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[Dierfire]

I second Herrcombs's questions for Hieirama.
I'm looking forward to Lalendra's thoughts.
MM is correct that I should pay him more attention. That will be my priority later tonight, I hope.

[Dwlee99]

It is to myko's thoughts on me disliking his post and I said dier again.. what is happening..

[Hieirama]

I'd like to jump in on this back and forth between Dier and Hiei --

these questions are for you, Hieirama:

I think they're both Town and I think we've got scum hiding in some common townreads.
The NK makes me more suspicious of this, actually.

Common Townreads; Dwlee, Herr, Keyser.
It unsettles me that it seems like scum haven't tried targeting them yet.

Which of those common townreads (between Dwlee, myself, and Keyser) do you think is/are scum? Do you have any reasons aside from the idea that "scum haven't tried targeting them yet?" And by targeting, do you mean targeting for NKs, or putting pressure on them during the day?

p.s. not liking how anti-Garmr Meanmelter is being

What makes you believe that it is more likely scum!Meanmelter trying to get town!Garmr lynched, rather than a town!Meanmelter following a strong scumread? Do you think Meanmelter is scumreading Garmr with substance, and if so, do you disagree with his reasoning?

1. Can't tell yet, but I have quite the suspicion.
Its the main reason why I feel that way, I don't think I have any other reasons.
NKs mainly. But there is a small lack of pushing around you guys. Guessing that scum already have some Townies in the common scumread zone ((Lala/Garmr/)) so there is no need to push suspicion around to different people to get a mislynch.

Ehh the tunnel is huge here, tho it isn't really a scumtell, so you have a good point there.
Um, sort of, I haven't re-read anything but I remember the Claim/quickhammer being key points of evidence. There's some "you're so scummy" and "wtf are you doing" ((Not those exact words, its the manner)) that sort of lengthen the posts without adding substance.

[Garmr]

Heir are you 100% sure that lala is town and not lying?

[Dwlee99]

I just realized I thought myko was defending dier and that prompted my post.

Because you didn't want to look into it, myko, haschel voted lale so they are probably town using your reasons.

[Lalendra]

I'm trying to set up a situation that will get lale killed if she's town by scum or lynched as scum or forces scum to protect a town power role to keep lale alive if she's scum

Um, wouldn't your plan work better if you didn't tell the whole world about it?

Basically I'm trying to force a scenario were she gets confirmed or forces her as scum to get lynched or forces scum to leave a confirmed town alive.

I don't understand why you would drop mason tells onto someone that wasn't mason, doesn't really make much sense, imo. I'm pretty sure it's just a strong town read.

Maybe to protect the real mason? i.e. scum knows you're town, so they might NK you if they think you're mason, it protects the real mason? Just a thought.

Feeling better about Keyser being town. Myko can be town until I reread things to make sure, same with DWL. Not sure if the Dier hammer makes him town or if he's just trying to buy town points.

Uneasy about the NK, either scum is trying to WIFOM us or Lalendra is mafia. Not entirely sure why BBT was killed -- I have suspicions, but I want to reread to make sure first.

Who did you protect last night, Lalendra?

Yeah about that - I protected BBT last night so I'm wicked confused. I've never had this happen before, does this mean we're in multiball? Excuse the stupidity but I really don't know wtf to think right now

[Dierfire]

Oh, that's interesting. Normally I'd assume that the Mafia had a Roleblocker, but that's a strange role for a game with Masons and BP. Maybe a Strongman instead?

[Dierfire]

I'm back on my computer, by the way. Lalendra's claim actually makes me want to lynch Garmr a bit, but there's an element of WIFOM in there as well.
In either case, I should read MM again.

[Dierfire]

These walls are really difficult to get through.
Oh, MM was Felissan, right? Maybe I'll try to build up to it by reading Felissan again.

[Dierfire]

The vote on Hieirama in 224 is in a suspicious place if Hieirama is Mafia, because that particular wagon was just starting to build.
Overall MM seems to care about mostly about Garmr. I am surprised that he hasn't shifted to look at other players, especially if he's as confident about Garmr as he says. It makes for repetitive and unproductive days.

@MM

Garmr dies and flips Mafia. What then?

[Dierfire]

Actually, I'm taking the rest of the night off.

[Garmr]

The vote on Hieirama in 224 is in a suspicious place if Hieirama is Mafia, because that particular wagon was just starting to build.
Overall MM seems to care about mostly about Garmr. I am surprised that he hasn't shifted to look at other players, especially if he's as confident about Garmr as he says. It makes for repetitive and unproductive days.

@MM

Garmr dies and flips Mafia. What then?

I think it's pretty obvious I'm town if mm is town then his a village idiot if not then you just pretty much fell into scums hands if you side with him.

[Dwlee99]

Garmr, what are thoughts on lalendra now?

Lale, did you receive a roleblocked notification?

[Hieirama]

@Garmr I'm not really 100% sure.

[Meanmelter]

Suppose you are haschel. Day one, you play your game. You don't get in trouble. N1 you look at your play and it really doesn't look all that good, towards the end of the day there's some suspicion and indeed you have been a terrible lurk. You are a smart kid, do you think you'll make it to lylo? That'll be hard. So comes the second question, how do you set up your buddies to win the game for you?

I'd be very surprised if haschel voted for a lynch on a buddy that might have gone through, otoh, I'd expect him to distance if he saw the opportunity. Day 1 this is obvious different, he may have thought a good lynch could set him up there.

Perhaps his idea was to distance himself from everyone in the game. If he slips or gets caught in some way where he's gonna get lynched (In this case, a flash wagon on someone who was inactive and not giving any content) then there becomes less for us to analyze. I wouldn't say it the best idea for scum to do, but if you do get caught at least it keeps your scum buddies safe.
Are you proposing that Lale is town, then?

@Dier

Common Townreads; Dwlee, Herr, Keyser.
It unsettles me that it seems like scum haven't tried targeting them yet.

p.s. not liking how anti-Garmr Meanmelter is being

Is this only now a problem that I've been anti-Garmr nearly the entire game?

p.s. not liking how anti-Garmr Meanmelter is being

What makes you believe that it is more likely scum!Meanmelter trying to get town!Garmr lynched, rather than a town!Meanmelter following a strong scumread? Do you think Meanmelter is scumreading Garmr with substance, and if so, do you disagree with his reasoning?

I don't think your even reading mean melters content there's a large number of misreps ect.

Please point out these misreps

Oh, I've read his posts, and I have my own opinions. I need to hear Hieirama's opinions though. This is important to me. I'd appreciate if you didn't interfere.

So what are your opinions on me, then?

Yeah about that - I protected BBT last night so I'm wicked confused. I've never had this happen before, does this mean we're in multiball? Excuse the stupidity but I really don't know wtf to think right now

We might have a roleblocker, then. I can see why both a town and scum roleblocker would pick the fakeclaim/claimed doc.

Oh, that's interesting. Normally I'd assume that the Mafia had a Roleblocker, but that's a strange role for a game with Masons and BP. Maybe a Strongman instead?

What makes you sure Garmr's claim is legit?

Overall MM seems to care about mostly about Garmr. I am surprised that he hasn't shifted to look at other players, especially if he's as confident about Garmr as he says. It makes for repetitive and unproductive days.

@MM
Garmr dies and flips Mafia. What then?

Would you say I shouldn't focus on the player who I see entirely as scum and I should focus more on others who I see as town? I have been looking at other players, but I do not see a reason to change my vote. Especially D2 towards night. I don't think lynching an alleged doc would have been the best idea, or even a flash wagon. But hey, it worked.
My next agenda would be to sort out how believable Lale's doc claim is.

[Hieirama]

It was actually worse Day 2.

[Keyser Söze]

I will have limited internet from Sunday afternoon through to Wednesday evening so I will do a thorough catch-up now. No stone will be left unturned

I am also playing one other game approaching deadline so that will take priority over the next 3 days.

[Keyser Söze]

I'd be very surprised if haschel voted for a lynch on a buddy that might have gone through

, otoh, I'd expect him to distance if he saw the opportunity. Day 1 this is obvious different, he may have thought a good lynch could set him up there.

Yes, Haschel Cedricson put Lalendra to L-1 on D2:

Did a quick skim. A Lalendra vote is exactly the sort of thing I can get behind.

Vote: Lalendra

. Wouldn't mind a Hieirama lynch either.

[5] Lalendra - Dierfire, Garmr, Keyser Söze, herrcombs, Haschel Cedricson [L-1]

[4] Garmr - Meanmelter, Dwlee99, mykonian, Lalendra [L-2]
[1] Dierfire - BlueBloodedToffee [L-5]
Not Voting - Hieirama

Haschel Cedricson made a "quick skim" and voted Lalendra (Gamr was at L-2). I can't see Haschel Cedricson putting his scum-partner (Lalendra) at L-1 when a Gamr wagon was thriving. After herrcombs had voted Lalendra, Haschel Cedricson likely swooped in to take advantage. IMO, this buys Lalendra serious

town points

.

Moreover, if Lalendra is town and we have 3 mafia, I doubt all three were on Lalendra's wagon:

Dierfire, Garmr, Keyser Söze, herrcombs,

Haschel Cedricson

.

[Keyser Söze]

Common Townreads; Dwlee, Herr, Keyser.

It unsettles me

that it seems like scum haven't tried targeting them yet.

Were you surprised that implosion and BlueBloodedToffee were targeted N1/N2?

p.s. not liking how anti-Garmr Meanmelter is being

Hmm. Do you think Gamr is town? Are you happy with mykonian being "anti-Gamr"?

Yeah about that -

I protected BBT last night

so I'm wicked confused. I've never had this happen before, does this mean we're in multiball? Excuse the stupidity but I really don't know wtf to think right now

If true that suggests scum have:
- Mafia Roleblocker/Jailkeeper/Jack-of-all-Trades/Strongman

Note

Lalendra has now committed to 2 night actions/movements: N1: protect Mykonian (post 671) N2: protect BlueBloodedToffee (post 1005). (If she is scum she is taking a risk lying about night actions/movements).

[Lalendra]

Garmr, what are thoughts on lalendra now?

Lale, did you receive a roleblocked notification?

I did not, hence my serious confusion.

[Dierfire]

Why did you pick BBT?

[Lalendra]

I had a strong town read on him already, and then he was a strong supporter of the wagon on Haschel, who flipped scum. Seemed logical that scum might go after him that night.

[Dierfire]

So, I was thinking that it would be unlikely for the Mafia to have a Roleblocker or a Jailkeeper or a similar ability (because it wouldn't help them against the Masons or the BP). This becomes slightly less true if Garmr was lying about his role, but I'm still finding it difficult to see. That's why I'm wondering about a Strongman. What do you think?

[Lalendra]

I honestly don't have enough experience with power roles to speculate and contribute anything meaningful. However, if there is a strongman, it would be important to consider a) how many shots he/she likely has and b) why they would have chosen to use their (likely limited in number) attempt on BBT.

[Lalendra]

At least, the MafiaWiki says Strongman is usually X-shot - would it be plausible to have one that's not? I guess with a doctor and BP it could be? But that seems like it would be unbalanced.