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I'll go ahead and fix this for you.strife220 wrote:4 votes on MLF is much more pushy than a dice vote deserves, in my opinion. Me thinks there's at least one scum on that wagon, unless there's another reason for voting him that I missed. Aioqwe and windkirby both have pretty crappy reasons for joining a wagon like that.
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If you're already going to assume that one of four people is scum, I'll just go ahead and assume you're scum.
Serious now, you're already trying to direct suspicion towards others, hence my vote on you. Not really towards a single person either...-
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That was a joke, notice the "Serious now" part of my post. I suppose it should have come before my vote and not before my justification for it, but yeah, what I said where you quoted doesn't even make sense for a reason to vote someone.melikefood wrote:
I find this strange, he didn't vote on you directly. He pointed out that the other players who voted on me had weak justifications. Not you.charter wrote:If you're already going to assume that one of four people is scum, I'll just go ahead and assume you're scum.
I didn't see you as suspicions until you said this.
Also, it's not that the people had poor reasons for voting for you, I agree, but you already labeled at least one of them as scum, which I don't neccessarily agree with at this point.-
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It was more of her saying that she's not going to be a conservative voter and then immediately unvotes. I dont think liam had any other serious votes, so there wasn't any danger in keeping it on either. At the time, it really jumped out at me. I reread the thread and I should have just seen what she posts next and go from there, but I don't really know why she felt the need to tell us how she would be voting either. I'm going to leave it there until she does give her thoughts.ClockworkRuse wrote:Charter- Attacking Darla because she unvoted is... rather weak as well. Unvoting until she can re-read and form her own opinions of what is happening isn't something that warrents a vote. I would like you to explain why you find this scummy.-
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Sorry, I posted in the V/LA thread that I was going to be gone and I didn't have time before I left to pm all the mod's of my games... But I'm back now. I don't have much time now, but I went through quickly so I'll address this.
Now you've convinced yourself that you are correct? So according to you, since there's two scum in that four, what order would you lynch them in? Why aren't you arguing to lynch all of them, since you're "definately correct"? You think you know everything, but I can't see how you're so sure that you're right. I agree that the wagon on food was poorly justified, but I think you're reading much too far into it and whatever convinced you that you've already found two scum.strife220 wrote:Unvote, Vote Charter
The vote on me was horrible, your vote on Darla was horrible, and your overdefensiveness to me saying 'there's probably scum on the MLF-wagon' implies that I was definitely correct, and possibly even nailed both you and your partner.-
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My reread. Don't know how I missed this one before...
The reasons people voted food.strife220 wrote:4 votes on MLF is much more pushy than a dice vote deserves, in my opinion. Me thinks there's at least one scum on that wagon, unless there's another reason for voting him that I missed. Aioqwe and windkirby both have pretty crappy reasons for joining a wagon like that.
Me - his name was first
Oman - "Dice tags are wrong and evil, and you should be killed"
kiwi - "outside of me, his actions seem interesting"
WK - "Not crazy about dicing"
What makes Oman's reason (or mine) any less crappy? You didn't mention Oman, but everyone who voted for Food had a poor reason.
In the beginning Muerrto seems to buddy up with a lot of people. I don't think there's much to gain there unless he is scum, but he hasn't done anything that scummy, so at this point I think he's just friendly (though hasn't buddied up to me )
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And people say I'm quick to change my vote? He unvotes kiwi saying there is nothing on him, when there are quite a few people who have givin valid reasons to suspect him as scum. Muerrto questions Oman about this, but Oman ignores it, so Oman care to elaborate on your vote for Muerrto?Oman wrote:Unvote Vote MuerrtoI find it incredulous that you acutally believe that he could be scummy after a townie did it in LYLO and you accept that it could be town.
Next Muerrto follows Oman's 'experience' and unvotes kiwi and seems to have dropped all questioning of Oman.
Oman ignores all questions from strife in post 160, and counters with a giant post of fluff. Oman, will you go back and answer the questions to you that you ignored from before?
I'd like to know where your vibes come from. Strhart seems pretty pro town to me.windkirby wrote:Reread the thread.
unvote, vote: sthart8
Primarily vibes, although Oman is becoming a close second in that category. If anyone has questions about either of these vibes, I can probably scrounge up the posts that did it.
The "communication" between Oman and Muerrto, I find, is minor at best, however, although now that it has been mentioned, I've made a note to keep an eye on them. At the level it's at now, though, I don't find it very suspicious.
So you're still saying that me and another person on that wagon are scum? So I'll ask you again, why aren't you trying to get us lynched? You're voting me, but having made much of a big case on me.strife220 wrote:I really don't know why I said 'definitely' there. Maybe I shouldn't be making posts at 2AM - the sentence "implies that I was definitely correct" is a bit self-contradicting. I should have wrote "reinforces my confidence."
Any reason for you to give votecounts? Any reason for your revised one to be forged? If you added votes wrongly to someone else but me I'd chalk it up to an honest mistake, but since you're gunning just for me, it makes it seem like you want me to appear to have more votes than I do for some reason. Care to share?
Bold Mine. Couple things off here. You vote for WK with no explanation but say you'll explain in a minute, and this is the explanation? Care to explain why you really voted for him? As in why pick him? Also you wonder how Oman could possibly be on WK's suspect list, and then...Beyond_Birthday wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you? After all this time, with ALL that is said, you can’t even give a serious reason?windkirby wrote:Reread the thread.
unvote, vote: sthart8
Primarily vibes, although Oman is becoming a close second in that category. If anyone has questions about either of these vibes, I can probably scrounge up the posts that did it.
The "communication" between Oman and Muerrto, I find, is minor at best, however, although now that it has been mentioned, I've made a note to keep an eye on them. At the level it's at now, though, I don't find it very suspicious.And how in seven blazes Oman anywhere near a second at this point?I can see Sthart8 as coming under suspicion, but seriously, you have NO reasons? You put all the time it takes to reread, but you NEVER took out quotes or typed notes for reasons so that you don’t look like a random voter by not giving reasons?
Reason I changed to Windkirby:
Error? I dunno, but I don’t want to vote him:Unvote
Bold mine. Here (later in the same post) you yourself list several reasons why Oman is scummy. Explanation for this?Beyond_Birthday wrote:@ Oman, your play here bothers me. While I do agree that townies shouldn’t look too much into encoded messages if you are town power roles,I am very suspicious of your suggestion to simply look the other way. The entire argument seems to force town to question whether the action is scummy, but to do so by not looking at the argument...
Second, your attack on Muerrto may have been an intelligent move in order to push against him and test him as town, but... I really, really don’t like you defense of the encoded messages observation by strife. I disagree, however, that the two of you are likely scum buddies.However, there is certainly the remaining chance one of you is scum. I can see that as a decent possibility.
“Note: we're not encoding them. We're talking about something you don't understand. The difference is that what we're doing is not anti-town at all. Unless you believe it to be, in which case I would love to hear that. “ ~Oman (being lazy)
NOTE: I don’t think that it is encoding or anti-town, just using the terms so you know what I am referring to. I do not see anything very scummy about it, aside from the fact that you seemed very strange. Even though I haven’t metagamed anyone here, I can only draw the conclusion that I have said about you testing Muerrto. Even though this doesn’t make a lot of sense, I am going to review it in case it becomes more important later.
Third:Oman wrote:
No. Its irrelevant to the game.strife wrote:ow are we supposed to know that what you're doing is pro-town?
Windkirby, I love you dearly, please don't take this badly but:Strife wrote: Case in point. If you and windkirby are both town, you've struck him with paranoia and distracted him from trying to find scum.
Thats not my problem, nor my fault. If a player is distracted by small simple things, then if its not me, it'll be something else.The idea that it isn’t your problem for townies to be distracted seems scummish. Because, it wouldn't be your problem only if you are mafia. So, seems slightly suspect.
*Sighs*
The only thing that changed is that, as of right now, you are not in my list of people I think to be village.I do not think that it was significantly pro town, unless it is revealed later, but I will certainly look into my own thoughts later, should something really set my alarm off about you, Oman.
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Thanks for answering Strife's question... Now how are we supposed to know the real reason why he didn't include Oman in his list?aioqwe wrote:
Strife220 is Oman's scumbuddy? Nah. I feel Strife's opinions was that food only deserved 1-2 votes for dicing. Obviously I feel differently and I wouldn't consider your vote as a vote because it was random.charter wrote:What makes Oman's reason (or mine) any less crappy? You didn't mention Oman, but everyone who voted for Food had a poor reason.-
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No, I'm pointing out how you put extra votes on my name. I can't believe you went back and looked and missed it again after I pointed it out that first time either. Your first votecount.strife220 wrote:The votecount is because I was interested, and because deadline is now looming and we have to start thinking more seriously about who to lynch. Votecount lays out everyone's opinion on that matter.
What do you mean my latter votecount was forged? Are you pointing out how I had to post two? If so, look at the time stamps. My first vote count was made one minute after BB changed his vote, hence the 'crossposting' comment.
Your second onestrife220 wrote:Unofficial vote count:
Aioqwe [2] (Beyond_Birthday, DarlaBlueEyes)
Charter [2] (Sthar8, Strife220)
Melikefood [1] (Aioqwe)
Muerrto [1] (Oman)
DarlaBlueEyes [1] (Charter)
Sthar8 [1] (Windkirby)
Unofficial deadline count: about 7 and a half days.
The only person who changed votes while you could possibly have been posting was BB. He changed his vote to WK, not charter, like you are trying to make others believe.strife220 wrote:EBWOP: Lots of crossposting.
New Unofficial vote count:
Aioqwe [1] (DarlaBlueEyes)
Charter [3] (Sthar8, Strife220, Beyond_Birthday)
Melikefood [1] (Aioqwe)
Muerrto [1] (Oman)
DarlaBlueEyes [1] (Charter)
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Before I forget, BB, can you answer why you voted WK then immediately unvoted and never gave a reason for either action?
Oman, ever going to get time to answer those questions I pointed out to you?
Strife, waiting for your response to 205. I guess since there's no official question in there, why did you heap another vote onto me? What were you trying to gain? Like I said, I'd believe it to be an accident if it was for someone else than the person you're trying to lynch, but it isn't so it seems fishy.
Thats a good point Strife, I do need to have my vote out since we're nearing deadline.
vote WK
I think Oman has already shot down all three of WK's reason's for voting Oman, but I'll add my two cents.
Oman never said, or eluded to a no lynch being better. He was opposed to have a set plan because he thought it would be easy for scum to manipulate it. I happened to agree with Oman. And no, it might not be as obvious as you are making it out to be. Say there are two people at five or six votes, one scum comes on and unvotes or revotes someone and can easily prevent a lynch (this is assuming they don't just say unvote X vote Y, and actually make it seem legitimate)windkirby wrote:And for Oman (numbered by everyone's posts)
29: I didn't like his denial of sthar8's plan. He says it makes it too easy for scum to control the town, but honestly, this would be ridiculously transparent. Would a no-lynch honestly be better?
So you weren't "continuing to lead conversation away from what's important" with this?windkirby wrote:108:
this. It's not as bad as food's post because at least food's reference to the game was relevant to his quietness, as he put it, whereas here Oman simply continues to lead conversation away from what's important.What system is it on?
?windkirby wrote:I have a DS, but I'm busy with "The World Ends with You".
Fortunately, because it's not like we have any mafia games going on or anything, we can guilt-free-ly focus all of our attention to the lovely games on the Nintendo DS regardless of what we're actually supposed to be doing right now, like, I don't know, play mafia or whatever. Wait, what is mafia again? More importantly, is everyone picking up on my sarcasm? Maybe it was too subtle...-
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Way too premature for a claim, I don't like how he gives up and claims cop when theres just a small hint of him getting lynched. The real cop would not want to give themselves up that easy. That said, I don't buy it, but it's definately not worth the chance that he's lying to lynch him anyway. Sounvote
Botch Windkirby...
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First, investigate who you think is scum. If you're the real cop, you are sure of your own motivations. You don't know how much the scum influence who the town thinks is scum.windkirby wrote:I will absolutely give my results first thing each day (as well as my reason for choosing that person), but one thing I'm wondering about is whether I should investigate people who I am suspicious of or people who the town is generally suspicious of. I'm guessing the latter, but if I happen to clear someone the town was suspicious of, it might make things difficult, and, as sthar said, make people want to lynch me to confirm my investigations.
Don't take other people's input unless they are confirmed townies.windkirby wrote:I'm fine with this, but I'd like to know what sort of thing I should be aiming for when choosing my investigated. If you'd rather not give me any direction at all so that scum cannot predict who I will investigate, this is fine, also.-
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Ok, I just started rereading at page 8, and went through, so if you have a question/concern I haven't addressed, let me know, and I'll get on it. Sorry this took so long, but I'm at work, so I have to do some legitimate work...
I'm not attacking strife's suspicion of me, I attacked his assertion that at least one of the four voting food was scum.sthar8 wrote:Charter is still my number one suspect. His first two attacks were garbage, and he spent a long time doing nothing. His recent posts started off by attacking strife's suspicions of him on points of diction. He also seems to respond to strife's "there were some poorly reasoned votes on that wagon" with "Every vote on that wagon was poorly reasoned. How is that scummy?" which isn't really a defense.
According to you, how is that any different than any of my other votes? Also, a lot of people are putting absolute trust in Oman and his numerous gambits. Not trying to portray him in a bad light or anything. I'm just saying on day one I'm not very trusting of anyone.sthar8 wrote:He then bites at Oman's gambit-bait, though not with any real conviction.
I questioned why he voted for someone and unvoted and gave no reason. Saying it was a mental mistake is fine, but I didn't know that when I questioned him. Attack is a little extreme of word to be using, I questioned him, I didn't even accuse him.sthar8 wrote:Next, charter attacks BB on an "inconsistancy" in BB's post, but on further examination I think it fairly clear that the expressed opinions are not inconsistant.
Well, I didn't see it as as big of a stretch as you did I suppose.sthar8 wrote:I find charter's assertion that strife intentionally botched his unofficial votecounts to be a big stretch, since I don't see anything for strife to gain by doing so, regardless of alignment.
Sthar8, could you direct me to "Charter has not yet responded to my initial posted suspicions of him, other than to adjust his posting style away from what I noted as suspicious. " the post you're referring to there, I can't find it.-
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Meurrto certainly seems to believe them. I took people not expressing their reservations about his gambits to mean they were ok with them. I suppose absolute trust was a far reach. Meurrto also gives me the impression that he is 100% convinced Oman is town (post 202), which is troubling for day one.sthar8 wrote:
Your other attacks have been much more confident in presentation, even though they were quickly dropped. I attribute this to the awkwardness Muerrto created with his response to Oman's attack. Who do you think has been trusting in Oman's gambits? I seem to be seeing a lot more suspicion of them than you do, and I knowcharter wrote:According to you, how is that any different than any of my other votes? Also, a lot of people are putting absolute trust in Oman and his numerous gambits.I'venever stated that I'm trusting in his pro-town intentions or the results of his gambits.
Once again, I wasn't attacking him. I was questioning him. I think it's odd that he proclaimed Oman town at the beginning of his post but then gives a few examples of how Oman was scummy. I didn't draw conclusions on either one of them, but I was noting it.charter wrote:I was referring to the third of your post dedicated to pointing out inconsistancy in BB's attitude toward Oman.
Not entirely sure what you want me to respond to here, probably why I "have not yet responded to [your] initial posted suspicions of [me]". I did have six posts, three were votes, two more were explanations. You say I might have a valid point in there. The only thing I could possibly comment on is "it seems to me that you are fishing for reactions with these votes, which could be scum trying out wagons to find the easy lynch." Yeah I was trying to get reactions from the people I voted to see if they would jump and overreact when I voted them. They didn't so I backed off them. I'm not going to fabricate a case against them based on one little thing at the beginning of the game.sthar8 wrote:I'm going to go ahead andUnvote, Vote: charter
You have six in-game posts, and three of those have been votes. Two of the remaining three have been explanations for your serious votes. Now, your second point against Darla may be valid (I'll wait till her post to decide) but it seems to me that you are fishing for reactions with these votes, which could be scum trying out wagons to find the easy lynch.
The last part of that is your thoughts. I can tell you that's not my intentions, but obviously I can't prove that to you.
@Oman, going to answer any of the questions that multiple people here have asked you? You keep ignoring them, and the requests to answer them...
@food,melikefood in 219 wrote:Kiwi I don't find suspicious, just defensive trying to bat off accusations from him.
Charter I'm not suspicious of either, his vote was before my dicing and was random.
What's this "other's stuff" that prompted this 180 degree turn?melikefood in 268 wrote:Based on other's stuff I'm finding Charter the most suspicious.
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Strife, Kiwi has a vote too. You seem to have a lot of trouble with votecounts... Also, by your logic, you shouldn't lynch me, as I have two strikes. I don't think strikes mean anything (with respect to your role), I was out of town and just posted in the V/LA thread and didn't have time to pm my mods and I got two strikes out of it. Does that mean that I shouldn't be lynched ever because I have two strikes, but still plan on participating fully? No. Your logic here is horribly flawed... Let people be immune from lynch because there's a chance they might get modkilled...
Why do you say Kiwi is likely out of the running? Obviously I'm not going to vote myself, and right now I just think Food is a useless townie, so I'm considering Kiwi because speculation about him served to consume a large portion of D1.-
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Ok, questions for Oman here, I know I missed some, apologies. How do the rest of you take for granted that Oman is town? He pretends he's lazy, but look at his defenses whenever anyone casts suspicion on him. He's acts lazy when people ask him to answer questions, but when it's his own neck on the line he's not. Go back and look if you don't believe me, then ask Oman a question or two.
I just went back to page 7, any before then and I won't have them again here.
Post 160. Strife asks you questions.ClockworkRuse 200 wrote:Oman, did you find anything from your gambit or was it a flop?strife220 wrote:
Windkirby has been on this site for over 4 months and has made almost 400 posts. Kiwi has been on this site for a year and has made over 700 posts. You're offering them a newbie defense?Oman wrote:Strife wrote:"Sort of" being, what about Food's bandwagon? Page 2, 4 votes from using dice to random vote? If you think townie-wagons grow faster than scum-wagons, you must think it's because there is scum on them. Why haven't you invested much interested into the members of said wagon?
Because I don't think that the members on it will give much. I took a look at them and decided it was a much more reasonable and a much more logical strategy to focus on other things which were more reliable. You see, newbies often wagon hard as town or scum, so its less reliable.
What are your feelings on Charter's OMGUS over-reaction to my accusation?ClockworkRuse 259 wrote:Now then... I'll ask it again. XD
Oman- Do you think your gambit worked well? Did you find anything through it?
Oman responds saying he needs to do a reread on me, I haven't really stood out. Now he's flip flopped magically (I assume he didn't do the reread based on how lazy he wants us to think he is with his last post, and he never posted thoughts on me) and voted for me.sthar8 261 wrote:Oman, what are your thoughts on charter?
While going back through, I realized Kiwi did a bunch of scummy things that even I questioned him about too. Like I said before, I think Food is just useless, and since I know I'm not a good lynch for today,ClockworkRuse wrote:Maybe thethird timeis the charm.
Oman- What, if anything, did you find through your gambit?vote Kiwi
Why do you guys say you'd prefer my lynch, but you don't vote me (obviously not strife or sthat)? I honestly can't see any reason with a deadline this close, so enlighten me. These people include windkirby, Oman and Food.-
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I'm an idiot. It is in there, but so Oman can see it again.
Oman responds saying he needs to do a reread on me, I haven't really stood out. Now he's flip flopped magically (I assume he didn't do the reread based on how lazy he wants us to think he is with his last post, and he never posted thoughts on me) and voted for me.sthar8 261 wrote:Oman, what are your thoughts on charter?
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Am I the only one noticing strife picked me for scum in the beginning of the game and hasn't dropped it or looked much for anyone else? You stretch everything I say strife to make another argument against me. I don't say he shouldn't let scum influence his kill. I say he can't help it. You in fact took the opposite of what I said and tried to twist it into another argument against me.strife220 wrote:
We don't have to reach a majority, we just have to have enough people input opinions and Kiwi to say 'alright guys, I'm going to kill *Person X* tonight.charter wrote:I don't like the idea of the town deciding on your kill. First, there's no way we can reach a consensus. Second, you're letting the mafia influence your kill, hence I think it's plausibe that you're going to kill a townie.
Shouldn't let mafia influence the kill? Mafia influence every kill made in Mafia - that's one of the ways we're supposed to catch them. That's why we discuss reasons for and against lynching a player.-
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No I wouldn't and regardless of when I used it, I would not have people discussing about it in thread. Also, the fact that no one has given a reason to not kill liam tonight (again for an arbitrary reason, lurking is a null tell in my book) tells me that liam is town. His scumbuddies would have at least suggested someone else, but no one has said anything other than kill liam. Sooo since the mafia already know kiwi has to kill liam, we're just going to lose two townies tonight.strife220 wrote:I still don't understand your point "you're letting mafia influence the kill, and thus will probably kill a townie." Perhaps I'll understand your thought process better if you answer this question: If you were a pro-town vig this game (ignoring the fact that Kiwi has claimed vig), would you use your kill ability tonight, knowing that probability dictates that you'll likely hit a townie?
This is my main reason for not wanting to direct kills. I didn't say it before because I could have possibly used my knowledge of liam being a townie to help out later, but now everyone can as well. Of course, now there's two options. Go through with the liam kill, or pick someone else. Now if you direct it, no one will, for sure, step in because it will look like they're defending their scumbuddy.
There is literally no good that can come from discussing his NK in this thread. Regardless of the situation the mafia can make a kill so that all of tomorrow will be spent WIFOMing to death. I've noted who all seemed to think discussing his idea was a good idea...-
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You say my statement made you laugh. I assume your intent was to discredit my thought. What about my thought do you not agree with exactly? Why did you not put your reasoning in your original post?sthar8 wrote:
This made me laugh.charter wrote:Also, the fact that no one has given a reason to not kill liam tonight (again for an arbitrary reason, lurking is a null tell in my book) tells me that liam is town. His scumbuddies would have at least suggested someone else, but no one has said anything other than kill liam.
I am very okay with the mafia allowing town to direct their kill. In that case we lose the scummiest player instead of the towniest, and all it buys for scum is a small opportunity to try to convince us on weak, silly reasoning that a claimed vig is actually mafia, rather than the easier to believe theory that he is an SK.
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Thanks for clearing up why you said it was funny. I just didn't like how you didn't post your reasons in the first place. While your points are valid, everything I said was still true (or at least plausible)
Well, I'm obviously not going to vote for myself. I still don't put a whole lot of stock in Kiwi's claim, so I'm still happy with lynching him since I know what my role is and his is quite questionable. This, unfortunately, isn't really a defense, but it's my reason for still voting him. I would vote food, but like I said, I'd wager he's just a not helpful townie.-
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I summarized this from my quote, don't want to copy and paste anything and risk a modkill.
Mysterious New Flavor - Doctor. I'm the mysterious new flavor of ramen. I could be beef or crab or horse shit. Each night I can sprinkle my seasoning on someone and it's mysterious power prevents them from being killed during the night.
As much as I hate to admit it, I think strife has the right idea here. I believe we should let Kiwi live tonight despite his scumminess, and deal with him tomorrow. If he pulls through, it will be a powerful addition to the town.unvote, vote CallmeliamI have a feeling Liam has the best chance for being the lynch today, so I'm voting him.-
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I'm the doctor. Glad to know what you would do if you were mafia. How exactly does that help us and not serve for a whole mess of pointless WIFOM discussion? Also, thanks for bringing attention to me, and ruin my chances of flying under the radar tonight.ClockworkRuse wrote:I'd like it if we could just use the term night kill for Kiwi from now on. =D Thank you very much. That said...
Wow. That's all I can really say about Oman. I would also like to say, why is the doctor still alive? If I was mafia, that is exactly who I would go after first. I'm going to have to re-read on who claimed doc, but I find that very odd that mafia would leave a claimed doctor alive.-
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True. I guess I just interpret your several posts about him and being modkilled as seeming anxious.strife220 wrote:
The game is basically waiting on him. Me saying it won't make it any less true or not so there's no harm - Flameaxe has been keeping a close eye on time stampscharter wrote:Why are you so anxious for a modkill on Kiwi?-
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Yes, my one vote and practically no argument against you is going to lynch you. Where did I say I wanted to lynch you again? I want you to actually explain all your speculating and insider knowledge. I don't need to wait for Kiwi to come to try and figure out why you're so fast to propose all these theories (terrible ones at that, I can explain if anyone wants me to).ClockworkRuse wrote:
So instead of waiting for the information that the town needs to know right now, you'd rather get straight into lynching?charter wrote:Since I've grown bored of waiting for Kiwi...
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I don't know how you can slip knowing the thinking of scum and expect to get away with it.
mod, is Kiwi about to be modkilled, or are we getting our panties in a bunch for no reason?
You DID slip, and now you're trying to play it off like it was some plan of yours. Just let the rest of us know when you're done with your speculating and want to try and find some scum, ok?I didn't slip at all, it definitely made you worried about something. That is exactly what I was hoping for. Why are you so worried about the possibility I offered if you really are the doctor?-
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CWR, you've made four posts, and in the first three you put forth no fewer than three different theories (one is kind of a repeat, so I'd assume that's the one you want the rest of the town to believe).
ClockworkRuse wrote:Wow. That's all I can really say about Oman. I would also like to say, why is the doctor still alive? If I was mafia, that is exactly who I would go after first.ClockworkRuse wrote:There is also the possibility that they went after the cop and the doctor protected.ClockworkRuse wrote:I think it should be obvious that scum would attempt to hit the doctor, then the cop.
I didn't explicitly ask you any questions, it was implied that I wanted you to explain your speculating, and how your speculating benefits the town in any way. Since you need to be spoon fed, Why are you speculating the night actions before Kiwi speaks up? and How does speculating last night's actions benefit the town?ClockworkRuse wrote:It doesn't make sense for Mafia to not kill but there is the possibility that the doctor saved someone last night.
You're right though, I am worrying that we will waste our time with your speculating and end today with the same debacle as yesterday.
Preview - Haha, So I OMGUS voted you after you drop a major scumtell? Yes, OMGUS is the proper term for that type of vote.-
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Hah, just looked through CWR's posts yesterday, and he was scheming mafia strategies yesterday as well. I'd say this was the most blatent,
He also had a few more posts giving the mafia ideas on what to do during the night. CWR, why do you spend so much time trying to figure out what the scum will do/give them ideas?ClockworkRuse wrote:
Here, I'll chart it out.windkirby wrote:I must say I haven't understood CR's last few posts... I don't get the point he's trying to make with the vig-scum-nkill-whatever deal.
But anyway, even if kiwi is lying or is an SK, we might as well save him for a bit later. After all, if he is SK, he's after the mafia, too...
Town - Alright Vig, kill X.
Vig- Okay.
Night comes around.
Vig nk's X
Mafia no kills.
The next day, mafia puts blame onto vig saying he faked claimed to try to get rid of the NK immune vig.
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Food, the only way of knowing the sanity of a cop is to get two different results, one of which on a confirmed townie or scum. Anything else and you CAN NOT know the sanity of the cop. I know, I just played in a game with 8 cops, it was a pain figuring them out. I don't want to sound all doom and gloomy, but strife might be right about the misleading power, and I think CWR is the best lynch today.-
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I don't think massclaiming is going to out anything else, however I don't think it's going to reveal anything but vanilla townies. On the off chance that we do have more town power, I say we don't mass claim yet.
I get the feeling that CWR knows that Muerrto is town, and is misleadingly trying to convince us to lynch him based solely on WK's result. I've already explained. Lynching Muerrto will only narrow down WK's sanity to sane/insane or paranoid. Until you get a different result there's no way to figure out if he's useful or not. I also don't like his putting forth all these different theories on what could have happened during the night. Other than Muerrto's flimsy claim, and WK's result, I don't see anything else on him. I'm also fairly suspect of WK's claim, I have a hard time believing that we both have a sane cop, and that he is the sane cop.CWR wrote:Now then, can I ask why we aren't lynching Muerrto? With his lynch, we discover if our cop is insane, paranoid, or sane. Information that we need to know.
I see what you're saying, I think it's just better to wait until tomorrow. If WK gets another guilty, then he's either a great cop, or insane/paranoid. Personally, WK has struck me as everything but great this game. If he gets an innocent tomorrow, then I'm all for lynching either Muerrto or the innocent. My vote goes for holding off until tomorrow.sthar8 wrote:Charter: Why wouldn't we lynch Muerrto today? If we fail to, we miss the opportunity to gain information about which of the four possible roles that WK has. We also potentially lose the use of a very pro-town role. I understand your reservations about potential cop sanity, but the only way to solve that problem is to act on WK's info.
This makes no sense. Strh8 who said the only thing you saved us from was a pro-town strategy. Clarify?ClockworkRuse wrote:I agree with Strife that I didn't 'save' anyone from anything and that BB shouldn't be using Oman's logic to defend me.
WK, do you have any reason to say "since I still don't think there's a large enough chance I'm not sane"? Also, you start off you post saying you changed your mind, about what?
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You're going to have to explain this one. How do you question your alignment, even slightly?windkirby wrote:Charter - Many doubt that Muerrto is guilty because a) my sanity and b) my alignment. I onlyslightlyquestion my alignment
@Strife, I have no idea what your role is, but would you only claiming be beneficial?-
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No, but as far as I can tell, we don't have any confirmed townies. So this would mean that unconfirmed ones would have to make it and agree upon it. I don't think fakeclaiming is going to be a good idea today, because once someone says they were just lying to try and catch scum, I don't think we'd have any choice but to lynch them.-
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This is all fine and dandy, but I don't see how it helps us. Any of these claims could be just as made up as the next one. I want to believe strife and food. I don't think they, as scumbuddies, would have tried to pull off something that complex and out both of themselves in one fell swoop.
However, what do we do about sthar? That's a convenient claim as scum, and more than slightly suspicious with the absurd amount of town power we have.
I want to do a reread and see if I can find things I missed the first go around.
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Ummmmm, Darla, that's not a very convincing answer you give there...
This is the same sort of hesitance that Muerrto gave when he was told to claim. Yours and his seem more half-assed than everyone else.
And then CWR. His claim seems to be more believable, but I still think he's the scummiest.
BB is my third suspect. None of these three counterclaimed Meurrto and all of them should have. It seems to me that they were waiting to see if Meurrto could get away with the claim, and if not, they would step in.
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I already said, the only people I'm really suspicious of are CWR, Darla, and BB. So I think it's entirely possible that it's CWR and Darla. I think when I voted, CWR had one other vote and I don't think Darla had any, so I put the second one on CWR. I have no problem lynching Darla, like you said, her claim has been horrible, just like Muerrto's. If the Darla wagon is the one that is favored, I'll jump on that one, but when I voted it was CWR's.-
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