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Okay, I am on page 10 and I am still reading up on the game right now.
Few things I wanted to say regarding myself and other people.
1.) It says I am a newb, which is somewhat true because I am new to the site. However, I've played on other sites so I am not clueless when it comes to playing the game.
Now, in regards to what I've read so far...
Wheme seems like a scum player who is just trying to be nice to people while at the same time not doing any scum-hunting. I've read through their posts and it bothers me how they don't seem to even try to engage people, but only post so it seems like they are contributing in discussion. Hopefully this isn't an issue for this slot further into the game.
Gerry guy seems like a town that honestly doesn't care at all. The attitude given makes me believe that they don't even care whether they are lynched or not, and it doesn't seem forced to me at all in my opinion.
Treats, you seem to be engaging with most people at this point in time. Can you tell me why your vote is on ECMitchell and how you felt about my previous slot? You probably explain this later but given I've missed it I would like to discuss something.
There was one other person who bothered me, and that was Aj. Will follow up on this when I see more-
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From what I've seen at page 20, Naomi has been way too fence sitting IMO. She spends most of her time into reading and making Town-reads, but the one thing I have rarely seen is her digging into scum-reads. It's way too easy for scum to make Town-reads because they know who Town is and and can find the townie parts in people's posts.
I also notice that so many people have Town-reads on her that aren't explained in any depth. Unless people mention "she is providing lots of content" which I do not find her content to be scum-hunting.
I hear she replaced out or something? Will find that later I guess.-
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This is a really terrible post using pre-flip.In post 533, Aj The Epic wrote:No, if Wheme is scum, game's over because his partners are Lowell/Hawk.-
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I dislike when people say "if I was scum..." it generally feels (especially the way it was delivered) that it is a forceful way to present themselves at Town.In post 556, Aj The Epic wrote:TBH if I was scum, I'd be taking advantage of Wheme floundering for as much town points as I can get-
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Issue with posts like this is that people have often expressed WhemeStar as an inexperienced scum or an inexperienced town. However, suddenly with this claim people don't even consider the possibility that they had no idea what to do and just claimed to prevent a miss lynch.In post 571, Fro99er wrote:offering to claim early as a protective is objectively bad town play. you want to stop a night kill if you are town, not draw the night kill. ESPECIALLY to have urgency to claim that on an odd day for an odd-night power. It's a bit more understandable if it were day 2 and he couldn't use it going into N2.
I think he'd know that as a town rolestopper.
Ergo, scum is the more likely possibility.
Could be wrong, but I'm starting to feel like the arguments on WhemeStar are way too one-sided.-
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I don't see this as something a scum player would do. They wouldn't hold back reasons because it would make them look worse, and so I feel he is either bluffing to protect a town-read of he genuinely has some evidence to support this claim.In post 637, Fro99er wrote:No
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Someone posting the bare minimum is always an issue for me.In post 652, PenguinPower wrote:
Yes. Because I'm actually taking a stance and providing my thoughts on slots, despite my low activity. He's not.In post 650, Fro99er wrote:are you going to chide Gerry for that while you lurk all game?
Which happened to be on my two expressed scum reads prior to - at least for Wheme - being started.In post 651, Fro99er wrote:Yo Penguin just hops on the big wagon every time too
You should probably read the rules.In post 651, Fro99er wrote:I also have this weird feelikng Penguin wasn't prodded because he was in his scum chat talking.-
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The level of shade throwing in this post is hilarious. Not to mention the fact that this slot has barely commented on anything as of late in the game and they feel the need to continue to fuel the fire on the leading train.In post 681, ChaosOmega wrote:
I know you've moved off of EC, but I still want to see this.In post 635, Fro99er wrote:
I have a reason and I've saved it to a draft so that I can reply later.In post 628, Aj The Epic wrote:I want Fro99er to tell me what about Lowell/Terata's vote switches made him comfortable following that. I know you townread Terata but Lowell looks like a freelancer willing to lynch anyone BUT Wheme at this point.
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Also, just a note that Wheme decided to say hi to a new player instead of responding to or even acknowledging my 641.-
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I agree with this statement for a few reasons.In post 690, Fro99er wrote:Lowell what are you even talking about? You think chaos has been bussing wheme all day, when I made a huge wall post about how I thought chaos was manipulating wheme.
No.
Just no. I think Chaos and Wheme are either both town, or one is town one is scum. There is ZERO chance both are scum.
1.) If they are both scum, this feels like the laziest bussing attempt that I have seen in a long time and would do nothing of the sort in regards to what the intention of bussing is.
2.) When Chaos is around, he interacts with Wheme the most which makes me believe that they aren't on the same team because they wouldn't need to discuss as much with the day chat that they'd have.
I am currently leaning against Wheme as town over Chaos honestly. Wheme has been targeted by several people in this game and I don't feel like they are even attacking people on their train or trying to shift it off of them.-
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Going to break for a bit. I don't like sheep right now, and I thbink that is where I would put my vote right now if I had to choose. Will be back later.
I need to look at Lowell and EC. Nothing stands out to me in either aspect so if people have a strong read on either, I would actually like to see it from someone else's perspective to see if I agree/disagree. Otherwise I'll look at them more intently later.-
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I'll get an avatar if you do something productive.In post 768, gerryoat wrote:get an avatar lol please-
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I'm not going to lie when I say that catching up is less desirable for me. I don't think I didn't read the game, but I will admit that at some points in my read through that it was easier to skim posts to save time.
I also didn't comment on most of the beginning part because it is usually slower. I am not going to skip on it entirely though, I just wanted to comment on late game more.
And I am quite dramatic at times, so bare with me.-
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Penguin actually bothers me because they basically post only to stay in the game from what I've seen. Obviously I haven't been able to look over everything though because catching up sucks.In post 771, Fro99er wrote:Actually I got townvibes on that catch up-
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I like you, so I don't think I'll be fighting it out with you. Not yet...In post 776, Fro99er wrote:
We will get alongIn post 775, Unknown1234 wrote:I am quite dramatic at times, so bare with me.
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Which reactions in particular?In post 791, gerryoat wrote:
ok. i think wheme is maf based on reactions. i think penguin might be a good vote tooIn post 774, Unknown1234 wrote:
I'll get an avatar if you do something productive.In post 768, gerryoat wrote:get an avatar lol please
Why is Penguin a good lynch?
Answer this an I'll get an avatar, because what you said isn't being productive it's saying something with nothing backing it up.-
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Because it makes no sense to advocate a Vig to shoot a possible PR.In post 825, Fro99er wrote:So why did you start hating him for it if you don't know what it does?-
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Lol.In post 871, Alisae wrote:Frogger I am excited ;~;
Frogger town = Free winz.
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Honestly, this to me is a weird post to start the game. It feels like they just wanted to rush into the game trying to look productive early on. Don't know many Town players that do this.In post 54, ChaosOmega wrote:VOTE: WhemeStar
Wheme, what are your thoughts on Sheep and the quick L-2 wagon on him?-
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It's weird that he did ask someone and then didn't say his own opinions at this point. I don't know why somebody would say "my thoughts are not very helpful" opposed to trying to do something. The idea of expecting other people to get more out of something then you can is rather odd for a Town to do IMO.In post 59, ChaosOmega wrote:
I don't think they'd be super helpful. At any rate, you can probably tell I'm not all about it since I didn't jump on the wagon.In post 55, Fro99er wrote:
Why not give your thoughts?In post 54, ChaosOmega wrote:VOTE: WhemeStar
Wheme, what are your thoughts on Sheep and the quick L-2 wagon on him?
So, frog is town for the push on Sheep. This would lead me to think that you think his reasoning is good/genuine/some other good words. If this is the case, why be suspicious of other people agreeing and why townread Sheep? If this is not the case, why townread frogger?In post 56, WhemeStar wrote:
I think their both town, froggy dude pushing him to get reactions out of others. And it worked, which makes me suspect Lil Uzi, Hawk, and Gerryoak.In post 54, ChaosOmega wrote:VOTE: WhemeStar
Wheme, what are your thoughts on Sheep and the quick L-2 wagon on him?
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Doing a Chaos read ATM. Will input later.In post 901, Alisae wrote:uh huh.
Yeah sure.
Gimmie your Lowell read.
Pedit: Why is that bad exactly?
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Are you trying to explain to me that you don't think buddying is bad from perspective? Given the first thing you did was address him and establish him as "Town and ez win" you basically get yourself in a position where if he is scum then he can easily manipulate you in his favour.
On the other hand, if you are scum then you are trying to get him on your side if you believe he is a strong Town player. Both make sense from my perspective.
If you're Town, being super friendly in a game of mafia doesn't work out well.-
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In post 901, Alisae wrote:uh huh.
Yeah sure.
Gimmie your Lowell read.
Pedit: Why is that bad exactly?
It feels way too forced of an entrance to the game. Scum are the ones who will want to look pro-Town so I would expect it more from scum opposed to Town who would be more loose in the game to start.In post 907, Alisae wrote:
What you said in 900 and 902.In post 906, Unknown1234 wrote:
Doing a Chaos read ATM. Will input later.In post 901, Alisae wrote:uh huh.
Yeah sure.
Gimmie your Lowell read.
Pedit: Why is that bad exactly?
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That was too much.In post 932, Fro99er wrote:
That's my town meta dorkIn post 931, WhemeStar wrote:Froggy used to be my main town read, but I'm not sure anymore. Don't like how he calls people out for being scum and then completely 180 and calls them town. Could just be an active scum-
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Oh, my bad. I forgot to add the word "slip" to every one of my lines because you mention it way too often.In post 1049, Alisae wrote:
Did you even read the case?In post 1048, Unknown1234 wrote:Her buddying was pretty shit and the fact that she wants to lynch someone claiming a PR by saying "it doesn't make you Town" seems desperate.
Your argument is attacking personality, not scumminess. Explain to me why "you're wrong" is scummy at all because I'm fairly confident that's how Gerry plays.-
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Don't attack the playstyle, because that's not what makes somebody scum. This player is being a complete moron if he's PR but it's been consistent in his personality all game. You can't pick out one part of his personality and label it as scummy but not the rest.In post 1051, Alisae wrote:You're literally attacking the weakest point?
Fine by me.
Saying "You're wrong" is scummy because he's not making the effort to try to rebut the case, just discredit it completely.
Also, you wouldn't say "Fine by me" because if I'm not understanding what you're saying or missing something, you would want to actually show me that I'm wrong instead of just pushing it aside.-
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Why do you just enter like you've been here the entire time and "try" to stop people from being "sidetracked". What are we being sidetracked from and what do you think we should be focusing on? This is a discussion about suspicions based on Alisae.In post 1052, Aj The Epic wrote:Can we stop getting sidetracked by stupid shit? My only experiences with Alisae is him looking lowkey like scum regardless.
Also, what do you mean by "low key scum"? Because to me that sounds like you think they're scum.-
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Your slot is so ignored and nobody draws any suspicion to it. The second half was what I've already mentioned and I don't have a ton of time ATM but will later.In post 1115, havingfitz wrote:
What are you talking about?In post 1104, Unknown1234 wrote:I'm down to vote Havingfitz if people want to.I feel they are way too forgotten and have expressed doubt before.-
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Why say something that you don't agree with but then do nothing about it? This is so wrong and it looks like last minute defending for a possible Town flip even though you don't even say WHY it's bad.In post 1118, havingfitz wrote:Why is Wheme the lead wagon. Does his claim not count for anything?-
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I definitely don't expect their lynch to happen, but I would prefer to get my thought she out incase I die so that people miss/ignore my thoughts.In post 1143, Fro99er wrote:
Oh waitIn post 1142, Fro99er wrote:
I thought Uzi was town, but I can reread that.In post 1138, Unknown1234 wrote:VOTE: havingfitz
This is mostly based on the slot before this one, but this guy has done nothing substantial that would make me change my mind.
Either way, it's not a viable lynch for today so get your vote off here.
you're Uzi's slot.
Naomi I thought was town too, but I could be convinced otherwise. BUt not with < 24 hours left. So point stands. Leave this for tomorrow.-
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Who is your second strongest scum-read as of right now?In post 1151, Alisae wrote:lol I must really scumread Garrybote then-
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