Open 69 - Two of Four Mafia (a9) - Game Over before 592

[dcorbe]

@korts,

In response to a couple of your questions:

Yes, I believe the fact that she's following roflcopter onto the wrong wagons is relevant because she keeps doing it, and further defending roflcopter's voting record by calling it "aggressive scum hunting". Keep that comment in mind when you go back and reread roflcopter. He really hasn't done much scum hunting at all and he's done absolutely zero to justify his votes.

Also I would pose to you this question: Why is my case against Darla so "borderline?" What has she done so far to justify her voting record? Please quote posts if you can.

When I confonted Darla about her voting record, she seems to be doing everything she can to discredit her aggressors instead of responding intelligently to the criticism levied against her. Do you not agree that a lot her actions towards me have been very OMGUSy? And do you not agree that OMGUS is a scum tell?

The few points she did try to legitimately mount a defense against were the points I brought up about her bandwagoning. She tried to explain that she was pressure voting and that it's a valid scum hunting technique. It is true, pressure votes can be a useful scum hunting tool but you usually have to back up your vote with a case as well, because otherwise scum could simply hide behind that excuse to justify their votes with no real case against their victim.

-Daniel

[ShadowGirl]

@Azimuth: There may have been a vote count three posts before the hammer, but it didn't say how many were needed to lynch.

Unfortunately, at the moment I have to study for two exams tommorow so no thorough posts until I get home from school on Friday.

[dcorbe]

@Azimuth: There may have been a vote count three posts before the hammer, but it didn't say how many were needed to lynch.

Unfortunately, at the moment I have to study for two exams tommorow so no thorough posts until I get home from school on Friday.

The rules do say that a majority is require to lynch. A majority is 1 over 50%, so with 7 alive it would have taken 4 to lynch. Please pay closer attention.

[Azimuth]

Also, dcorbe or Azimuth, but preferably both of you please unvote, it's been less than a page into Day 3 and Darla's at L-1. We don't want another quicklynch.

Firstly, DarlaBlueEyes is actually at L-2. It still takes four (out of six) to lynch today. Secondly, I believe DBE is in no danger of getting quicklynched anyway (at least, not by mafia).

[roflcopter]

He really hasn't done much scum hunting at all and he's done absolutely zero to justify his votes.

what the fuck do you call a post by post analysis if it isn't scumhunting and vote justification you tool?

i need to 1) read the rest of whats happened since daybreak and 2) never play another game with natirasha

[dcorbe]

He really hasn't done much scum hunting at all and he's done absolutely zero to justify his votes.

what the fuck do you call a post by post analysis if it isn't scumhunting and vote justification you tool?

i need to 1) read the rest of whats happened since daybreak and 2) never play another game with natirasha

Please do point me in the direction of this mysterious post-by-post analysis that you claim to have give us.

[dcorbe]

I get the feeling that this thread is about to erupt in chaos..

Glare: roflcopter, DBE

[roflcopter]

Please do point me in the direction of this mysterious post-by-post analysis that you claim to have give us.

the following is a post by post analysis of natirasha, scumbag extraordinaire.

vote: Natirasha

a self-vote. unreadable, unhelpful, and yet, its what he does in every game. probably to cultivate some stupid maverick image for himself on this site, in hopes that while it'll get him lynched as town a few times, in the future he'll be able to hide behind it as scum. like right now. but I digress.

I actually can't get an avatar because my photobucket account got hijacked by 4chan...

well that doesn't seem to be on the topic of playing a game of mafia, but its still the random voting phase so thats ok...

Natirasha: Now with avatar!

a followup to the prior, non-game-related post...

unvote: Alabaska

because I just saw that you are a fellow Texan.

I live in Dallas.

me too ^^ (well a few miles north but who's counting?)

Well, I'm more accurately living in Ft. Worth.

hey, no longer chit chatting about avatars, wonderful! oh, wait, now you're talking about your hometown. gee willikers thats a great way to find scum.

I always start games with a self-vote. I can provide far too many examples, if you want.

here he is, relating how the self-vote should be considered a null-tell. and note, still not actually participating in this particular game of mafia that we're playing, as he's just further building his 'i always self vote' meta.

I always start games with a self-vote.

Why? For the love of Flying Spaghetti Monster, Why?

Because it usually gets the game moving qucker, I like to, and why not?

i'm sure eventually he'll actually start playing the game.

vote: DarlaBlueEyes

for OMGUSy reasons.

or, he'll just omgus. but maybe he thinks its still appropriate to semi random vote? there's got to be more coming from him, right? ..right?

however, i didn't find anything in that post that really misrepresents anyone, which is something i'd expect from lowell-scum in a post like that

Hey there. My name's Alabaska J.

hey there lowell raised legitimate points against you

IMO nope.

Also,

HoS: Korts

as he didn't even get the claim he asked for and still unvoted. I'm smelling Lowell-Korts scumpair.

I support this. At this point, I'm ready to

unvote, vote: Lowell.

He's done nothing but attack me over a point that results to a null-tell at best.

no, i was wrong. instead he'll see a townie attacking another townie and jump in there to stoke the fires, omgus lowell and remind us one more time that self-voting doesn't mean anything and he does it all the time.

by golly, thats it for day one! thats all he managed to post. one self vote, two posts about avatars, one about dallas, two about his own self vote, one meaningless omgus, and one more omgus in relation to his self vote. it seems to me that the self vote became a pretty nifty shield for him to hide behind while doing jack squat all fucking day long. nobody even seemed to notice him not making a god damn difference in the course of the game.

anyway, on to day two. there's not a whole lot here either but his scummitude is showing a little more.

Strangest NK I've seen in a good while.

Anyways, in order of scum to not scum.

Roflcopter and Darla seem to be the targets of the day.

woah guys, natirasha thought the nk was strange, that definitely means he couldn't have had aaaaanything to do with it at all. amiright? /sarcasm.
and as i pointed out when he posted this gem, no reasoning whatsoever is provided as to why darla and myself stand out and korts is not suspected at all in relation to the alabaska wagon. in fact, i can only guess he chose me and darla because of the alabaska wagon, he doesn't actually tell us. wonderful!

To tell you the truth, this game is the lowest one I've been paying attention to.
However, I have a personal "Do not replace" policy, and continue to play. Anyways, yesterday, I was dealing with Lowell and ignoring pretty much everyone else. I'm going to go re-read Korts and see why everyone seems to think he's scummy.

ah, thats a good way to get the attention off of yourself nat, tell us that you don't really care about this game at all. and by "yesterday i was dealing with lowell" what natirasha really means is "yesterday i made one post in which i voted lowell literally only because he attacked me, and other than that i couldn't be arsed to participate in the game whatsoever!"

So...um...I still don't see the argument against Korts.

still hasn't explained why he doesn't see anything against korts, or for that matter why he does see anything against me or darla. or his opinion on anything else in the game! wee!

So...um...I still don't see the argument against Korts.

If you don't see a case against him please tell us why. Along those same lines, who should we be focusing on and why?

In short, I don't understand the reasoning people are wanting to lynch him.

Additionally, I think that roflcopter needs to be examined. His behavior seems a bit off, to say the least. I have to leave, but I'll post some reasons later.

for real, you don't understand the reasons for wanting to lynch him? you think maybe you could tell us what about the reasons is not working for you? and you say that my behavior is "a bit off," which doesn't actually do any good in explaining what if anything is wrong with my behavior, just gives the impression that i've done something bad, and yet again you can't be arsed to any of the work for yourself to find out what it was that you thought was so off.

Actually, with Kort's recent posts, I am starting to see the argument against him. However, I still say roflcopter is hiding something...

wow my sweet jesus this is the most helpful post in the entire game!
not!
i'd actually rank this as the scummiest post in the entire game!
what do you see against korts?
what the fuck do you think i'm hiding?
all you've done here is put the idea in the minds of the town that either korts or myself would be an acceptable lynch to you for reasons unknown, and then yet again disappeared to let us figure it out for ourselves.

let me lay this all out for you.

natirasha has not once put forward anything remotely helpful or done actual scumhunting in any way, shape or form. he has however made numerous posts which continue to paint several people in a poor light without ever making clear what exactly they've done to deserve such treatment, and once again he has disappeared from view for long enough that the town has, in this case, actually come around to the point of agreeing with him when he never made a case to begin with.

THATS FUCKING AWESOME GUYS GOOD WORK.

Please pay closer attention.

[dcorbe]

Please do point me in the direction of this mysterious post-by-post analysis that you claim to have give us.

the following is a post by post analysis of natirasha, scumbag extraordinaire.

vote: Natirasha

a self-vote. unreadable, unhelpful, and yet, its what he does in every game. probably to cultivate some stupid maverick image for himself on this site, in hopes that while it'll get him lynched as town a few times, in the future he'll be able to hide behind it as scum. like right now. but I digress.

I actually can't get an avatar because my photobucket account got hijacked by 4chan...

well that doesn't seem to be on the topic of playing a game of mafia, but its still the random voting phase so thats ok...

Natirasha: Now with avatar!

a followup to the prior, non-game-related post...

unvote: Alabaska

because I just saw that you are a fellow Texan.

I live in Dallas.

me too ^^ (well a few miles north but who's counting?)

Well, I'm more accurately living in Ft. Worth.

hey, no longer chit chatting about avatars, wonderful! oh, wait, now you're talking about your hometown. gee willikers thats a great way to find scum.

I always start games with a self-vote. I can provide far too many examples, if you want.

here he is, relating how the self-vote should be considered a null-tell. and note, still not actually participating in this particular game of mafia that we're playing, as he's just further building his 'i always self vote' meta.

I always start games with a self-vote.

Why? For the love of Flying Spaghetti Monster, Why?

Because it usually gets the game moving qucker, I like to, and why not?

i'm sure eventually he'll actually start playing the game.

vote: DarlaBlueEyes

for OMGUSy reasons.

or, he'll just omgus. but maybe he thinks its still appropriate to semi random vote? there's got to be more coming from him, right? ..right?

however, i didn't find anything in that post that really misrepresents anyone, which is something i'd expect from lowell-scum in a post like that

Hey there. My name's Alabaska J.

hey there lowell raised legitimate points against you

IMO nope.

Also,

HoS: Korts

as he didn't even get the claim he asked for and still unvoted. I'm smelling Lowell-Korts scumpair.

I support this. At this point, I'm ready to

unvote, vote: Lowell.

He's done nothing but attack me over a point that results to a null-tell at best.

no, i was wrong. instead he'll see a townie attacking another townie and jump in there to stoke the fires, omgus lowell and remind us one more time that self-voting doesn't mean anything and he does it all the time.

by golly, thats it for day one! thats all he managed to post. one self vote, two posts about avatars, one about dallas, two about his own self vote, one meaningless omgus, and one more omgus in relation to his self vote. it seems to me that the self vote became a pretty nifty shield for him to hide behind while doing jack squat all fucking day long. nobody even seemed to notice him not making a god damn difference in the course of the game.

anyway, on to day two. there's not a whole lot here either but his scummitude is showing a little more.

Strangest NK I've seen in a good while.

Anyways, in order of scum to not scum.

Roflcopter and Darla seem to be the targets of the day.

woah guys, natirasha thought the nk was strange, that definitely means he couldn't have had aaaaanything to do with it at all. amiright? /sarcasm.
and as i pointed out when he posted this gem, no reasoning whatsoever is provided as to why darla and myself stand out and korts is not suspected at all in relation to the alabaska wagon. in fact, i can only guess he chose me and darla because of the alabaska wagon, he doesn't actually tell us. wonderful!

To tell you the truth, this game is the lowest one I've been paying attention to.
However, I have a personal "Do not replace" policy, and continue to play. Anyways, yesterday, I was dealing with Lowell and ignoring pretty much everyone else. I'm going to go re-read Korts and see why everyone seems to think he's scummy.

ah, thats a good way to get the attention off of yourself nat, tell us that you don't really care about this game at all. and by "yesterday i was dealing with lowell" what natirasha really means is "yesterday i made one post in which i voted lowell literally only because he attacked me, and other than that i couldn't be arsed to participate in the game whatsoever!"

So...um...I still don't see the argument against Korts.

still hasn't explained why he doesn't see anything against korts, or for that matter why he does see anything against me or darla. or his opinion on anything else in the game! wee!

So...um...I still don't see the argument against Korts.

If you don't see a case against him please tell us why. Along those same lines, who should we be focusing on and why?

In short, I don't understand the reasoning people are wanting to lynch him.

Additionally, I think that roflcopter needs to be examined. His behavior seems a bit off, to say the least. I have to leave, but I'll post some reasons later.

for real, you don't understand the reasons for wanting to lynch him? you think maybe you could tell us what about the reasons is not working for you? and you say that my behavior is "a bit off," which doesn't actually do any good in explaining what if anything is wrong with my behavior, just gives the impression that i've done something bad, and yet again you can't be arsed to any of the work for yourself to find out what it was that you thought was so off.

Actually, with Kort's recent posts, I am starting to see the argument against him. However, I still say roflcopter is hiding something...

wow my sweet jesus this is the most helpful post in the entire game!
not!
i'd actually rank this as the scummiest post in the entire game!
what do you see against korts?
what the fuck do you think i'm hiding?
all you've done here is put the idea in the minds of the town that either korts or myself would be an acceptable lynch to you for reasons unknown, and then yet again disappeared to let us figure it out for ourselves.

let me lay this all out for you.

natirasha has not once put forward anything remotely helpful or done actual scumhunting in any way, shape or form. he has however made numerous posts which continue to paint several people in a poor light without ever making clear what exactly they've done to deserve such treatment, and once again he has disappeared from view for long enough that the town has, in this case, actually come around to the point of agreeing with him when he never made a case to begin with.

THATS FUCKING AWESOME GUYS GOOD WORK.

Please pay closer attention.

And what do you have to say about the fact that you were wrong about Lowell, wrong about Natirasha and wrong about Alabaska? Most of your argument above seems to be centered on the idea that Natirasha really wasn't contributing anything useful. There's better ways to deal with lurkers than quick-lynching them. Your response to what I just said might naturally be "lurking is a scumtell" but lynching lurkers is also a policy lynch and scum tends hide behind policy lynches case in point. There has to a secondary reason to lynch someone on policy and I don't see that there was a secondary reason to lynch Natirasha.

After you presented your "post-by-post analysis" to the rest of the group you continued to call for Natirasha's quick lynch with no further reasoning and no attempts to solidify your case. You're leading this town around and it's having a decidedly negative impact.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

I get the feeling that this thread is about to erupt in chaos..

Glare: roflcopter, DBE

right, how old are you? Your attacks are so annoying and immature, that any good points you MIGHT have are washed out. I can barley read this thread (specifically your posts) without getting a headache.

If you want people to respect you and really get your points, please, for the love of god get off the high and mighty stance.

I am not a big post - writer.. I think other than my (intentionally) sarcastic and rude reply to you, the only other one i did was in the other game we were in together.

So don't expect me to really rev up and meet your accusations in some term paper. as I said before I have a life and this IS just a game.

I's like to know why if your main accusation is I FOLLOWED rofl ON ALL THE WRONG BANDWAGONS (Hindsight is 20/20 ) Did you not notice Korts on both those wagons as well?

You need to not be selective with your accusations if you're gonna use such a broad base. and what about rofl? He is the EVOL BUNNY who actually took action and started bandwagons, we dont know if he knew ahead of time they werent scums, so your claim that he LYNCHED ALL TEH WRONG people is bullshit. It was a MAJORITY decision, as you informed us, 50% + 1, so it wasn't anything you can pin on one person. and easy for you to point the finger when you wouldn't make up your mind all day yesterday.

[Porochaz]

Please keep thing nonpersonal, anything that is bolded and not

vote,unvote or mod:(write something here)

will cause me to cry in this game with the long posts currently

[dcorbe]

I get the feeling that this thread is about to erupt in chaos..

Glare: roflcopter, DBE

right, how old are you? Your attacks are so annoying and immature, that any good points you MIGHT have are washed out. I can barley read this thread (specifically your posts) without getting a headache.

If you want people to respect you and really get your points, please, for the love of god get off the high and mighty stance.

I am not a big post - writer.. I think other than my (intentionally) sarcastic and rude reply to you, the only other one i did was in the other game we were in together.

So don't expect me to really rev up and meet your accusations in some term paper. as I said before I have a life and this IS just a game.

I's like to know why if your main accusation is I FOLLOWED rofl ON ALL THE WRONG BANDWAGONS (Hindsight is 20/20 ) Did you not notice Korts on both those wagons as well?

You need to not be selective with your accusations if you're gonna use such a broad base. and what about rofl? He is the EVOL BUNNY who actually took action and started bandwagons, we dont know if he knew ahead of time they werent scums, so your claim that he LYNCHED ALL TEH WRONG people is bullshit. It was a MAJORITY decision, as you informed us, 50% + 1, so it wasn't anything you can pin on one person. and easy for you to point the finger when you wouldn't make up your mind all day yesterday.

You still don't understand why I voted for you and your personal attacks on me show how immature you really are, because I haven't gotten personal this game and you have.

You not only follow roflcotper around from bandwagon to bandwagon but you also contribute no original thought of your own.

[dcorbe]

I'd also like to point out the fact that others ARE taking me seriously, because I'm not the only one who has placed a vote on you today. You keep saying how you don't have time to keep up with my posts, but I'm really not posting that frequently anymore. If you don't have time to play this game then you need to ask to be replaced.

[Korts]

I still think this fight is staged. I know you asked me some things, dcorbe, and I promise I'll reply to them after breakfast.

@Azimuth: I thought for a moment that there are five of us. Dunno why.

[roflcopter]

i think at this point a massclaim might be a good thing.

it will either give us confirmed players, or narrow down our search to the people who have counterclaimed one another.

also, whatever protown force stopped the kill last night will be able to confirm somebody else (if doctor) or tell us who was trying to kill (if roleblocker).

what say you all?

[Korts]

Fine, I agree that the power role successful tonight claiming helps the town more than it hurts it, so here goes.

I'm the Roleblocker. I blocked dcorbe tonight. Therefore I'm pretty sure he's mafia.

[roflcopter]

so now we really need a full claim. if there is >1 more nonvanilla claim then we have a fakeclaim which we need to root out.

i'm a townie.

[Korts]

@korts,

In response to a couple of your questions:

Yes, I believe the fact that she's following roflcopter onto the wrong wagons is relevant because she keeps doing it, and further defending roflcopter's voting record by calling it "aggressive scum hunting". Keep that comment in mind when you go back and reread roflcopter. He really hasn't done much scum hunting at all and he's done absolutely zero to justify his votes.

But you state it as if she must know it's the wrong wagon. That is not an objective point. If she's scum, she knows. If she isn't, she doesn't. Being on a wagon that turns out later to be wrong isn't damning, if it would be, hell, you'd be a hypocrite.

Also I would pose to you this question: Why is my case against Darla so "borderline?" What has she done so far to justify her voting record? Please quote posts if you can.

Why do you ask those two questions as if they had anything to do with each other? Your case is borderline because, while you have some fair points, it's intertwined with BS (see above, for instance). I never said she justified her voting record. That's another business.

When I confonted Darla about her voting record, she seems to be doing everything she can to discredit her aggressors instead of responding intelligently to the criticism levied against her. Do you not agree that a lot her actions towards me have been very OMGUSy? And do you not agree that OMGUS is a scum tell?

I agree that Darla is scummy, and yes, when you get down to it her arguments boil down to OMGUS, but I never denied that. Why are you trying to set me up like this?

The few points she did try to legitimately mount a defense against were the points I brought up about her bandwagoning. She tried to explain that she was pressure voting and that it's a valid scum hunting technique. It is true, pressure votes can be a useful scum hunting tool but you usually have to back up your vote with a case as well, because otherwise scum could simply hide behind that excuse to justify their votes with no real case against their victim.

-Daniel

What you say is true, but I don't see why you're explaining this to me, buddy.

[dcorbe]

Fine, I agree that the power role successful tonight claiming helps the town more than it hurts it, so here goes.

I'm the Roleblocker. I blocked dcorbe tonight. Therefore I'm pretty sure he's mafia.

You couldn't possibly have roleblocked me because I'm the doctor and interestingly enough I'm pretty convinced that you're town because you were my choice for the night.

This also means I'll probably be NKed tonight, but this game isn't fun to me anymore anyways mostly because of DBE's attitude.

[dcorbe]

Fine, I agree that the power role successful tonight claiming helps the town more than it hurts it, so here goes.

I'm the Roleblocker. I blocked dcorbe tonight. Therefore I'm pretty sure he's mafia.

You couldn't possibly have roleblocked me because I'm the doctor and interestingly enough I'm pretty convinced that you're town because you were my choice for the night.

This also means I'll probably be NKed tonight, but this game isn't fun to me anymore anyways mostly because of DBE's attitude.

The only possible way you could have roleblocked me and you stayed alive is if the mob didn't submit an NK the previous night.

[Korts]

Fine, I agree that the power role successful tonight claiming helps the town more than it hurts it, so here goes.

I'm the Roleblocker. I blocked dcorbe tonight. Therefore I'm pretty sure he's mafia.

You couldn't possibly have roleblocked me because I'm the doctor and interestingly enough I'm pretty convinced that you're town because you were my choice for the night.

This also means I'll probably be NKed tonight, but this game isn't fun to me anymore anyways mostly because of DBE's attitude.

Hell, that's stupid. That claim would mean scum didn't send in a kill? I call BS. Don't confuse the town, plz.

[dcorbe]

@korts,

In response to a couple of your questions:

Yes, I believe the fact that she's following roflcopter onto the wrong wagons is relevant because she keeps doing it, and further defending roflcopter's voting record by calling it "aggressive scum hunting". Keep that comment in mind when you go back and reread roflcopter. He really hasn't done much scum hunting at all and he's done absolutely zero to justify his votes.

But you state it as if she must know it's the wrong wagon. That is not an objective point. If she's scum, she knows. If she isn't, she doesn't. Being on a wagon that turns out later to be wrong isn't damning, if it would be, hell, you'd be a hypocrite.

Also I would pose to you this question: Why is my case against Darla so "borderline?" What has she done so far to justify her voting record? Please quote posts if you can.

Why do you ask those two questions as if they had anything to do with each other? Your case is borderline because, while you have some fair points, it's intertwined with BS (see above, for instance). I never said she justified her voting record. That's another business.

When I confonted Darla about her voting record, she seems to be doing everything she can to discredit her aggressors instead of responding intelligently to the criticism levied against her. Do you not agree that a lot her actions towards me have been very OMGUSy? And do you not agree that OMGUS is a scum tell?

I agree that Darla is scummy, and yes, when you get down to it her arguments boil down to OMGUS, but I never denied that. Why are you trying to set me up like this?

The few points she did try to legitimately mount a defense against were the points I brought up about her bandwagoning. She tried to explain that she was pressure voting and that it's a valid scum hunting technique. It is true, pressure votes can be a useful scum hunting tool but you usually have to back up your vote with a case as well, because otherwise scum could simply hide behind that excuse to justify their votes with no real case against their victim.

-Daniel

What you say is true, but I don't see why you're explaining this to me, buddy.

Dude, I'm NOT trying to set you up, see the last post I just made. I honsetly wanted to know what your opinion was.

With 4 town alive, we all need to be on the same page today to even achieve a lynch. roflcopter and DBE aren't going to vote for each other because they're the scum pair.

If you think I've got it wrong I need to know how and why, that's the motivation behind me asking you specifically those questions because you're pretty much confirmed town in my eyes.

[dcorbe]

Fine, I agree that the power role successful tonight claiming helps the town more than it hurts it, so here goes.

I'm the Roleblocker. I blocked dcorbe tonight. Therefore I'm pretty sure he's mafia.

You couldn't possibly have roleblocked me because I'm the doctor and interestingly enough I'm pretty convinced that you're town because you were my choice for the night.

This also means I'll probably be NKed tonight, but this game isn't fun to me anymore anyways mostly because of DBE's attitude.

Hell, that's stupid. That claim would mean scum didn't send in a kill? I call BS. Don't confuse the town, plz.

If you think I'm BSing you, why don't you just lynch me and find out? I'm pretty over this whole situation anyways and I'm probably never going to play another game with DBE again.

[dcorbe]

Fine, I agree that the power role successful tonight claiming helps the town more than it hurts it, so here goes.

I'm the Roleblocker. I blocked dcorbe tonight. Therefore I'm pretty sure he's mafia.

You couldn't possibly have roleblocked me because I'm the doctor and interestingly enough I'm pretty convinced that you're town because you were my choice for the night.

This also means I'll probably be NKed tonight, but this game isn't fun to me anymore anyways mostly because of DBE's attitude.

Hell, that's stupid. That claim would mean scum didn't send in a kill? I call BS. Don't confuse the town, plz.

If you think I'm BSing you, why don't you just lynch me and find out? I'm pretty over this whole situation anyways and I'm probably never going to play another game with DBE again.

[Korts]

Hell, this shit is confusing me. I really don't know if you're BSing or not, who knows, maybe scum didn't send a kill after all, to lure a power role into claiming.