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Self-voting in RVS isn't something indicative of alignment. If it makes sense at all, it makes sense this early in the game. I mean, you think he should vote himself later, when there's more of a case against him?dcorbe wrote:That's really the only bit of information we have to analyze right now: the fact that he self-voted.
why would someone do that? It doesn't make sense this early in the game (does it ever?)
Maybe someone trying overly hard not to be scummy?
Okay, now go off an analyze me
FoS: Everyone!!/b] let's start the convo.
There are players who regularly start games by self-voting (UltimaAvalon, chaos_diablo I know of) and this is more of a playstyle than a scumtell in the randomvote stage.
Lowell wrote:unvote, vote natirasha. Didn't s/he self-vote? I hate that.unvote, vote: Lowell
Putting a player at L-2, a) this early in the game and b) just for selfvoting in random stage is very suspect.scumchat never die-
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/agreeroflcopter wrote:pojedinac wrote:
I'll wait for a while before placing it on the biggest lurker.roflcopter wrote:glad you guys could kiss and make up but are you gonna do anything useful with that vote now poj?unvote, vote: pojedinac
I'd first like Lowell to reply, though.
I don't know whether two scum would pounce on this or not, but it's reckless to assume that, ah, they wouldn't and then proceed to put someone at L-2 on the second page.pojedinac wrote:We're still in the frivolous voting stage. And L-2 is a far cry from getting lynched. Do you honestly think that two scum would really pounce on this L-2 opportunity?scumchat never die-
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Yeah. Didn't explain in full. The exact reason for my vote was that nothing changed. Your posting hasn't become more helpful, with the possible exception of post 101.Lowell wrote:korts- taken together, 77 and 109 don't make much sense. Nothing changed between those posts other than he now thinks he can get away with it. possible scum
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Lowell wrote:I'm your mother.unvote
Sorry, mum.
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The vote was for continued lack of contribution, therefore I think my vote would have had no reason to stay on Lowell after his analysis of everyone, since I would call that contribution.Alabaska J wrote:Also,HoS: Kortsas he didn't even get the claim he asked for and still unvoted. I'm smelling Lowell-Korts scumpair.scumchat never die-
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rofl, your almost-OMGUS is noted. But what you say about Natirasha's posts is pretty important. Too bad you only isolated his posts because you wanted a reason behind your OMGUS.
The flaw in your FoS on me is that your vote didn't have any reason to it, either. Actually, I was kinda waiting for you to jump on me at the time for not giving a reason.scumchat never die-
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I agree that in isolation, Natirasha's posts are scummy enough to warrant a vote. I'm not actually fazed by your vote on him, I just noted that your suspicion of him started out with him suspecting you. Funny world, that's all I'm saying.
When you quote a post, then vote somebody, you probably should explain, because some people might think you just quoted randomly and tried to imply there was something scummy in it. Actually, I saw that particular post of Alabaska's as scummy, too. I have my reasons, I just didn't state them. A bit hypocritical that you would FoS me for the exact thing you did.
About the buddying up, all I can say is, great minds think alike, and you seem to post before me a lot. What can I do, rephase? Heck, I'm not made of time like that.scumchat never die-
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For now, my best bet would be you, dcorbe. You still haven't answered to me, whether I have replied to everything you wanted me to. If I have, then I don't understand why you felt the need to ask me to reread page 7 in post 167, because every point I replied to, I only restated after that post. Therefore your pushing of this "observation" that I seemingly haven't/hadn't replied to is just you trying to show me in a bad light. And if I haven't answered yet to your observation, I don't see how it wouldn't be in the town's best interests to provide me a chance to slip up, therefore your lack of restatement of this observation leads me to believe that there isn't, in fact, such an observation.scumchat never die-
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Darla, I'd like to point out in regards to your short player analysis (let's call it an analysis for want of a better word) that syke had only one post, therefore the statement "how he acted in a few of his posts" is a bit, you know, misleading. As in, like he had more than one post, and like that one post had any more content than "sorry, will reread" which isn't indicative of his townness at all. I'm not very satisfied with your analysis of me, either. Scummy, but overall town? You trying to echo others while buddying up to me? Also, you name all the vocal players as town. You're making this a bit too obvious.
I realize you may not have time enough, but please try to post something a little more detailed and perhaps more accurate.
Vote: Darla
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With this you imply that I on the other hand am the latter. Please point out what question it is that I'm supposedly avoiding. I try to make it a point of mine to answer everything.ShadowGirl wrote: If there's anyone I'm curious about it's Darla, though Korts has me rather interested too. Overall, Darla doesn't seem anywhere as shifty as Korts does. The thing about people's oversights as that either they are skimming through things or tend to generally not pay as much attention, or are purposely avoiding question. I believe Darla is more the former.scumchat never die-
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The rofl wagon is dumb.
dcorbe wrote:Sorry, it's only been ~48 hours, but seriously dude. You need to wake up an address some of these concerns.
If we lynch you now that will be 2 lynches in 10 pages. The probability of the result being 2 mis-lynches is very high and very bad for the town. If you are pro-town then you really need to start defending yourself and building cases instead of demanding quick lynches.vote: dcorbe
You're really playing the self- and town-conscious townie, with the "OMG not two lynches in then pages!" and the way you're insinuating that rofl might very possibly be town. Yet your vote is on him. Why, if you think he's probably town, do you put him at L-1? Oh, you unvote later, but that won't save you in my eyes.scumchat never die-
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Here I am, and admittedly, I haven't yet read through the blocks of text, only Azimuth's.
It's obvious we have a power role who stopped the kill. More on this in my next post.
Also, dcorbe or Azimuth, but preferably both of you please unvote, it's been less than a page into Day 3 and Darla's at L-1. We don't want another quicklynch.scumchat never die-
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Firstly, I don't like how dcorbe is conducting the town with the following:
dcorbe wrote:@Korts: Who should we be focusing on and why?
Also, dcorbe, you should add quotes when you do a post by post analysis. It's much easier for everyone, and it shouldn't be much bother to you since you're reading the analyzed posts anyway.dcorbe wrote: @Azimuth: What do you think of all of this?
@Korts: Who should we be focused on and why
I'd also like to hear from *EVERYONE* what their thoughts are on Korts.
I don't think this is suspcious all that much. It's natural curiosity to want to know why there was no NK, although it's also against the town in that it's mild rolefishing. You're overreacting this point.dcorbe wrote:4) I think it's awfully suspicious that you're trying to confirm a kill. That's a huge newbie scum tell. You submitted a name to the mod and you're wondering why the kill didn't go through. There's really no other reason to attempt to confirm a kill especially since the mod basically spelled out the scene for us all.
You say this like you weren't on the wagon... sigh, hypocrite scum, gah.dcorbe wrote:5) Post 138 "Must obey the bunny" jumping on a bandwagon with no reasoning. A bandwagon which you were dead wrong on, and to make matters worse that was the hammer drop
[quote="dcorbe]6) Post 146. You tell me I made a good point, but then you FoS me because I was on the wagon right behind you. That is an OMGUSy reaction as I pointed out to you in post 148 [/quote] Actually, I call BS. If you quoted (maybe it's healthier for your case if you don't quote?) it would be apparent that the FoS you get because you tried to dismiss a point in the case against you before anyone else brought it up (your suspect dying).
WRONG bandwagon. Is that, you think, a valid point, that it turned out to be a WRONG wagon?dcorbe wrote:7) Post 169.. Again.. following roflcopter onto the WRONG bandwagon. Seriously, buddy up much?
Her Post 214 I don't see where it's buddying up to rofl.
The rest I pretty much can agree with, but can anyone else see how this case is intertwined with BS? Seriously, man.
On to Darla's "defense".
Starting out with some personal OMGUS stuff, me not like at all. Then some WIFOM with sending the kill etc. But it was WIFOM coming from dcorbe, too. And then, personal, personal, personal, sigh. No valid defense really from DBE.
And then the reply from dcorbe, I'm not even going to bother with that.
Here's what I see. dcorbe is pushing a borderline valid case on Darla, and Darla's replying with a bad defense. I think this is a desperate attempt at bussing, maybe a build-up for a false cop claim. dcorbe has been vocal either for or against Darla most of the time, and Darla has made it a point of hers to include dcorbe in every argument of hers. I'm seeing odd dynamics between the two of them. I'm 80% sure we've got a scumpair, ladies and gents.
About the power role: do NOT claim yet. Only claim if you have a confirmed innocent and he's about to be lynched.scumchat never die-
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But you state it as if she must know it's the wrong wagon. That is not an objective point. If she's scum, she knows. If she isn't, she doesn't. Being on a wagon that turns out later to be wrong isn't damning, if it would be, hell, you'd be a hypocrite.dcorbe wrote:@korts,
In response to a couple of your questions:
Yes, I believe the fact that she's following roflcopter onto the wrong wagons is relevant because she keeps doing it, and further defending roflcopter's voting record by calling it "aggressive scum hunting". Keep that comment in mind when you go back and reread roflcopter. He really hasn't done much scum hunting at all and he's done absolutely zero to justify his votes.
Why do you ask those two questions as if they had anything to do with each other? Your case is borderline because, while you have some fair points, it's intertwined with BS (see above, for instance). I never said she justified her voting record. That's another business.dcorbe wrote: Also I would pose to you this question: Why is my case against Darla so "borderline?" What has she done so far to justify her voting record? Please quote posts if you can.
I agree that Darla is scummy, and yes, when you get down to it her arguments boil down to OMGUS, but I never denied that. Why are you trying to set me up like this?dcorbe wrote: When I confonted Darla about her voting record, she seems to be doing everything she can to discredit her aggressors instead of responding intelligently to the criticism levied against her. Do you not agree that a lot her actions towards me have been very OMGUSy? And do you not agree that OMGUS is a scum tell?
What you say is true, but I don't see why you're explaining this to me, buddy.dcorbe wrote: The few points she did try to legitimately mount a defense against were the points I brought up about her bandwagoning. She tried to explain that she was pressure voting and that it's a valid scum hunting technique. It is true, pressure votes can be a useful scum hunting tool but you usually have to back up your vote with a case as well, because otherwise scum could simply hide behind that excuse to justify their votes with no real case against their victim.
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Hell, that's stupid. That claim would mean scum didn't send in a kill? I call BS. Don't confuse the town, plz.dcorbe wrote:
You couldn't possibly have roleblocked me because I'm the doctor and interestingly enough I'm pretty convinced that you're town because you were my choice for the night.Korts wrote:Fine, I agree that the power role successful tonight claiming helps the town more than it hurts it, so here goes.
I'm the Roleblocker. I blocked dcorbe tonight. Therefore I'm pretty sure he's mafia.
This also means I'll probably be NKed tonight, but this game isn't fun to me anymore anyways mostly because of DBE's attitude.scumchat never die-
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Well, yeah. But I can't think of any other option other than you being scum and doing some pretty unorthodox and insensible fakeclaiming.dcorbe wrote:
It would be kind of stupid for the scum not to kill.Korts wrote:Hell, this shit is confusing me. I really don't know if you're BSing or not, who knows, maybe scum didn't send a kill after all, to lure a power role into claiming.scumchat never die-
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