In post 1951, 22 wrote:VOTE: team 9
why do i get the feeling that you're going to be the scum mvp by endgame
Is that an invitation for 2v1?
Because I'm ready to win.
In post 1951, 22 wrote:VOTE: team 9
why do i get the feeling that you're going to be the scum mvp by endgame
In post 1957, The Bulge wrote:jfc and you say I'm beating a dead horse
In post 1963, The Bulge wrote:Sakura is more stubborn and repeats the same thing over and over and over and over.
In post 1970, 22 wrote:i don't like pie this game
and liking pie is what town pie is all about to me
In post 1975, 22 wrote:ok so sakura's reasons for townreading this are wrong too if that's the case
In post 1985, 22 wrote:i don't know about majiffy's read on bulge but he and i both agree thesp/titus has to be scum
In post 1985, 22 wrote:you have to understand that i have commonly been in the same situation as bulge (think aa:mfa and other things) including with the same players in some situations and he is reacting exactly the way i have reacted as town
i am not considering the arguments against bulge because i trust my read on and synchronization with bulge enough to put that first
In post 1978, 22 wrote:again this keeps feeling like [redacted] because it's just digging the tunnel deeper into the realm of confbiasing and "well we have the wagon already, might as well use everything to support what i've already said and not consider any other possible scenarios because good job guys this lynch islocked in"
In post 2004, 22 wrote:
In post 1992, 22 wrote:team 9 hydra tunnels on bulge
i like bulge's responses to tunneling
i do not like hydra's attitude toward bulge
i decide to not want to interact with hydra much yet
you are part of hydra
i do not want to interact with you much yet
talk to majiffy
peace out
In post 2005, Sakura Hana wrote:ITT: Marquiffy is a jerk.
In post 2013, davesaz wrote:Team 9's case started off being about inactivity, and then turned nasty when Bulge made a mistake, retracted it, and then screwed up an explanation of the retraction. I don't think it's my place to repair the issue, but I'm not convinced at all by Team 9's argument. Lack of eloquence doesn't necessarily equal scumminess.
In post 2016, davesaz wrote:But my point is that he was not here. You're saying he was doing nothing during a time when he wasn't even here.
In post 1560, Team 9 wrote:
Well this whole thing is wrong here bc as I said I don't have them as scum because they're lurking but rather it is coincidental that my "non-townreads" happen to be lurkers bc I have a varying degrees of town on everyone else, hence my emphasis on "PoE".
davesaz wrote:But my point is that he was not here. You're saying he was doing nothing during a time when he wasn't even here.
In post 2102, Bins wrote:The PoE should have been addressed anyways. Because the townreads were not explained which led to the PoE. They needed to be.
In post 2097, Bins wrote:It frustrates you?! It frustrates me! It drives me insane.
IF YOU THINK OUR RELATIONSHIP HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT YOU'VE FINALLY LOST IT.
In post 2121, The Bulge wrote:1. Team 9, is your read on me still PoE? If not, can you present a short point-form list similar to mine against you?
In post 2125, The Bulge wrote:Bins defending me because our relationship seems to make sense. But have you seen her when I've been scum? Bins will either hard-defend me or tunnel me hard. And she isalwaysright. People always point out that she's defending me, but seriously, I'm terrified of being scum in a game with Bins. Trust me when I say she will not hesitate for one second to push for my lynch.
In post 2134, Team 9 wrote:(Nor I cared to read him)
In post 2138, notscience wrote:Also Bins there are some people who are actually good at PoE if they get the chance
In post 2187, notscience wrote:Bert will get apathetic if he's scum.
In post 2188, Team 9 wrote:oh also GIF said Varsoon is our default backup scumread in case we fucked one of our townreads.
In post 2206, ika wrote:In post 2205, Varsoon wrote:Wait what?
im calling out the scum team right now.
22 scum
team 9 scum
tn(5421) prob last scum
i refuse to vote bins
In post 2189, Team 9 wrote:oh just to clarify, the line between POE reads and actual scumreads is in between Bulge and 22
at this point we have a scumread on Bulge, and then townreads of varying degrees on everyone besides the other 4, leaving them as POE. although I kind of like Thesp's posting recently
In post 2236, ika wrote:hey team9 question, do you mind a cop checking you?
In post 2237, Bins wrote:Can you explain your townread on Flubber?
In post 85, Flubbernugget wrote:Three page rvs? Someone either needs to get naked, or fuck shit up via wagon.
VOTE: notscience
In post 407, Flubbernugget wrote:In post 393, Team 9 wrote:In post 392, Flubbernugget wrote:390 has my eye on Team 9 now.
why?
-Rumia
I have no reads from the threat to replace out. Yours are weak and you've even admitted it. But you still want to give tn room. Meanwhile tn continues on this whole fluff rant while still trying to prove everything is fluff instead of pushing for reads. And the room you're giving him is just making him defensive. Maybe you're onto something, but if you're not, I'm scum reading your defense.
In post 2240, The Bulge wrote:You're asking for Team 9's reads on anyone else in this game but me and expecting an answer?
In post 2248, Bins wrote:Flubber, what's your read on the Bulge and view of the Team 9/Bulge interaction? I don't remember you specifically stating it.
That's another reason I felt... off about him. Will let him answer the question first before I get into it, but I liked your points... I feel like I had similar. But do you have anything more... recent that contributes to your read of him?
In post 855, Flubbernugget wrote:In post 850, The Bulge wrote:<
In post 837, tn5421 wrote:In post 834, Bins wrote:In post 832, tn5421 wrote:In post 823, Titus wrote:Tn. Gun to your head. Who is the scum team if Sakura is town?
Bulge probably scum.Flubber maybe scum. You maybe scum.
why the fk
Considering this game so far, laying low is the best plan for scum while everyone else tears each other apart.
I'm V/LA.
How V/LA are you if you managed to catch that from this gargantuan thread?
Other than that, tn, can you explain your reads on me? Your read on bulge shows you're tunneling pretty bad, but I honestly don't know whether to see it as a scum tunnel or town tunnel.
In post 2269, Bins wrote:Maybe Flubber's just snarky. Ever played with him?
In post 2266, The Bulge wrote:In post 2263, Team 9 wrote:In post 2248, Bins wrote:Flubber, what's your read on the Bulge and view of the Team 9/Bulge interaction? I don't remember you specifically stating it.
That's another reason I felt... off about him. Will let him answer the question first before I get into it, but I liked your points... I feel like I had similar. But do you have anything more... recent that contributes to your read of him?
Why yes.
But I bet you won't like it when I present it.
...he says as he flounders in his hydra QT to prepare meaningful content about somebody who is not named "The Bulge"
In post 2274, The Bulge wrote:notscience actually replaced Sakura and ika replaced ns
In post 2398, pieguyn wrote:In post 2239, Bins wrote:Yes, that's usually why you townread someone. Why do you like his posts?
in addition to all of GIF's points (which I agree with):
In post 616, Flubbernugget wrote:"Maybe you're onto something, but if you're not, I'm scum reading your defense."
Think of it this way. The players in this hydra probably have a lot more experience with mafia than I do, and that in part makes me want to trust what I'm interpreting to be a gut read. However, my trust is partly an appeal to authority, and weak as a result. So I don't want to get to attached to GIF.
And I'm not sure how not immediately commenting on tn's fluff bullcrap when there's plenty of people already doing that for the town is an issue. Anything I picked out would have just been a circle jerk with you and Sakura.
And I can only vote for one scum read at a time, geez.
I liked this response to my questioning for a few reasons:
1. his entire read progression during this whole thing read as newb-town who wasn't sure what to do. he's naturally inclined to trust who he perceives as experienced - but then they do something he doesn't understand at all and now he has to question if they're just scum or if it's just him not understanding our point.
2. he's 100% accurate that there was way too much focus on fluff. as GIF said, his attitude where he tries to cut through all the fluff read as town.
3. the last line is correct. the only reason I even called him out for that in the first place was I kept forgetting what his reads were and I thought he was voting on a wagon he didn't think was scum - I usually never call ppl out for where their vote is bc generally ppl's votes do not need to necessarily match whoever they're questioning. I strongly believe in this principle and he was 100% right to correct me on it.
I like his push on you a lot even though I disagree with it. I haven't read too much into it, but what I do remember read as genuine. there's nothing cautious about it, which I'd find impressive if he was scum bc driving my pushes through is smth I still have a lot of trouble faking, and I haven't noticed anything that indicates he doesn't believe any of the angles he's pushing.
In post 1663, Flubbernugget wrote:Bins you also come off as more genuine than the people you're accusing of doing the same thing as you. Startfromtheheart for example, just comes off as a really bad troll.
In post 1672, Flubbernugget wrote:In post 1665, Bins wrote:In post 1663, Flubbernugget wrote:Bins you also come off as more genuine than the people you're accusing of doing the same thing as you. Startfromtheheart for example, just comes off as a really bad troll.
Being... geniune... is... bad?
Genuinely scum? Yes.
I actually quite liked this angle. it's a really weird angle to even push, but I can still see what his thought process was (he believes you lack content for real, scum-motivated reasons, as opposed to Bert who trolls every game regardless of what his alignment is) and I buy that he believes it. this one is heavily gut-based, YMMV
I especially agree with GIF's point about how he's keeping his activity up and still able to follow all the major events of the game. despite not necessarily having a lot of posts, he's been here for most of the things that have happened, given his opinions, and commented on them in a way that makes me think he's legitimately trying to game solve - I can provide examples of everything I liked if you want, but just for a recent example, see his response to 22 where he asks for their input before providing his.
-Rumia
In post 2390, 22 wrote:So I have some reads that I am feeling really damn good about.
Anyone want to tell me where "Elaboration 101" is held? Apparently they didn't put it on my schedule last year.
In post 2323, ika wrote:if the were town they would have no fear of a cop checking them