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In post 21, SpyreX wrote:Vote: Lucronis
Post 13 I read and then reread and it still doesn't make sense to me.
Point of it is scum have a power that lets them steal cards starting with their lowest until they have 7 or more points.
So if your lowest 3 cards are 1, 2, 4 then scum will steal those.
But if your lowest 4 are 1, 2, 3, 10 scum will steal those and end up with 16 points instead of 7.-
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Oh Darox, even when I was scum and you helped me win I found your shere khanceit rage-inducing.
Also using card number 3 last night made a lot of sense, and for VTs was just plain optimal (assuming scumthiefpower works on VTs).
Ludiscum is scum for nonengagement.
So yeah it's real.
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In post 46, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:In post 43, Lurconis wrote:If you believe seraph was soft claiming why didn't he do it in his first post?
Did you just go back and examine whether it made sense as a soft claim?
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In post 88, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Can we watch Marble hang yet?
Marble, you ignored my question. What's up with post z#45?
In post 84, Llamarble wrote:Secret reason was that Yos seemed to be on the same wavelength dealing with Darox as scum me.
I half witheld it because I wanted to see how the interaction continued and half just for the sake of moving things along.
Seraphim was following drop-something-early -> coast through actual suspicion-forming-phase trajectory.
I like 86 though.
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UNVOTE:
No more claims until we actually want to lynch somebody. Right now I'm not sure what's behind a lot of the Yos votes.
Yos' posting has also started to add up to a lot of scumhunty stuff with solid insightfactor.
CES, why'd you vote Andrius?
VOTE: LLD
Bad L-1 Yosvote. We really don't need any more claims right now unless we're sure we want to lynch.
Yos being wrong about Andrius conftown just doesn't seem alarming.
I don't like her Andrius vote -> notsureIbelieveclaimI'mmawaitandseeifsomeonehammers AT ALL.
And the rest of her time is all LOL ANDY / MARBLE NK SPECULATED.
And she has scum :bitesizeposting:
By the way I did mention on like page 2 that claiming numbers was dumb because only PRs can play more than 10.
Nobody questioned that, and I'm not sure I believe everyone in the pile o' confused people was actually confused.
I'm not confident of Fate/Spyspytown; I get a feeling of railroading. And Fate replaced ML.
GI is weird this game.
Pushing a lynch nobody else is interested in on grounds of policy while interesting stuff is going on and then joining both the Andy and Yos wagons without clear motivation bothers me.
The Zang/Lurc/Darox derpconsortium unfortunately seems to be town.
Ah right Fate did unvote Andy preventing a potential hammer.-
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Well CES, I like your current choice of bandwagon.
Yos and Andy are invited too.
And that was town of you.
What do you think of LLD?
Yos totally can be insulting as town. His iso in The Mafia with the Hydras contains "stupid" and "idiot" 11 times each.-
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We are guaranteed an investigative role and a protective role in the setup.
Scum were given fakeclaims though.
We are also guaranteed a bulletproof townie and there's a dead cop.
Cop + Doctor + Tracker + EvenVig + Bulletproof is a hell of a lot of power.
Everything is weakened by the 'must outbid' mechanic.
2 shot cop + 2 shot doctor + 2 shot tracker + 2 shot Evenvig + 2 shot Bulletproof is still probably too much though.-
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Actually considering the bulletproof is a "town bulletproof" and it's possible there's more than one and we have a claimed vig, I don't think the protective role is guaranteed to be town at all.
Yos' claim sounds town. As he described it, it would be a really weird role for scum. (Automatically gets results when targeting town but not when targeting scum)
And that bit about voting CES because of the tracking just sounded like something town would do.-
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Fate wrote:Whoever said Yos calling Marble confirmed town was out of character and scummy as fuck.
That's as good as a guilty, lynch without claim =====[ ]
What does that mean? Yos called Andrius confirmed town and what's the whoever said about?
Also why am I getting shot all of a sudden? That is not okay.
zoraster wrote: at least one town bulletproof
So if the bulletproof doesn't get counterclaimed, it's a BULLETPROOF INNOCENT CHILD.
And if it does get counterclaimed then it's basically a free dead scum, unless we think there are 2 town ones.
So no way in HELL do we have:
Cop (Probably better than without the game mechanic)
Doctor (weakened somewhat)
Bulletproof innocent childish dude (whoah)
Even night vig (Probably better than without the game mechanic (can shoot through scumprotects and can fail to kill townies)
Tracker (weakened somewhat at finding scum but can unambiguously confirm the doc, the cop, and the vig)
All as town.
There was the whole N0 thing, but even for a 12p mini that amount of power is ridiculous.
Also if we do massclaim, I think the bulletproof doesn't claim yet.
It's already modconfirmed town and definitely benefits from being anonymous.-
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In post 435, Fate wrote:
(ooooh look how he BELIEVES LLD's vig claim automatically and is quivering in his boots)
Anyway let me rephrase: Whoever said: Yos calling" that PERSON is townie as fuck, and Yos is scummy as fuck.
I don't really buy LLD just claiming for a one-day stay of execution and guaranteeing an autolynch later when Yos could've been lynched without her having to claim at all.
Nor do I buy scum extra kill + N0.
So yeah, Yos or Andy is scum.
But if we leave both alive scum must either narrow it down for us or shoot VTs and LLD can confirm herself as town.
(I think Andy should protect LLD on a high number)
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In post 448, Yosarian2 wrote:
What?
Me and Andy are confirmed town, or at least I assume we will both be once the town mass-claims. LLD is going to be nearly confirmed town tonight. Why would you say "Yos or Andy is scum"?
So you think the town power is:
Cop
Doctor
Tracker
Even vig
Bulletproof innocent child
You've been playing forever and that doesn't set off some kind of alarm bell for you?
Also LLD, WHY do you think I'm scum?
"Marble's scum especially if Andrius is town" and "Marble's scum if Andrius is scum" and not liking NK musings are pretty much all I found. I'll explain my thought process for you anywhere you like.-
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"You know this setup has: at least two investigative roles, at least one protective role, a single mafia team, no third parties, at least one town bulletproof (role PM below), and at least one Townie."
Only the bulletproof is confirmed town. Investigative and protective roles were explicitly not modconfirmed as town.-
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I know how to pay attention to setup stuff.
Does that count?
mod wrote:In post 372, Yosarian2 wrote:Could you clarifythat the two investigate roles, the one protective role, the bulletproof, and the townie are all pro-town roles? Thank you.
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In post 456, Llamarble wrote:
Also LLD, WHY do you think I'm scum?
"Marble's scum especially if Andrius is town" and "Marble's scum if Andrius is scum" and not liking NK musings are pretty much all I found. I'll explain my thought process for you anywhere you like.
I AWAIT.
Also CES you're confused. The explicit modconfirmation of not confirmation was the other post I quoted for Fate in 461. Not that it matters.
I CLAIM BULLETPROOF OR TOWNIE.
LURCONIS GO NEXT.
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VCA says Fate and Spyspy have both probably been on a scum's L-1 wagon.-
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In post 511, Seraphim wrote:No, I'm not a cop. Two cops in one game would be OP.
So would 2 trackers, doctor, cop, and bulletproof IC.
Even if LLD is scum Lurc also is.
If you have a role result suggesting otherwise then Lurc is a godfather and you're dumb for believing it.-
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TORRENTS OF SNOT. TORRENTS.
It was already a lot of power when it was cop tracker doctor vig bulletproof inno. Adding another tracker would make that ridiculous.
LLD claims to have tried and failed to vig lurc after announcing that intention D1, meaning either mafia wanted to prevent a kill on lurc or LLD is scum.
Lurc's move to CC Yos makes a lot of sense from a scum bulletproof trying to waste a townsourcedkill or just trading himself for Yos and neuterage of most town power.
Then there was the whole I'mma look back at whether somebody softclaimed me being scum thing and all the other stuff and this:
I actually had that clarified with Zoraster during night 0 and was told I have to outbid town power roles to track them.
Why specifically clarify :town: power roles?
LLD scum is also possible, but Lurc makes the world make sense.
Sera just going entirely back and forth with extreme conviction feels crazytown.
Fate and LLD you're both good players. Now help lynch Lurc.-
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Good Morning Campers!
All is well in llamalland.
CES how does your millerness work?
Sera's claimed role seems ridiculously a lot.
Anyway Sera should obviously use the VIG, not the cop power. Evens to odds etc.
GI is town barring a counterclaim.
Is that what that confirm vote is?
I would be less surprised by Seragambitz than Serascum than Serabackup in that order I think.
I only woke up to move my car so it's back to bedtime.-
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Seraph content really drops off after the first long case on lurconis
Seraph flips around like an innocent on Lurc would expect though.
In post 653, Seraphim wrote:Basically, I spend points like any other role to use other people's role.
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I can use a 9 + 7 to use Fishy's cop role to investigate someone.
Pretty standard.
I tried to investigate people who I thought were likely to get lynched the next day.
P-EDIT: It's worth noting that I don't have a lot of points left. Probably one last result.
WHY IN THE EVERLASTING HELL WOULD YOU COP THE PERSON LIKELY TO GET LYNCHED AND NOT CLAIM TO PROTECT THEM?
PLUS GREY BULLETPROOF CLAIM
PLUS UNHOLY AMOUNT OF CLAIMED POWER
Definitely not lynching Grey today without a counterclaim.-
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It's like, OVER 9000% obvious that Fate and Sera are lying.
BOTH their claims are OBVIOUS bullshit.
THAT I would stake the game on.
They contradict themselves a hojillion times and Zoraster isn't retarded.
I still think they may be town liars though.
And therein lies the rub, really.
Also at this point for Grey to be town, 3 of Fate/Sera/Zang/Darox have to be scum.
Ah the joys of not placing my vote early in lylo situations.
Back to SNOOZLIES.-
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In post 139, Fate wrote:HHEHAEHHEHAHHAHEHA
GUESS
WHOS
FUCKING
TOWN.
ITS TIME FOR JUDGEMENT ========[ ]
THEN:
In post 435, Fate wrote:You being shot is fine, die marble die.
(ooooh look how he BELIEVES LLD's vig claim automatically and is quivering in his boots)
Anyway let me rephrase: Whoever said: Yos calling" that PERSON is townie as fuck, and Yos is scummy as fuck.
Time for a Zang auto-lynch pl0x
(I didnt realize the BP was modconfirmed>_> uhhh I GUESS if Zang is BP he can just claim and town can just lose lawl)
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In post 828, Fate wrote:In post 139, Fate wrote:HHEHAEHHEHAHHAHEHA
GUESS
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FUCKING
TOWN.
ITS TIME FOR JUDGEMENT ========[ ]
First I was happy as fuck,"YES IM CONFIRMED TOWN"I love being confirmed town. You KNOW this. Unkillable, mod confirmed, town?
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In post 707, Fate wrote:LOL
MORE SCUM SLIPS
CES town claims I'm always obvtown by virtue of being easy to read
DON'T MAKE ME GO GET THAT QUOTE YOU SCUMFUCK
I seriously rather lynch CES over Grey/Sera today. 100% > 50% and alll that
In post 697, Fate wrote:HOLY FUCK I wish I wasn't at work
CES SCUM CLAIMS MILLER GFG
No way in fuck I'm lynching a claimed BP (even though I had secret tells and thought it was someone else but NO TIME FOR THAT), were no lynching.
If Grey IS scum, he can't kill Sera and SERA GETS ANOTHER COP OFF (which is why CES miller claim is 100% scum).If Sera is scum, he has to give us a new fake investigation and kill a non BP aka potential suspect.
No lynch is the play, definitelt
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In post 927, Llamarble wrote:KNOW WHAT WE DIDN'T GET?
ROLE PMS OF DEAD PEOPLE.
HOW IN THE FUCK IS SERA SUPPOSED TO USE A POWER HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HOW IT WORKS.-
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ALSO BIGGEST REASON OF ALL:
Cop
Doctor
Tracker
Tracker
Innocent Child Who Is Bulletproof TROLOLOL
Even Vig
Backup
Would be an absolutely mind_blowing array of town power.
Used on a 1, a cop gets an accurate result probably 80% of the time. It can power up when needed.
Used on a 1, a vig gets a kill probably 80% of the time. It can power up when needed.
Used only as an innocent, bp inno is extremely powerful. But it can avoid death too.
Lurctracker: pretty much strictly better than a 1 shot tracker in a game where trackers have a lot to do.
Yostracker: fully normal tracker power except on the nk, which it is better than a 1shot tracker against.
Doctor: Pretty much strictly superior to 1 shot doctor.
Backup: can use the cop or vig or yostracker powers near full effect, but is weirdly semifunctional with bp, doc, lurctracker.
That is also 7 named roles.
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In post 928, Fate wrote:Again, more of ME trying to get scum lynched WITHOUT claiming BP and outing my role.
No matter how much you repeat it, it actually only STRENGTHENS my case for being town.
If I were scum, I'd have CC"d immediately and breadcrumbed and this all would've ben PLANNED.
Instead if was town chaos.
You lose marble scum.
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME SCUM EVER :ACTUALLY: MADE DEEP PLANS WHILE FAKECLAIMING?
AND NO, FINDING :MOUNTAINS: OF PLAYS UNLIKELY FROM A BP DOES NOT MAKE YOU MORE LIKELY BP.
AGAIN, IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY TOWN YOU'RE GAMBITING. END OF STORY.
MAYBE IF YOU STOP IT I'LL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO GET OVER THE FACT THAT YOU AND SERA ARE OBVIOUSLY LYING TO RAMROD A LYNCH THROUGH IN MYLO.-
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