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Sure. I think you're scum.In post 197, Trivium wrote:Will the confirmed town please stand up and say something?
Also I'm Australian. Time zone is different to yours. Don't be impatient.
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Also, JarJar gets town points for sheeping so blatantly. I've only ever done that as town. Town don't give a damn, yo.
Honestly, though, why anyone thinks my vote was sheeping is beyond me. When I sheep I say baa and let everyone know it's a sheep. Just because I happen to vote someone after others have voted them doesn't mean it's not for my own reasons based off my own reads. You guys need to get over yourselves.
Anyways, my first newbie the guy who gave the early townread with weak reasons that weren't actually reasons to townread someone? Yeah, he was newbscum. Simple reasoning doesn't necessarily mean incorrect...In fact, Occam's razor. Wagon speed this early is NAI and it annoys me that was attempted to be used as a defense because it's not one.
Trivium seemed to posture a lot around the ira wagon. I don't like that.
Town Mafioso not paying attention to my IC status was amusing <3 He's made points I like, and I think he's town, but I don't agree with his reads.-
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Experience with him.In post 209, Trivium wrote:
Sorry about that. What does your confidence come from?In post 208, JaeReed wrote:
Sure. I think you're scum.In post 197, Trivium wrote:Will the confirmed town please stand up and say something?
Also I'm Australian. Time zone is different to yours. Don't be impatient.
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Yup, that's his "basis" and it's not something to townread someone for. You had posts by that point which I would have accepted as reasons to townread you. Instead he came back with something NAI and more personality related. Hence, no real basis. The wagon came about for pressure on the slot, not to lynch him.In post 61, Trivium wrote:Well, his basis apparently was that I sounded like I knew what I was doing. First of all I don't, and second of all that's not a town tell. Scum would come up with something like this to get somebody to stop pressuring them, whereas town wouldn't be trying to get people off of them that way. However, I don't believe that that's enough of a basis to lynch someone for. I think based on how fast this wagon formed, there's probably scum on it.
This is annoying because I wasn't sheeping. Murder's post here was pretty bad I'll admit. He negated any real pressure his vote would have. I can understand why people pushed him, but it doesn't change the fact that he's a strong town read for me.In post 62, Trivium wrote:In post 56, MURDERCAT wrote:VOTE: Iraonvp
I think I will always think you are scum in every game. Let's wagon this so I can get a read here please.
these are examples of bad sheepingIn post 58, JaeReed wrote:VOTE: iraonavp
Wagon, yo. Also, don't like early townreads with no real basis. Generally comes from scum.
This is a good point.In post 65, Town Mafioso wrote:In post 61, Trivium wrote:Well, his basis apparently was that I sounded like I knew what I was doing. First of all I don't, and second of all that's not a town tell. Scum would come up with something like this to get somebody to stop pressuring them, whereas town wouldn't be trying to get people off of them that way. However, I don't believe that that's enough of a basis to lynch someone for. I think based on how fast this wagon formed, there's probably scum on it.
Your vote belongs somewhere elseIn post 45, Trivium wrote:VOTE: iraonavp
Don't like voting the same person in RVS
Don't like the way he responded to pressure
Don't like how he casually mentioned his town-read on me
This is a bad reaction to a good point.In post 67, Trivium wrote: Don't do that. Don't tell people where to put their vote at this stage in the game. It's a scumtell.
I wish people would stop trying to force townbloc's. They happen or they don't, but if they happen it should be naturally formed.In post 68, Town Mafioso wrote:If its a scumtell vote me.
Based on what you said in 61 you dont support a lynch on your current vote.
Stop hindering my way of getting an early game townbloc
Being serious gets reactions. Reactions generate conversation, which helps get reads. Which is the point of RVS wagons. Whether it was a minor ping to me or not is irrelevant because what we're aiming for there is his reaction to being scumread and wagoned. So you should generally act as though it's a full scumread for maximum effect.In post 69, Town Mafioso wrote:
OpportunismIn post 58, JaeReed wrote:VOTE: iraonavp
Wagon, yo. Also, don't like early townreads with no real basis. Generally comes from scum.
Looks like an RVS and honestly not as serious as one above.MURDERCAT wrote:VOTE: Iraonvp
I think I will always think you are scum in every game. Let's wagon this so I can get a read here please.
I don't like this but not sure if that's just because it's a vote on a townread. I like the first sentence but everything after that just feels awful.In post 70, Trivium wrote: Early game townbloc is the stupidest idea since the backwards toilet paper roll. Sure, it would be nice, but you don't know who's town and who's not. Or at least, you shouldn't. Also, please back up your statements with reasoning and stuff. VOTE: Mafioso
Why does this terrify you? Those odds are more in your favour if you're town, no?In post 73, Trivium wrote:Also I'm town, jaereed is town, that leaves 7 town to three mafia, so everybody else has almost a 1/3 chance of being mafia. That terrifies me. And no, you haven't.
I...don't like this, but I'm thinking Mafioso is town so the reasoning I don't like it goes down the drain. (Being that it reads like coaching)In post 74, Trivium wrote:Explain your town reads Mafioso. Do that and I will be content.-
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Yup, and I agree with you on more than just that, but I don't think anything I find agreeable is something that you wouldn't have said as scum.In post 212, Accountant wrote:
I mean this is what I said basicallyAlso, JarJar gets town points for sheeping so blatantly. I've only ever done that as town. Town don't give a damn, yo.
Basically, I'm having trouble reading you.
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@Accountant, to clarify, you believe the frustration here is fake? Or you believe the frustration here is not town frustration (either by being scum or NAI)? If the latter, please verify which of those you're reading it as.In post 127, iraonavp wrote:
That's a really simplistic way of looking at things. My read on Trivium does have basis.In post 58, JaeReed wrote:VOTE: iraonavp
Wagon, yo. Also, don't like early townreads with no real basis. Generally comes from scum.
It's not even a strong read, I hate how I'm being forced to defend something that was just an offhand vague feeling in the first place.-
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Wasn't it Bacde, not Accountant, saying to joke lynch someone? Accountant has been pretty focused on ira, and even asked why not the other lurker instead of xkfyu.In post 282, evilpacman18 wrote:
why does Accountant strike town and I seem scummy but the next thing you say is "lynch xykfu" thing seems scummy? Are you mixing us up? Cuz I haven't mentioned xykfu at all, that was all Accountant and I'm pretty sure it wasn't serious.In post 266, Trivium wrote:Accountant strikes town, but not evilpacman. Can't really read much of this, and I have to try really hard not to make up some random BS. The let's lynch xkfyu as a joke thing is really awkward, to the point where I feel like it's scummy, but weirdly scummy like it's trying to be too obvious. I also don't like how bacde brought up a previous game and claimed that jarjar had a grudge on him for being maf in it.
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You said he was ignoring him. He proved to you that he has in fact not been ignoring him. You changed your argument to fit the narrative.In post 284, JarJarDrinks wrote:
Lol @ "Way off the mark". YOU were the one that said there wasn't much material for anyone to have a read there.In post 281, evilpacman18 wrote:if you can't tell what the thread of my read on him is, I thought he was town earlier on, Accountant pointed out some stuff that I agreed could be a case for a scum read, but I felt like his tone obscures his intent, so I'm just waiting on deciding on that one. Idk why it's surprising to anyone that I think someone who writes kinda strange is the hardest to read in the game, but JarJar is way off the mark to say that he's the only person I've been ignoring.
See now you're changing your story. Now what you're saying is you were townreading him earlier but you're not sure about that read because of Accountants case. That's a pretty far cry from basically saying: I have no read because he hasn't said anything.
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Why are you leaning town on ira? What do you believe shows town motivation in his posting?In post 277, Xkfyu wrote:Well, I'm only on Page 3 of my catchup but, so far, I am leaning town on iraonavp. So, I won't be supporting that wagon, as of right now.
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I think current site meta is aggression is read as townie. Basically people try to get out of RVS as quickly as possible to get the game rolling. I'm not sure on this though, still pretty new to the whole thing, myself.In post 297, Tam wrote:OK, this is my first game in yeeeeears and I got sick this weekend...something about ribs, sun and tequila? Anyhow, I think I beat the deadline. I dunno. I'm confused. The timer I was sent has expired, but I have a message saying midnight tonight...but not sure which timezone at midnight. I am in the U.S.- Central time, so it is 7:30 (or 19:30, whatever floats your boat) here.
Sorry about the delay...I am on page 8 so far. Just wanted to check in!
Out of curiosity- there seems to be an awful lot of people jumping around pointing fingers really early on- but really meaning it, not just to speed things along for clues...is this typical nowadays? It used to be a mafia warning sign...-
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Nah it's coming off as frustration, which is closer to NAI than anything. If I had to put a lean on it I'd go town. I've seen quite a few town say stuff like that. Usually only once or twice though. The repeating of it is a little weird, I guess.In post 290, Trivium wrote:"You're right, this is my scum play" Strikes me as scummy. That's a defense. "Welp lynch me" Is the same thing. Defensive scum play. Also the quote change thing seems like he's caring too much about what he's saying and how he's saying it.-
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Yeah this is pretty much the clarification I wanted. Sorry. I prefer to be as clear on things as possible if I'm not sure, and didn't want to lead you to the answer I wanted.In post 296, JarJarDrinks wrote:
C'mon. That's nitpicking my words.In post 287, JaeReed wrote:You said he was ignoring him. He proved to you that he has in fact not been ignoring him. You changed your argument to fit the narrative.
Walk me through this please?
Read 271 and you should be able to see my point.
"Ignore" wasn't a great word to use. "Refusing to give a read" is all I meant. And it's not like he's denying it. He said that the reason he refused to give a read is because there wasn't material on iraonavp.-
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Thank you. You're pretty town too.In post 380, evilpacman18 wrote:Murdercat and bacde are the most obvtown
I'm willing to lynch triv. Gonna wait for the VC.
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It felt like genuine rage, not feigned. The whole "you guys are voting me off murders gut read" was scummy content but the rage actually feels town.In post 395, evilpacman18 wrote:
Jae what about 392 seems town to you? Feigned rage is a classic scum tacticIn post 393, JaeReed wrote:I'm not voting you for murders read on you. Don't think pacman is either.
Holy shit on that rage tho.
VOTE: Iraon
Back to this one.
I can't explain it beyond that sorry. It felt like town rage and not scum rage. It wasn't "caught for the wrong reasons" but rather "you guys fucking suck at this" for what I felt off it.-
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I've had that thought as town before though when I get even just one vote on me. It's annoying to be misread. I generally manage to keep my rage under wraps as far as posting but his post could very easily be one I'd make if I allowed myself.In post 396, evilpacman18 wrote:
This is the scum claim. First of all this level of "anger" is usually a matter of pent up frustration, it doesn't just come out in one post, especially since Trivium isn't THAT much more under pressure than he was in his last couple posts and he wasn't particularly angry there. It's very early for the "mislynch me" ultimatum, which indicates that we're probably on the right track here.In post 392, Trivium wrote:I'm not going to defend myself any more either, so you can either fuck off or mislynch.-
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By your reasoning there I'm scum. Because I had the same thought when I first read it.In post 404, iraonavp wrote:
This is very scum-aligned.In post 159, Accountant wrote:Jar is town wtf
No mafia member sits at his computer and writes a post like #46 and clicks submit. Mafia members love to try to look town and reasoned and back up all their reads with long chains of fake reasoning. Like if Jar was mafia he wouldn't blatantly sheep like that, he'd come up with his own story and then vote iraon
This is also basically why I think TM is town.
It's using WIFOM logic to read someone as town-aligned, because he knows that JarJarDrinks is town-aligned and what he sees reinforces this to him, even though it is null.
I don't have a read on JarJarDrinks currently, but if Accountant is scum-aligned then he is very likely town-aligned.-
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Except Murder is town.In post 405, iraonavp wrote:
That's stupid, and makes the assumption that MURDERCAT is town-aligned, which he probably isn't...In post 164, Accountant wrote:Yeah, iraon is scum, everything about him screams fake to me. Pushing on MURDER is easy, plus I feel like he's only interested in defending himself and doesn't want to engage.
VOTE: iraonvp
Literally the entire thing I have been doing this game is trying to make reads, I'm not only interested in defending myself!-
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Townslip wasn't the right word, but more like towntell. In any case... JJD had reasonings that lined up with someone elses reasonings. He stated that with his vote. Just because you don't like his reasoning doesn't discount that it's there.In post 406, iraonavp wrote:
"townslip" is just ridiculous, put this in context!In post 176, Accountant wrote:
Townslip is townslip no matter what page it's on
you realize you're basing a strong read on a 2nd page post right??
"townslip" is when someone slips information that confirms them as town-aligned, not just someone who votes without reasoning!
I don't even see how voting someone without reasoning would even be town-aligned at all. What you said is 100% WIFOM.
Your defense of JarJarDrinks is obscene and you are scum-aligned.-
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This is ridiculous. Bacde is obvious town.In post 407, iraonavp wrote:
I don't like this attitude towards me. It's like you are trying to avoid pushing me because it will make you look suspicious for taking the easy target or something.In post 186, Bacde wrote:basically iraonvp is playing exactly like someone I would push for an easy lynch if I was mafia so I'm just assuming he's town and finding the more likely mafias
You took this out of context, and therefore it's a misrep.In post 408, iraonavp wrote:
This doesn't sound like you are really so confident I'm scum-aligned if you also think "easy push" implies you acknowledge that I am naturally suspicious.In post 187, Accountant wrote:That's a weird way of spelling MURDERCAT
Though just because someone is an easy push for hypothetical mafia doesn't mean their town
"easy push" doesn't even mean anything realistically. It's just WIFOM and you can easily read people through that.-
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Ira you are doing literally the same thing you're accusing Murdercat of doing. You're talking to him like he's town.
All you're doing is making noise that is easy to shut down. You took the post out of context not because of the quote but the way you were pretending like Accountant was talking about their own reasoning with the easy lynch stuff. Accountant was talking to someone else who made that point and you twisted it to make it seem like it was Accountant's view.-
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Incorrect. My opinions are guaranteed to come from a town perspective. I just confirmed that my mindset was the exact same as Accountant's when reading JJD's towntell. That means that Accountant had the same mindset as I did when they noted that. This puts Accountant in a more favourable light and discounts your reasoning as to why Accountant is scummy for thinking it's a towntell because the confirmed town believed it to be a towntell, too.In post 417, iraonavp wrote: Obviously you are not scum-aligned because you are innocent child but your opinions don't have any more value because of this.-
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I did read this post.In post 408, iraonavp wrote:
This doesn't sound like you are really so confident I'm scum-aligned if you also think "easy push" implies you acknowledge that I am naturally suspicious.In post 187, Accountant wrote:That's a weird way of spelling MURDERCAT
Though just because someone is an easy push for hypothetical mafia doesn't mean their town
"easy push" doesn't even mean anything realistically. It's just WIFOM and you can easily read people through that.
You said Accountant is not confident you're scum aligned because Accountant literally said "just because someone is an easy push for hypothetical mafia doesn't mean their town". This shows theexact oppositeof what you're trying to say it does. Accountant believes regardless of you being lynchbait or not that you are mafia. Accountant has a scumread on you regardless of you being lynchbait.-
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I have literally no reason to lie about my opinion. It doesn't make them confirmed but it does give a strong town lean. By that stage it wasn't RVS, also. At least the way I was reading the thread.In post 434, iraonavp wrote:
If you genuinely believe that someone sheeping a vote makes them confirmed as town-aligned, then you are delusional. I think you are lying about your opinion because you want evidence to justify opinions that you have already stated so it makes you feel more right.In post 431, JaeReed wrote:
Incorrect. My opinions are guaranteed to come from a town perspective. I just confirmed that my mindset was the exact same as Accountant's when reading JJD's towntell. That means that Accountant had the same mindset as I did when they noted that. This puts Accountant in a more favourable light and discounts your reasoning as to why Accountant is scummy for thinking it's a towntell because the confirmed town believed it to be a towntell, too.In post 417, iraonavp wrote: Obviously you are not scum-aligned because you are innocent child but your opinions don't have any more value because of this.-
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If I have no good reason to lie about it then I am likely not telling a lie. Just because you don't like my theory doesn't mean I have reason to lie about it. I want a town win as much as the rest of town.In post 441, iraonavp wrote:
Accountant said that it was a townslip, which means he is confirmed as town-aligned.In post 438, JaeReed wrote:
I have literally no reason to lie about my opinion. It doesn't make them confirmed but it does give a strong town lean. By that stage it wasn't RVS, also. At least the way I was reading the thread.In post 434, iraonavp wrote:
If you genuinely believe that someone sheeping a vote makes them confirmed as town-aligned, then you are delusional. I think you are lying about your opinion because you want evidence to justify opinions that you have already stated so it makes you feel more right.In post 431, JaeReed wrote:
Incorrect. My opinions are guaranteed to come from a town perspective. I just confirmed that my mindset was the exact same as Accountant's when reading JJD's towntell. That means that Accountant had the same mindset as I did when they noted that. This puts Accountant in a more favourable light and discounts your reasoning as to why Accountant is scummy for thinking it's a towntell because the confirmed town believed it to be a towntell, too.In post 417, iraonavp wrote: Obviously you are not scum-aligned because you are innocent child but your opinions don't have any more value because of this.
Lots of people lie about their opinion in this game, even if they're town-aligned. You have no good reason to lie about it, sure.
Accountant calling it a townslip instead of a towntell is really irrelevant. It's obvious what was meant. You're jumping on the wording rather than the intent and that's why you're getting pushed.-
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Incorrect.In post 454, iraonavp wrote:Confidence is alignment indicative...-
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That's not an answer.In post 455, iraonavp wrote:
No.In post 453, MURDERCAT wrote:If this:
Why:In post 448, iraonavp wrote:
Yes. Yes.In post 444, MURDERCAT wrote:In post 439, MURDERCAT wrote:Don't you think that scum is more likely to try to blend in? Don't you think it looks townie when you provide reasoning for your opinions?
In post 452, iraonavp wrote:
No.In post 451, MURDERCAT wrote:So, in your opinion, is scum more likely to post reasoning?
If you think scum are more likely to try to blend in, and that it's townie to provide reasoning for your opinion, then it follows that scum are more likely to provide reasoning because they're trying to blend in and look town.
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..Y'know what... You can just be my official spokesperson.In post 457, MURDERCAT wrote:That is not an answer. If scum is more likely to try to blend in and it looks townie when you provide reasoning, why is scum not more likely to provide reasoning?-
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You are no longer one of my representatives. I thought he looked like gleeful scum.In post 465, Accountant wrote:
You sound a lot like you're scum unsure whether to bus or save your partner right now dudeIn post 463, Trivium wrote:I dunno maybe he wasn't quite dodging or anything like that... I think that was just an inability to answer the question because of miscommunication.
How would you expect scum to react to the back and forth with Ira if Ira was indeed town? Because if I had to point a finger at anything to describe it it'd be what Trivium posted around that time.-
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That's your opinion. I don't think you're scum-aligned so much as I did before because you've been looking like you're being victimized... but your reads on Murder and Accountant along with the reasonings for them are utter bs. Accountant could be whatever, but more likely town than not. Murder is town, end of.In post 466, iraonavp wrote:JaeReed, you think both the players who are most likely scum-aligned are town-aligned, and you think I'm scum-aligned.
They're not "most likely scum-aligned" by any stretch.-
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1) Incorrect. I am saying people who just handwave a super scummy looking person as "dumb town" ping me because that's an easy way to give an opinion on your partner who is under pressure without flat out defending them. You've been trying to discredit the confirmed town for a while now, which comes across as completely scummy, if you must know. If you think I'm wrong then engage with me on why I'm wrong with actual reasons that aren't just "hurr you're wrong I'm right even though my cursory not-quite-answers to Murder actually support your theory and not mine because WIFOM". Guess what? I can do that too. Occam's razor. The simple explanation is often the correct one. Simple explanations?In post 477, iraonavp wrote:
See, you are just saying anyone who disagrees with you is scum-aligned, but you're actually the one who's wrong because of previous fragile opinions.In post 216, JaeReed wrote:Actually, not sure on Mafioso being town. The insistence that Triv is dumb town pings me in a large way.
I think that Town Mafioso is somewhat town-aligned, anyway. Probably my strongest town-aligned read other than JaeReed, I don't have many town-aligned reads yet.
JJD is town because he's not trying to look town and instead trying to scumhunt and apply pressure where it's needed.
Accountant is town for having the exact same thought process as me, the confirmed town.
Murder is town because my experience with Murder tells me he's town.
I can throw what you're doing with your WIFOM argument right back at you by using a different one.
2) You look like lost town with your lack of townreads... and I still want to lynch you because at this stage you're noisy and cluttering the thread with the most useless posts I have ever seen come from town OR mafia.-
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Fair point.In post 488, Accountant wrote:
"Hey guys, I'll be busy for the next day so I won't be around to post much. [insert previously established strong read] is still town/scum." then sit back and watch ira dig his own grave
How would you expect scum to react to the back and forth with Ira if Ira was indeed town? Because if I had to point a finger at anything to describe it it'd be what Trivium posted around that time.-
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In post 488, Accountant wrote:
"Hey guys, I'll be busy for the next day so I won't be around to post much. [insert previously established strong read] is still town/scum." then sit back and watch ira dig his own grave
How would you expect scum to react to the back and forth with Ira if Ira was indeed town? Because if I had to point a finger at anything to describe it it'd be what Trivium posted around that time.
You didn't answer it satisfactorily any time that you were asked and that's why it keeps having to be reworded and you're getting pushed on it. Like you are either a victim of severe communication issues or you're trying to dodge answering the question to a satisfactory level because you can't answer it satisfactorily.In post 491, iraonavp wrote:
They are reacting to the back and forth by starting it and trying to lynch me...In post 479, JaeReed wrote:
You are no longer one of my representatives. I thought he looked like gleeful scum.In post 465, Accountant wrote:
You sound a lot like you're scum unsure whether to bus or save your partner right now dudeIn post 463, Trivium wrote:I dunno maybe he wasn't quite dodging or anything like that... I think that was just an inability to answer the question because of miscommunication.
How would you expect scum to react to the back and forth with Ira if Ira was indeed town? Because if I had to point a finger at anything to describe it it'd be what Trivium posted around that time.
I clearly answered MURDERCAT's question, then he kept asking it in different ways and acted all aggressive about it, he didn't really want to know my answer, he wanted to bait me into responding. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that. And Accountant is just fueling the fire, trying to lynch me.-
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In post 488, Accountant wrote:
"Hey guys, I'll be busy for the next day so I won't be around to post much. [insert previously established strong read] is still town/scum." then sit back and watch ira dig his own grave
How would you expect scum to react to the back and forth with Ira if Ira was indeed town? Because if I had to point a finger at anything to describe it it'd be what Trivium posted around that time.In post 491, iraonavp wrote:
They are reacting to the back and forth by starting it and trying to lynch me...In post 479, JaeReed wrote:
You are no longer one of my representatives. I thought he looked like gleeful scum.In post 465, Accountant wrote:
You sound a lot like you're scum unsure whether to bus or save your partner right now dudeIn post 463, Trivium wrote:I dunno maybe he wasn't quite dodging or anything like that... I think that was just an inability to answer the question because of miscommunication.
How would you expect scum to react to the back and forth with Ira if Ira was indeed town? Because if I had to point a finger at anything to describe it it'd be what Trivium posted around that time.
I clearly answered MURDERCAT's question, then he kept asking it in different ways and acted all aggressive about it, he didn't really want to know my answer, he wanted to bait me into responding. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that. And Accountant is just fueling the fire, trying to lynch me.
I forgot they had daychat lmaoIn post 499, Trivium wrote:
This is paranoia, but it's reaching paranoia. Scummy paranoia. Aware that the mafia have daychat paranoia.In post 496, iraonavp wrote:
See, look! MURDERCAT probably told Accountant in the mafia chat that if I was accused that I would dig my own grave, how would Accountant know that I usually get mislynched otherwise?In post 488, Accountant wrote:
"Hey guys, I'll be busy for the next day so I won't be around to post much. [insert previously established strong read] is still town/scum." then sit back and watch ira dig his own grave
How would you expect scum to react to the back and forth with Ira if Ira was indeed town? Because if I had to point a finger at anything to describe it it'd be what Trivium posted around that time.-
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This is a reachout, ira. Learn to recognize this.In post 500, MURDERCAT wrote:Here's the thing Iraon, your posts don't make sense. The questions I asked were actually all legitimate attempts to understand you position. When you just say things like "look at this it's ridiculous" that's not enough for me to know if you are town or scum. Understandingwhyyou think it is ridiculous is what I need from you. I see you think it's wifom, but do you really think that scum is going to act scummy to wifom? Isn't scum's goal to try to look townie?-
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FTFYIn post 501, iraonavp wrote: He knows that he's town-aligned, this is early day 1 and mafia have been trying to mislynch him.-
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Don't derp. I'd hate for it to be incorrectly assumed you're ira's partner and was trying to start a counterwagon since I'm finally townreading you.In post 521, Trivium wrote:NAH. Explain that reason please. And not everyone is townreading you. VOTE: MURDERCAT-
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There's no point in asking someone to towncase themselves because they're obviously going to think everything they do is town motivated. Because if they're town everything they're posting is from a town viewpoint. If they're scum, they're trying to look town and will think everything shows a town motivation because of it.In post 529, Trivium wrote:
I don't care. Murdercat is either going to explain themselves or I'm going to be doing this.In post 525, JaeReed wrote:
Don't derp. I'd hate for it to be incorrectly assumed you're ira's partner and was trying to start a counterwagon since I'm finally townreading you.In post 521, Trivium wrote:NAH. Explain that reason please. And not everyone is townreading you. VOTE: MURDERCAT
Like, you can't honestly expect him to give you reasons why he thinks he's obvtown. That's completely unfair because there is no way he can prove that.
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Yeah that's fair.. As I said in the original message.. Just didn't want you being pushed for a dumb reason now that I think you're town.In post 537, Trivium wrote: I understand that, but purely from experience I lost a game to a mafia who bluffed like hell through the game with the exact kind of post that murdercat gave, and I promised myself never to let it happen again. Experience>prettymucheverythingelse
I could go IAI just because I haven't seen anything lately. Flying under the radar while town self destructs has got to be hilarious to mafia.In post 536, Bacde wrote:
+1In post 489, JarJarDrinks wrote:like an IAI/Town Mafioso scumteam seems pretty probable to me right now-
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The last time I used the word scumlord I was scum :p not a tell or anything.. More just an "I laughed" kind of fluff post.In post 566, Accountant wrote:Going to be unimpressed with y'all if we don't lynch scumlord ira today-
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VOTE: Trivium
Quite a few of my townreads want this, and the point of the reaction being overblown for the amount of votes could be correct. I actually forgot about how Triv came out looking worse to me than Iraon off the RVS wagon thing.
This vote is more of a sheep, though Xkfyu has kinda obvtowned to me. I'm down to trust them.-
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conftown = confirmed townIn post 598, iraonavp wrote:
You said "obvtown" and it's the same thing, you know what he meant. This is just twisting words and semantic distractions like you did before.In post 554, MURDERCAT wrote:I never said I was confirmed...
obvtown = obvious town
Not the same. You can be obvtown (bacde for example) and still be scum. You can't be conftown (me) and still be scum.-
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Yes but it doesn't make me scum because I'm the IC so the reasoning for doing so is to throw shade on me I guess?In post 605, Accountant wrote:You're accusing the IC of twisting words and semantic distractions?
Pretty much "don't listen to this person even though they're the only one CONFIRMED to be from a town mindset because they do stuff I don't like"-
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In post 560, Xkfyu wrote:
If you are town, then JaeReed is obviously mislead.In post 473, iraonavp wrote:
You do realize JaeReed is innocent child...In post 469, Accountant wrote:
Except jae also thinks the same. Is jae also mafia contributing to the illusion? Holy shit your arguments are downright absurdNo, I answered every question I can. It's just that MURDERCAT pretends like I didn't answer the question and asks it again, to create the illusion that I am being evasive.
You and MURDERCAT are scum-aligned trying to make me look bad. JaeReed is just mislead.
Knowing that, don't you think it could be the case that at least one of (if not both) Accountant and MC are also just mislead townies?
I want it noted that this reachout was ignored.In post 562, Xkfyu wrote:
Ok, I'm going to explain this to you because I actually think you do believe what you say. However, I assure you, that don't make nearly as much sense as you think they do.In post 516, iraonavp wrote:
My posts make perfect sense and I explained it so many times...In post 500, MURDERCAT wrote:Here's the thing Iraon, your posts don't make sense. The questions I asked were actually all legitimate attempts to understand you position. When you just say things like "look at this it's ridiculous" that's not enough for me to know if you are town or scum. Understandingwhyyou think it is ridiculous is what I need from you. I see you think it's wifom, but do you really think that scum is going to act scummy to wifom? Isn't scum's goal to try to look townie?
You absolutely could not have failed to understand my simple position and had to request me to repeat myself so many times because you actually didn't understand. It was all for show.
Your posts make perfect sense to you, but that's only because you wrote them and you already know exactly what you were trying to say. Everyone else doesn't have that kind of insight.
You would be much better off to really take your time say exactly what it is you are trying to say. Even if it becomes over-simplified, the key word here is "explicit."-
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Pre-flip associatives atm. Basically I don't think ira and xk could be a team. xk reached out in a townie way and ira completely ignored it and kept tunnelling their own grave deeper.In post 614, Accountant wrote:What's the significance of that? I mean I get what Xykfyu is trying to do but why does it matter if ira ignored the reachout or not
They're probably both town.
I want a Trivium lynch today because I feel like that would put things more into perspective for a lot of people. I don't want this day to go on much longer because of how much harder that will make it for people to reread.
Harder to reread = people are less likely to do so after the flip. I want town to reread after the flip with the knowledge of the person being x alignment.-
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Oh sorry I guess I won't use my role as it's intended to be used.In post 608, iraonavp wrote:Yes, because you are saying that I am scum-aligned and that both MURDERCAT and Accountant are town-aligned, when if you were sensible you would be able to see that it isn't the case rather than just making broad statements and appealing to your role as if it gives your opinions validity...
IC = Confirmed town = Confirmed to be from a town mindset = I AM TRYING TO WIN THE GAME AS TOWN.
So yeah, my opinion does hold some validity. Whether right or wrong everyone should know what I'm saying is 100% genuine. Yet you're trying to push me telling lies for ??? reasons? Ego I presume? Except I don't need to act overly confident this game to get my scumreads lynched. Because as confirmed town I can literally do whatever the fuck I want and I'll never be mislynched. I don't need to put on any kind of facade. I can just say exactly what I think and everyone will know that's the truth but you want to push me deciding to lie for some strange reason so that you can discredit that what I'm saying is honestly me trying to advance my wincon as town.
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You could have responded to anything you wanted and you chose to ONLY respond to us.In post 618, Accountant wrote:It's not like we post restricted you lol
That is your choice. This is again why people want to lynch you.-
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I'm sorry to hear thatIn post 670, Trivium wrote:I'm having a terrible day.-
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I probably will be after a vote count.In post 775, Trivium wrote:
I disagree, but if that's how you feel then at least vote tam.In post 773, JaeReed wrote:I have a sinking feeling both ira and triv could be town.-
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Tam probably. Possibly my townread on either you or murder could be wrong. Otherwise the other suspect people are the ones that started hard lurking.In post 774, Accountant wrote:Then who is scum, Jae?-
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<3In post 777, Nahdia wrote:VC-
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8 days. Accountant vote is meh. I don't think they're gonna be the lynch today. ISO Tam and lemme know thoughts.In post 782, Sonrio wrote:to be honest im not gonna read the entire thread as i only just got here but i might skim if something comes up. i assume my vote on accountant is a good one unless the vote post (which i havent found) says otherwise and will look forward to trivium scrambling. how long do we have until end of day?-
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See it's posts like these that make me think Accountant can't be anything but town since I thought of pointing out the same thing but then couldn't be bothered.In post 885, Accountant wrote:
Bacde is obvtown enough and a good enough player that I don't feel he is lynchbait for mafiaIn post 878, Impoetic wrote:I bet you if I hadn't made this post that would lampshade it, Tam would have come back and immediately responded to bacde, playing that up as the meat of the BW rather than the weak link it is. I mean, Bacde's a good player, but he's refusing to explain his point of view thoroughly and is someone that can be targeted easily as a means of avoidance/misrepping-
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