Aeronaut - town lean
beeboy - town
Dwlee99 - ???
pisskop - ???

I feel like I should have a decent scum read by now but I don't particularly.

This readslist is awful. No reads on over half the playerlist?

Beeboy vs luna is making me want to kms

[SirCakez]

Except that you also recognize when your tunnels suck as town, which Varsoon SHOULD be doing here
But he's not

[SirCakez]

sure i do.. Like 20% of the time

This is really a ridiculous point and the fact you keep pushing it just makes you look worse

Idgaf how I look

[SirCakez]

Beeboy stop
Come back to the light side

[SirCakez]

This game is fucking stupid
If I get mislynched day 1 again I'm probably going to quit mafia
It's not even fun anymore

[SirCakez]

OK that was overly dramatic but it felt good to vent

[SirCakez]

and when my faction still won in the end you told me you'll seek revenge one day.

Did this conversation happen in your head or something?

Nope, and when im finding im gonna slap it in your face.
Tho if it's in a private communication it'll probably get me modkilled but w/e im not letting you get away with blatantly lying about what you've told me.

Can you two kiss and make up already
That would be great

[SirCakez]

Nope, and when im finding im gonna slap it in your face.
Tho if it's in a private communication it'll probably get me modkilled but w/e im not letting you get away with blatantly lying about what you've told me.

Do you want me to just replace out because us being in a game together clearly isn't working?
I don't particularly want to replace out but this is genuinely stupid and want this to stop.

@Calez: Nope
I've never been more pissed at someone than i am in this game right now.

[SirCakez]

I'm just not going to read their posts until they stop this pointless 1v1

[SirCakez]

VOTE: SirCakez

VOTE: drealmerz

Also let's talk about how opportunistic this is
No posting from gamma, just hopping on wagons whenever

[SirCakez]

No vote varsoon

[SirCakez]

Actually I could go with a gamma wagon
That vote hopping was scummy as shit and I can't remember why I town read him

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

You know, I bet drealmerz is going to flip scum
Because MS fate likes trolling me like that q.q
P-edit: LET ME POST

[SirCakez]

cakez, read on dreal?

Town obviously

[SirCakez]

Because everything he's done is NAI IMO and scum like varsoon and gamma are pushing him

[SirCakez]

Because everything he's done is NAI IMO and scum like varsoon and gamma are pushing him

Remind me why varsoon and gamma are wolves? Ive kinda gotten distracted of late for

reasons

.

Varsoon - his crappy tunnel on dreal
Gamma - read last two pages

Because everything he's done is NAI IMO and scum like varsoon and gamma are pushing him

neither varsoon or gamma have flipped scum so this is bullshit
Youre better than this

I know, I know, pre flip associative are shitty
But it just feels so obvious at this point to me that dreal is being pushed by scum

[SirCakez]

Also I think dreal is a super lynchbaity player and that scum are taking advantage of that

[SirCakez]

Because everything he's done is NAI IMO and scum like varsoon and gamma are pushing him

Remind me why varsoon and gamma are wolves? Ive kinda gotten distracted of late for

reasons

.

Varsoon - his crappy tunnel on dreal
Gamma - read last two pages

Because everything he's done is NAI IMO and scum like varsoon and gamma are pushing him

neither varsoon or gamma have flipped scum so this is bullshit
Youre better than this

I know, I know, pre flip associative are shitty
But it just feels so obvious at this point to me that dreal is being pushed by scum

Eh, gammas been on dreal a while, so naked hopping back there doesn't bother me. I would like him to explain his hop onto you though.

Probably should re-read varsoon and actually get an opinion there.

It's not as much the dreal vote itself that bothers me as the hopping that went on around it

Luna being a lyncher on beeboy almost feels like TOO much of a coincidence, what with the obvious grudge they've got going on
P-edit: wut

[SirCakez]

I am voting him

[SirCakez]

Because he's scum

[SirCakez]

Aero do you still think dreal is low hanging fruit?

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

@SC yea and no. Nothing he's done has made me think he's town, but Varsoon's push on him is weird, tunnelly, and fallacious. That makes Varsoon a better lynch.

This is where I'm at with dreal.

Dont you think scum cakez could easily make the same sort of comment on two votes on a percieved lynchbait?

I dont like the certainty in it, why couldnt both votes be town, especially if he thinks dreal is likely to attract town votes?

You know, I bet drealmerz is going to flip scum
Because MS fate likes trolling me like that q.q
P-edit: LET ME POST

SC here sounds like he's preparing to be wrong.

You know, I bet drealmerz is going to flip scum
Because MS fate likes trolling me like that q.q
P-edit: LET ME POST

fuck this is such a towny post

no not at all

Luna if you don't stop I am replacing out of this game.

NO YOU ARENT YOU DRAGGED ME INTO THIS GAME AND YOU'RE GOING DOWN WITH ME

I love you Dwlee

Because everything he's done is NAI IMO and scum like varsoon and gamma are pushing him

Remind me why varsoon and gamma are wolves? Ive kinda gotten distracted of late for

reasons

.

Varsoon - his crappy tunnel on dreal
Gamma - read last two pages

Because everything he's done is NAI IMO and scum like varsoon and gamma are pushing him

neither varsoon or gamma have flipped scum so this is bullshit
Youre better than this

I know, I know, pre flip associative are shitty
But it just feels so obvious at this point to me that dreal is being pushed by scum

I'm curious, who would you say is scum if you were wrong and Dreal flipped red?

Also I think dreal is a super lynchbaity player and that scum are taking advantage of that

I mainly agree with this, though. Dreal is a very Aristophanian player in that people look at his posting style and scumread him for it.

Probably Gamma (looks like a bus if dreal is scum) and either Wisdom or you

also did i mention gamma is town?
yeah

No he's not

So why aren't we lynching Varsoon

How is Drealz worse than Varsoon

The question I've been asking!

VOTE: SirCakez

VOTE: drealmerz

Also let's talk about how opportunistic this is
No posting from gamma, just hopping on wagons whenever

Would you be less critical of it if gamma was hoping onto wagons that you supported?

No, it was scummy regardless of the vote targets.

[SirCakez]

Obviously

[SirCakez]

Well the reasons are already in the thread

Only after I called you out

Pie is seeing all the same things about Varsoon
@dreal voters
Do you really think he would keep trolling here like he has been if he was scum?

[SirCakez]

The correct answer is lolno

[SirCakez]

Well the reasons are already in the thread

Only after I called you out

Pie is seeing all the same things about Varsoon
@dreal voters

Do you really think he would keep trolling here like he has been if he was scum?

That literally makes Drealz more likely to be scum. Scum are perfectly capable of committing to a game plan. I feel like trolling town would be a lot more likely to stop if there lynch was becoming inedivitable since that is very much against there win con but he probably just feels like scum who has already committed to a game plan and is hoping to get town read out of it. (Although it could just be null) Like i literally made a point of playing horribly at times in Gistou because I thought it would get our a lot town read (and it did)

Except people are literally scumreading him solely because he's being uncooperative
There's a very good chance he would get out of this lynch if he stopped being a troll. It's gone beyond scum trying to get townreads imo

[SirCakez]

He's at L-1 beeboy? Pretty clear it's not working
I'm pretty sure wisdom is just scumreading anyone who disagrees with him

[SirCakez]

Nahdia has made it pretty clear she thinks dreal is scum
Who unvoted?

[SirCakez]

He's at L-1 beeboy? Pretty clear it's not working
I'm pretty sure wisdom is just scumreading anyone who disagrees with him

nice try at discrediting

It's true though
Youre scumreading basically everyone who isn't interested in lynching dreal

[SirCakez]

here we go again....

[SirCakez]

zzzz at least tomorrow the scumfucks won't be able to hide

[SirCakez]

and now L-3

dw I'm sure you'll get your mislynch soon enough

[SirCakez]

if that's real i'm going to kms

[SirCakez]

i'm pretty sure wisdom is either scum or so confbiased I could reveal as IC and he'd still scumread me
FeelsBadMan

[SirCakez]

Troll lock?

[SirCakez]

and how the fuck were we supposed to know shes a nurse?

VOTE: cakez

Look at this shit
0 conviction behind the dreal read

Pie is pretty obviously town, Cakez is pretty obviously a shit wagon

fucking bullshit

both you and pie keep calling cakez town out of nowhere when its completely unwarranted

where's your cakes case

Hint: there isn't one other then "I don't like his posts"
It's total garbage

[SirCakez]

Wisdom you're the one who sucks considering I'm town (unless you're scum)

[SirCakez]

Like seriously
You've tried to lynch me literally every game we've ever played together (except for when I was IC)

[SirCakez]

Because Varsoon has spent the entire game tunneling a PR? (I'm assuming dreal is town)

[SirCakez]

Because Varsoon has spent the entire game tunneling a PR? (I'm assuming dreal is town)

Misreppin' hard, bro.
Why are you treating the claim as if it's 100% factual and that, somehow, I knew that?
Why are you insisting on the 'Varsoon is tunneling' meme?

Because I'm town reading dreal
There's no way for you to have known it, but you were tunneling town unless dreal is pulling a good one on me
What meme lol

Because Varsoon has spent the entire game tunneling a PR? (I'm assuming dreal is town)

Me and Ranger once spent an entire game tunneling a claimed PR.

That's you and ranger tho
Varsoon doesn't pull this kind of stuff usually, and I'm not the only one to have seen it

[SirCakez]

@varsoon the games I've played with you?

[SirCakez]

Given how flippant Drealz is about everything else, I don't think he'd claim something that wasn't handed to him by the mod.

@Cakez: What games, though?

Real folk blues and magical girls for two

[SirCakez]

varsoon tunnels dreal
dreal tunnels varsoon and beeboy
beeboy tunnels dreal and luna
luna tunnels beeboy

Meanwhile cakez/aero/pie are laughing at you winning the game for them

pisskop, dwlee, nahdia, mhsmith help

look at him just slip this pie scumread in there
Never mind that wouldn't make sense at all

[SirCakez]

he literally said he thought pies claim was town like two pages ago
Because backup IC would be an absurd scum fakeclaim

[SirCakez]

Her play is all shrug this and shrug that and calling cakez town and varsoon scum based on nothing

this is total bullshit too
She's said like 10x as much as wisdom about those reads

[SirCakez]

Beeboy I have him as null but the stuff he's spewing is making me irrationally angry which is why I keep calling bullshit on him

[SirCakez]

Her play is all shrug this and shrug that and calling cakez town and varsoon scum based on nothing

this is total bullshit too
She's said like 10x as much as wisdom about those reads

yeah because more words = more town clearly

this is completely dodging the point of that post
P-edit: he had her as town all the way until that readslist Luna????

[SirCakez]

Well Wisdom with how you constantly try to lynch me regardless of your alignment it's pretty hard to read you from that
And all your other crap like random read switches based on nothing is NAI for you

[SirCakez]

Because Varsoon has spent the entire game tunneling a PR? (I'm assuming dreal is town)

I regret saying I thought Cakez was town in all honesty as this was the most unneeded post ever.

Wisdom asked why he should vote Varsoon, this was a response.

[SirCakez]

To be clear I'm fine wagoning any of (Varsoon, Gamma, Dwlee, pisskop), preference in that order
Though I doubt more then one neighbor is scum so probably two of these are town :/

[SirCakez]

ummm.

Nope. We arent doing neighborhood spec. Because you dont know shit about it

uhhh ok?

[SirCakez]

or will you just ignore it and whine "but he was scummy!"?

Coming from experience, this is exactly what he's going to do

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Cakez

Don't like how Cakez positioned in regards to me and Drealz.

Like idk how anyone could town read this

[SirCakez]

Inb4 the hood is just their scum chat

[SirCakez]

Do I seem scummy to you?

Because Im psure I was townread by the whole game before suddenly I wasnt.

I've been scumreading you the whole game...

Why claim a hood for scum chat?
You get fucked once one of you flips.

It was a joke

[SirCakez]

cakez/aero/pie after i die tonight

You aren't going to die tonight, you're tunneling town

wait wtf I'm not in a hood

Wat?

[SirCakez]

How can you not see what's scummy about varsoon?

[SirCakez]

Varsoons role doesn't fit the other claims we've had either
Faith healer is a super duper random role and feels like it was grabbed off the wiki

[SirCakez]

Plus now he was apparently lying about a hood sooo

[SirCakez]

???

[SirCakez]

Nahdia and PK fake claim all the time
I've never seen varsoon do it

[SirCakez]

Varsoon, you hard claiming hood w dwlee or was that a typo?

Everything I am claiming is true.
I do not know why Dwlee is trying to distance from it.

What in the fuck
P-edit: GG DWLEE

varsoon is still scum

[SirCakez]

Wisdom how would you know what fakeclaims scum have?

[SirCakez]

Inb4 he calls it fishing

[SirCakez]

Like I just can't think of a role that would tell you if a certain role is a fake claim or not
So???

[SirCakez]

Wisdom how would you know what fakeclaims scum have?

can this die already?

I think this is like the 10th you've said this
Spewing the same bullshit over and over isn't getting you anywhere

[SirCakez]

10th time*

[SirCakez]

I could quote my role PM and watch the hilarity as Wisdom melts down
But I don't want to be banned q.q

[SirCakez]

I wish this game had a suicide option like Summer Waltz

[SirCakez]

Also I don't think it makes sense for there to be a backup doc and Faith Healer
And I TR dreal sooo

[SirCakez]

No it doesn't....

[SirCakez]

Like there can be VTs in role madness but there doesn't HAVE to be

[SirCakez]

Always down to murder dwlee

[SirCakez]

I'm feeling a similar anticipation to Summer Waltz where I couldn't wait to see Pie after I flipped town

[SirCakez]

I mean at this rate I'm probably going to have to claim anyway which would be a shame

[SirCakez]

I still don't get how the faith healer can't be scum???

[SirCakez]

Beeboy how did you go from "cakes is kinda town" to actively shooting down town cases on me?

At least now you know what it's like to be on the outside of the deathtunnel on me now Pie lol

[SirCakez]

after dreal flips town I call dibs on I told you so tomorrow

[SirCakez]

dwlee more waffly then a Waffle House

[SirCakez]

Thats like the fifth time you've switched votes between the two of us
Thus waffling

[SirCakez]

I wish I had a dayvig so badly

[SirCakez]

Actually I still want to think this through myself.

My gut is telling me Drealz, Varsoon and Cakez are town which would mean the scum team is.

{Aero, Dwlee, Pisskop}

But I really just don't know because that is just POE :<

then VOTE: varsoon ffs

[SirCakez]

oh what the fuck??? I thought I saw varsoon is his scumreads

Scratch that, then vote Dwlee

[SirCakez]

all the people wanting to wagon me are dumb and there's probably one or two scum in there

This is the kind of vague shit scum throws out trying to diffuse pressure

[SirCakez]

all the people wanting to wagon me are dumb and there's probably one or two scum in there

This is the kind of vague shit scum throws out trying to diffuse pressure

this is the kind of snarky bullshit scum says to discredit town

What is there to discredit? You literally didn't mention a single name lol.

[SirCakez]

after dreal flips town I call dibs on I told you so tomorrow

And then theres the obvious WKing and again nobody bats an eye

As if its not crystal clear that dreal is flipping town and cakez knows it

I do know it lol (unless the MS gods troll me)

or you could vote cakez instead of lynching town

Same thing though

Dwlee - if by "discrediting you generally" you mean scumreading you then yes

[SirCakez]

Yeeeep

[SirCakez]

varsoon/me needs resolved first otherwise more dead-endish

This is also a good point
It only helps scum for the dreal/varsoon fight to go another day

[SirCakez]

"info that faith healer is probably not a fakeclaim" wow that tells us so much!!! No idea why ANYONE would be confused by that.

if dreal/varsoon are v/v then cakey probably a wolf

that's what I said like...a long long time ago

when this all started

then fucking vote cakez

i think dreal is a wolf. get cakey to L-1 and restate the case and maybe I'll hammer.

This is a contradiction. You think I'm scum only if dreal/varsoon is TvT, and you think dreal is scum, but you would hammer me?
???

[SirCakez]

"info that faith healer is probably not a fakeclaim" wow that tells us so much!!! No idea why ANYONE would be confused by that.

if dreal/varsoon are v/v then cakey probably a wolf

that's what I said like...a long long time ago

when this all started

then fucking vote cakez

i think dreal is a wolf. get cakey to L-1 and restate the case and maybe I'll hammer.

This is a contradiction. You think I'm scum only if dreal/varsoon is TvT, and you think dreal is scum, but you would hammer me?
???

I never said I think you're a wolf ONLY if dreal/varsoon are v/v. I thought that post looked like what a wolf might say about v/v wagons. If one is a wolf then I don't know what it says about your alignment.
EBWOP

Ah ok
I thought it was a "only if" scenario

Also, I REALLY suspect someone in Varsoon's hood is scum. With my confidence in Wisdom, that leaves pisskop or dwlee.

have you read any of my posts along the lines of e.g. 2074 or 2069 (there were also a few posts I made earlier in the game to this effect)?

because the thing is, for a whole lot of different reasons, what Wisdom is saying here doesn't actually make Varsoon town, and you should actually stop, step back, and think about the logic behind it and realize that it doesn't confirm him as town instead of just setting it aside because "you have confidence in Wisdom". Wisdom is not thinking objectively; he has based his entire view of the game off of the notion that me and Cakez are scum and thinks that doing anything in his power to shut me out is beneficial, and he has no counterargument to anything I've written in either of those posts - and when I point this out, he just calls it manipulative because he refuses to consider anything outside of me and Cakez being scum and sees me making correct arguments as me-scum attempting to "manipulate" people over to my point of view.

I imagine he's going to walk in here and claim I'm "discrediting", but that is what's going on here and the key point is that you need to think and form your own conclusions on this.

Also this is super accurate
It's fucking stupid because knowing Wisdom he's just going to go "but he was so scummy!!!!" after I flip town and then keep tunneling town like a moron.

And he's either going to call this discrediting, say "can we lynch this yet?", say "vote this pls", or pretend I didn't make the post, which is hilarious and also sad.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Dwlee
I will leave varsoon alone for today based on the "info"

[SirCakez]

Yes when town is being tunneled that's generally what they do to the people tunneling them

Unless you think I should just sit back and go "guys listen to Wisdom and mislynch me"

[SirCakez]

Yes when town is being tunneled that's generally what they do to the people tunneling them

Unless you think I should just sit back and go "guys listen to Wisdom and mislynch me"

so basically you're trying to say what town would say

Yes that post was about what town would do in this situation

but newsflash, town doesn't do that

town plays like town and people see that they are town for their play

You have to be an idiot to think that
When you've tunneled town in the past, do they just lay over and "let people see they are town"? No they fight back.

[SirCakez]

Oh look he ignored my 2125 what a surprise
I'm not going to lynch dreal that's stupid

[SirCakez]

And like I said earlier, no scum would NK you with your deathtunnel on at least one, probably two town right now

[SirCakez]

Ugh

[SirCakez]

Still ignoring my posts lol

[SirCakez]

Just end it pls so that all the plebs avoiding voting the real scum don't have an excuse tomorrow

[SirCakez]

Inb4 scum flip

[SirCakez]

go ask for fucking spoilers and see how bad you are, go on

I'm quoting this post-game so we can mock the fuck out of how bad Wisdom's reads are

[SirCakez]

Guys
Guess who Varsoon visited last night?

Also I got a bomb last night, no idea what it does (I'm asking GiF)

[SirCakez]

Also Wisdom just shot up my scum list for obvious reasons

[SirCakez]

GiF refused to tell me what the bomb does

I'll give you a hint who varsoon visited
They've already posted

[SirCakez]

/slaps luna
we're not going there today

No it's not you Nahdia

[SirCakez]

ok I'll stop being annoying

VOTE: aero

[SirCakez]

Guys
Guess who Varsoon visited last night?

Also I got a bomb last night, no idea what it does (I'm asking GiF)

Bomb does nothing or GIF is a liar.

Also Wisdom just shot up my scum list for obvious reasons

Because he was visited then rigiht?

No, because he hard defended scum all day yesterday and never gave reasoning as to why Varsoon's claim made him town

[SirCakez]

Didn't someone say Aero was scum with Varsoon

A bunch of the non-scumfucks did

[SirCakez]

I shot Varsoon you dumbfucks

Then why did Varsoon try to heal you last night??
I don't buy it, like someone else said sounds like vig fishing

I mean, unless Varsoon was nervous he was gonna be tracked I don't see any reason why he would visit anyone who wasn't his partner.

I forgot who is in what hood. Cakez have you softed your role anywhere that scum might have seen?

No I've held it back completely until now

[SirCakez]

I mean, unless Varsoon was nervous he was gonna be tracked I don't see any reason why he would visit anyone who wasn't his partner.

I forgot who is in what hood. Cakez have you softed your role anywhere that scum might have seen?

Don't you think Varsoon was obviously going to be tracked after that flip?

Would have been an easy push for me today.

Except there was 0 sign of a tracker in game yesterday
I highly doubt scum just predicted one

[SirCakez]

Also re; luna's claim

I honestly have very little faith you aren't just gambitting to get beeboy lynched because of your massive fight yesterday :/

[SirCakez]

I honestly have very little faith you aren't just gambitting to get beeboy lynched because of your massive fight yesterday :/

I wouldnt lie about my night actions to get someone lynched. That's something i consider very bad play, like fake guilties.

<.<

Aero is not the lynch because he's not done vigging

I can try to confirm this tomorrow night?

[SirCakez]

It would confirm you as not-group scum, assuming there is another kill @Aero

[SirCakez]

Why am I against mass claiming?

Uh, explaining why I'm against it kind of defeats the purpose....

Fair point

It would confirm you as not-group scum, assuming there is another kill @Aero

I'm pretty much already confirmed not-groupscum since I shot groupscum.

Just to be clear, if I was lying about killing Varsoon, then whoever did could easily come out and say "hey, I killed Varsoon" and get me lynched as scum. Nobody has/will try to CC me because that would out them as scum.

Except you could just be scum trying to draw out the real vig

[SirCakez]

Why am I against mass claiming?

Uh, explaining why I'm against it kind of defeats the purpose....

Fair point

It would confirm you as not-group scum, assuming there is another kill @Aero

I'm pretty much already confirmed not-groupscum since I shot groupscum.

Just to be clear, if I was lying about killing Varsoon, then whoever did could easily come out and say "hey, I killed Varsoon" and get me lynched as scum. Nobody has/will try to CC me because that would out them as scum.

Except you could just be scum trying to draw out the real vig

Ok but you understand that it's definitely not worth it for scum!me to get myself lynched just to draw out the vig, right?

I had a semi-guilty on you though, you could have thought it was worth it.

varsoon told me he would be healing aero

Im also a faith healer, i healed beeboy

Riiiiight
So I'm tracking mhsmith?

Aero is starting to sound like a SK to me. Like bulletproof miller vig, really?

[SirCakez]

Can confirm mhsmith visited pisskop <.<

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Dwlee

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

Considering the town power, three maf and a sk makes sense

[SirCakez]

Considering the town power, three maf and a sk makes sense

Ok, so if we lynch Beeboy and he's scum and the game still keeps going, lynch me next. Done, now vote Beeboy

I'd rather lynch dwlee first

I was under the impression we had a tracker.
Btw Luna should declare her night action so if she is NK'd we know who is town.

Hi

[SirCakez]

Mhsmith -> pisskop

[SirCakez]

Pie I know I haven't played well but you can't argue that makes me scum at all.

What an awful post

Lynching dwlee and vigging beeboy sounds good to me.

[SirCakez]

10/10 response

[SirCakez]

This is a troll game
Trying to setup spec is dumb

[SirCakez]

If it's 9-2-2 then I can buy Aero/Dwlee

[SirCakez]

Wisdom wouldnot have self hammered if the setup was 2-2 unless he valued trolling the town over winning.
This game has 3 scum on 1 team.

This is a super good point

I could see Gamma scum too. Wisdom was iirc townreading him for vague as shit reasons.

[SirCakez]

Gamma didn't visit anyone
With two mafia dead that's basically a clear unless ninja

[SirCakez]

I kinda want to just say Aero is SK and there was only two mafia, but that doesn't really make sense
Can't wait to see Luna's reaction

[SirCakez]

Nah we should lynch Aero and have you announce who you're blocking before
I'll track someone random

[SirCakez]

That too

[SirCakez]

VOTE: aero
Pisskop put up or shut up

[SirCakez]

10:3 is basically impossible at this point unless scum are intentionally fucking with us

[SirCakez]

Aero/PK second scum team?

[SirCakez]

aero is in survivalism mode

cakez just voljnteered as his scumbud if he's blue team

Lol definitely

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE:

Town - Nahdia, Pie
Nulltown - Gamma, Luna
Nullscum - PK
Scum - Aero

gg

[SirCakez]

Gamma has nearly 200 posts and Luna has 250
Not really lurkers lol

Plus Luna has a testable claim and Gamma couldn't have done a kill last night

[SirCakez]

In fact, the only scenario in which I can even be scum is with Blue scum -> aero.

So Im not sure when you decided spec didnt need to enter the equation, but it reeks of setting up lynches.

Because troll game???

your play this game is quite literally some of the worst town play I have ever seen on this site. in any reasonable universe, I'm pretty much conftown, but OH NO, you sit there and throw a tantrum because I don't give you the lynch you want and thanks to you game throwing I have to play around you and waste a night having Luna RB me when there is literally no reason that should be necessary.

I hope to fuck you realize how [[[REDACTED]]] your play here is come postgame.

Reminder this is what we all thought about wisdom, and look how he turned out

[SirCakez]

Cakez is equating me to a scum member WHO I OUTED AS SCUM

Who? Neither Varsoon or Wisdom had guilties on them. That's bullshit.

[SirCakez]

Luna visited pie.....

[SirCakez]

scum could have been told there was an IC in the game
It's not unheard of (Varsoon did it in Steven Universe Mafia)

[SirCakez]

except for the part where the IC dies without revealing, and then the scum who fake claims backup IC is outed as scum.

10/10 SETUP DESIGN

The scum in the scenario I said wouldn't be forced to fake claim backup IC, so it wouldn't really be the setup's fault

[SirCakez]

The scum in the scenario I said wouldn't be forced to fake claim backup IC, so it wouldn't really be the setup's fault

it's a completely [[[REDACTED]]] fake claim if scum knows there's an IC in the game, for the same reason that if the IC dies without having revealed it gets outed as scum.

wut
This problem is avoided by just not killing the IC???

[SirCakez]

yes, yes, because forcing yourself to leave conftown alive the entire game or being outed as scum makes so much sense as a scum strategy - and even that is ignoring other factors, i.e. you might kill it on accident without knowing who it is, there might be something like a vig in the game who would kill it on accident, etc.

WIFOM

I dont think the issue here is whether pie's a scum backup IC, more whether backup IC is a fake claim or not.

^

[SirCakez]

no, it really isn't WIFOM, it's common sense. some things can be done as scum for WIFOM, but not shit like that that's just completely ridiculous and clearly suboptimal to the point where no amount of "WIFOM" is worth it.

do you have any response to 3089 and subsequent posts?

I mean if you are scum you've basically gotten by for free to this point so it's not that shitty of a play.
3089 is convincing though.

Hmm

[SirCakez]

This seems super simple to me
I'm taking Luna as basically conftown now, so I want to lynch PK and if it's not him, have Luna block Pie again
Or she can block me if she so wishes to try to test around

[SirCakez]

if we actually do go the pisskop route, Luna blocks you tonight.

this is probably the last thing I say for a while.

I'd be OK with this too

So how do you explain the fact that pisskop confirmed both Varsoon and Wisdom as scum during Night 1?

Bussing, Varsoon was already obvscum and once he scumflipped Wisdom was going down too

Seriously, the willful ignorance around here is kind of crazy.

This seems super simple to me
I'm taking Luna as basically conftown now, so I want to lynch PK and if it's not him, have Luna block Pie again
Or she can block me if she so wishes to try to test around

Why is Luna conftown now?

My track and her day 1 play and her conviction that he roleblock made beeboy scum

cakez vote on me was oppurtunistic, but im more comfortable with gamma being town

It's not like I was gonna vote anywhere else today with me deciding Pie is town

I would be fine no lynching and trying to force happily ever after ftr

[SirCakez]

So Cakez is willing to lynch pk it seems.

You don't say!

he was so obviously scum we didn't lynch him? i dispise when people make stuff like that up.

After the dreal flips he was dead meat.

cakez why is pie/pk a 1v1

I didn't say it was?

Pie why is Gamma obvtown?

[SirCakez]

beyond that, I have no clue how anyone else if scum is playing to win this game, and his posts today feel really off, specifically as if he knows pisskop is bleeding town but that he has to lynch him anyway in order to win, so he kinda sorta just falls flat without having any conviction in his push, so maybe I am just being too paranoid.

Wut
I've been scumreading PK since day 1

[SirCakez]

That works too

[SirCakez]

"That works too", SirCakez said with his chest.

[SirCakez]

GiF didn't send me a result, so I PMed him

[SirCakez]

Gamma visited no one
Not really surprising

[SirCakez]

this is why we need to coordinate if we nolynch again (._. )

[SirCakez]

It seems pretty obvious to me scum is intentionally nokilling due to fears of being tracked/blocked and then being incriminated

[SirCakez]

Good point
Just the track then

[SirCakez]

my issue wuth your supposed thought train is that if you thought that scum was holding back their kill you should. be trying to force them to kill or happy ending

you arent because..?

their wincon is to kill and if you have a tracker powera you should want to use that to prove the killer

These posts are stupid
I'm tracking someone every night and have expressly said I'm fine no lynching to try to draw the scum out
There's not some other magic power I have to "prove the killer"