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I plan to be a useless town this game, mafia feel free to kill me. I will also shamelessly prod dodge.
I'm hoping to die somewhere mid-game or sooner because my end-game is horrible.
What about the rest of you? Do you plan to be useful? If so, are you willing to follow me when I pop back in with a fabricated report on who is mafia?-
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I'm hoping you forgot to type /s at the end there.In post 37, LmkGuy wrote:
I am hoping you forgot to type /s at the end there.In post 35, ironstove wrote:I plan to be a useless town this game, mafia feel free to kill me. I will also shamelessly prod dodge.
I'm hoping to die somewhere mid-game or sooner because my end-game is horrible.
What about the rest of you? Do you plan to be useful? If so, are you willing to follow me when I pop back in with a fabricated report on who is mafia?-
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In post 92, Nero Cain wrote:In post 88, LmkGuy wrote:Man its Page 2. You should have at least 7 townreads, 3 scumreads and the other 3 null by this point (/s).town
1. LmkGuy
3. Nero Cain
5. PenguinPower
10. cmitc1
12. Knighty Knight
13. Tracer
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2. Saru
4. karnos
7. malpascp
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8. aronagrundy
6. ironstove/9. Lowell
11. AlpacaAlpaca
Am I doing it right?
What is this fucking shitcan read list? Did you compile this by throwing potatoes at a wall and deciphering the markings of the potato-wall-marking-gods?
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You wanna get serious? Vote 4 N3R0In post 119, PenguinPower wrote:
When serious votes start.In post 116, aronagrundy wrote:Then when does RVS stop?-
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Did you not just read my post ABOVE ^ indicating that the read list he compiled is absolute trash and only something that a scum player would do to commence shade throwing ???
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No, I think you should.... READ THE DAMN POST.In post 123, PenguinPower wrote:
You should check the player list and the numbers next to the names...In post 120, ironstove wrote:did this kid really puts himself as his #2 town read behind another player LOL WHAT?!??!?
The # are the order in the first post that the host put us in. WTF are you smoking.-
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This guy still seriously thinks that alpaca is a good lynch.In post 150, Nero Cain wrote:
eh, prob. Those are my early gut reads. I'm mostly basing it on Alpaca and/or Stove being scum though. I don't think your cmt case is really that strong or a better vote then Alpaca or Stove.In post 113, LmkGuy wrote:Perfect... just to clarify though, thats an actual reads list right? I noticed you have cmitic1 on town. Any thoughts on my vote/posts about him?-
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Like, me I can understand, people always want to kill me, but EHHHHHHHH. Also cmitc's 78 appears to be more weak/bad town play rather than fake scum hunting as you're putting it, and it seems like you're really reaching.
I personally don't like the tone arun has taken in this game, appears very 'fake' and 'artificial', trying to sound like a towny player when in actuality is scum, not really creating conflict with other players, avoiding pressure, and overall I don't like the reactions I'm getting.
Seems like a very distanced scum trying to coast cleanly through the game, so I am asking that town make this guy the lynch for D1.-
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We put him at L-1 I was going to hammer and flip him belly up, but the wagon was broken. We got plenty of information of off that RVS on him, so there is no point tunneling in him, if he's scum we can save him for later, now it's time to lynch arun.In post 161, Nero Cain wrote:
What has Alpalca done that's so townie that I should move on and let him coast?In post 159, ironstove wrote:This guy still seriously thinks that alpaca is a good lynch.-
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By fake and artificial, I get a creepy feel of some fake smiling mannequin like so:In post 162, ironstove wrote:Like, me I can understand, people always want to kill me, but EHHHHHHHH. Also cmitc's 78 appears to be more weak/bad town play rather than fake scum hunting as you're putting it, and it seems like you're really reaching.
I personally don't like the tone arun has taken in this game, appears very 'fake' and 'artificial', trying to sound like a towny player when in actuality is scum, not really creating conflict with other players, avoiding pressure, and overall I don't like the reactions I'm getting.
Seems like a very distanced scum trying to coast cleanly through the game, so I am asking that town make this guy the lynch for D1.
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Dude, I was gonna hammer him but someone unvoted i.e. penguinpanic.In post 165, Nero Cain wrote:If you were willing enough to hammer him want made you ok with not letting him hang today? What information did we get off of his wagon?
Are you asking me what information did I gather because you're scum trying to find out if my reads are correct and I should be the night kill, or because you gathered no information from that RVS because you're scum and already know everyone's alignment??????-
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You really said I'm posting hollow statements as the guy who told everyone to sheep his vote on RVS then proceeds to continue tunneling someone for what reasons? A shitty avatar? I initially thought you surely have to either be shitty rxn testing me/alpaca but now I think you're being serious. Are you seriously asking me why Alpaca is not a good lynch? How about you explain to me why he's a good lynch?In post 167, Nero Cain wrote:
no. I'm asking you to do things b/c you are posting hollow statements.In post 166, ironstove wrote:
Dude, I was gonna hammer him but someone unvoted i.e. penguinpanic.In post 165, Nero Cain wrote:If you were willing enough to hammer him want made you ok with not letting him hang today? What information did we get off of his wagon?
Are you asking me what information did I gather because you're scum trying to find out if my reads are correct and I should be the night kill, or because you gathered no information from that RVS because you're scum and already know everyone's alignment??????
You threatened to hammer and penguin unvoted thus you could not hammer. ok got it. What about that makes Alpalca unlynchable today?-
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Did I hammer him? No, I don't think so.
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Thanks for confirming who your partner is.In post 186, aronagrundy wrote:
You have a scumread on someone who's only posted once!In post 184, AlpacaAlpaca wrote:Ok so at this point I have a town lean on Lmk and Nero and a scum lean on Aron, Saru and Tracer-
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Could you go into detail on why you think are Alpaca and I are playing 'stupid'? Is there anything you can provide specifically to the table besides this post?In post 197, Saru wrote:
Pretty much my exact thoughts.In post 183, Lowell wrote:Aron reads more newbtown than flailing scum to me.
Alpaca is either playing stupid or really is just stupid. Same goes for iron. One is probably scum though, in my experience. I'll let time tell which one it is.
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VOTE: Tracer
Thoughts so far, Tracer? You said you wanted to vote so many people, so, who are they?
Also, you indicated in the post above that you believe one of us is probably scum, so why are you now voting for tracer? Do you still think this game is in RVS or are you scum reading the tracer slot? If yes on the SR, then why?-
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Right now, I'm voting for Arun, and I'd rather see her go for the reasons I highlighted in 162 and also 163, 164.
I'm going to dissect nero's post below and provide my read on the player's slot:
The posts he scum reads Alpaca for are as follows:In post 93, Nero Cain wrote:So my gut scum read on Alpaca was b/c I felt like his #8 and #10 were a little glib and trollsy and I think that sometimes can come from scum. I also didn't like his vote on Karnos like at all. Meta wise, when he is town he seems to hunt more. I mean I know its early game and there's not much of anything but I mean...GUT! Also his reaction to getting waggoned was mostly just waving it off. If he was town wouldn't he be more paranoid of a growing wagon on him? His faux rage vote on me in 55 was also p funny.
I also did not like this post much. If he's town then this was unnecessary WIFOM. Part of me thinks that as scum he wouldn't say something that paints a big ole' target on him but the timming of this was also strange FMPOV. This is about the time that the Alpaca wagon started to getIn post 35, ironstove wrote:I plan to be a useless town this game, mafia feel free to kill me. I will also shamelessly prod dodge.
I'm hoping to die somewhere mid-game or sooner because my end-game is horrible.
What about the rest of you? Do you plan to be useful? If so, are you willing to follow me when I pop back in with a fabricated report on who is mafia?somewhatserious and I had felt that his vote switch to Karnos was so he could bandwagon someone that was not him.
He also later says this.
Which is exactly what I felt that Stove could be trying to distract from the Alpaca wagon.In post 73, ironstove wrote:Penguin nervously unvoting because he doesn't want to see his partnerwho is a mafia PRgetting lynched.
Alright, the scum read on this post is fair, I am a very nitpicky person when it comes to grammar as well, and I can understand why he's scum reading the post above due to the unnecessary italics, you kind of have to try to put yourself in the POV of the person that wrote this post and ask yourself what was going on in their heads to try to deduce the necessity of italicizing that particular word in this post and the answer in my perspective is that it DOES seem like behavior that someone would do if they're trying to demonstrate a certain tone to be interpreted off of their post.
What kind of person tends to do that in this game? Usually it's mafia, right? Also, adding such syntactical edits to a post indicates to me that the person kind of sat there for a moment and thought about what they were going to write because maybe they wanted to be careful about what they said. Normally this is expected behavior in a mafia game, however having this type of post come out so early feels a little off.
Anyway, the remaining posts from Alpaca's ISO don't feel scummy, and the reaction to the L-1 and threat of hammer were within the realm of acceptability. However behavior is still noted as it could be a scum maneuver/bussing, but for the time being it's lean scum to null.
A bit of an overreaction to argue that someone is a good lynch based on this post. Seems like you just grabbing at any possible reason to build a case, maybe some conf bias here?In post 10, AlpacaAlpaca wrote:is this scientifically proven
I went through 5 of nero's past games with a web crawler, he rolled scum in 2 of them so I gathered the ISOs of each game into separate files:
TOWN:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... B%5D=12589
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... B%5D=12589
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... B%5D=12589
MAFIA:
Full game - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... B%5D=12589
Sub/replacement in for end game - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... B%5D=12589
The full game of him playing a backup mafia role provides a wealth of information, and I ran a comparison checker to search for word patterns between his town games, and scum games to look for correlations in activity, actions, and generate a tag list then ran another comparison with his ISO in this thread (although the tag list is sparse so there might be more variance as it tends to be much better to determine alignments end game), and he's being flagged as... NULL.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. What a build up, well I wasn't expecting that result TBH but I'm reporting it anyway...
He's actually leaning scum according to the results, but the variance in the error % calculation is disgusting so you can't trust the results at all. This means that his activity in his scum game is the same, actions are almost alike (in terms of grammatical edits, quoting, volume of words in posts, and such), and the tag comparison found a very weak correlation with his scum game.
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Based on the long winded post I made above, I want to see the D1 lynch placed on the following slots of {ARUN, SARU} for today.-
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i.e. looks like a bunch of garbage text output being spit out with indecipherable variable names and I'm not really looking to put in the effort to revamp it for others as I'm trying to avoid a poetic justice situation in which the tool is fittingly used against me to accurately pin me as scum in a close game.-
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FYI, when you vote someone saying you're trying to pressure them, then it stops working.In post 234, cmitc1 wrote:
to pressure her thats kinda what i was trying to get at with "I would like to change that".In post 233, AlpacaAlpaca wrote:If Lowell and Saru were on my wagon and Nero hopped off it would be perfect
Pedit: Ok than why are you voting her besides Iron saying sheep me?
And I'm not trying to pressure, I am trying to LYNCH. LET'S GET A MAJORITY VOTE ON THIS.-
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SCUM DETECTED, LYNCH TRACER ASAP.In post 257, Tracer wrote:Oh my, I got votes on me for not posting much.
And it's going to get worse because I'll be like this until Friday!
Anyway, I got few questions about who I wanted to vote and why.
A lot of them wasn't because I was scurmeading them, but rather because I just hated their posts.
I'll save myself time naming them because they have been already discussed plenty and at this point.
Ya know, penguin, iron, knight, etc. (Yeah, I see you facepalming there. I know. I know.)
People, the post above me is a generic strategy of lazy/afk scum 101... Please gather your votes and remove the scum tracer out of the game. Thank you.-
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In post 309, PenguinPower wrote:
Wow...this is a complete misrepresentation of what happened. Except for the joking and winning personality. I definitely do/have that.In post 304, Lowell wrote:penguin. Reads similar to LmkGuy, but less so. He spent a lot of time early trying to make jokes and prove his winning personality. He's improved, slightly, perhaps, but still seems to post only when there's a light moment he can pounce on. I also don't like how he egged iron on to hammer alpaca early, only to more or less immediately say how the threat wasn't serious.
Coupled with your IronStove read...Heavens to Betsyif you aren't somewhat scummy.Heavens to Betsy-
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newb scum cracking under the pressure.
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Karnos coming off as mafia in the last page + this page.
That whole post about explaining how saru misunderstood his gameplay then the outright contradiction that he's developing a new meta rather than continue the original route of argument on his past scum game is very hilarious, actually.
VOTE: Karnos
So interesting observation on lmkguy, we can explore further after we flip karnos and see what's under the hood.-
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What question are you talking about?In post 412, Thor665 wrote:@Iro - why the direct dodge of my question about your case on me followed by sheeping onto the wagon I'm currently supporting?-
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replace out?In post 483, malpascp wrote:V/LA for indefinite period of time. Basically my ISP cut my connection for no fucking reason so I'm posting using my mobile data, and that will be my only option for the next few days, so I have to use it sparingly.
Tomorrow I'll post something game related (tbh I didn't even catch up yet)-
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Inner child, huh..? Well, that's kind of funny because I think you sound like mine.In post 501, GreyICE wrote:I love iron. He's like my inner child given voice. I think I should construct a shrine to him and worship at it every day. I should only hope to someday post something as amazing as post #35.-
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How is it different? Specifics.In post 560, Nero Cain wrote:If Knight is scum then I think Stove has to be a buddy. IMO Stove's play is different then his other town games. I asked Knight his opinion on this and he ignored me. Buddy play?
I won't stand for this slanderous hearsay that your vitriolic mouth babbles on with if there is no justification brought fourth.
TAR AND FEATHER THIS MAFIOSO-
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Are you really saying I'm Knight's scum partner because you asked knight a question about my scummy play and he didn't respond to your question?
So by his lack of reaction to your question that is from your perspective, grounds to consider for evidence that I rolled mafia this game?
LOL. Your case is so flimsy and your obvious attempt to push the lynch off your partner Thor is so blatantly obvious, I can see that Thor is a mafia PR that you're obviously trying to save, and Saru is probably on board with you as well.
{Thor, Saru, Nero} Are the scum, but please lynch Thor first, his flip is the basis for where I am drawing the majority of my associations.-
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I have not necessarily felt he's mafia more so than the Thor/Saru/Aron slots so I'd rather see them go first.In post 569, PenguinPower wrote:Why do you think the Knighty slot is town?-
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