Mini Normal 1850 | The Penguin Mafia | Endgame

[mykonian]

Good.

Stay.

U will get a doggie treat if u behave.

I get those when I ban people as well! Myko likes doggie treats!

[Joshz]

Vote Count 1.26 - FINAL

ssbm_Kyouko

(7): gigabyteTroubadour, MTD, Transcend, mykonian, Gamma Emerald, kraska77, Joshz

(LYNCH)

Gamma Emerald

(5): gerryoat, ssbm_Kyouko, Road Kamelot, MariaR

gigabyteTroubadour

(1): Errantparabola

Transcend

(1): XnadrojX

Not Voting

:

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-11-22 17:06:00)

And EP got away voting someone irrelevant getting no blood on his hands... just because he had a few good posts doesn't give him a bye. The only other person who didn't join a wagon is jordan.

[mykonian]

yeah, there's too many scum, I agree.

Like, EP had those posts with capitalized/bolded the names of people who he would then ask questions, right?

None to Maria.

Then again, RK's vote on gamma after ssbm's claim was shit, today she's been scum, her response to gamma/me early game was intense, all together, I'm happy here. Jordan I'd be happy with as well, I guess.

[Joshz]

I have no time to do typical wall formatting right now, so I apologize for the disorganization

Not enough content and he comes off too townie. I can't really explain why but my gut is telling me to lynch.

Does anyone have a reaction gif so that I can properly show how functionally incorrect I think this is?
Also: I'd like to retract what I said about the scumread confidence thing, I don't think that's valid hunting business anymore.

only child, eh?

if the category still existed (and you played more) I'd nom you for most enjoyable player

And all votes on Maria have been anecdotal fallacies

I'm noting this: you seem to be viewing maria votes in a different light than your non maria votes although imo they're pretty equivalent. that's all

Oh dear, how so? You're saying it's opportunistic in which way? Let me explain to you in a way that not only will you know that you're wrong, everyone will know you haven't been reading the game for coming to this conclusion.

You imply that my vote is opportunistic. Which means I'm taking advantage of the fact that others are voting you, correct? Now, if we use this logic, there are only 2 other people that are voting you. One being Maria and the other being Josh. Since you decided to post this now, it means I'm taking advantage of Josh voting you. As you can see from this post, I voted you way before he did.

At first, I thought this was a terrible response (although the push was also bad)
But it makes a lot of sense in context and I'm thinking gerry is town

Jordan is just lynchbait. That's independent from his scumminess.

I'm actually starting to come around to this theory (and josh's post before)
in an ideal world, we'd ruthlessly lynch the lynchbait until they stopped being lynchbait and help them become better outside of games to create a sitewide environment of better players, but that's just a faraway dream
i'd still love a jordan lynch but its not something i think i'll push for.

GIGA: your reads lacking any sort of substantive basis shows me one of two things
1) You're minimizing direct interaction with people
2) There is little excuse for them being overall bad

there is no legitimate transition onto the kyouko vote (which I also think is a bad vote)!
in fact, last mention of it was a null read and your only justification for that switch is a hamfisted attempt at saying that myko and gamma, your top scumreads from earlier, are now unvotable

and why do my catchups give me lynch immunity..........??

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
VOTE: giga

I would be okay with a compromise on most of the names on the table if it came down to desperate deadline shenanigans (actually at that point I'd lynch literally anyone above no lynch)
and yes, I will be here. I had a rough patch in life for a few days there.

Okay
This is incredibly juicy. Who is spreading this deadline paranoia and managing to swing a fast wagon on kyouko here because it's awful and everything about it smells

Before I hammer let's see what if anyrhing ep and RK have to say. I'd say jordan too but let's be real here.

yeah
here's what I have to say
dont do it dude
your vote is golden where it is

it's deadline and wagons tend to grow quick at that point

how
is
it
deadline
we have LIKE 30 PERCENT OF THE DAY LEFT
WHAT!

I do like this post a lot. The thing is, he has 18 posts itt... I think that's else than jordan (in quantity).

[Transcend]

Errant is probably town but i want more from him.

[mykonian]

well the issue with EP scum is mostly that his pairs with Road or Jordan require me to jump through some hoops, they don't feel like scum/scum. MTD/EP makes sense to some extent, but I kind of had MTD on the townier side. EP/Josh don't work either. Don't care about the other pairs because they are town from reads/maria interactions.

[Transcend]

Imo just flip road and I'll decide the best vig shot for the night.

U n i r both in heavy agreement that she cannot be town. For different reasons as well. Any dirt we can get on her is good. My friend, we have a motherfucking sandbox.

[Transcend]

Question time! Answers are in the spoilers. NO GOOGLING.

Question #1:
Which 2 words rhyme with "silver"?

Spoiler:

As a matter of fact, no words rhyme with silver.

Question #2:
Who will be Mini 1850's D2 lynch?

Spoiler:

Road Kamelot. Road Kamelot will be the D2 lynch.

[Errantparabola]

hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi

[Joshz]

You forgot Pilver btw transcend

[Errantparabola]

formatting out the window because i'm busy

josh (and everyone else)
do not
role speculate
please
thanks pal

i dont want to vote road kamelotta chocolatta today
actually i'm strongly against a road kamelot lynch.

like i'll freely admit that she was my stronger townreads at one point but like when kraska wrote up that case on her i legit when back and realized i gave her towncred too easily and then switched her place in my reads with kraska... i was willing to flashwagon her at deadline too and i thought i mentioned that but i guess i didn't??

my first thought is manufactured transparency and thought process. could be tonal clash but we'll see
i will say that the rest of that post is a good block of stuff. there is nothing wrong with this. dare i say to the point of read-questioning

{Rk, MTD, jordan}

everyone else is basically conftown

is this your post reread or pre reread conclusion, gigabyte troubadour?

when I hear the name MTD I fail to bring up any game relevant thought in my mind (i'm assuming sexiness and charming personality are not game relevant) and that's not town in a vacuum state. I'll ISO that guy and come back to you.

@mykonian--
my knee jerk response to that would be that maria didn't make me feel things either way at all (see: MTD)
I read maria's ISO and still felt that. Maria was a "high profile player" in that her ISO was long, but she was a low profile player in that her interactions lacked punches or anything to latch on to.
I'm curious to see where that leaves MTD (the player most similar to maria in terms of my impression of him) and to a much lesser extent, jordan in a game dynamic standpoint-- as in how composition of the scum team is based on interaction strength and game control.

my main concern right now is people pushing kamelot in a way that i strongly dislike, and many of those people previously being strong townreads on my part

[mykonian]

actually i'm strongly against a road kamelot lynch

but she sucks and kicks puppies

[mykonian]

dare I say, she drowns kittens as well?

[Errantparabola]

Giga is my third pick for scum.

Well road Kamelot didn't talk to MariaR all day and pushed shitty Myko and gamma lynches.

Apologies to ssbm but i mistakenly kraskabyte again and cbf getting MariaR momentum.

Hey I wanted to lynch Maria too I just didn't have the heart to do it

hey me too, dunno what transcend means about me cockblocking Maria's lynch

maria was in my lynchpool and i asked transcend to vig her so??

like i'll freely admit that she was my stronger townreads at one point but like when kraska wrote up that case on her i legit when back and realized i gave her towncred too easily and then switched her place in my reads with kraska... i was willing to flashwagon her at deadline too and i thought i mentioned that but i guess i didn't??

I'm not really sure what was awkward about my kyouko vote? i can't really defend myself there, i was always scumreading the slot even though it was never my top pick for scum. a decent portion of my vote came from trusting kraska i'll admit, but like I still was expecting a red flip and had my own read that developed.

As for Maria's partners, when I have time I'll look into it. My current theory is that we're dealing with a two-on one-off situation, which would explain why Maria was so sticky with her Gamma vote. I've eliminated (besides Transcend) Kraska and myko as partners for sure, and I still trust Josh, leaving MTD and Gamma as suspects for me. Only issue I can see with that is with a town!kyouko flip, the wagons stalling the way they did implies a lack of any scum intervention, which also implies that Gamma is town.

MTD/Jordan would probably make the most sense in that case? I'm still attatched to my meta read on Jordan though and I'd rather him explain himself first.

but yeah i need to reread because i have no idea what's actually going on

Because that IS a genuine read list that I posted and i shouldn't BE scummy cuz it's legit what I feel?

but this and the post where he assures he's town are town

UNVOTE:

fuck idfk

{Rk, MTD, jordan}

everyone else is basically conftown

that a lie! bull!
in fact
you're liable for libel!

[Errantparabola]

okay so i somehow ended up accidentally quoting 4 posts along with that bad pun

[mykonian]

anyway, in all seriousness EP, you dislike the way in how I push her. That's more or less that vote I've pushed with the most types of evidence till this point. What's wrong with it?

[Gamma Emerald]

Whoever is saying i didnt interact w maria isnt thinking critically or is scum
i didnt interact with anyone after a certain point

VOTE: MTD
mykonian is fine too
but why is gamma assumed town after the kyouko flip. i voted gamma bc kyouko was likely town

It's the Maria flip
Nice discrediting bud
VOTE: Road Kamelot

[Transcend]

Errant?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also kraska what do u mean that the gerry kill was a frame kill...? i kind of assumed it was because he suspected Maria and was obvtown

How was gerry obvious town
Even his "suspicions"on Maria were unfounded...iirc he said she's scum because of some contradiction in her posts that was not even there.
He did almost nothing to advance the game

the sudden attempt at trying just felt really genuine from what i've seen from gerry. even if i didn't agree with stuff he said he towntold really hard

i'll bms later i guess if i need to

also transcend i forgot today was thanksgiving lmfao so i'll self-meta myself like tomorrow if u want that

[gigabyteTroubadour]

wat.

the only people i feel confident are town are transcend and josh.

Kraska?? Myko??

like i was 100% serious that myko is conftown with maria flipping scum... and kraska was basically the person who made me consider scum!Maria in the first place

EP is just obvtown.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Whoever is saying i didnt interact w maria isnt thinking critically or is scum
i didnt interact with anyone after a certain point

VOTE: MTD
mykonian is fine too
but why is gamma assumed town after the kyouko flip. i voted gamma bc kyouko was likely town

??

mykonian isn't scum with maria... that makes zero sense

and gamma's wagon grew exactly like how a town-counterwagon-to-town grows... he's probably not scum

and if you're not even sure why gamma is cleared, then why vote for MTD??

[gigabyteTroubadour]

an rk vote sounds good but i want to know why Mx. EP doesn't like the conftown pushing on her??

[Road Kamelot]

Errant why are you townreading me so strongly to begin with

I mean yeah the pushes are shit bc im mislynch bait up the wazoo but scumreading me is kinda normal at this point

Pedit bc MTD is a scumread and Gamma was a "kyouko is fuckin town" vote on kyoukos counterwagon
if mykonian isnt scum w maria its because im missing an association that apparently yall saw

How does a town-counterwagon-to-town grow

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i'll explain more in-depth but i felt pretty strongly that the page 1/RVS interactions between Maria/Myko were SvT, I just had picked the wrong scum.

usually town-counterwagon-to-towns (especially at deadline) really quickly get up to the tipping point and match its main wagon, and then both wagons stall for what feels like forever because no one tries to reach a consensus. I can point to some examples from my past games if you'd like. Anyway, at the time of the wagons, I figured Gamma was town for this reasoning but I felt that there was still a chance kyouko was scum and Gamma was just a normal counterwagon and the lack of a consensus was from general inactivity.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

What's your team pick atm? Maria/Myko/MTD? (the M clan...)