Mini Normal 1719 - Flavorless Fun! [Game Over!]

[Dierfire]

Everything other than the claim is bad, and even the claim is suspect.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Anything specific?

Don't you think lynching an unCC'ed Doc is risky?

[Dierfire]

I think that Garmr's role is a partial CC.
I'm still on my phone so no quotes, but Lalendra has lots of things missing that I'd expect to see from Town. Why didn't she mention Haschel's vote on her (for L-1)?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why would she? I agree that it seems strange to have a BP & Doc - but it's perfectly plausible if we also have a vig.

[Dierfire]

If I'm Town and someone with such low activity casts that vote, I'm very suspicious of him.

EDIT: Then where was our kill?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Some vigs don't shoot N1. In fact, a lot of vigs don't shoot N1.

What do you think it means that she didn't mention Haschel's vote?

[Dierfire]

It means that she's not serious about analyzing her own wagon.

[Dierfire]

She's more concerned with threatening Garmr than with reading Haschel or Herrcombs.

[herrcombs]

I'm here, just woke up. Give me a sec to catch up.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Unofficial VC

[4] Lalendra - Haschel Cedricson, Dierfire, Garmr, herrcombs [L-2]
[4] Haschel Cedricson - Keyser Söze, mykonian, BlueBloodedToffee, Dwlee [L-2]
[2] Garmr - Meanmelter, Lalendra [L-4]
[1] Dierfire - Hieirama [L-5]

[herrcombs]

She didn't say who she protected? Has she claimed it afterwards?

nope not even once.

Why would you lie about that, Garmr? Or did you just not read the thread?

w/e, this isn't even the time to talk about it. The more pressing issue is that

HASCHEL IS STILL AT L-2

. I see on his wagon right now [Keyster, myko, BBT, DWL]. The last vote count was wrong.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Haschel L-1

Someone get in here and hammer.

pedit: yep we gotta get this done

[herrcombs]

Just checked, they didn't say who they protected.

and this. wtf

[herrcombs]

Is anyone else here?

[Dierfire]

I'm here.
How much time?

[herrcombs]

Looks like 2 hrs 18 min

[Dierfire]

Fine:

UNVOTE: Lalendra
VOTE: Haschel

[mykonian]

Tomorrow people should revisit hier on top of the other scum.

The above is good for dier, I'm going to be very sad if people try to lynch him tomorrow again. There are way better lynches.

[Garmr]

replace me out this game

[Garmr]

oh and myko I was fucking town so you can shove that in your pipe and smoke it.

[Lalendra]

Well clearly nothing is going to happen with the Garmr wagon so

VOTE: Haschel

[Lalendra]

BACKING OFF SOMEONE BECAUSE THEY CLAIMED A ROLE WHEN THEY ARE ABOUT TO BE LYNCHED EVEN THROUGH THEY HAVE TWO DAYS OF STRONG EVIDENCE AGAINST THEM IS BAD PLAY BLUE JUST FUCKING TERRIBLE.

WOULD YOU PREFER A NO LYNCH

ALL CAPS MEANS I'M SUPER SRS

so herr didn't want to vote a bulletproof, has no issue sitting behind a doc lynch.

this game.

This. If we lose it's not surprising.

If lalendra isn't lynched today I'm replacing out then I'll come back end game and rub it in your faces she was scum.


Also yes I'm happy with my company on the wagon.

Are you 5?

no becuase you wouldn't vote what I wanted

Yep, you're 5.

Yeah but, Lalendra has claimed Doc and so that's a really bad wagon.

Did Lalendra say who she protected night one?

I did.

no she didn't she forgot that in her fake claim you think a doc would mention that.

You sure are confident in my scumminess for someone who hasn't read all my posts.

I asked her and she said that she protected Mykonian.

Thank you for reading.

P-edit: Didn't realize someone already beat me to hammer. Oh well. I hope Garmr's replacement is a little less petty and will avoid throwing the game in a tantrum (twice).

[Dwlee99]

Just checked, they didn't say who they protected.

and this. wtf

I skimmed her iso and didn't see it. :c

[Dierfire]

@DWL

When I asked Lalendra which player she protected, you had a problem with that question.

[Dierfire]

I think that dier is town. Although they have been generally passive and sitting back and asking questions I feel that those questions have solid reasoning in them.

I like Keyser's recent series of posts. I think that lynching Haschel would be better than lynching Garmr, but worse than lynching Hieirama or Lalendra.

UNVOTE: Hieirama
VOTE: Lalendra

@Garmr @Keyser

If you're reading Lalendra as Mafia, I think that you should vote for Lalendra.

@DWL

I'd like you to discuss further your impression that either Lalendra is Mafia or Garmr is. Are you equally willing to vote for either?

Like this interaction with Garmr & Keyser

@Hieirama

"My opinion still stands"
Past opinion was: "I assume he's Town."
Sorry, didn't feel like typing it out again.
I didn't substantiate it well enough. If you need a clarification, one reason why I Townread him is because his tone sounds like it's at a Town POV.

If you're reading Garmr as Town, then do you think that people voting for him are more likely to be Mafia?

Good question.

Okay, if I'm at L-1 then I guess it's claim time, before Garmr lolhammers again.

Garmr is already on the wagon. This claim feels fake to me.

@Lalendra

Which player did you protect N1?

Not really alignment-indicative question but meh.

So, having a Doctor and a BP in the same game is not impossible, but does seem a bit defensive to me. I'm also suspicious of the frequency with which our wagons are turning up roles.
If Lalendra is Mafia, the claim was probably designed mostly to dodge the lynch, rather than draw a counter, because the same principle that makes Doctor and BP unlikely to show up together makes it a less useful fake claim for drawing a counter.

If I could be certain that only one of the claims is true, I'd still probably want to lynch Lalendra (because Garmr would be reasonably confirmed if she flips Mafia and would not die immediately).
If both claims are true...well, then I'd want to look very carefully at the distribution of votes.
I wouldn't think that there's any way for neither claim to be true unless we're looking at multiple unfriendly factions.
We've plenty of time to think this through. I'm going to read through again over the next two days since I won't be busy.

@Haschel

It seems to me the question is if we think a doctor and a bulletproof townie would both be in the same game.

As you didn't remove your vote, I assume that you think not?

@BBT @Hieirama

You were absent for these events. What do you think of the wagon dynamics (speed, composition)?

Another good question.

[Dierfire]

@DWL

What does "not really alignment-indicative question" mean there?