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In post 73, Dwlee99 wrote:Is being an asshole a scum tell? Can someone tell me?
I find it usually to be the opposite, although I hate to hand out reads for that because I don't want to encourage people to annoy me.-
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In post 100, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 66, Dierfire wrote:DWL is Town and easy to lynch. Players voting DWL are therefore more likely to be Mafia.
UNVOTE: BBT
VOTE: Keyser
Why are you speaking in absolutes?
"DWL is Town"
DWL is "easy to lynch"
"Players voting DWL are therefore more likely to be Mafia"
I don't like this logic at all - it feels unnatural.
I'm not sure what this question about absolutes is. Do you mean to ask why I said that DWL is Town without a word like "probably" in there? I didn't feel that I needed such a word there. Were you worried that I was saying it because I knew him to be Town, because I was Mafia?
I think that the logic is very natural. I will break it down. Town players vote for those they believe to be Mafia. Mafia players vote for those they know to be Town (except when voting players they know to be Mafia, which is presumably less frequent). So, if I believe a player to be Town (such as DWL), others voting for that player are more likely to be Mafia than are others voting for some other player.
In post 140, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 66, Dierfire wrote:DWL is Town and easy to lynch. Players voting DWL are therefore more likely to be Mafia.
UNVOTE: BBT
VOTE: Keyser
I feel this is a weak reason. I did not like how that sentence was constructed. "easy to lynch" - what part of Dwlee99's play iseasy to lynch? His vote on me had a logical fallacy feeling to it.
"Player A is easy to lynch, therefore Player B who voted for Player A is more likely scum" :?
Still waiting for Dierfire's comments.
Whoah, hey! I'm not sure that "still" is an appropriate word for your wait until at least 12 hours have passed since your question.
I say that DWL is easy to lynch because I played with him before and he was lynched fairly easily (he was Mafia, his partner helped).
Also, a bit of a continuation of the above--players voting for those I read as Town are more likely to be Mafia than are players voting for those I read as Null or Mafia. That's the theory, anyway. I suspect that you agree with this theory, because you are analyzing the votes on your wagon.-
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I find the wagon on Garmr to be weakly reasoned. Pistachion's reasons were weakest.
I thought that Mykonian's case on Hieirama was better than his case on Garmr was.
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Why did you post a read on me that included only my RVS vote and the wagon on me? What about the serious things that I posted?
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In post 84, herrcombs wrote:Wait HOLD ON. I was just about to reply to Garmr's
In post 72, Garmr wrote:Also what's this bs about calling someone town. I said I don't see anything scummy yet.
because I was pretty sure Garmr's 24 was an indirect reponse to Lalendra's 22, so he was in effect defending me. But "nothing scummy" != "town". Mykonian, why did you claim he was "trying to call someone town" in your 37? I think you should address this.
pedit @ DWL: OK I get it dude, I'm not going to push this any further because I feel like we're going in circles.
pedit2: Yeah, I can see where you're coming from Myko (re: Hieirama), but I'm not done with you. I'd also like to know why you delayed your vote on Garmr until he voted you first. And this coming from someone who called another player worthless in part for their OMGUS vote earlier...
I thought that the timing on this post is a bit weird. The "pedit2" is for a post from nearly 20 minutes prior to this one.
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Garmr's vote on you?
In post 72, Garmr wrote:
honestly I use that word a lot it features in all my recent games. Also what's this bs about calling someone town. I said I don't see anything scummy yet. You seem like your reaching so have my vote.In post 37, mykonian wrote:we could be out of rvs right now.
You know, why not.
Garmr already committed a scumtell trying to call someone town. There's no need for the word "honestly" there, it only makes sense from a point where scum is trying to think like town. The word "honestly" implies that he comes from a setting where he was prepared to lie this game, then found a situation where it wasn't necessary. Add to this that he's stepping in to protect someone from an accusation and that little sentence becomes quite damning. Buddying and at the same time showing off his mindset is scummy.
So dwlee, are we out of rvs? :)
VOTE: mycorana
I thought that it was fine--not a particularly strong case but not a particularly weak one for that point in the game.-
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Hieirama's reaction to your accusation--which one?
I could see this one coming from Mafia:
In post 89, Hieirama wrote:Should I go back to lurking or?
This one seems to combine confidence and insecurity:
In post 118, Hieirama wrote:Heh.
I made that readlist, you're right, to contribute a little bit more than a one-liner. I'm not sure how that's scum-oriented?
I'm not being helpful if all my opinions are all jumbled in my head. So why not share it, even if it's minor?
This is the fastest pace game I've played in. I do hate missing the boat.
I'd read the confidence as fake. I could see that from Mafia.-
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Keyser's vote for Hieirama?
I thought that it was pretty good. He certainly presents some corroborating evidence for the case that you presented, anyway.
In post 124, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 115, mykonian wrote:so soze. You are still sitting on a dwlee vote. This seems outdated. Not saying you should vote garmr.But at least vote hier then who more or less claimed scum with her reply.
Scum-lean read on Hieirama.
By post 76, Hieirama posted an extensive positive/null/negative "vibes" list based on everyone's posts (reads based on posts <#67).
Why positive/negative "vibes" and arunning narrativeon events, why not call them town/scum reads? He only committed giving a "Slight Town-Lean" to herrcombs. Noted.
In post 76, Hieirama wrote:I'm still trying to comprehend what's going on… These quick reads and half-joking remarks are throwing me off.
I'll try anyway. No use for me if I just sit to the side.
"I'll try anyway. No use for me if I just sit to the side."- I am uncomfortable with this soliloquy, feels like this reads/vibes list has been tough work for Hieirama to express (and has maybe been posted a little too early).
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Too many posts...
Garmr claimed BP. I dislike this. It's a poor time for a claim and a suspicious sort of claim to make. I don't want to say that it's so obviously a bad idea for a Town player that it could only come from a Town player, but...
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Other things...
Implosion seems Town to me. Did I say that already? I'll agree with his opinion of DWL (Town but not helpful right now).
I think that I want to hear more from Lalendra. Not making cases is fine; not making cases while also not asking questions is too passive.
Oh, Felissan came back! The vote on Hieirama was good and most of the reasoning seemed good (about the posts feeling uneasy). This was less good:
In post 224, Felissan wrote:I'd like to put a bit more pressure on him, hence my vote.
It feels a bit defensive, like an attempt to gain distance from the case.-
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In post 246, Haschel Cedricson wrote:
Now this is interesting. Herr calls out Dwlee for manipulating mykonian's words, but then votes for mykonian for tone reasons. Don't like this one bit.
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Alright, Townreads are mykonian, implosion, Garmr, and Herrcombs.Unvote: Herrcombs
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In post 283, Lalendra wrote:In post 265, Dwlee99 wrote:UNVOTE: Lalendra
The list has arrived~
Back to Garmr for the reasons I was already on the wagon before I switched to Lalendra.
VOTE: Garmr
I am so confused right now. Did you literally just vote Garmr, then unvote him once you understood that I was just PLing him? Why does my vote inform yours in any way, since you were "already on the wagon"? Did I miss something or is this just incredibly weird?
In post 284, Dwlee99 wrote:Cause now I feel like Garmr's posts are townie and so I'm less sure of Garmr being scum. Gotta think.
In post 286, Dwlee99 wrote:I removed my vote on Keyser cause there was no way to get a wagon on it. He's still my major scum read but if no one agrees there's no point in me being super stubborn over it and insisting to vote keyser which would just piss everyone off.
I don't know about the garmr lynch. I am doubting that read because I liked their read on lalendra (after I found out I totally misread lalendra's post)
I don't see why Lalendra would try to put a vote out and then just be like 'Oh, well, don't think I'm suspicious when he flips cause policy lynch.' This also made me doubt my read on Garmr because why would scum!lalendra make a policy lynch vote on scum!garmr?
I feel confident in this vote.
VOTE: Lalendra
This is an interesting interaction. DWL was temporarily voting for Lalendra before, too, (for lurking?) before switching to Garmr.
I'm making a note to check this out again if either of them ever flips Mafia.-
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In post 287, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'm not seeing the Dier town read - talk to me about it. Everything he is posting feels off to me and I can usually read Dier as town pretty quickly.
Ha ha, you think you know me? I think that, of games we've both played Day One, you've voted for me more times than not (although I checked 1669 again, and you came around faster than I remembered).-
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In post 301, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I think I want to lynch inside of Pistachion, Dier and Felissan.
Say, why not Lalendra? You had only negative things to say in 293.-
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In post 337, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I think I can read you pretty well, yeah.
This is true enough that now I'm wondering whether BBT is Mafia rather than simply wrong.-
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In post 324, Dierfire wrote:Ha ha, you think you know me?I think that, of games we've both played Day One, you've voted for me more times than not (although I checked 1669 again, and you came around faster than I remembered).
The underlined was more of a joke than actually questioning your abilities.
I acknowledge that you usually end up reading me correctly. We'll see, I guess.-
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Sure, that sounds reasonable.
Garmris probably Town, I think. I definitely don't believe that the use of "honestly" is relevant, and the claim makes less sense from a Mafia player than from a Town player. Still, Mykonian was reading to me as Town as well, so I'd look elsewhere on his wagon for Mafia players.
Haschelhasn't done anything that makes me want to cast a vote, but I'm not reading him as Town, either.
Implosionis logical enough. His reads on Garmr and Mykonian are in tune with mine, and his interaction with DWL around the claim was solid. He's my best bet for Town on my wagon (actually, did Lelandra ever get around to following your instructions for a vote?).
DWLis likely Town, although a bit jumpy over the potential association with Lelandra. I'd hesitate to endorse many of his reads, but maybe he'll find his feet later.
Felissanhas been flying below my radar. I wouldn't mind hearing more from him.
Herrcombs, too, doesn't feature much in my notes. I guess that I like the English-to-English translator thing that he's got going on--it feels reasonably Town-motivated.
Hieiramaremains suspicious to me, mostly for seeming too defensive in interactions with Mykonian.
Mykonianseems to be stuck in a tunnel, but I'd read him as Town.
Lelandracertainly bears watching. Voting for Garmr without actually reading him as Mafia is troubling, though now I need to reference that against Hieirama's activity.
Pistachionis moderately suspicious. Unlike some of the others (Felissan, Herrcombs), the relative lack of content feels more intentional, and if I decide that you're not Mafia, Pistachion would be a good bet for Mafia on Garmr's wagon.
Keyserhas been absent for a long time. I was feeling good about him before he left, though.
That brings me to you! Figuring out whether you're wrong or Mafia will be an exciting journey for both of us, I'm sure.
So, overall, I feel that I'm doing better reading Town than Mafia, but I'd be suspicious of Mafia taking a relatively inactive approach (as I suspect all major wagons have been on Town so far). Hieirama, Lelandra, and Pistachion are the ones that I most want to watch.-
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In post 359, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Do you believe being defensive is a trait reserved exclusively for scum?
Can you explain what makes you think I'm scum?
Is this for me? Doesn't matter--I'll answer it anyway.
I do not believe that being defensive is a trait that belongs definitively to Mafia players.
Other than your sudden inability to read me, I guess that the best evidence would be your vote on Garmr and your subsequent move off when the wagon got stuck.-
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In post 303, Hieirama wrote:In post 224, Felissan wrote:
For now, my vote will go somewhere completely different...
VOTE: Hieirama
The wording in some of his posts just has a feel of uneasy scum (constantly insisting on whether his play is scummy or not, worrying too much about not doing enough) - I mainly think of these lines:
In post 118, Hieirama wrote:I made that readlist, you're right, to contribute a little bit more than a one-liner. I'm not sure how that's scum-oriented?
In post 168, Hieirama wrote:Scum can casually give opinions on recent events too, though, its not just a Town thing.
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Kind of. I'll restate it: "I'll attempt to form an analysis even though I don't fully get what's going on, because it's much better than lurking around."
I'd like to put a bit more pressure on him, hence my vote.
I totally skipped past this post lol.
Hmm, I meant to question why my actions seemed scummy, not insist I wasn't.
I get the second part. I do want contribute as much as possible.
Look at this post for reference. Why does Hieirama need to respond to Felissan here? Wouldn't it be better to go do something active, rather than responding to an old vote?
To me, Hieirama seems very concerned with the way that the other players read Hieirama.-
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In post 362, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Why would I move off of Garmr as scum?
The wagon wasn't moving. If you're Mafia, then I guess that you wanted to simulate activity rather than sitting on a stuck wagon?-
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1. I was going to say that Hieirama seemed nervous and overly preoccupied with responding to everyone that mentioned Hieirama. However, I just noticed that Hieirama has responded somewhat selectively to being mentioned. Let's see...89 features responses to Herrcombs, Mykonian, and DWL. There's a response to Keyser and to me in 168. Hieirama does address some questions from you in 252, but neglects to respond to Lalendra's 259. I'm not really sure what to make of that.
2. No, see, that sounds like something crazy that someone trying to misrepresent my read would say.-
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In post 368, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:If that's not what you're implying then I fail to see how you can justify your scum read on me based on the reasoning that I got off the Garmr wagon. Can you clarify for me?
I see the problem. I collapsed a few things into this:
In post 361, Dierfire wrote:Other than your sudden inability to read me, I guess that the best evidence would be your vote on Garmr and your subsequent move off when the wagon got stuck.
It's not the fact that you removed the vote that would make me suspicious, it was the mechanism.
You said these things:
In post 291, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Tbh, I'm kind of just hoping the vig shoots you so we can find out what's going on.
In post 301, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I think I want to lynch inside of Pistachion, Dier and Felissan.
UNVOTE:
In post 311, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Because I felt like I was borderline policy-lynching him. His claim will sort itself out at some point, if not, we can look at it another time.
I also disliked some of the jumps onto his wagon and I want to have a look at the many people who are flying under the radar.
In post 337, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I don't know - I just got cold feet about the whole thing. You're right, the claim doesn't make sense - but I also believe Garmr is capable of a much better fake-claim if he were scum.
In the first one, the sentiment feels wrong (why should a Vig shoot a player that you wouldn't lynch?); in the next two, the timing is wrong with the lynch targets that you outlined (Pistachion voted for Garmr immediately after you did, and neither Felissan nor I voted for Garmr at all) For the last two, those thoughts on the claim are coming a bit late.
I don't know. I was going to say that I was still more suspicious of those other players, but now I'm wondering whether I can talk myself into this.-
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In post 374, herrcombs wrote:Dier's 231: He says "Garmr claimed BP. I dislike this." but what he said after that doesn't follow. "I don't want to say that it's so obviously a bad idea for a Town player that it could only come from a Town player, but..." seems like fence sitting, why not give an opinion one way or another which way you view?
Sorry, I was unclear--I'm reading Garmr as Town (see my 360 for clarification). I was saying that I dislike reading people as Town for counterproductive behavior, but in my experience such behavior does tend to come from Town players.
@ Dier's readlist in 357: What makes you think DWL is town? What's the "English-English translator" think you mentioned in your read of me? Why does your read on Lelandra need to be "referenced against Hieirama's activity?"
Regarding DWL: I think that his attitude towards other players reflects not knowing their alignments. Examples include getting hung up on Keyser "manipulating his posts" (157, 159, 163) and his fight with Mykonian (54, 71, 73, among others). To me, he reads as looking hard for suspicious activity, but he's not really trying to manipulate others into following him; he mostly just calls out things that he finds suspicious.
The "English-to-English translator" thing is when two people either don't hear each other well or don't understand each other well, and a third party that hears and understands both sides (and therefore sees where the miscommunication occurs) interjects and fixes the problem. I was referring to examples like these:
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That last one is a good question. I don't really remember why I noted that, but it seemed important at the time. I wrote in my notes that I should specifically be referencing Lalendra's 259, which does mention Hieirama:
In post 259, Lalendra wrote:Hieirama – 76 seems like feigned scumhunting, as pointed out by herrcombs in 169. Could just be noobtown, someone who is trying to figure things out but not really sure where to go, but reads more like noobscum. Not a fan of how 180 only addresses one point out of the many questions she could have chosen to respond to, and then goes on to bring us back to Garmr’s 24. At the same time, in more recent posts, she has explained her reasoning, explained that she is new and may not be interpreting everything correctly, and has made some interesting points, so I'm starting to lean more noobtown.
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Pistachion's reads were somewhat superficial and certainly selective. In the face of previous lack of content that felt more intentional to me (dropping in for a line or two every now and again but not really engaging in meaningful dialogue--335 is a good example of jumping in briefly and then disappearing for another day), I think that it's enough for a vote.
UNVOTE: Hieirama
VOTE: Pistachi0n
Keyser's review also narrowed in on Pistachion quickly. I'd like to see a more complete review from him.-
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In post 451, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 357, Dierfire wrote:
Garmris probably Town, I think. I definitely don't believe that the use of "honestly" is relevant, and the claim makes less sense from a Mafia player than from a Town player. Still, Mykonian was reading to me as Town as well, so I'd look elsewhere on his wagon for Mafia players.
Mykonianseems to be stuck in a tunnel, but I'd read him as Town.
Hey Dier, can we go back to these reads please?
Wanna go take a look at that Garmr wagon and tell me your thoughts on it? Who was scum on his wagon?
Why do you think Myko is town?
Unfortunately, the wagon on Garmr is not captured well by vote counts. Let's see...
In post 251, A Simple Plan wrote:[3] Garmr - mykonian, BlueBloodedToffee, pistachi0n [L-4]
Right before this DWL removed a vote from Garmr (cast in 183, removed in 250). He then comes back in 265.
Right after this Lalendra adds a vote (259).
Is that as far as the wagon went?
I'm still having difficulty sorting you out, so my best guess for Mafia on Garmr's wagon would probably be Lalendra. I like that shuffle from DWL less now than I did before; I should probably stop cutting him so much slack for inexperience.
Why is Mykonian Town? I agreed with his case on Hieirama (82). His decision to stay on Garmr after making that case on Hieirama felt to me like Town on a mission (hence not switching to Hieirama). His vote didn't move much but he was paying attention to other players, and his activity level is high enough for me to give him points for not lurking.-
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Oh, I see that Hieirama beat me to that.
Well, anyway...
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In post 477, Hieirama wrote:Aaand, I think implosion was NKed for being pro-town.
What other reason would there be? See, this sounds like you're just posting to say things rather than to provide us with any real analysis.
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In post 485, Hieirama wrote:I don't get why people don't like how selective pistachi0n's reads were. Simply, he didn't have a read on them, and it can be better to leave them out then to post null fluff. ((I actually made the mistake of posting that kind of fluff earlier, I realize this and I apologize.))
And the lack of content this is a borderline lurking vote...
Withholding opinions is detrimental to the Town and benefits the Mafia. Do you acknowledge this? Also, what is "a borderline lurking vote"?
And then he questions Keyser's reasons for his vote? Keyser's reasons were better than his imo.
Hmm... I'm starting to get why people aren't liking Dier...
I didn't question Keyser's reason for voting, but that's a separate matter. Why do you think that Keyser's reasons were better than mine? Do I understand correctly that you are therefore reading Garmr as Town?-
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In post 428, Dwlee99 wrote:What's stopping you from being proactive TODAY hieirama?
I also am declaring intent to hammer Pistachi0n. He's not even giving a defense of any sort, just that he's an easy mislynch apparently, and his reads list was awful.
Something here feels off to me. Why did you declare intent to hammer while still asking Hieirama to contribute? I know that Garmr dropped a hammer before you, but as you didn't see that coming, these two parts of the post feel contradictory.-
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In post 504, Hieirama wrote:You explained how his lack of contribution to Town was one reason for your vote, right? Posting fluff and not posting enough are two different things. Pista was doing a little bit of both, so I feel like the vote had a bit of "lurk" drive in it.
I'm still not quite getting this. Do you think that either of those things (posting fluff, not posting enough) are bad reasons to cast votes?-
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In post 538, mykonian wrote:In post 536, herrcombs wrote:And I'm not even voting for you.
you could change that! :D
You don't appear to be voting for Garmr, either (if 452 was supposed to be a vote, it didn't get counted).-
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I like Keyser's recent series of posts. I think that lynching Haschel would be better than lynching Garmr, but worse than lynching Hieirama or Lalendra.
UNVOTE: Hieirama
VOTE: Lalendra
@Garmr @Keyser
If you're reading Lalendra as Mafia, I think that you should vote for Lalendra.
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I'd like you to discuss further your impression that either Lalendra is Mafia or Garmr is. Are you equally willing to vote for either?-
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@Hieirama
In post 589, Hieirama wrote:"My opinion still stands"
Past opinion was: "I assume he's Town."
Sorry, didn't feel like typing it out again.
I didn't substantiate it well enough. If you need a clarification, one reason why I Townread him is because his tone sounds like it's at a Town POV.
If you're reading Garmr as Town, then do you think that people voting for him are more likely to be Mafia?-
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I understand that better, thanks! Still, I was hoping that you might do some of that analysis yourself!
Who is most likely to be Mafia on Garmr's wagon? Who is least likely? If, as you say, the Mafia should be trying hard to lynch Garmr, then why have they not yet succeeded? Do you think that they lack the votes (that is, that most of the Mafia players are already voting for Garmr and are therefore unable to add votes to the wagon), or that they are trying to slow the lynch so as to avoid suspicion (that is, that most of the Mafia are not voting for Garmr currently but are planning to do so later)?
EDIT: Yes, those things as well!
EDIT AGAIN: I really have nothing to say about this one, I just wanted to point out that the first edit was about Mykonian's post.-
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In post 624, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Why do you think this is? I don't think you've ever shown much difficulty in working me out before.
Yeah, but you usually you say things that are right!-
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@BBT (So was the previous post)
Say, what's going on with that mangled quote in 625?
Also, you said that you were confidently reading DWL as Town. In that case, which players that were "seriously" pushing the issue of Garmr's hammer did you have in mind here?
In post 624, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I don't know why the quickhammer was scummy and the people who are pushing this seriously need to be looked at. The Day was clearly over.-
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In post 667, Lalendra wrote:Okay, if I'm at L-1 then I guess it's claim time, before Garmr lolhammers again.
Garmr is already on the wagon. This claim feels fake to me.
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Which player did you protect N1?-
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So, having a Doctor and a BP in the same game is not impossible, but does seem a bit defensive to me. I'm also suspicious of the frequency with which our wagons are turning up roles.
If Lalendra is Mafia, the claim was probably designed mostly to dodge the lynch, rather than draw a counter, because the same principle that makes Doctor and BP unlikely to show up together makes it a less useful fake claim for drawing a counter.
If I could be certain that only one of the claims is true, I'd still probably want to lynch Lalendra (because Garmr would be reasonably confirmed if she flips Mafia and would not die immediately).
If both claims are true...well, then I'd want to look very carefully at the distribution of votes.
I wouldn't think that there's any way for neither claim to be true unless we're looking at multiple unfriendly factions.
We've plenty of time to think this through. I'm going to read through again over the next two days since I won't be busy.
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In post 682, Haschel Cedricson wrote:It seems to me the question is if we think a doctor and a bulletproof townie would both be in the same game.
As you didn't remove your vote, I assume that you think not?
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You were absent for these events. What do you think of the wagon dynamics (speed, composition)?-
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@DWL
In post 719, Dwlee99 wrote:From the posts you quoted Garmr I see a scum team between Dier and Lalendra. They are distancing but back tracking to avoid having the lynch go through.
In post 721, Dwlee99 wrote:I think that dier is town.
These don't go together.
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In post 723, Lalendra wrote:I reread Dierfire's ISO and I'm back to FOS'ing him. He asks a lot of questions of other people, but offers very little of his own opinions; it seems like he is just mostly fence-sitting, and offering very wishy-washy opinions, like he's trying to maintain distance from his reads in case he's wrong. I don't get the impression that it's just overly-cautious town play. I'd be comfortable with lynching him today.
This...sounds very fake. I wonder whether you could substantiate these claims further.-
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@BBT
In post 714, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:OK, so are we lynching Dier yet?
I've been fairly tolerant of this so far, but if you're wrong and not lying, then you need to get to work.-
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