Mini 619 - Ramen Mafia (Over!)

[charter]

I think we're getting close to a lynch here, so

Mod: Vote count please

No.

You're right, I got it backwards.

[melikefood]

Vote Darla

Because of your sketchy roleclaim and your deleted PM.

[ClockworkRuse]

@strife, Flameaxe is V/LA for a while so I don't know when we're going to get a votecount or end of the day.

Are mine and Sthar8's names/avatars really That similar?


Your logic on who is scum depending on what Darla flips is backwards. If Darla flips town, that means CWR is either definitely town, or has a copy of the plain, dry ramen role-PM

No, I have no idea why people keep doing that. It is kind of funny though.

[strife220]

Forgot I asked for a votecount myself. Sthar8 asked for one in the post immediately preceeding yours too, charter


Darla is L-1 by my count

[charter]

Oh, I must have missed that. I was in a rush before. I had something I meant to address in my last post, but I can't remember it now. Hopefully it comes back to me.

[Beyond_Birthday]

First:
Okay, so I give you chicken ramen to eat. And, you take your sweet time to eat it, so you can't do anything that night. I apparently give people chicken noodle soup, not that they eat me. I am a great jailer chef! yay!


Second:
Anyway, I don't like all this reasoning that gives me a 66% chance of being scum.

Third:
Um, actually, I I keep thinking sthar is a girl because Sthar-->star (minus H), and that seems like a girls name.

Fourth:
Yeah, strife and Sthar, I remember things by name, not avatar. So, when I think of that S name, I might type the wrong one. And Strife, definitely a male's name. Dunno what Sthar is supposed to be... sorry guy.

Fifth:
I have no objections, so who should I jail?

[charter]

Second, if you don't like it, you'd best try and prove it wrong. Saying you don't like it isn't going to convince anyone you're scum.

Fifth, don't tell the scum who they can't kill tonight...

On a related note (and what I forgot yesterday)

I'd rather lynch Darla today because she's more likely to be scum (two plain dry raman?? deleted PM??). If BB is role-blocker, there isn't much damage he can do given the claimed roles. We have the ability to direct him as well, where he would be forced to role-block instead of make a kill (if RB can't do both). For example, if we lynch Darla and she flips Godfather, have BB jail the cop. If he's RBer, he'll be forced to use his RB instead of perform the kill (if that's how mechanics work with the RB role here). It also allows the doc to choose a different protection target.

How does this allow me to protect someone else exactly?

[charter]

That should be

Second, if you don't like it, you'd best try and prove it wrong. Saying you don't like it isn't going to convince anyone you're

NOT

scum.

[strife220]

If BB protects the Cop, you can protect anyone you please. Regardless of if BB is scum or town, he's forced to 'protect' (or pretend to protect) WK, so WK won't get killed. The only person open to target is you, Charter, and scum seem to have a weird thing against killing you - perhaps because you have 2 strikes.

This only applies if Darla flips GF. If Darla flips RB, then we're even better off - BB should be able to prove his Jailkeeping ability because WK shouldn't get a night result.

[charter]

Ah. I see. I I take back my answer to your fifth question then BB.

[sthar8]

Way back in the early 90s, when I learned to operate the Internet, the military (at least the base I was on) was in the habit of assigning account names. Mine was the first two letters of my first name, then the first three letters of my last name, then the number 8, since I was the eighth user to be signed up on an account with those particulars. Since my birthday is the 8th, and my school ID number at the time (which was pretty useless, given that there were only about 15 students) was 8, I decided I liked the convenience of the screen name. I've been using it ever since, excepting an unfortunate period when a girlfriend changed it to compliment hers.

Also, the little symbol next to "gender" under each person's avatar is generally a safe guide when attempting to determine the sex of an internet entity.

I'm waiting on the mod before I vote, but I think Darla is a good plan. If she flips town, however, I think that BB should target somebody other than WK, on the slight chance that either the GF can't submit kills, or the RB decides to target someone else. I also think BB should target someone other than me, since I don't need his protection and if he's town that leaves only two targets for scum.

On the other hand, if BB continues to protect me, scum may try to increase suspicion on me by no-killing or targetting WK on the off chance that charter doesn't protect him. If WK dies, there is less suspicion on me and we lose a cop. If he lives, which is more likely, we have a second night without kills and there is a slightly greater amount of suspicion on me. This does not bother me at all, as fewer kills means more chances for the town.'

All of this is very unlikely, and I find it probable that Darla will flip scum, but we should be prepared in any case.

[windkirby]

Here for my daily post to prevent a third strike. No real change of opinion, I don't really cared if I get jailed or not. It's really up to you guys.

[sthar8]

WK, just remember that if we do decide to jail you, you still need to pick a target and submit, otherwise we gain significantly less information.

[melikefood]

The jailer shouldn't protect Charter or WK since they need to use their roles in the night.
Other than that, I'd be fine with anything.

[strife220]

If Darla flips scum, why shouldn't the jailer target the cop tonight? There will only be one scum left, and the cop investigation is not particularly useful at this point when it seems like BB is third scum. There are no other roles that can confirm BB's ability to block tonight.

[sthar8]

In fact, Food, BB would

need

to use his ability on the cop because that's the only way we can confirm he used it. Otherwise, if he's scum, he can just kill someone other than his protect target and claim to have blocked/protected, and we'd never know.

[melikefood]

Okay, That makes sense.

[ClockworkRuse]

I'm here and I agree that BB should attempt to jail WK.

[strife220]

Need BB to confirm

BB: If Darla flips scum, target WK. Confirm?

[Beyond_Birthday]

Oh, yes, I can confirm. Trust me, I read and pay attention since I am not really going to be able to do anything else useful at this point. And I just was going to point out that my protection comes at a price:

If I save you, you can't use your role.

However, since this has been pointed out as semi irrelevant, I will jail WK as soon as night comes. However, assume that Darla flips town, who should I target?

*I will quickly reread to see if this was mentioned, should night come prematurely.*

And I dunno where votes are so:

MOD: Could you vote count when you return?

Finally:

Sthar8: I usually consider gender/icons all to be irrelevant. However, that story will definitely be kept in my memory for a much longer amount of time, and I will probably recall the correct name between you two at least.

*Bows* My apologies.

In any case, I will redirect my question: Sthar8, should I protect anyone other than WK or Charter (or yourself) if Darla flips town, or do you have someone specific in mind? (I have no problems, as I have a decent idea who to target otherwise..., just wondering if you had a particular idea.

[strife220]

Darla's at L-1. Flameaxe is afk until tomorrow.

If Darla flips town, I think anybody but WK, Charter, and Sthar8 should be jailed - don't say who. Doc protects cop. Cop chooses his own investigation target.

[Beyond_Birthday]

Cool, then I have the person in mind already.

In any case,

Unvote

Forgot to do that Strife.

Hm..., I won't hammer, unless you people want me to. In rereading, I read something about worrying about an abrupt end to today, so I am definitely going to wait for the OK before voting, mostly due to current suspicions on me.

[strife220]

I don't have a problem with ending the day early. No reason to wait out the deadline if we aren't going to start talking about something different. We can bring up the BB issue tomorrow when we know Darla's role and the jailkeep outcome

[sthar8]

Actually, I was just waiting for the mod to come back and post a VC before hammering. It was an arbitrary decision on my part intended to give a definite deadline so that everyone could air whatever business they needed to before the lynch. In particular I assumed Darla would attempt a defense, but that seems to not be happening. I intend to hammer as soon as the mod gets back, but you can feel free to do so sooner if you wish. I'm basically just bearing out my implied promise at this point.

BB: I don't care who you protect if Darla is innocent, so long as it is not WK or charter. I would request the block on me in order to force scum to WIFOM with a no-kill or prove that I do not send in mafia kills, but there are too many variables for that evidence to mean anything. Besides, having three unkillable townies instead of two, especially if the third one is possibly a surprise with the potential to block the kill on either the sender or receiver's side, is too advantageous to give up.

[charter]

I don't really see what else there is to discuss today. There's no sense in planning out two scenarios based off what alignment Darla is, just wait until D4 when we know for sure. Hammer away.