Mini Normal 1850 | The Penguin Mafia | Endgame

[PenguinPower]

Vote Count 1.08

Whilst at sea, adult macaroni penguins are predated upon by leopard seals and Antarctic fur seals. That's what the media would have you believe.

mykonian

(4): Road Kamelot, Joshz, gigabyteTroubadour, Transcend

Road Kamelot

(3): mykonian, ssbm_Kyouko, Gamma Emerald

ssbm_Kyouko

(2): kraska77, MTD

Gamma Emerald

(1): Errantparabola

gerryoat

(1): XnadrojX

Transcend

(1): MariaR

Not Voting

: gerryoat

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-11-22 17:06:00)

[MTD]

giga, i would like to know why you seek personal interactions with those you already have reads on but not with gamma, me and gerry.

[MTD]

Also i am afraid i will have to find someone whose read on transcend i can copy.
His playstyle so far annoys me greatly and i dont think i can be objective enough with that.

I mostly agree with myko on josh, although i think most of his current way of playing does come from other places' meta.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay guys... I'm done reading the game whewwwwww *wipes sweat off of brow* okay honestly I wanna share a few thoughts I have. Also I have a few questions for some of you that I want answered thoroughly. Okay here goes.

Maria, RK, josh, kraska, nadr, and EP are all fine members of this town in various degrees. order i listed them is pretty much my confidence in them (though at kraska and below it's basically just *~vibes~*)

not really sure if I want kyouko or mykonian dead more. kyouko's posts all feel needlessly long and don't really say much in the end. feels like newbscum IIaO to me. myko's interactions with maria and josh and lack of any interaction with kyouko are all really bugging me. plus his approach to reading people this game is kinda ick (like the color of his name) and feels disingenuous.

VOTE: Mykonian

waffling on MTD and gamma, and gerry is useless as always. think that's everyone. would expand on any of these if needed but fuck doing that unprompted yknow

kinda sad that there's no one in this game i want to be sassy about... i just compiled a pretty big folder of reaction gifs/pics that i gotta use

i need personal engagement to do shit though so let's do some of that

---

Kyokou

• What did you find "thoughtful" about Mykonian's 12?
  
• wrt to 98, you should always want to lynch the person you're most suspicious of, especially D1. that's how u get shit done. caring about wagon composition/what the people you're voting with are doing is a little too big-picture thinking for early game to me at least.
  
• wrt to 100, I agree with your philosophy on D1 wagons, but with the information that was available at the time of your vote there was information to make a more informed vote imo. What are your reads on Gamma and Mykonian?

Mykonian

• Could you answer 52? It bugged me too.
  
• What's your Kyouko read?
  
• I think I know the site where Josh plays, and what you called hypocrisy (the way he "fencesits", waiting to see what other people do but then calling out lurkers, etc.) is really typical behavior there. Does this impact your read on him?

Joshz

• you're from PS! right?? wanna make sure i didn't get that wrong lmfao, i think you said something about circus but i'm under the assumption that PS! = circus = smogon so idk (i haven't been active in that community in years and someone told me that there was a forum mafia community there that i wasn't aware of so)
  
• wrt to 163, we typically try to genuinely lynch someone right off the bat because that's how you, again, get shit done. i'm assuming you do scumread mykonian, yeah? could you talk to me a little bit more about your read on him either way?

Kraskanumbers

• Could you elaborate on your Gamma and MTD reads?
  
• Sheep me on Mykonian?

Road Kamelot

• What felt obvtown about Kyouko's interactions with you? like i kind of get what you said but i might need to go more in-depth because i'm still scumreading him.
  
• Could you talk about your Gamma read?

Xnadr

Can you give me like 2 townreads? They don't have to be good, just like there. I think you're town but I need a coherent thought process from you.

DID THIS BITCH
JUST C/P GIGA'S POST

[mykonian]

he did

[gigabyteTroubadour]

giga, i would like to know why you seek personal interactions with those you already have reads on but not with gamma, me and gerry.

wanted to work on solidifying my reads first before working on my nulls since i don't put much faith in what i get from just reading. also gerry can't be read via direct interaction imo

writing that out i guess that's kind of a weird way to prioritize but that's how i work

plus i want to hear what kraska likes about you before i decide what i want to focus on you i guess

responding to myko and ssbm in a sec

also MTD transcend so far seems like a fine member of this town (fmott). personally i'm developing a few tells on him and he's not hitting them so far, plus his page 1 reads are good enough for me.

[MTD]

VOTE: Transcend
Scum claim part 2
got 2 mafia in gerry transcend this game is easy

Why is gerry scum in your eyes?
Why do you still want to vote transcend over gerry right now?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Transcend
Copycat Transcend is scum Transcend

[mykonian]

Gerry I'm mostly wondering about why he joined this game. The most I get out of his posts is that he does not want to be here.

[Transcend]

I'm with EP here.
VOTE: mykonian
TFW someone scumslips Page 1.

Hey Gamma Hi How's it going Buddy

Why did it take EP voting mykonian for u to vote mykonian?????!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??????

If you thought he slipped....!!!

Gamma's last post is the same type of post myko made and I see no problem with making that post I was tempted to do it myself so PLEASE tell me how that null post is a scummy post when in fact you prob made the most scummy post.

Because it's a lot easier to make the same post, than have an idea of your own, esspecially if you have to worry about how you look. Which is what scum worry about at the start of the game. Town are swimming.

I'm with EP here.
VOTE: mykonian
TFW someone scumslips Page 1.

And Gamma rather likes that, having other people have ideas so he can follow them. Maria speaks out, he talks along, explains his actions (ie, defending), EP makes a move (town initiative, start of page 2, yay), Gamma only then dares to make a real vote (scummy, worried about how he looks, waits and sees where people go).

I did tell you why i do not think it was the same type of post, let alone "the same exact post".

It was the same post is it was 100% useless with no value in saying any of it.

bingo, you are correct. My first post was a blank, it said nothing at all. Why in the world would anyone want to copy a blank post.

You

get it, because you analyse other peoples posts. Why doesn't Gamma and mindlessly goes with the flow?

vote Gamma

This was a really bad vote as well, and it was awkwardly timed.

Yay a game which I get to look at before it goes out of RVS.....

Hold on are we out of RVS already in Page 2!?

Dammit.

Spoiler:

4^th Game here, I hope I have a fun time with you all

And I'll look at people more closely later.

Gun to head this is town.

First off: I do not think knowing who already knows who, and more specifically, who has already played with who, is entirely useless info.
That said, the way gamma jumped on that wagon was ridiculous.

VOTE: gamma

This is a pretty good vote. MTD in the townpile for now.

Hey the Gamma wagon sucks
VOTE: mykonian
Nah i dont know you bud but nice to meetcha, sorry youre scum

For those who dont get it what mykonian is doing is spinning Gammas actions as scummy when its just Gamma seeing something he agrees with and going w it, which is a rly standard newb thing and not even a newb thing its a thing a certian kind of person just tends to do in mafia
And its ignorng what mykonian noted himself namely Gamma being relatively new
Calling the post where he says who he knows bc mykonian did it scum is LOL

Ye this is also town.

For those who dont get it what mykonian is doing is spinning Gammas actions as scummy when its just Gamma seeing something he agrees with and going w it, which is a rly standard newb thing and not even a newb thing its a thing a certian kind of person just tends to do in mafia
And its ignorng what mykonian noted himself namely Gamma being relatively new

actually, given that after 2 pages RK has gamma's personality pegged and has an explanation for his actions, this smells like buddying. So with that, and on top of that the apology, I feel better here:

vote Kamelot

OH MAN WAS THIS VOTE BAD OR WHAT!!!!!!!!

Thought about trying to box myko in a bit more but theres no need, hes one of the townier people in the game rn
VOTE: kamelot

Sheep myko for great justice?

EP NOOOOO

okay hi okay hi okay.....

No longer feel gut!town on Gamma, I actually literally already see how people think that myko/Gamma might be distancing. Myko evaded the Gamma lynch really fast to

horribly

place a vote on Road.

SO HERE BE DA REAADSZZZZ

{Errantparabola, Road Kamelot}
{kraska77, MariaR, MTD, XnadrojX}
{ssbidontremembertherestofhisusername}
{The other fuckers that I forgot}
{Gamma Emerald}
{mykonian}

[mykonian]

VOTE: Transcend
Copycat Transcend is scum Transcend

Surely this has a reason that actually connects copycat to scummyness, right?

we are really past the point of joke votes.

[MTD]

And sorry giga, i'm afraid you are not one who i want to put trust in at this point.

Also myko plays sensibly so far, which tells me nothing.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Transcend
Copycat Transcend is scum Transcend

Surely this has a reason that actually connects copycat to scummyness, right?

we are really past the point of joke votes.

That's the reason
fite me m8

[mykonian]

Also myko plays sensibly so far, which tells me nothing.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Transcend: I didn't vote until I had actually put the thought into the events that transpired, determining it as a scumslip

[Joshz]

y-you forgot me? b-but I thought we were buddies D:

[Transcend]

Gamma has no idea how to read me, but he might be scum so it's irrelevant.

Hey guys... thoughts on my page 2 reads???????

PEDIT: I don't see how it's a scumslip??? Just really scummy, maybe, but a scumslip is a bit too much to say?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm josh on ps and smogon and yea smogon mafia is in circus, it's what they call the social games portion (other games are played though most are mafia).

Anyways, mykonian has always felt off to me. Call it confirmation bias but I looked at their iso and it's really... not good. Their interactions with gamma seem potentially SvS, they really aren't selling me, or TvS at the least. Really not getting a TvT vibe. His posts on me are also very weak, and his first post is a great example of long posts w.o content ;^) and most of his posts are just re: gamma or re: me

ps means pokemon showdown right?
I play there too
occassionally

[MTD]

@Transcend: I didn't vote until I had actually put the thought into the events that transpired, determining it as a scumslip

Do you still think it was one?
If yes, why did you stop following up on that so quickly?
If no, what changed your mind?

[Transcend]

y-you forgot me? b-but I thought we were buddies D:

That reads list was based off of page 2. U hadn't even posted yet. I don't think.

[Joshz]

Yea PS = pokemon showdown

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma has no idea how to read me, but he might be scum so it's irrelevant.

Hey guys... thoughts on my page 2 reads???????

PEDIT: I don't see how it's a scumslip??? Just really scummy, maybe, but a scumslip is a bit too much to say?

I may have gone a bit far by describing as that on Page 10
It was scummy, I said scumslip to be a smartass

[mykonian]

Transcend is coming into here with a Mission. Last catchup had 2 townreads and the rest was related to me being scum. Not a fan, in both ways you can read that.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Transcend: I didn't vote until I had actually put the thought into the events that transpired, determining it as a scumslip

Do you still think it was one?
If yes, why did you stop following up on that so quickly?
If no, what changed your mind?

I'm mildly scumreading myko still
Look up for more

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Yeah
I'm going to expand on my experience with XnadrojX
We played a chat game where I pushed his mislynch as town
Now he is mad at me

I didn't even notice this earlier. Town doesn't just accuse a slot of being mad at them for something that happened in a separate game, especially when nadroj hasn't even done anything to him this game.
I also don't like this vague talk about "plans" from Gamma. That combined with his sudden off-topic questions looks like a smokescreen to me, to cover up why he was dismissing earlier, and why he continues now. Now leaning scum on him for this.
VOTE: Gamma

Gerry dismissed too but he isn't hiding from anything with it. I don't like the way he handled them, but weak pokes don't deserve strong responses. Watching for some real posts from him.

Everything above was my draft as of last night before going to bed. We've got chatter now, still nothing from Gerry though. I can't tell where town is yet. Lots of players acting like town, but scum acta like town. If I had to put my finger on one tr though it'd be EP. Mykonian is the only one I noticed comment on my 69 and then not go after me for it. I think scum tries to start that wagon up, so I'm not leaning scum on him right now.