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hi.
MTD: I know you
Errantparabola: I know you
Road Kamelot: I heard you are an alt, would I know you?
Kane: alt, probably won't tell me who they are.
Rem: newbie
kraska77: I know you somewhat
Joshz: newbie
ssbm_Kyouko: newbie
XnadrojX: newbie
MariaR: active newbie
gerryoat: newbie
Gamma Emerald: newbie
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I'm a foreigner, I've got an excuse.
but otoh, I'm doing the most I can without a vote, just see!
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Because it's a lot easier to make the same post, than have an idea of your own, esspecially if you have to worry about how you look. Which is what scum worry about at the start of the game. Town are swimming.In post 20, MariaR wrote:Gamma's last post is the same type of post myko made and I see no problem with making that post I was tempted to do it myself so PLEASE tell me how that null post is a scummy post when in fact you prob made the most scummy post.
And Gamma rather likes that, having other people have ideas so he can follow them. Maria speaks out, he talks along, explains his actions (ie, defending), EP makes a move (town initiative, start of page 2, yay), Gamma only then dares to make a real vote (scummy, worried about how he looks, waits and sees where people go).
bingo, you are correct. My first post was a blank, it said nothing at all. Why in the world would anyone want to copy a blank post.In post 32, MariaR wrote:
It was the same post is it was 100% useless with no value in saying any of it.In post 31, MTD wrote:I did tell you why i do not think it was the same type of post, let alone "the same exact post".Youget it, because you analyse other peoples posts. Why doesn't Gamma and mindlessly goes with the flow?
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I won't because he's town.In post 27, Errantparabola wrote:everyone who's not voting mykonian:
why are you not voting mykonian?Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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sorry, force of habitIn post 36, XnadrojX wrote:Hold on are we out of RVS already in Page 2!?
Enjoy your game.
So Maria, we discussed why that post was the scummiest of page one up till that point. You disagreed, I posted my bit, lets keep this conversation going, because it is going places.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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Dislike this statement a lot, that's the second vote or post against me that I feel smells. Town don't feel guilty in any way, even if it's just a figure of speech.In post 42, Road Kamelot wrote:sorry youre scum
yes, everybody here is. It just means you can use more basic tells. Like following and passive play, which was what gamma was doing. More experienced players know to avoid it.In post 42, Road Kamelot wrote:And its ignorng what mykonian noted himself namely Gamma being relatively newSurrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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actually, given that after 2 pages RK has gamma's personality pegged and has an explanation for his actions, this smells like buddying. So with that, and on top of that the apology, I feel better here:In post 42, Road Kamelot wrote:For those who dont get it what mykonian is doing is spinning Gammas actions as scummy when its just Gamma seeing something he agrees with and going w it, which is a rly standard newb thing and not even a newb thing its a thing a certian kind of person just tends to do in mafia
And its ignorng what mykonian noted himself namely Gamma being relatively new
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Yeah, similarly?In post 54, MariaR wrote:It's random voting stage right? (Or at least it was at that point in time)
Would you sr me if I made a post going like: "Oh I know ___ ____ and ____ in this game aswell" Because I felt like doing it and just didn't I don't think Gamma was hardcore worrying about anything yet I don't know about others but I'd say I'm a bit relaxed early on and saying who I know is just idk a fun thing I felt like saying now I can't speak for gamma but that's what I thought he meant
Like I like that you analysed the posts, that that was the first consideration while reading the thread. I threw something which wasn't just a vote, someone copied, someone analysed the situation presented. I like the second more than the first, by quite a margin and intention is important when it comes to reading posts in a slow environment like forum mafia, imo. At that point we are out of the RVS and gamma looks scummy from that limited information, while you look townie, and EP on the next page as well.
Obviously that's less information than you have on page 15 or so when you might consider moving towards a lynch, but you know, for a start I was pretty pleased with 3 half decent reads.
Rem looks alright on this page. Small reservation, but we'll see where that goes. Gamma's 53 is cute <3Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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oh yes.In post 65, MariaR wrote:Buckle up kiddes it's gonna be one of THOSE gamesSurrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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That'd be damning, but sleepy as I am I seem to have missed it. Could you point it out for me?In post 76, MTD wrote:Ok my biggest problem with that post is that heimpliesgamma to be town.
And then says everyone is null.
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hmm, post 69 in question, I think I get where MTD is coming from and usually I have kind of a hair trigger on such cases, but here I'm not so sure. Good that MTD is looking for it though, I like that. Don't want to follow.In post 69, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
If someone is town and they get called scummy for a NAI post I feel like it's in bad form to just jump on a wagon forming against the player that called you out. It looks defensive to me. It's natural to be defensive though so maybe he's just behaving normally.In post 43, Road Kamelot wrote:Lol are u bein srs because jumping on a small wagon on someone who called an innocent post of yours scummy is exactly what town should do on page fuckin 2
That being said, it's my understanding that wagons need to form to get people talking and it can only be a good thing that they're getting going. Everyone seems null stillSurrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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no mate, your vote is bad and you should feel bad about it. Go play this game with us, don't just vote a lurker, discuss what's going on.In post 109, Joshz wrote:Can we get some more votes on gerryoak to pressure please he hasn't posted
Correct. Well, in a way. I think Kamelot is more likely to be scum than you, and the argument for it implies you to be town, the interaction that makes her scummy makes no sense if you are scum as well (from a player of her stature). I'm happy to be proven wrong, but as of now I'm assuming you are town and Kamelot is scum, because of her overeager and very understanding defense of you (while a town would be at least somewhat worried about defending a scum by accident, have some reserve).In post 122, Gamma Emerald wrote:
First sign of myko townreading meIn post 46, mykonian wrote:
actually, given that after 2 pages RK has gamma's personality pegged and has an explanation for his actions, this smells like buddying. So with that, and on top of that the apology, I feel better here:In post 42, Road Kamelot wrote:For those who dont get it what mykonian is doing is spinning Gammas actions as scummy when its just Gamma seeing something he agrees with and going w it, which is a rly standard newb thing and not even a newb thing its a thing a certian kind of person just tends to do in mafia
And its ignorng what mykonian noted himself namely Gamma being relatively new
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As strong as it could be on that page, nothing really added after, but then I didn't see much else that was surprising.In post 181, Errantparabola wrote:- how strong was your kamelot read as of page 2/3?
- this read stays throughout the entirety of the game up to the present. Anything that adds to the strength of that read from bottom of page 2?
It's a response to the previous post, following up to what I previously said to gamma.- Is this just a restatement of Rem's 57 or are you trying to say something different here?Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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rather uncomfortable with the ease people seem to ignore Josh with. He votes lurkers, then states he's not going to do anything to see where the game goes. Somewhere, even if both seperately don't look like scumtells to you, the hipocrisy should tip people off.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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1. I posted about already, someone else also asked a clarification of the vote, must be a page and a bit later. In short, buddying as a choice of tell is in my estimation of RK as a player, how experienced she is, etc. It makes sense from someone like her to jump in the breach for an attacked player slightly too eagerly.In post 236, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:Mykonian
Could you answer 52? It bugged me too.
What's your Kyouko read?
I think I know the site where Josh plays, and what you called hypocrisy (the way he "fencesits", waiting to see what other people do but then calling out lurkers, etc.) is really typical behavior there. Does this impact your read on him?
2. Null, must admit, this being a newbie game kind of messes with me. You get all sorts. I've been way more lenient with Gamma for example than I would be with most people I'd play with. He's ehm, what do you call it in English. Dutch would be "aangeschoten wild". He got beaten up a bit at the start, that might have flustered him a bit, the wolves are looking at him and he's stumbling from one situation to the next. Even if RK ends up flipping scum, there's no way that that won't cling to him somehow, pack mentality is really sad in that way, he's shown a weakness this game.
3. Well I'm not voting him for a reason. Again, you get all sorts. I am rather annoyed by it though. You join, you play the game. We used to have a player who did the same and it's rather frustrating to play with.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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Because he did literally what I did.In post 246, Transcend wrote:In post 16, mykonian wrote:who wants to talk to me about how gamma's last post was the scummiest in the thread so far?
QUOI??????????
How was that scummy when he literally did what you did?
Like this is the third person that comes up with this argument, and I don't understand all of you. There's a difference between initiative and going along with what other people do. It's my main reason why I think EP is town, he does take initiative. It boggles my mind that you look at posts in isolation, see that they are similar, and decide they must have the same scummyness to them, even though the circumstances clearly change (one time there was not a post like that yet, the next time there was).Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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with 16 posts in, yes.In post 272, Transcend wrote:Him doing what you did is 100% NAI it could come from either alignment and the fact that you dismissed it as a scumtell looks really shitty. And not just a scumtell, but the scummiest post in the game?????
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Surely this has a reason that actually connects copycat to scummyness, right?
we are really past the point of joke votes.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 286, MTD wrote:Also myko plays sensibly so far, which tells me nothing.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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Alright this is hard to reply to, please don't format like this again if you want responses.
I am not like you. Gamma is also not the person I'd need to get a feel for, it's kamelot in this case, they are the active personality.In post 311, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:I thought her points were valid though and didn't feel out of place (i.e., buddying). If you're like me and skim most ongoing games, you can pretty easily get a good impression of what kind of player Gamma is like. also if her goal were buddying i'd think her read on gamma wouldn't develop as it did.
I have had a couple of proper newbie games as IC actually, the longwinded lie tell tends to come in a little later as people get a bit more confidence in playing scum, or if they are under attack somehow, that can push people into overexplaining. Here, I don't really get that feel. I get where you come from, but what's the cool term nowadays? NAI? It feels playstyle based rather than allignment, but we can see how that develops. Currently doesn't ring any alarms for me.OK, then let's try to develop a read on him... What did you think about his vote on 38? And my value call that his posts are "long winded and don't really say much in the end?" because i would think that someone looking for newbie scumtells like you said you were would call that out.
Eh, if you know he's a bit lynchbaity, you adjust the calibration, imo. You somehow have to discern town lynchbait from scum lynchbait. As for the association, right now, you could see it in there, it's a judgement call if you feel RK is a bit too far on Gamma's side and lets go of some suspicion that they might be scum after all altogether. However, if there's a flip, that crystallizes it, at that point, yes, I think it's rather obvious. That is not a scum-scum interaction from a solid, but newer player on MS. RK doesn't strike me as a particulary gambitty player, hence solid.i mean i agree that gamma has shown himself as a lynchbaity and awkward player but that's just who he is regardless of alignment. don't really see why that's a reason to be lenient. don't get the bit about RK, are you saying that you think RK/gamma associatives are obvious?
I've kicked up my share of dust, didn't change his engagement. Calling him out only made him stubborn. For me, if I were scum, I'd love to get away with the position he currently is in, and he's getting away with it. So it's not just frustration, it's also that if he's scum, I want him out in the open.I think Joshz has done an OK job at playing this game and presenting opinions so I don't really know if I can agree with this. If you're worried about a lack of engagement though, why not ask questions or get reads from him? From what I remember you pretty much went straight to calling him out rather than asking him questions, which looks to me more like looking for a scapegoat than frustration over a playstyle.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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3 evenings of sitechat and your posts in this game.In post 341, Road Kamelot wrote:You know im an alt and thats it, where are you even getting the stance to say "someone like her"Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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not very, he avoids the game, generally. But he's been around.In post 348, Joshz wrote:Someone answer this before I post more: how experienced is MTD?Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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Gosh, can't you say it straight, does it have to be sarcasm?In post 350, Road Kamelot wrote:So youve learned my mafia behaviour from sitechat. Fascinating
OH and youve realized im the type of player who would jump in to buddy a wagoned townie bc in this game you came to the conclusion that i was jumping in to buddy a wagoned townie
Circular logic bro
No, you jumped to defend someone. I get to try to read you why you did that with the intensity you did it with. And I think you are scum for it, while gamma comes out as town. I am not quite sure how you try to twist that logic into a circle, but it looks ugly.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 350, Road Kamelot wrote:Hm
So youve learned my mafia behaviour from sitechat. Fascinating
OH and youve realized im the type of player who would jump in to buddy a wagoned townie bc in this game you came to the conclusion that i was jumping in to buddy a wagoned townie
Circular logic bro
I mean, I get that my words aren't connecting, you aren't the first and won't be the last who feel that I'm faking an argument, in or outside mafia. So I wonder how I'm going to make you understand that this post feels incredibly wrong.
It starts with the sarcasm in the first sentence. Sarcasm in argumentation is nearly always a sign that the user checked out of the conversation. Be that because of frustration or because there's not actually an argument. It's a sign of saying something where they don't want to say anything constructive. Road isn't frustrated here, but can't continue the argumentation that I don't know her well enough to read buddying into a post of hers.
The second part, beyond what it actually says, follows up similarly. Bro again could signify frustration, but that's really not going on. It's depreciatory, where part of the zing of her defense has to come from attacking person making the argument against her (me). It's not ad hom, but has the same flavour. She feels that a defense has to be either retaliatory or that her defense requires the attacker to look weaker. Given that her wagon isn't going anywhere, I'd say she posted it with a motive.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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Kraska I remember as being much more involved in the game I modded with her. You (transcend) have come into this game reading the first 2 pages, then making it all about me and how you want to vote me, then skimmed the next 12 and are set on lynching, doesn't look town. Josh I still haven't seen anything from and he's getting a free pass, null leaning scum. Same for gerry but he's simply not here, less intimidating. Maria would be my blind spot scum, she got off to a good start sounding reasonable, and hasn't really been challenged along the way, they tend to trip me up. Same goes for MTD, but less pronounced. Doesn't help that I like him. I think I have gamma pegged, EP looked towniest, the rest takes time.In post 372, Transcend wrote:ho's scum with Road Kamelot?
Surely you have other scumreads besides her... tell me what you're thinking.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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multiball, otherwise I haven't seen it. And 2-2-9's aren't that popular, SK's have seen a sharp decline. Either way you'll get a sign, if there are multiple kills n1 you can think about it again.In post 374, Gamma Emerald wrote:4 scum can happen with 13 playersSurrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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yeah? They don't have particular posts they relate to, so I can't center an argumentation and discussion around a particular post and I don't want to lynch people right now, so I don't throw it in the thread. And first half of day one is too soon to post lists of reads.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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They are the easiest way for scum to pretend they are doing some reading. Just post a list, sounds impressive, you only have to post half a sentence as a reason, and everybody is happy with you. The reads don't matter shit, it's the argumentation, the motive, the timing. Anybody can make up reads from thin air, esspecially if they are trying to allign those reads with what popular opinion says. End of the day I'll want to know your reads, halfway? Couldn't care less.
Which for the record should tip you off that gamma is town. He's very much going with the flow, but gets called out on a maria suspicion (very not done, and scum could happily easily avoid that). Hence, likely he's actually showing some town initiative.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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yeah, that was not worth the wait.In post 399, MariaR wrote:VOTE: josh What the fk did I just read
So transcend, do I need to rehash why I am not a fan of reads lists early in the game because they are scummy?
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nah. Day 3 we'll have a look at maria. This is shit.In post 402, Transcend wrote:Joshz:
How do you read for scum?
PEDIT: MariaR scumming it up more and more, page by page.
There's been some awful votes this game, but that vote on Josh was just inexcusable.
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over your dead body?In post 418, Transcend wrote:Joshz is town and I'm gonna defend his lifeSurrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 376, Transcend wrote:
You're right.In post 373, MariaR wrote:Reason I'm not talking much is I feel like shit today and everything I read goes out the other ear but that's not really a good excuse.
It isn't.
Rest of your game looks bleh as well.
Like it's not scummy, but it's objectively not towny?In post 383, Transcend wrote:
can agree with you about MariaR.In post 377, mykonian wrote:
Kraska I remember as being much more involved in the game I modded with her. You (transcend) have come into this game reading the first 2 pages, then making it all about me and how you want to vote me, then skimmed the next 12 and are set on lynching, doesn't look town. Josh I still haven't seen anything from and he's getting a free pass, null leaning scum. Same for gerry but he's simply not here, less intimidating. Maria would be my blind spot scum, she got off to a good start sounding reasonable, and hasn't really been challenged along the way, they tend to trip me up. Same goes for MTD, but less pronounced. Doesn't help that I like him. I think I have gamma pegged, EP looked towniest, the rest takes time.In post 372, Transcend wrote:ho's scum with Road Kamelot?
Surely you have other scumreads besides her... tell me what you're thinking.
so you have all these scumreads or at least "non-townreads" and it took me questioning your motives to out all of these???In post 402, Transcend wrote:Joshz:
How do you read for scum?
PEDIT: MariaR scumming it up more and more, page by page.
There's been some awful votes this game, but that vote on Josh was just inexcusable.
VOTE: MariaRHell no. You were leading up to that Maria vote, this wasn't a spur of the moment "wtf are you doing" thing. And that vote didnt pan out somehow, because this backtracking is something.
vote Transcend
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doubt there's scum in myko/gamma, you should look further.In post 458, MariaR wrote:k now that my point has gotten across back on this
VOTE: Gamma
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I mean, look at my wagon. 2 of the people on there responded to me attacking them by voting (RK and Josh), the 3rd replaced in and went on a crusade which I wasn't sure about (and just backtracked from a horrible maria vote), and that leaves SSBM who apparently nobody really likes though I'm not that bothered. How in the world does that look like a good wagon to any of you. Stop and think for a moment?Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 194, Joshz wrote:This is a beginner game. Beginning scum do basic things, such as target the towniest player which is errantphobia right now, either throwing docs and bgs off or just ignoring them. So, before I made this post, there was a decent (read: definitely not guaranteed) shot thst ep was going to be killed tonight depending on how the rest of day 1 goes, assuming he isn't scum himself. By me saying this post it doesn't even matter if docs and bgs are on ep, scum will be wary to kill him due to thinking I might consider him scum if he lives, and it at the least gave them something to think about it. At this point in my post if you're still reading you probably think I'm an idiot and that's OK, because in the next 11+ days the "towniest" person will change and this will be irrelevant. Unless it's not? Or maybe it is. Maybe I'm just shit. Or maybe I'll do this to make mykonian give me more bullshit for targeting the people who are going after me or whatever you call it here: unvote VOTE: mykonian
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I know, it's just coincidental. I'm sure you have your reasons!In post 461, Joshz wrote:Maria's vote on me was more horrible than transcends vote on her, and id like to add she went to a personal level to get him to lift his vote. And I'm voting you because I scum read you strongest, not because your vote was on me.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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I've gone with gamma town from the moment I voted RK, and even yesterday I've given you a good reason why he is likely town given the mindset he showed earlier (and how his later actions do not make sense had he been scum).In post 464, Joshz wrote:And your complete lack of reactive devaluation doesn't make any sense when you scum read gamma, even though now you're backtracking and telling Maria that gamma isn't scum?
You could actually read what I post.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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crazy idea here, but hear me outIn post 469, MariaR wrote:Transcend I'm feeling better if you need to vote me again by all means
you could vote him!Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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I'd sort of like to continue on that topic. The post where he switches back his vote, doesn't that smell to you? Like without the previous posts even, because it sounded my alarms (which is why I reread his stance on you).In post 475, MariaR wrote:
There are 4 people I'd vote before Transcend but I can't do that right now good sir wanna have another chat?In post 472, mykonian wrote:
crazy idea here, but hear me outIn post 469, MariaR wrote:Transcend I'm feeling better if you need to vote me again by all means
you could vote him!Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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There's a difference between him and Gamma though. Gamma stumbles into things, and is suddenly very careless where he was careful at the start of the game. So a bit of hesitation then going for it, with this noobness showing. Who cares, he looks like newbie town, and we'll see where we go from there.In post 480, Transcend wrote:i will not tolerate such an obv noob town
Josh however, from the start till now, keeps his cards close to his chest and is borderline obstructionist in his argumentation, pulling back that you can't make him anything because he believes things (why is anybody's guess), if he even gets that far. He much less has an air around him or not knowing what to do or what to avoid (like gamma), but more so the intent to not give himself in stead. Gives me the impression at least that he very well knows what he's doing himself, where that self conciousness is rather missing with Gamma.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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oh, I can endorse this game actually.In post 500, kraska77 wrote:giga i just realised gif's game is hitting sign ups rn
u wanna join that?Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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Don't have any thoughts, can't remember a post of his. I'll have a look.In post 533, Errantparabola wrote:myko i'm curious as to your thoughts on nadroj
and in regards to whether or not i'm going to let transcend get away with backtracking, the answer is yes
where's the scum motive here-- what warrants a vote?
That he has to place votes and come up with new ideas now and then as scum. And some of them are going to be shit because he's just pretending to be town. That was one of them, and he tried to cut his losses, in my opinion, in a scummy way. He build up towards a vote, pushing some suspicion there, then rapidly left saying it was just as a response to a particular vote of Maria's, evidentaly not the case.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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Probably should expand on the second bit. I wasn't a fan of the questionaire at that point. The game exited RVS end page 1 start page 2 already, and at that point the game was really rolling. A questionaire just slows down the game for no reason. Up till that point Jordan had poked a bit in the game but not really made an effort: sure, it's the start of the game, people fool around a bit. However, second time he comes to play, after quite a long gap, first thing he does is answer the questionaire, and I can be less bothered about the answers (though they certainly weren't remarkable enough to warrant going for the questionaire first), then follows up with "doing something" which is:
Which is as noncommittal as you can get, choice of vote and reason.
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DW, they are.In post 567, kraska77 wrote:mykonian-calling half the playerlist scum and changing votes every 2 pages...I have trouble believing his reads are even remotely genuine.
Can you imagine my frustration that past page 2, there's been 3 real contenders for the lynch, the rest is discarded? You people seem to be playing an entirely different game now and then. And really, at this moment I'd put my money on all three being town as well.
It was also the first time MTD came up negatively in the last page, I think. I think he's clever enough to fool me, but so far I haven't seen anything I didn't expect from him this game.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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yeah, I see.In post 556, XnadrojX wrote:VOTE: MTD
Briefly skimming thru the thread, this is the person I feel most comfortable onSurrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.