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I was wondering about roleclaiming. Then I noticed there are 11 listed comics (I have read the entire archives of all but two ). Some of these comics have many complicated characters. Even using the most conservative methods (by "main character", I took to mean "those a semi-literate who's read the cast page and twenty random comics would know"), I reckon there are over 50 potential roles.
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Yeah, I don't think it's any big deal. Adding to it would be a bit much (so I won't), but the third vote in a seven-to-lynch day is really nothing to freak out over. Or OMGUS, or FOS. In fact, if you don't like it, I reckon the best way to kill it stone dead is to roll your eyes and ignore it.Pie_is_Good wrote:FOS: everyone who flipped out over my bandwagon vote.-
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It didn't make any sense to me at all; I didn't see what you were getting at.
Most of what's written here is "verbal-style", so unless you are a very talented writer (and maybe even then) emoticons are helpful in portraying the spirit in which something is intended; they stand in for facial expressions, timing, and body language. They are a standard aspect of forum interactions, and if you don't like them, it's on you to pick up the slack by writing more clearly.
Sorry, but if you were ambiguous, that wasyourbad.-
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TSA's opinion seems to be along the lines of "third votes are not a big deal" so I felt - and feel - okay about putting a third vote on him. And Idobelieve the duty of clarity is on the writer, and that TSA confused a few people, myself included.
So I feel okay about my vote on him... but I'm not panicking over one vote on me, either.-
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No. I said I was okay with my vote. I didn't congratulate others for their votes, and I didn't encourage anyone to vote for TSA.Pie_is_good wrote:just feels like Adele is grasping for a way to keep this bandwagon rolling.
I'm more than happy to vote for people because I don't like their style - although this has happened more with people behaving in an outright unpleasant manner (I support Lynch All Jerks day 1 metagame policy for repeat "offenders"). I think that it's really tough not to be near-random in day 1's lynch. If no-one's doing anything outright scummy, or being a jerk, might as well go for someone who's style is confusing; at least it'll make the game easier from then on.
TSA hadn't (and hasn't) done enough to earn a lynch - it now looks as though the ambiguity was a one-off - a third vote, though? Yes.-
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No, trying to explain my actions and acquiesce to the town's wishes.bertrand wrote:Trying to kill the badwagon after it doesn't pick up?
In case you didn't get it: I didn't understand what TSA was getting at. I saw other people appear confused. I saw him trying to explain it. I thought it might be a retcon. I placed a vote on him - his third, which, from what had been said, seemed like a small deal to people in this game. The end.-
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I think he's saying: "bandwagons are okay if they are caused by solid scum tells, not weak ones. Don't bandwagon for the sake of bandwagoning"Fuldu wrote:
Okay, TSAGod, if you want to get all self-righteous about how obvious your sarcasm should have been, you're going to have to work on the clarity of your writing. I've read this five times and I still can't figure out what you're trying to say. If I were to translate it into brief, coherent sentences you would be saying:TSAGod wrote:And as for bandwagons, I'm for them as long as they don't have an obvious cause as done by the bandwagon. Officially scumminess is okay, though, but a mildly scummy thing that very likely isn't a real tell angers me.
I'm in favor of bandwagons, as long as there isn't a reason for them. Scummy behavior is okay, but mildly scummy behavior isn't.-
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QFTFuldu wrote:I'm sick of trying to guess at what I think he's saying. He should learn to write sentences that don't contain grammatically dubious constructs like "an obvious cause as done by the bandwagon" or "officially scumminess."
And, secondarily, I would disagree with his views on solid vs. weak scum tells. In my experience, there aren't many, if any, solid scum tells, but there are lots and lots of weak ones. So my approach is to look for players who've committed several of them and place my vote there.-
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I recently played a game which scum won by attacking each other. I agree that it shouldn't be a successful tactic, but it was, and still could be. You guys are knee-deep in WIFOM, and I suggest you drop this argument.
Oh, by the way, Akonas still hasn't claimed. Little pet peeve of mine, things like that slipping under the radar.-
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I wouldn't ask for a claim if I thought it was useless, let alone harmful, but to be honest, I requested one forAkonas wrote:I'm not going to claim. In this game, there's really no reason to, as it won't really gain the town anything.FoS: Adele. Why are you pushing for a tell so much?A claim isn't going to be useful at this point. And if scum are supposed to kill certain people, then wouldn't having people claim let them know who to nightkill for a win? Seems kind of scummy to me.yoursake. You're pretty near to being lynched and it's fairly standard to give people that opportunity. You don't want to take it? Okay.vote: Akonas-
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To be fair, he had every chance, and seemed to have made his mind up pretty irrevocably...Bertrand wrote:FoS Thok and StevieT92: Please let him claim before lynching.
(underlining not original; added for emphasis by me)Akonas wrote:AndI'm not going to claim. In this game, there's really no reason to, as it won't really gain the town anything.FoS: Adele.Why are you pushing for a tell so much?A claim isn't going to be useful at this point.-
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Should he? How do you know the scum can't choose who to send out? Or maybe you're scum and know the lack of kill had nothing to do with a roleblocker.bertrand wrote:The Roleblocker should probably aim at the same person again and see what happens.FOS: bertrand. That post could easily have positive intention behind it, but it could just as easily be scummy.-
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Erm, what question of mine are you answering here? The only one I can see is this:Thok wrote:@Adele-I've been in at least two mini's with a cult in place of a normal mafia; however in both cases the cult had a limit to the total numbers of recruits and also had the option to nightkill people instead of recruiting.
Protection rolesAdele wrote:Isn't it rather more likely there are protection-related roles / roleblockers etc?arecommoner than cults; that question was semi-rhetorical. What question were you answering - or did you just want to imply I said something that I didn't?-
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I'm cool with not doing it, but I don't agree with the power-role statement. You might be able to figure role out from character, but not comic. All it'd do is limit options for later full roleclaims.Nemesis wrote:No. Claiming of any kind is not a good idea...
The poweroles will be giving themselves away, very bad idea. Really really awful.
However, yeah, I agree, there's no solid upside. I'm gonna have to do a reread. Darn.
@everyone: getting a bit lurky here. Could you all at least check in? Try to say something, but even if you've not got any content to add, say "Hi, I'm here, blah blah blah"-
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Unvotethen.
We have a problem; we bandwagoned a townie yesterday and no-one got on it in a particularly scummy way. This is just Day 1, mark 2.
Can anyone think of a gambit that's likely to raise contention and so bring out some scummy behaviour? First person to suggest something useful gets a cookie... heh, or should that be a pancake ?
(btw, in past years I've given up lying for Lent, but I don't think that would be too smart this year )-
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Nemesis wrote:I am Marten Reed from Questionable Content, I use Pintsize to find if people are townies or scum.
It seems really early to be claiming cop, especially when you don't have some really handy info for our perusal... unless Thok was the guy who came up innocent?
How does Pintsize determine the role? Also, he's a perverse little fellow, can he be trusted? Just saying, ministry of defence came round marten's place to do stuff to him and he sends new neighbours welcome baskets of bestiality porn...
Would you be prepared to fully quote your PM? I really don't know if I'd want any other cops to come out now, since it's possible there are two cops in the game, and since they'd be at risk too; although they'd have at least 2 innocent results to present, which I guess is better than nothing... what do other people think of this (without claiming)?-
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I'm personally waiting on, like, a single comment on the plan I suggested (post 246, I think). Wouldn't this give us the benefits of Nemesis' info without the downsides?
I doubt bribery would work - we don't know how much any one of them would need from us, and we can't negotiate. It's likely they believe they have a good chance of getting both WCs and scum win might be their Major WC so they care more about that then anything else.
Besides, even if one did come forward, we couldn't trust him; he'sscum.-
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Hmm, yeah, that makes sense, if we were bandwagoningStevieT92 wrote:When you are bandwagonning to get a reaction, you don't go out and claim it. Either this is a bad play, or an attempt to warn your scumbuddies.justfor a reaction. But that's neither the only thing nor even the main thing. The point of the bandwagons is to find someone scummy-looking who Nemesis doesn't stick up for. If they make themselves look scummier, that's additional advantage, but I hope we're not just counting on that.-
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We are allowed to quote our PMs in this game, remember. Have you excluded relevant info? If not, why not quote the PM directly and fully?
On the other hand, that does sound like the kind of role that Aelyn'd write. It makes sense to me. It also fits El Chupacabre's character.
If roleblocking protects your major, then Pie did you a favour, huh? If you die, do you automatically lose your major win condition or do you win on it so long as you target no females prior to your death?
I suppose I also ought to mention I'm female.
would EBWOP but this occured to me before I hit "submit": once you hit a female character, you've lost your major win condition, so it'd be best advisable for you to use your roleblock to assist the town... giving advantages/disadvantages to people telling the truth (they may reason others are lying so they should claim female to avoid your attention, but once you lose your major wc they'll be your likely focus). Okay, I'm too burned out to think this through any further. I'm off to bed now. bye.-
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Do some basic thinking, Fuldu. Either I'm telling the truth, or I'm not.
If I'm telling the truth, that information is useful to him; not only does it protect his major wc, but if he loses it later, it lets him know he has power over me; that hecanrole-block me.
If I'm lying, then I'd be male. Why not say so? After all, there's no harm whatever in Thok targetting me if I'm a guy.
So what exactly are you accusing me of?-
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Coron, either VitaminR is suspicious or he's not (I say he is, obviously).
If he is, then the people on his bandwagon are doing the right thing and are suspicious.
If he's not, then the people on the bandwagon are suspicious but you should back off VitaminR.
How can you logically cast doubt on both? Like Thok says, you're trying to have it both ways but, more to the point, I think there's a true dilemma here between the two.-
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Black Mage is a Bad Guy. He happens to be with the "light warriors", but is evil, reveling in hadokens that siphon off the love in the world, raising divorce rates. He killed a townie. He needs to tell us his minor and we have to seriously consider dropping him. I have no doubt he'd assist scum in order to get his minor condition - we can't risk having him in the endgame, even assuming he's not the sk, with Fighter-killing being only his minor win condition and his major being killing us all.-
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It's probable that there are 3 scum left, right? Assuming Nemesis is sane, then (which I think is safe, looking at the flavour; Pintsize is insane, Marten reinterprets him. Plus I know I'm good), it appears that the three unconfirmeds are scum. HOWEVER, if Nemesis has hit a GF, then only 2 of the 3 unconfirmeds are scum (still pretty good odds, but not spectacular in a likely LyLo).
I, for one, would like full-PM quotes including both WCs from the three unconfirmeds ASAP (limit how much time they have to make them up).-
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...We're still waiting...StevieT92, last night, wrote:I'll claim tonight after I get back from the movies.
Okay. Thok's SK, no doubt, and likely the "head blown off" killer of Bertrand (IIRC). Still, I for one would like full-PM claims from Stevie and TSA before night falls so if theyarescum together, they don't get more opportunity to work together on good claims. That's why I'm not adding my vote yet.-
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Aelyn wrote:You are Ryan, the boy-turned girl from Abstract Gender. Since you have been through so much, you have learned to avoid danger - you can't die at night.
Confirm by PM, along with any questions you may have.
Minor victory condition: Survive to the Endgame
Major vivtory condition: Have the town win.
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Yeah, I don't believe that. Maybe it's:
1) the typos (I haven't seen any typos from Aelyn elsewhere in this thread, yet this short quote has at least two)
2) the minimal, humourless flavour that doesn't deal with Ryan's feelings or thoughts on the situationorhis character
3) the fact that Ryan's new name (Rachel) isn't mentioned
4) the way this role appearstoopro-town; Ryan's not especially altruistic (by which I mean, extraordinarily), most allegiance win conditions (such as "town win") are minors, as Aelyn himself said - so why is Ryan's major win condition the town win?
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We have more than just those, don't forget:
Example claim:
VitaminR's claim:You are Mega Man, the remarkably stupid droid from Bob and George. You may not be the brightest bulb in the box, being programmed to be stupid and all, but your heart is in the right place. Plus you have an awesome gun. You know that you have to rid the webcomics of the evil people trying to take it over, and you figure your special power to absorb abilities of things you kill could be helpful. Plus it gives you a great opportunity to better yourself! Each night, you can use any one of your night actions - initially, you only have the ability to kill, but whenever you kill anyone you gain any night abilities they may have. Note you can only use one ability each night.
Confirm by PM, along with your first night choice and any questions you may have.
Minor victory condition: Have the town win.
Major victory condition: Absorb at least two abilities.
It's taken until now for me to realise that these PMs might not be easily faked at all - apart from picking a person and role, there's a very specific "voice" to them that most of us (myself in particular) can detect, but probably not imitate. I definately want TSA's PM, and I'm starting to think full-pm quotes from everyone would be good (although I'd suggest we leave that until at least tomorrow).You're Fighter, the fighterest fighter in 8-Bit Theater. You want to help people, which is why you're a light warrior, and so is your bestest friend Black Mage. He's such a nice guy, you can't imagine what life would be like without him. If Black Mage gets lynched, and you're part of that lynch, you'll be so overcome with grief that you killed your besterest friend that you'll commit suicide.-
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Actually, I think we're likely to be lynching Stevie tomorrow so the Nemesis-confirmed players wouldn't want to claim before the day after tomorrow - is today Day 4? If today's Day 4 then I'd be interested in mass full claim on Day 6 (assuming the game's still in play).Adele wrote:I'm starting to think full-pm quotes from everyone would be good (although I'd suggest we leave that until at least tomorrow).
Where's TSA with his claim? He posted elsewhere onsite about 14 hours ago - cutting and pasting from the inbox takes 2 minutes.-
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