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[chilledtea]

VOTE: chilledtea

Hot tea is better.

I think we just found our first conf scum guys. Clear indication of lying - lynch all liars.

VOTE: knightmare

[Sakura Hana]

For reactions.

Do you think it's alignment indicative?

Good enough for my first vote at the very least.
Why did you change your RVS vote to sheep an RVS vote?
If you wanted a wagon you'd have done that on your very first vote.

[knightmare]

That's not an answer to the question, and your last statement is irrelevant because it's not a fact.

I did it because I was amused by smith's reason and knew it would generate reactions. Simple enough. I'd say it's done the job thus far.

So I ask you again - is it scummy? I would like you to explain this one.

[Sakura Hana]

So I ask you again - is it scummy? I would like you to explain this one.

Well ok since my answer wasnt obvious enough then:

Yes, otherwise i wouldn't have voted you.

There I even bolded it for you.
To me it looks weird because you obviously didnt want to start a wagon since you had chance to do so with your first vote.
Second, "i was looking for reactions" is not that valid of a reason, specially when you already said so, if you were looking for reactions you wouldn't have said so.
So I wask again, why?

[knightmare]

Ok - explain why it is more likely to come from scum.

You can't really say my reason isn't valid. You asked me why I did it and I gave you my answer. If you don't like it then idk what to tell you lol. Again, you're presenting

opinions

as if they are facts which isn't good play in the very least. I was amused by smith's joke vote and figured sheeping it to get something started was better than doing nothing.

Does it matter that I picked his over someone else's? Who would've been a better wagon to vote on prior to that?

[knightmare]

Also - why does it matter that I made an RVS vote before switching?

[Sakura Hana]

Ok - explain why it is more likely to come from scum.

Scum reasons:
Blending with another player.
Sheeping a teammate.

Town reasons:
Getting a Wagon started (I already explained why this one's not possible, you would've done it with your first vote if that was your intention).
Reaction Test (Seems to be your explanation, but a reaction test stops being one when everyone knows what's coming).

Also - why does it matter that I made an RVS vote before switching?

I refuse to believe that a Town player would just go "Hey let's vote a random person" and one hour later goes "Oh hey let's randomly sheep this person instead for reactions". Once again, why didn't you do it with your first vote? What made you change your approach this game in that 1 hour time frame? seems a little quick...

[Sakura Hana]

Also no "i found his >rvs< reasoning funny" isnt a good reason.

[knightmare]

Also no "i found his >rvs< reasoning funny" isnt a good reason.

Considering the state of the game at the time, it was good enough of a reason. I don't need some deep thought process to sheep someone's joke vote. That's a stupid point for you to make.

[knightmare]

Ok - explain why it is more likely to come from scum.

Scum reasons:
Blending with another player.
Sheeping a teammate.

Town reasons:
Getting a Wagon started (I already explained why this one's not possible, you would've done it with your first vote if that was your intention).
Reaction Test (Seems to be your explanation, but a reaction test stops being one when everyone knows what's coming).

1) Blending in by doing an action that directly lead to me getting attention? Seems counter productive.
2) Huge reach at this point. There's literally no evidence to suggest this.

You are straw manning the Hell out of this case.

1) Again, you cannot tell me how I would've used my vote. The fact I made an RVS before wagoning doesn't mean shit. You are reaching.
2) I did want to generate discussion/reactions, and it's worked. You bit and now others can weigh in on our interactions.

Also - why does it matter that I made an RVS vote before switching?

I refuse to believe that a Town player would just go "Hey let's vote a random person" and one hour later goes "Oh hey let's randomly sheep this person instead for reactions". Once again, why didn't you do it with your first vote? What made you change your approach this game in that 1 hour time frame? seems a little quick...

Timeframe is irrelevant. It really makes no difference that I made an RVS vote before wagoning someone because the purpose is still the same.

"Refuse to believe" ? That's a rather hard line to take so early in the game when your reasons for me being scum aren't that good in the first place. Not sure if you're scum or just extremely subjective in your scum hunting, but either way it's not a good look.

I would like some others to get involved at this point.

[Boonskiies]

VOTE: Knight

Didn't feel like reading his last post. LOL

[Boonskiies]

Alright, but actually. Way too defensive already. It's page 2. Hot damn.

[Sayaka Maizono]

Ynaut
VOTE: knightmare

[FA_Q2]

VoteCount 1.1

With 13 players alive, it takes

7

votes to lynch someone.

Sayaka Maizono (0):

Almost50 (1):

Almost50

Sakura Hana (0):

Lowell (1):

Garmr

mhsmith0 (0):

texcat (0):

Garmr (1):

Lowell

Boonskiies (1):

texcat

Madonna (0):

Goodlordwill (2):

mhsmith0, knightmare

knightmare (4):

Sakura Hana, chilledtea, Boonskiies, Sayaka Maizono

(L-3)

chilledtea (0):

Expedience (0):

Not Voting (3):

Madonna, Goodlordwill, Expedience

The deadline is in

(expired on 2016-03-30 06:00:00)

[Sakura Hana]

All these people sheeping me are giving me the chills however...

[knightmare]

Alright, but actually. Way too defensive already. It's page 2. Hot damn.

Defensiveness isn't a scum tell.

Townies and scum don't want to get lynched either way. I'm gonna call out bad reasons regardless. This counts as one.

[knightmare]

Ynaut
VOTE: knightmare

Anything else you wanna add?

[Boonskiies]

Alright, but actually. Way too defensive already. It's page 2. Hot damn.

Defensiveness isn't a scum tell.

Townies and scum don't want to get lynched either way. I'm gonna call out bad reasons regardless. This counts as one.

I didn't say it's why I voted you. I completely RVS'd. It's page 2, why would you get lynched...?

[mhsmith0]

Alright, but actually. Way too defensive already. It's page 2. Hot damn.

Defensiveness isn't a scum tell.

Townies and scum don't want to get lynched either way. I'm gonna call out bad reasons regardless. This counts as one.

My understanding was the defensiveness WAS a scum tell. Not a "only scum do it" thing but something that leans scum more than town. Am I off base here? Admitted newbie (this is my third game and first participating in RVS) so maybe my theory background is weaker than I thought, so please do correct me if I'm mistaken.

[chilledtea]

Defensiveness over minor things is a scum tell imo.

[Boonskiies]

Alright, but actually. Way too defensive already. It's page 2. Hot damn.

Defensiveness isn't a scum tell.

Townies and scum don't want to get lynched either way. I'm gonna call out bad reasons regardless. This counts as one.

My understanding was the defensiveness WAS a scum tell. Not a "only scum do it" thing but something that leans scum more than town. Am I off base here? Admitted newbie (this is my third game and first participating in RVS) so maybe my theory background is weaker than I thought, so please do correct me if I'm mistaken.

You are correct. I actually do believe defensiveness leans more scum. Especially if scum thinks they are caught and shouldn't be.

[Boonskiies]

I feel as if town's 'defensiveness' comes out of scum hunting rather than defending oneself.

[chilledtea]

VOTE: Sayaka Maizono

[knightmare]

I didn't say it's why I voted you. I completely RVS'd. It's page 2, why would you get lynched...?

This wasn't clear from the way you made your posts. I took your second as the reason for your vote.

[knightmare]

You are correct. I actually do believe defensiveness leans more scum. Especially if scum thinks they are

caught and shouldn't be.

I still disagree. I think townies are just as likely to attack bad cases against them. I've caught a lot go scum for this very thing when they push BS reasons for scum reads.