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Good enough for my first vote at the very least.
Why did you change your RVS vote to sheep an RVS vote?
If you wanted a wagon you'd have done that on your very first vote.I bloom in spring?
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In post 27, knightmare wrote:So I ask you again - is it scummy? I would like you to explain this one.
Well ok since my answer wasnt obvious enough then:
Yes, otherwise i wouldn't have voted you.
There I even bolded it for you.
To me it looks weird because you obviously didnt want to start a wagon since you had chance to do so with your first vote.
Second, "i was looking for reactions" is not that valid of a reason, specially when you already said so, if you were looking for reactions you wouldn't have said so.
So I wask again, why?I bloom in spring?
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In post 29, knightmare wrote:Ok - explain why it is more likely to come from scum.
Scum reasons:
Blending with another player.
Sheeping a teammate.
Town reasons:
Getting a Wagon started (I already explained why this one's not possible, you would've done it with your first vote if that was your intention).
Reaction Test (Seems to be your explanation, but a reaction test stops being one when everyone knows what's coming).
In post 30, knightmare wrote:Also - why does it matter that I made an RVS vote before switching?
I refuse to believe that a Town player would just go "Hey let's vote a random person" and one hour later goes "Oh hey let's randomly sheep this person instead for reactions". Once again, why didn't you do it with your first vote? What made you change your approach this game in that 1 hour time frame? seems a little quick...I bloom in spring?
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In post 34, knightmare wrote:1) Again, you cannot tell me how I would've used my vote. The fact I made an RVS before wagoning doesn't mean shit. You are reaching.
2) I did want to generate discussion/reactions, and it's worked. You bit and now others can weigh in on our interactions.
1) Ok let's see:
In post 15, texcat wrote:Last time I played with Expedience, I remember voting for that feather in his cap, and I'm tempted to do it again. But instead I'll vote for another piece of ridiculous head apparel.
VOTE: Boonskiies
All of these were perfectly fine for sheeping, yet you didn't you only did so later.
2) I "bit"? That's funny since i could've completely ignored your vote, instead i engaged you on it by asking you a question, something that can't actually be ignored.
Now on another subject:
@Anyone townreading me: Why? I haven't done even anything remotely townie (unless you count my interactions with knight townie and if so why?)
P-Edit:Garmr wrote:I'm liking sakura hana for town don't think I need to really expand on why.
What if i want you to expand on why?I bloom in spring?
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In post 67, Garmr wrote:also what's your thoughts on lowell?
His OMGUS vote was the first thign that caught my attention, but also was accompanied by a defiant tone, thought it was townie back then. Haven't looked at all the votes on the wagon so far, it's just that suddenly sayaka and boon voted in succession and gave me a chill. Probably my gut trying to tell me something.
I still dont think Knight's very townie, but if he is the people that blindly sheeped me would be the first ppl i would look at... I usually have trouble convincing ppl of my reads since they come from gut most of the time, and ppl just blindly sheeping me gives me a bad feeling.I bloom in spring?
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In post 84, Lowell wrote:I'm a gut player, and my gut is always* right about these things.
I am a gut player too, and my gut currently disagrees with the speed of the wagon considering when my gut is right the person i want to lynch is almost impossible to lynch.I bloom in spring?
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In post 88, Madonna wrote:unless you think knightmare is a mislynch?
Yeah, that was about it. I've explained it afterwards as "i rarely get sheeped this easily and it's usually impossible to get my suspects lynched" (usually not even past my own vote).
Hence why i said it was giving me the chills, a.k.a i had a bad feeling about it.I bloom in spring?
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In post 77, knightmare wrote:her trying to say I could be scum sheeping a partner in Smith is a gigantic leap in logic for that stage of the game.
This part.
You asked me to show you the scum motivation behind your actions, i went and showed every possible scum reason and town reason i could think of, and showed why the town reasons werent possible, yet you spun it around as it being the sole reason i was pushing you.I bloom in spring?
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In post 113, mhsmith0 wrote:PPS Did you notice that the only person who hasn't posted since the confirms went in was the scum I caught? Why abandon such a clear winning wagon?
Red Flag here, the game hasn't been open for 24 hours, what's the correlation between time of posting and scumminess?I bloom in spring?
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@Expedience i dont take back anything i said, feel free to vote me if you thought those posts were unsincere and reachy respectively.
@GoodLord: What you said in 127 is false. The only thing that could be more or less "attacking" would be my post on: 98 which was something i forgot to address earlier so i brought it later.I bloom in spring?
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Your question in full was this:
In post 88, Madonna wrote:Why do you state worry about sheeps instead challenging them? Why not be happy with their votesunless you think knightmare is a mislynch?
The part in bold is the part i quoted because it's pretty much the answer to your own question.
As for your new question:
In post 69, Sakura Hana wrote:In post 67, Garmr wrote:also what's your thoughts on lowell?
His OMGUS vote was the first thign that caught my attention, but also was accompanied by a defiant tone, thought it was townie back then. Haven't looked at all the votes on the wagon so far, it's just thatsuddenly sayaka and boon voted in succession and gave me a chill.Probably my gut trying to tell me something.
I still dont think Knight's very townie, but if he is the people that blindly sheeped me would be the first ppl i would look at... I usually have trouble convincing ppl of my reads since they come from gut most of the time, and ppl just blindly sheeping me gives me a bad feeling.
You seem to have skipped over it.
Neither of them have been posted since i pointed my finger here.I bloom in spring?
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In post 137, Madonna wrote:In post 135, Sakura Hana wrote:Your question in full was this:
In post 88, Madonna wrote:Why do you state worry about sheeps instead challenging them? Why not be happy with their votesunless you think knightmare is a mislynch?
The part in bold is the part i quoted because it's pretty much the answer to your own question.
As for your new question:
In post 69, Sakura Hana wrote:In post 67, Garmr wrote:also what's your thoughts on lowell?
His OMGUS vote was the first thign that caught my attention, but also was accompanied by a defiant tone, thought it was townie back then. Haven't looked at all the votes on the wagon so far, it's just thatsuddenly sayaka and boon voted in succession and gave me a chill.Probably my gut trying to tell me something.
I still dont think Knight's very townie, but if he is the people that blindly sheeped me would be the first ppl i would look at... I usually have trouble convincing ppl of my reads since they come from gut most of the time, and ppl just blindly sheeping me gives me a bad feeling.
You seem to have skipped over it.
Neither of them have been posted since i pointed my finger here.
Yeah, no. You have stated discomfort with the wagon you started because of the other players who joined. This is passive, not active. If the other players were an issue, voting or trying to engage them is an active method of addressing the issue. It seems to me that your main scumspect pool should be: chilledtea, Boonskiies, Sayaka Maizono, Lowell, and Almost50. Heck, you narrowed it down to Sayaka Maizona and Boonskiies. However, I do not see you engaging any of these players. You instead bemoan that you cannot refute Expedience's reasoning to vote you. This is bad; amend.
knightmare's defensive and emotional walls were off-putting. Not sure if I want to lynch this person, but it may be sympathy holding me back.
Lowell is both terrible and fine. He is the non-sympathy in my heart.
If I were to buy into Sakura Hana's innocence, and I have made no purchases, mind you, I would think the other members of the knightmare wagon are a fine place to begin. However, I do agree it is late and they can be looked at tomorrow. For now,
VOTE: Sakura Hana
So is it your opinion that i should've been engaging the players instead of waiting until they reply to me pointing the finger at them?
Sorry but i dont play the way other people want me to play.
In post 141, Expedience wrote:In post 133, Sakura Hana wrote:Dang, I was hoping to find some sort of issue with Expedience's reasoning, and the part that isn't true is about the sincerity of those posts, yet i can't seem to find a way to prove that, or probably im just too tired.
What's this supposed to mean?
You don't really think knightmare is scum, but you think I wouldn't believe you if you just told the truth?
I dont think knightmare is scum since like 2-3 pages ago.
I also unvoted because I thought the wagon buildup was too fast.
If you think im lying there's nothing I can do to show you differently, so im not even gonna bother.I bloom in spring?
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Also i love how goodlord says this:
In post 122, Goodlordwill wrote:K, read (well, skimmed) everything, and every part of my gut and brain is screaming that knight is town.I will defend him not to the death, but at least to the slight inconvenience!
Yet he has said nothing about the people actually scumreading and voting him, but goes after someone that's no longer scumreading him.
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In post 152, Almost50 wrote:Also, I've got a question: Do we know anything specific about the setup? Like, do we know exactly how many mafia players to expect? Whether there could be an SK? Any particular roles that are guaranteed to exist?? etc..?
Not really, since the setup is fully closed, mafia members are usually about 25% of the playerlist more or less.I bloom in spring?
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In post 175, Lowell wrote:See that's how you wagon. With conviction!
Now do that same thing again, but on someone scummy.
Nice to know that's all you got to say.I bloom in spring?
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Ok let's break it down then:
In post 84, Lowell wrote:No but really, this guy is scum. I'm a gut player, and my gut is always* right about these things.
Very great reasoning there i'm totally gonna follow up on this reasoning.
In post 84, Lowell wrote:The entirety of his ISO is him getting madder and madder while trying to look calm and collected.
Words without examples are mud slinging.
(How do you even see whether he's "getting mad" while "being calm"?)
In post 84, Lowell wrote:Even the latest few "let me put together a ponderous, methodical case on some rube to look like I'm helping" reeks of scum.
Once again, no quotes or examples.
If this is an example of a "great post" then all of knightmare's ISO would be the pinacle of amazing posting.I bloom in spring?
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In post 180, Madonna wrote:Why would they reply to what you call a finger? You get people's attention with questions directed @them or a vote. This is a terribly passive approach to those you consider questionable in comparison to the wagon for which you properly argued before bailing on it.
Ok, so let's see
FOS: BOOON
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In post 36, Boonskiies wrote:Alright, but actually. Way too defensive already. It's page 2. Hot damn.
In post 42, Boonskiies wrote:I didn't say it's why I voted you. I completely RVS'd. It's page 2, why would you get lynched...?
What's with your reasoning here.I bloom in spring?
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In post 196, Madonna wrote:You are clearly going places, Sakura Hana.
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In post 206, Madonna wrote:In post 199, Boonskiies wrote:I don't have any reads yet. I don't have reasons for doing anything. I'm waiting for stuff to happen.
Welcome to Boonskiies, you poor souls.
Life is better when he is already on a wagon you join versus later, since he will happily quickhammer just about anything. So be careful with your L-1's.
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In post 250, Boonskiies wrote:@Sakura - how do you feel about Almost being the L-2 vote multiple times? What's your read on almost?
Town, I agree with the notion of coalescing people instead of splitting everyone. He was voting a scumread he thought needed pressure then jumped to another one with more votes, what's wrong about that?.
Also when you guys decide to stop arguing can we lynch scum Lowell? thx.I bloom in spring?
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In post 278, Lowell wrote:Stop asking questions: vote mhsmith. I promise it'll get hilarious as we get close to lynch. I can tell he's the type.
What the heck? Stop asking questions and just vote? deadline is in a little less than 2 weeks, why would we rush a lynch when there's still lots of discussion to be had, for instance, the lack of your explanation for anything?I bloom in spring?
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In post 280, Madonna wrote:why did she eventually move on elsewhere?
If you aren't even gonna bother reading my posts, then im not even gonna bother answering your questions, this question i've answered a bunch of times before.I bloom in spring?
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In post 276, Lowell wrote:Also he's weirdly sensitive about pushing people to L-2. Which, on D1 especially, is a dumb thing to be sensitive about.
Since you brought this up, what's your opinion on boonskiies?I bloom in spring?
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Hey guys this is why we should lynch Lowell
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In post 316, Lowell wrote:Yes, I'm VERY worried about it. There's nothing I like less than when a wagon forms, gets close, and then people just start to weasel themselves out of it without any good reason other than "it's too early" or "I want to keep looking" or whatever. Again, this game shouldn't just be pissing around waiting until deadline and then panic-lynching. sakura is probably scum.
Perfect example of scum wanting to end the day quickly so that we get to Day 2 without information, then tries to flip flop the situation making it look like i just want deadline to run out so we end up panic lynching, on which case i've never stated this is the case.I bloom in spring?
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In post 316, Lowell wrote:So how about you address the point I made instead of polishing your mock incredulation act.
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Apparently for someone who says:
In post 84, Lowell wrote:I'm a gut player,
You seem to not understand what's having "a bad feeling" when everyone suddenly jumps into your wagon, specially when you picture if the player you're lynching is scum, scum would do SOMETHING to defend them. I take it you were lying about your gut reads too.I bloom in spring?
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I'm having a hard time figuring out what most people are thinking, I find most of the scumreads nonsensical and is making me struggle to see who's genuine and who isn't, it doesnt help that some of those people dont even bother as much as of explaining why their reads change, remember it's very easy to fake reads and read changes, but hard to substantiate them with worthwhile evidence (a.k.a post quotes from the thread like... hello, what i've been saying all this time). The only person here that i've seen try to achieve some sort of TEAMWORK is Almost50, and for trying to achieve such TEAMWORK he's being SCUMREAD, like what the fuck? I don't even... while all my mafia life i've seen ppl that are stubborn and refuse to cooperate, i have never seen ppl that are actually trying to achieve town unity be scumread for... trying to achieve town unity. Like i dont even...I bloom in spring?
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In post 349, mhsmith0 wrote:@Sakura: My intuition is that "trying to achieve town unity" is null, not town. I think there's a lot of room for scum to hide behind "town unity" since they have to make fewer decisions, and can potentially fake their way into that "town unity" group. And I'd read A50's efforts along those lines as fake. I owe him a re-read given his responses.
PS If you think my theory here on "town unity" efforts being null is bunk, please let me know why. I've put effort into learning theory, but it's entirely possible I've missed something important.
There's 2 major things:
The first is that chaos benefits scum, when town runs around like headless chickens the chance of mislynches are far greater, so any scum trying to achieve town unity on their own are playing against their win condition and cornering themselves into more trouble later (since they will get found out anyways with PoE and all that), there's literally no late game benefit for scum to do this so early since they reduce their possible mislynches and help town get together.
The second, is that as much as what anything is said, technically everything can be faked, tho it depends on the skill of the player at lying.
Now, on the other subject, the votes you've been complaining about for "being only for pressure", regardless of what the player's intent is behind a vote, a vote is a vote, a vote indicates you want the player dead, and a player with a large ammount of votes on them is going to show their true colors (this was mentioned earlier by A50, but i reiterate it because apparently it has gotten in your head yet), you cant achieve a large ammount of votes without town unity, because if everyone pursues only their scumreads i doubt anyone would go beyond 3 votes.
What A50 has done is not only this, has also explained the reasoning why he's doing it, he's also explained why the player he's voting needs to be pressured and he's also explained that town needs to achieve unity. These are the characteristics of a town member, scum hunting, by getting town together to add pressure and analysing after.
Now let's look at Lowell, which is similar but different, he also intends to achieve wagons going, however he's not achieving them for the purpose of analysing the player he's achieving them for the purpose of killing the player and... as you may have already noticed, ending the day early with barely any discussion, notice how he jumped at me and scumread me when i pointed out that we still had time and there was no need to rush, it is 100% a scum mindset trying to make others think that the way he's doing things is right... oh also the fact that he seems like impossible to lynch, because, you know, scum has these things called partners.
Now a question for you, what is the issue with putting a player you're scumreading at L-2? Despite he saying that the player needs more pressure (i.e. Lowell) it's a fact that he's stated that you need to vote the player with the largest wagon whom you are scumreading, that's his way of thinking, while i usually dont vote someone unless I have no issues seeing that player dead, that doesnt mean everyone has to think that way, for instance, when Madonna specified that votes arent meant for reaction tests, etc but for killing the player, you disagreed.
tl;dr: A50 doesnt get much benefit from doing what he's doing as scum because it'll hurt him lategame. Differentiate the difference between a difference in alignment and a difference in playstyle.
Sorry that ended up way longer than intended, but i wanted to make my point clear.
I'll probably will move back to Lowell but i need to review everyone else.I bloom in spring?
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Other than that...
Sayaka
Expedience
texcat
What have these people done?
Sayaka hasn't had any scumreads since she started townreading Knight, and the only worthwhile things she's done is her explanation of why knightmare was scum way back then and why im town.
I haven't seen Expedience do anything other than present his reasoning for me scum after a naked vote
And i cant remember a thing texcat's done.I bloom in spring?
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That's the one, it may not be a super huge town case, but cases dont necessarily need to be like 5 paragraph's long. I showed why he wasn't scum and if he was he would be found out later anyway, but why his current attitude was bleeding town everywhere.I bloom in spring?
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Also wtf is even this:
In post 374, Boonskiies wrote:@Sakura - I made my points; you made yours. What else is there to say about it now.
If you really think A50 is scum, why would you just dismiss my town case on him? Why not go through my points and re-evaluate or refute them? Do you not want to convince ppl to lynch him?I bloom in spring?
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Funnily enough tho both CT andLowell* have jumped on a higher number of wagons, in addition Sayaka wasnt really a wagon when A50 voted her iirc.
A50's vote progression:
Himself > Knightmare > Sayaka > Lowell
CT's vote progression:
Knightmare > Sayaka > Madonna > Lowell > Smith > Lowell
Lowell's vote progression:
Garmr > Knightmare > Smith > Texcat
Why does the ammount of vote change matters?
How do you feel about Lowell voting you right after smith presents some suspicion on you?
A50 has expressed clear reads, he's obviously not voting anything that moves, otherwise i'd agree with you, any comments on A50's reads?
What are YOUR reads?
* After checking ISOs Lowell has changed votes as many times as A50.I bloom in spring?
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In post 383, texcat wrote:It looks to me like he joined the wagon in 162, just to join the wagon. He never explains that he thinks Lowell is scum, he just wants a big wagon for the pressure. I don't think randomly applying pressure is a town trait. Nor do I think it builds town unity.
So you call good votes on ppl when you dont scumread them?
I don't think he was "randomly" applying pressure, look at his ISO again.I bloom in spring?
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In post 421, Expedience wrote:I'm still not sure about Lowell, so I don't want to move to night yet.
Be careful, Lowell might come after your head for "wanting to prolong the day and end up panic lynching"I bloom in spring?
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