Mini 1856 - This Mafia Game is for pieguyn (Game Over)

[Aeronaut]

im experienced and i tunnel all the time
Thats weak

sure i do.. Like 20% of the time

This is really a ridiculous point and the fact you keep pushing it just makes you look worse

I really don't understand how it is that SC looks bad for pushing this point but I somehow don't.

[drealmerz7]

if cakez is scum he doesn't help me that is for sure

something else I said (p)ages ago made cakez scum

oh yeah, me vs varsoon

shit, we're still in this Day?

[drealmerz7]

EBWOP

if cakez is scum he doesn't help me that is for sure

something else I said (p)ages ago made cakez town

oh yeah, me vs varsoon

shit, we're still in this Day?

cakez only scum if varsoon and I are both town

[Wisdom]

I didnt know you were also pushing that until you mentioned it a few posts ago

But even if i remembered that, you look town, cakez doesnt

pedit: @aero

[pieguyn]

Dont you think scum cakez could easily make the same sort of comment on two votes on a percieved lynchbait?

I dont like the certainty in it, why couldnt both votes be town, especially if he thinks dreal is likely to attract town votes?

I feel like he probably could. I don't feel that it's a completely unreasonable logical leap to make as town, which is what you'd have to believe to push it as a scum tell and is what dwlee was attempting to push.

... it would be mostly because I'd feel like an idiot if I failed to listen to my kindred spirit for the third fucking game in a row.

explain?

see what Nahdia said about me in their reads list.

if I'm going by my own reads, I don't have a scum read on you, it's just that my kindred spirit is someone whose reads I hold in pretty high regard after my last two games with them.

[drealmerz7]

exposure is extremely minimal

[Wisdom]

pie, what do you think of varsoon?

[pieguyn]

pie, what do you think of varsoon?

he could easily be scum.

[Aeronaut]

You know, I bet drealmerz is going to flip scum
Because MS fate likes trolling me like that q.q
P-edit: LET ME POST

SC here sounds like he's preparing to be wrong.

You know, I bet drealmerz is going to flip scum
Because MS fate likes trolling me like that q.q
P-edit: LET ME POST

fuck this is such a towny post

no not at all

Luna if you don't stop I am replacing out of this game.

NO YOU ARENT YOU DRAGGED ME INTO THIS GAME AND YOU'RE GOING DOWN WITH ME

I love you Dwlee

Because everything he's done is NAI IMO and scum like varsoon and gamma are pushing him

Remind me why varsoon and gamma are wolves? Ive kinda gotten distracted of late for

reasons

.

Varsoon - his crappy tunnel on dreal
Gamma - read last two pages

Because everything he's done is NAI IMO and scum like varsoon and gamma are pushing him

neither varsoon or gamma have flipped scum so this is bullshit
Youre better than this

I know, I know, pre flip associative are shitty
But it just feels so obvious at this point to me that dreal is being pushed by scum

I'm curious, who would you say is scum if you were wrong and Dreal flipped red?

Also I think dreal is a super lynchbaity player and that scum are taking advantage of that

I mainly agree with this, though. Dreal is a very Aristophanian player in that people look at his posting style and scumread him for it.

[beeboy]

I don't think Drealz not responding to me for 20 pages makes me 100% sure he is scum.
I literally just don't care if he gets lynched if he doesn't want to play mafia.

[drealmerz7]

when I try to explain gut/tone reads it doesn't go over well, I'm refraining, at least on D1 until things start to get a bit more firm - ya know, reading pretty much strangers D1 doesn't generate much in the way of reads unless something blatantly sticks out/strikes me as notable (as something that is possible that is worth exploring at that juncture and wouldn't just be a distraction or annoying drealmer-ramblings which tend to happen) for whatever reason, which you can bet I'd say if I saw

you're not going to get more from me unless I have more to give, no matter how much you try to milk it

[beeboy]

That's fine you can stay at l-1 then.

[pieguyn]

I don't think Drealz not responding to me for 20 pages makes me 100% sure he is scum.
I literally just don't care if he gets lynched if he doesn't want to play mafia.

yes, yes, let's lynch someone because they play in a way that pisses me off, even if they're not more likely scum for it. that seems like a great fucking idea!

almost as good as that one time where I went out of my way to piss someone else in the game off, while ignoring the person who can read them telling you to back off and leave her to them!

[Wisdom]

gut and tone reads are fine
arguing beeboy is scum because youve seen scum doing the same as him when town doing it is equally possible isnt

[Aeronaut]

Aeronaut my token attractive person i know:

Hey you have to buy me dinner first, i'm not that kind of girl!

bad vibes from the nahdia post

Why? RL was NAI at most.

bad vibes from the nahdia post

also explaining the bad vibes would be helpful.

that's what you'd think but I tend to just both ppl when I try to explain shit

I read it, it sounded like faked cutesy buddying to everyone pretty much

Nahdia called me attractive, therefore she is town. What don't you get about that?

255: IIRC this was my case on Wisdom. I figured the selective ISO was a lie to cover for himself.

but he was joking
or just being dumb.

Either way he wasn't doing what you said he did

Aero why not claim miller in your opening post if you were going to do it?

seems pretty pointless to me. It's generically optimal miller play to do it, but that doesn't mean everyone does it, and it doesn't mean that the guy who made two shit posts and nothing else was sufficiently engaged in the game to expect optimal play.

Also, if you were scum you'd have a reasonable answer (no way does THAT question catch anyone other than a total newb flat-footed), which means that it's hard to see it as a question that's going to lean to any kind of readable moment. It's not quite "are you scum" level, but it's not much better than that either.

I guess that's fair. I think I probably would have asked it in his position though, that's why I'm not really scumreading him for that post.

Dwlee 108 - he's saying that it's silly to analyze whether I'm town or not based on wagon speed, which is completely accurate. I feel like it would have been pretty easy for scum to let that conversation go for two pages getting nobody anywhere.

[Just a sidenote, I tend to townread people for making sensicle posts, because I feel like while town definitely isn't always using common sense, it seems like scum usually spends more time creating fabricated reasoning instead of common sense reasoning]

meh. competent wolves are decent at making sensible posts. what pings me as plausible scum play here is that there's no follow-up. He makes the point that wagon speed analysis is bad and then stops caring about it. Which is weird because if he's arguing against a defense of you based on wagon speed, then it'd make sense to actually evaluate your wagon in some kind of meaningful manner. Instead he just goes back to "vote varsoon", which if he's a wolf is a nice way to look like he's doing something without actually having to do anything of substance.
Now, if he's town then he was just being a bit lazy with the point he was making, which is also possible, which is why it's null in my mind. "He was reasonable in this one minor point" is IMO a poor reason for a substantive read on him.

Well I just dont know what there is to follow up on, though. Like; He said guyz why are we arguing over this stupid thing, and then for the most part people did

I really don't see the town utility for you to mention these two things, especially the second thing.

This part I agree with. What do you think of him pushing the notion that you somehow did it for survivability, despite your wagon having long since collapsed when you made the post?

I think it's silly for him to push that, especially seeing that i feel like if I were gonna gambit even if I was close to L-1, I definitely wouldn't be gambitting miller.

Beeboy what is the Drealz scum case ?

I think he is trying to make me and Luna 1v1 more and he has yet to explain his reads from page 22.

Yeah, but besides that one post where he's fanning the flames, anything else? Granted, that post sucks but is there more

yeah that was all me

I gave my read on the whole thing AFTER IT WAS OVER (so I hoped)

you are one of the scummiest scum evaer

You really aren't helping your case.

[Aeronaut]

AERO'S CAUGHT UP, BITCHES

[Aeronaut]

also; Pie must really hate vote counts because they aren't in this game

[Wisdom]

Aero, you have dreal, Cakez and Varsoon all as scum

Do you actually think that makes sense?

[Aeronaut]

also my RL is not nearly as funny as Nahdia's but f u here it is

RLv1.1

Spoiler: Key

Conftown - {CT}

Town - {T}

LeanTown - {LT}

NullTown - {NT}

Null - {N}

NullScum - {NS}

LeanScum - {LS}

Scum - {S}

ConfScum - {CS}

{T} pieguyn [T: 34, 79]

{LT} beeboy [NI: 19][T: 278, 538]
{LT} mhsmith0 [NT: 9][T: 327, 690*]

{NT} pisskop [T: 74]
{NT} Dwlee99 [T: 108]
{NT} Wisdom [T: P32*][NT: 263][NI: 552*]

{N} Nahdia [NT: 217]

{NS} Luna Fox [S: 466*]
{NS} drealmerz7 [S: 344]

{LS} SirCakez [S: 98, 116, 875*][T: 240]
{LS} Gamma Emerald [S: 64, 72* 255]
{LS} Varsoon [S: 216*, 231/232*, 490*]

72: What's the point of this post?
216, 231, 232: Mostly just weird vibes from this, and I feel like these are weird fabricated cherrypicked reasonings.
466: Complaining that agreeing with reads isn't getting her townread... wow.
490: Ignores Wisdom's question entirely

552: Wisdom/Varsoon likely not buddies

690: Looks like genuinely trying to understand things
P32: Wisdom defusing that fight is not scum motivated
875: SC to me kind of is trying to take the least responsibility possible for fighting a drealz scum flip.

[Aeronaut]

Aero, you have dreal, Cakez and Varsoon all as scum

Do you actually think that makes sense?

They're not dependent of each other

[drealmerz7]

I mainly agree with this, though. Dreal is a very Aristophanian player in that people look at his posting style and scumread him for it.

often but not always, I think it depends on how I feel in the environment of players, the passion for the game, and of course things like my role (as VT I might do things that I wouldn't do as sayyyy...something else...because I can stick my neck out a bit more than usual, which, for me is a hard thing to gauge, depending, because I'll stick my neck out a lot of times no matter what because metaWIFOMmetaWIFOM), or just my current mood about a game (I think a lot of ppl do that)

[Aeronaut]

Didn't you just say like five minutes ago not to draw pre-flip associatives?

@wis

[drealmerz7]

That's fine you can stay at l-1 then.

I thought I was at L-2? shiiit GIF!?

[Aeronaut]

actually probably changed luna to null on that list

[Wisdom]

Aero, you have dreal, Cakez and Varsoon all as scum

Do you actually think that makes sense?

They're not dependent of each other

Yeah but doesnt that affect your reads?