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>.< Oops! SorryzorzVote: timeater for asking to not reveal any spoilers.....and then goes and reveals a spoiler himself!
What are you DOING man? =D
I'm guessing there is going to be alot of speculating about character roles meshing with the canon in this game, which will be fun. I wonder how deep Delibird dived into show? Also, can we trust him as a proper interpreter? Personally I have good idea on what characters will be scum and which will not be.
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Basically its long-term planning and leaving "clues" and "indicators" of your role and your possible action. Its pretty standard for townie players to go back and point out their breadcrumbs when faced with a lynch. Good scum players will always try to breadcrumb.
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Generally not a good idea to give scum ideas about possible townie roles d1.Nudude wrote:It's also possible it could be Worf *shifty eyes*
He's not really running it, he just tried to hop on it... I think he's just a bit overeager. The fact that he said "I deserve to die" is kind of a WTF though. Lets see where this goes.frelaras" wrote:I'm done with random Pie... time to move on to the one running up a random bandwagon.
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Soooo..... Daystart was weird, guess thats pretty customary with minithemes though. Usually in situations like I'll take charge and start a conversation going, pouncing on any little thing that might be considered bad town play.
Zone, you've been pretty critical of Jebus but you've witheld your vote. Any reasoning for that? I'm all for pushing for a claim (I'm a big claim pusher). Or multiple claims until we find one we dont like (which is what it boils down to most of the time -_-)watch for the eggshells-
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Yeah, Jebus playing the "oopsiedaysies I'm just a newb so pwease dont get angwy at me if I act scummy" bit is getting kind of annoying. Whats that, three scum strikes? Personally I'm used to playing speedgames so I'm tempted to rush into things and urge people to vote. I mean right now the Jebus vote is as about as solid as you're gonna get at this stage, and it'll get people talking.watch for the eggshells-
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I disagree with that.
I think if there are changelings, they will have an active ability to morph into someone assuming their role, maybe directing night actions around or something (also possibly appearing innocent to cops). Finding the changeling is going to be very hard but I dont think it should breed an atmosphere of extreme extreme paranoia where we're all thinking everyone else is a changeling. From a logical standpoint, I think we just have to accept that there are changelings but not let it interfere withevery single point made about a possible character role.
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lol Sekin.I have the biggest post count in the thread so far, I'm used to people bandwagoning and jumping to conclusions about me d1. Originally I wanted to tone down my hyper-aggressiveness (just read some of my other threads) for this game but eh. Spade is a spade. Yes, it is premature - you have no idea what my playstyle is like. Frankly I see your attack on me as basically bandwagoning, because all the other votes on me are random.FoS sekinj
Let me explain what happens day 1 to the uninitiated. Through randomness or a case built on shady logic (or an obvious scum blunder), a person is elevated to 2-1 votes away from lynch. Said person claims or halfclaims in hopes of bringing the heat off him. If the claim is good, the votes will dissapate. If the claim is bad, hammertime. Thats what I meant by "lets see where this goes". I'm sorry for posting alot and trying to be helpful?watch for the eggshells-
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Roleclaims are apart of the game. I'm not suggesting a massclaim d1 or anything (although I think Liam did? Minor FoS on him for that). I'm just STATING that roleclaiming is apart of the game and will be necessary at a point. Yeesh!
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Dude no one was asking you to claim I'm boggled as to how you got that idea. As for not discussing, I dont see what I havent been discussing.Fos: Tim for slapping down the claim idea without actually discussing it. I hadn't thought about the fact that some of our players won't know all the characters though L-K, good point. I wasn't gonna push for it or anything, but I'm happier not claiming now.watch for the eggshells-
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Spoilers! (I think I'm the only one who cares? lol)
So you're one of THOSE. Starfleet doesnt vaporize btw. Completely hypothesizing here, but I'm guessing there is only one daykill in the setup, and that belongs to Gol Ducat = scum. He killedJadzea Daxin cold blood and of season 6. Well, the pah-wraith kinda did too. Anyways. I misread what you were saying earlier anyway, I thought you were saying the thread deserved death, like you were insulting the thread, missed the fact that you were talking about jebus.
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His role does make sense, flavor-wise. Vic is very personable and knows everything about everybody. He's sort of like a conselor before Ezri shows up. He even helped Odo. Vic is also supposed to be a super-advanced holo-program who is aware of his own condition, which makes him unique. Granted, it would be a convient role for scum to claim, because while it is not eminent, its not really an obvious scum threat, like townie, and wont have to explain himself if he survives a few turns.
I'm guessing Jebus has yet to track anyone, because its probably a night action. Not sure how the role would work, maybe something like a hobo. Like "so and so was at the klingon resturant, or I hear so and so was at garak's tailor shop".
I'm going to caution an unvote on Jebus for now, because he might be useful for hunting down changelings (hopefully there is only one) and cardassians.
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I think his station monitoring capabilities are mentioned in the season 6 episode,His Way
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Vic Fontaine was a holographic singer who was part of a program which simulated 1962 Las Vegas, Earth. He was a lounge singer who ran a nightclub in the city of Las Vegas. He was modeled after entertainers such as Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin, and had a repertoire of swing-era songs that he performed with his band. Vic was designed by Felix to be fully interactive with the program's participants and was even aware of his holographic existence. Felix programmed Fontaine to be self-aware. Fontaine was so sophisticated that he was able to turn himself on and off. Fontaine was programmed to be highly perceptive of human nature and in that capacity proved to be a valuable mentor to many residents of DS9. Felix gave the program to his friend, Dr. Julian Bashir of Deep Space 9, who installed it in one of the station's holosuites at Quark's.
Life on Deep Space 9
Because he was so advanced, the station crew began to think of Vic as a real person. He helped Odo with his attempts to win the love of Kira Nerys. Odo asked Vic for a little romantic advice in winning over Kira. Fontaine turned Odo into a tuxedo-clad piano player and invited a pair of beautiful holo-showgirls so that Odo could practice being at ease around women. Vic played matchmaker, told Kira about Odo's feelings, and arranged a date for them in his nightclub. Vic's advice and matchmaking paid off, and the two fell in love. (DS9: "His Way")
After Ensign Nog lost his leg on AR-558, he struggled, both emotionally and physically, to cope with his disability, even though his new biosynthetic leg worked perfectly. Nog decided to take his medical leave in the Vic Fontaine holoprogram. At one point, Nog's sensitivity about his handicap erupted, and he punched Jake who had come to the lounge on a date prompting Vic to order Nog out of the club. Around that time, Nog had become Vic's personal accountant. Profits rose, but Vic realized that Nog was using the program to avoid reality, and prodded Nog to return to life aboard DS9. Vic abruptly ended the program, and Nog was unable to reactivate the program. When Vic reactivated the program, he was able to convince Nog to return to the real world. In exchange, Nog arranged for Vic's program to stay online continuously, enabling Vic to experience something close to real life. (DS9: "It's Only a Paper Moon")
In 2375, a jack-in-the-box was activated in Vic's program. The unexpected plot development was part of the program originally designed by Felix. Vic was fired from his lounge as the mob took over his business. The crew of Deep Space 9 joined Vic and helped him regain his position. But it had to be done in a way that was period specific to the program. As such they devised a con game that got rid of the mobsters and restored the hologram to the way it was before. (DS9: "Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang")
Vic put on a special concert for the command crew of Deep Space 9 after the end of the Dominion War. It was the last time they were all together before many took new assignments after the war. (DS9: "What You Leave Behind")-
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OH MY GOD CAPS LOCKS JUST MAKES YOU GET ACROSS A POINT SO MUCH BETTER. (not)
Anyways, I'm content _for now_ to lay off Jebus and start thinking about other people. Zone, it sounds to me like a weaker townie support role that channelbird just threw in there because he was running out of real characters to setup roles for. Tracker can be useful, but is by no means a cop or a doc. It fits for me. Jebus, feel free to interject anytime.watch for the eggshells-
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Quit it with the caps dude, and take a Xanax or something... for christsakes, god. Vic is a prominent pro-starfleet & pro-cast figure. We dont have to be in the holosuit for him to track. Vic knows the ins and outs of the station and all its inhabitants. He's not your average program. If anything, he's like the doctor from voyager but without the mobile emitter. Have you even watched the show? Do you know what Vic is like? And Jebus hasnt even been that clear on how he tracks. Maybe he doesn't know because its d1!
I'm willing to let Jebus slide today because I dont want to risk lynching a potential tracker. I see no glaring flaws in his claim. Neither should you. Wait wait..... Dude I just realized, you're probably right. There are 10 MAIN PRO-STARFLEET(Good-guys) CHARACTERS ON THE SHOW. TEN! 9, if you want to get semanticy-ish. Now, why, when you have 9 MAIN CHARACTERS, would you add VIC FONTAINE to the lineup. Yeah that just doesn't make sense. Very convient scum claim too.
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Dear ZONEACE,
Quit being such a bitch.
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Screaming at people in all caps and then insulting them generally doesn't help in getting your point across. You're not some all-knowing mafia master. So far, every time you pontificate you do it irritatingly and dont do a very good job at getting your points across.
Anyway, like I said. After realizing the amount of main recurring characters, and the probable amount of scum, I think its unlikely that delibird would include Vic in the town lineup (unless he has a hardon for vic, hey). Also, if you take into account the amount of other cooler and more popular minor recurring characters (Nog, Rom, Garak, etc) I just dont see Vic factoring into a mini-game. So thats my reason for staying with the Jebus vote, just to pound it home.watch for the eggshells-
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And @Tim: Where does it say there are nine main characters?
WIFOM. I would be tempted to just go out and say who the nine main characters are, but please, how noob do you think I am? Honestly, anyone can find this out with just a little bit of research and effort. Not going to be helping any scum claims.
Anyway, I can see the point some of you have made that Delibird intentionally put in some minor character roles to prevent scum from just claiming non-main-cast characters. This is interesting, because basically we have two of these claims already, Martok and Vic Fontaine.watch for the eggshells-
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Its pretty obvious and he doesn't deny it?
First allusion to being Klingon.There is no honor in random voting.
Speaking Klingon, hinting at a role.SoH ghaj quvHa'ta' lIj qorDu'
Here he admits that he's possibly Klingon.Frelaras: It's Klingon. Between that and the previous post about honour, it's possibly a post restriction or possibly just a fluff-based way of participating.
Zone: Its the latter.
Another admission, saying he's breadcrumbing to a Klingon claim, admitting its a sloppy way of doing it.Oh, its also the worst attempt at bread crumbing EVER.
Another Klingon allusion.Well, Today is a good day to die. Well atleast for jebus it's a good day to die.
Yeaaa....*insert klingon catchphrase that obviously makes me scummy*
I'm thinking Worf or Martok right now.and that's where I call bullshit, there is no indication in the opening post flavor or my role PM flavor to suggest i would ever be in Quarks, let alone the holosuites.
Worf and Martok are really the only Klingon characters on the show. Worf is a regular, Martok isnt. So basically right there he was saying he was Martok.running out of characters to set up roles for? I mean I'll admit, my role isn't exactly a regular, far from it, but it at least makes sense in the DS9 flavorverse.
So instead of denying his claim, he just links to the wiki. To me this is a clear indicator that he has been trying to say he's Martok.
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Um, it is? Light-Kun, how old are you?Light-Kun wrote:Yeah, sure... THAT is likely.
Anyway, dont know where to take this. I've tried to get people posting and voting, and I dont mind a really long d1, (which it has been) but the rate at which we're going the thread is gonna die soon.watch for the eggshells-
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I swear, some of you guys know nothing about star trek. I was kinda hoping this would happen, I sort of expected it (god I'm good). I recommend an unvote on Zone for now, he deserves the chance to see his power in effect. I'm really curious about it. If he was ninja lynched before we got to see the vig, major FoS on whoever would do that.
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Ok.
Well, at least we know Jebus and Zone are town. And now that two lesser roles are claimed out of the way, I think its safe to assume that anyone else trying to claim a minor recurring role should be scrutinized greatly.
So, looking back, thinking about it, I'm gonna go back to who I originally thought was scummy before anyone else, CallMeLiam. He said a few undermining things that really alerted my scumdar big time.
Liam wrote:I picked up the breadcrumb in that very first post of yours, and while I think it's a bit early to be claiming characters it's entirely possible that a Klingon could be pro or anti- town in this game. Not everyone who seems to be Klingon will necessarily be so, as I'm sure Martok can attest.
Here he is, trying to claim that Martok and Worf might not be town aligned, which is quite preposterous. And if he was a fan of the show, which he claimed, he would know that. Very scummy.
Now he's trying to drill home the changeling-paranoia factor, which would completely undermine town attempts and discerning claims, and would just make things very difficult if we're always assuming anyone could be a shapeshifter at any time. Personally, I think if there are shapeshifters, it'll be a nightaction, not some automatic role assumption before the game starts. Paranoia and confusion - thats what he's trying to instill in us, being the first to mention it and claiming several times he will not be taking roleclaims into consideration.Liam wrote:I am, yes. The point is that when our villains are shapeshifters it's entirely possible that any of the cast can be scum
Even Rom could be with the Dominion? Are you kidding? Why would a shapeshifter impersonate ROM? Puh-lease. Here he is again, d1, trying to drill home more confusion tactics by saying that anyone could be with the dominion.Liam wrote:Jebus, my vote was random but you're not doing anything that makes me want to remove it. It's way way too early to be talking about claims (Tim, this applies to you too) especially when (as previously mentioned) any character could be on either side. Hell, even Rom could be with the Dominion.
Here he is suggesting a d1 massclaim. Did anyone else notice this at the time? I think a d1 massclaim would be extremely foolish for the town. I cant believe I let that slide at the time. I think Light-kun noticed it too. Also, not a fan of metagaming.Liam wrote: To be honest I'd have no problem with D1 mass CC just to get it out of the way. Since I can't think of a DS9 character without a logical power role I also believe it wouldn't be too harmful for the town.
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td mafia is a commitment, if you want to stay in the game you're gonna have to do a little better than 2% of the total thread count. (And thats what you have, about exactly 2% of the total posts) Consider yourself prodded so I'll unvote for now and go back to my Liam vote where I feel comfortable...
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